How do you do it? How do you escape the botnet? Is it even

Do everything stallman does.

>>57227811
4chan is a botnet so... try to escape , no?

You don't. Data aggregation has gotten so good that you can still be profiled through the people that contact you. Accept your share of the venom or go 110% hermit.

>>57227811

What do you have to hide?

>>57227866
All his pizza from the dark internet

you can't escape it

if it's google you're scared of, even if you can avoid youtube, google.com, gmail etc

google analytics is used by every website with decent traffic. it's all encompassing, and they know who you are either way

i remember going to my normie friends house and using his laptop, and I did my rotation of webstites, and i swear within a half hour they knew it was me. his chrome was autocompleting shit I hadn't typed and I know he hadn't typed (he was strictly a porn and youtube guy). freaked me right out

i have just accepted it. it eats me alive because if they know who I am they know all the fucked up things I've googled, and I went through puberty in the 90's and was googling shit like horse porn before I had any concept that they might be collecting info or profiling me

ughhh

If 9 (or even 5) out of 10 people are part of a system, big data algorithm weeds you out and employs all parameters designed to specifically target "outsiders" thus profiling you without you even knowing.

Literally go off the grid entirely in one the top 10 least densely populated states and make all your money under the table to pay for everything in cash.

You'll basically not exist then, but it's intentionally made difficult to not be part of the system.

>>57227852
>through the people that contact you
such as?

>>57227925
>horse porn

Brony?

if you mean not using chrome just migrate to fire fox and use yahoo

It's impossible to completely avoid it while being practical, but you absolutely can minimise the (useful) data they have on you.

I don't get all of these paranoid ass cucks. Who gives a shit if they botnet. Unless you do some real illegal shit like dealing drugs, selling weapons amass or have a pizza warehouse they really don't care about your sad pathetic existence. The only point in time they give a slightest f of a fuck about you is when they are trying to sell you something and that's it.... (Granted, your government is pretty messed up and as a eurofag I have a harder time relating but I still thing there is no need for so much paranoia)

>>57228084
>I have nothing to hide!
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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>>57228084
>The only point in time they give a slightest f of a fuck about you is when they are trying to sell you something and that's it

HEY

GUESS WHAT'S HAPPENING 24 FUCKING 7 AND 3 6 CUNTING 5

>all these "hurr nothing to hide" fags

Yeah I sure don't mind all the rape and foot fetish porn I search up being logged on an unsecure server somewhere.

I sure don't mind there bring God knows how many backdoors into my accounts and devices.

And I certainly don't mind the possibility that the things I do on the internet now that aren't illegal may very well be illegal one day, in some perhaps not-so far off dystopian cyberpunk future.

It's not about having nothing illegal to hide at the present, and if that's all you have to say you're part of the problem.

>>57227925
there is literally nothing wrong with horse porn

>>57227998
duckduckgo:
shadow profile

>>57228084
Marko, stop spewing bullcrap.

>>57228103
Have police record anyway. So not really...

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>>57227925
>i swear within a half hour they knew it was me. his chrome
I stopped reading right there. Lurk more.

neo-/g/, everyone

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>>57227811
1. Use a free GNU/Linux distribution or Qubes OS. Do not use Windows nor Mac OS nor the available BSDs nor a commercial Unix.
2. Use Libreboot and GRUB on your laptop (or a pre-2006/9 Intel CPU or pre-2013 AMD CPU after sufficient research on their capabilities for the company's remote control of the unit, or a MIPS-based computer like the Lemote Yeelong or an open-source architecture like RISC-V)
3. Use virtual machines and anoymization software for your online computing. If you use an airtight virtual machine lacking any connection whatsoever to the host OS, Tor and VPNs become less necessary.
4. Use a FF-based, non-corporate browser with Telemetry disabled and the appropriate addons installed and the appropriate about:config settings set unless you possess extremely intimate knowledge of both networking and security and a sufficiently complicated browser like Qutebrowser or ungoogled-Chromium (in order to customize it just as deeply as FF-based browsers allow).
5. Do not own a smartphone. Period. Android vs. iOS is irrelevant.
6. Minimize and avoid your use of services and products that retain your personal information/data, especially if these are intended to be sold, unless you can guarantee that you can use these with 100% no risk to revealing your identity.
7. Invest in crypto-currency and anonymous banking/financial transactions
8. Don't use sites that use Google's captcha system

>>57228342
>5. Do not own a smartphone. Period. Android vs. iOS is irrelevant.
You don't think that a fully FOSS Android OS with no unnecessary software can ever potentially provide anonymity?

>>57228342
Addenda:

2. You may boot Tails OS from a flash drive for use of your own or anyone else's computer without leaving a trace if you cannot go balls deep into freedom
3. Your virtual machine OS should be Whonix.

>>57228370
Software is just one issue. The tracking occurs at the hardware level.

>>57228210

i'm a newfag because my friend uses chrome?

or I'm a newfag because I noticed his chrome autocomplete "netphoria.org" for me when there is no way my friend, who hates Smashing pumpkins, ever went to that fansite after I checked all the other completely non smashing pumpkins related forums I check almost everyday?

don't think "net" would autocomplete to netphoria.org if they didn't know who I was

>>57228399
>Software is just one issue. The tracking occurs at the hardware level.
Your comment explicitly says "smartphone", but I'd argue that this would occur regardless of whether it's a smartphone or dumbphone.

And personally, geotracking doesn't greatly concern me. I think it has minimal value by itself.

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>>57228465
did you or did you not use Google Chrome when browsing the web on his computer? if not, what browser did you use? what search engine did you use? what email provider and social media accounts did you connect to?

The botnet is companies collecting data about you and building a profile.
So the key isn't really to stop using everything that might track you, it's to avoid exposure in a way that minimizes the potential for profiling.
In short, don't let them connect the dots. Use multiple profiles in unexpected ways and if you want something off the record do it outside the botnet.
Sure technically you could be found out if someone started looking for your other accounts by hand analyzing patterns, but if you do it right even that is impossible.
It mostly algorithms doing the work so it really isn't an issue.

>>57228471
Tracking of all sorts is a feature of the botnet. If you are not concerned about geotracking then it's in question why you are concerned with the botnet at all.

First of all, I thought it was common knowledge since 2013 that smartphone use is anathema to privacy (and to a lesser extent, security). I just now did some quick searches in StartPage^tm to confirm that it has issues, and that the "dumbphone" has far fewer known issues. You could have done the same.

Now, geotracking is just one of a few significant issues independent of the phone's software. Smartphones are GPS capable, while non-smartphones typically have limited GPS. This thus limits their ability to be tracked. Pay-as-you-go phone plans are typically unavailable to smartphones, while you can strive toward anonymity in your use of your non-smartphone. You can pay for minutes with a pre-paid credit card. If you aren't going the burner route, then I will let it suffice to say that carrying your non-smartphone around with you exposes you to a let less privacy risk at the hardware level (as well as at the software level) than a smartphone.

http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/your-cellphone-is-a-tracking-d.html (note that only smartphones are being talked about)
https://spybusters.blogspot.com/2013/08/spybusters-tip-723-be-smart-use-dumb.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34444233 (talks about software level issues, but these might still be present with free software ROMS and OSes; make sure to pick up a copy of CommonSense^tm 2016)

Dumb phones connect to cell phone towers but not satellites. Smartphones do both.

>>57228560
>On technology image boards like /g/ and /tech/, a botnet is anything that might use you and your information for advertising, data mining or surveillance.
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Botnet

>>57228342
>5. Do not own a smartphone. Period. Android vs. iOS is irrelevant.
Ass an extra to this, if you absolutely need one, you can buy one of those cover things that interfere with the signals so it can actually be "off the grid".

>>57228494

yeah i was using chrome on his computer.

I have used google since yahoo was powered by google in the 90's. I'm old, hence the smashing pumpkins forum. No social media, i don't even have a facebook I was 26 when it came out and it was only for college kids.

It is highly likely I used google or youtube on his computer, but I def didn't check email I literally just fucked around on the internet the way I usually do.

I visit and post on lots of forums, twoplustwo a poker forum, mylespaul a guitar forum, and 5 or 6 others

when I went to the url bar and typed 'ne' it autocompleted 'netphoria.org' and I am 100 percent certain they knew it was me.

I'm not too paranoid about it, it's well known that they do this I was just giving an example. Not trying to stir the shit here or troll

Hide in plain sight, be a normie on anything that uses your home landline isp and contract cellphone in your name. Do everything else on burner phones/4g hotspots with data plans you pay for using cards bought with cash.

>>57228657
>Smartphones are GPS capable
GPS is a passive technology. It does not transmit anything, only receives. Unless your GPS hardware module is transmitting its location, it would be up to the software to relay that information.

>Pay-as-you-go phone plans are typically unavailable to smartphones
So they're still somewhat available? This doesn't contribute to your argument that all smartphones are always insecure.

>it was common knowledge since 2013
If all you have is "common knowledge", then fuck off.

>but not satellites. Smartphones do both
Nigga you think your consumer smartphone is able to broadcast data to satellites?

>>57227811
You have to build two lives.

Do everything a normalfag would do but whenever you want to do something in private then take the steps towards privacy. It's the only option. You can't have privacy in your normal life. The government system has essentially made avoiding doxing impossible.

A mixture of credit card transactions, public transport card payments, cameras, phone signals, gps signals from your phone, browsing habits, connection to internet and wifi. These things can all work together to track where you are throughout the day.

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>>57228717
neo-/g/ is not necessarily newfaggotry but the nonchalant attitude toward being the botnet's bitch that is steadily growing to characterize the board, which from my understanding is completely opposite to its old ideals. Being ignorant of the botnet is one thing. Being apathetic toward it is another.

You seem to know what you are doing, and are therefore worthy of contempt. But I was highlighting specifically the contradiction between your seeming confusion with being tracked and exactly what you did to allow tracking to happen.

Otherwise, ditch Google and use StartPage.com (which uses Google's search engine but anonymizes it) or Searx; ditch Google and use Protonmail or some other free privacy focused email provider, or figure something else out. And definitely stop using Google Chrome and googled-Chromium to browse the web. Even vanilla Firefox is better for privacy.

>>57228794
I understand your pushing me on this and don't knock it. But I'm sufficiently convinced that owning a smartphone is dumb if you want to escape the botnet and do not feel the need at this moment to do more research on the details than I already have. You remain unconvinced with what I've shared, yet I have nothing more for you. If others feel the same, they are free to disregard the instruction at their own peril.

>>57228084
>The only point in time they give a slightest f of a fuck about you is when they are trying to sell you something and that's it

No you nigger, they also use it to "improve" their services, wgich apparently means keeping people in their little bubbles. I'm so fucking tored of trying to search for US stuff and getting shit from my country holy fuck, LET ME CHOOSE GOOGLE
GATHER ALL THE DATA YOU WANT BUT STOP INTERFERING IN MY SEARCHES AND MAKING OBSCURE SHIT EVEN HARDER TO FIND

>>57228794
>This device made exclusively for communication, both via internet and regular telephony, is surely incapable of communicating anything if I don't see it doing it
The fuck are you saying.
Even if your phone was a dumb brick, if you are close to any 3 cells your position can be easily triangulated by your network provider.

>>57229160
>The fuck are you saying.
I'm saying that GPS is a one way communication protocol, you fucking retard. This isn't my opinion, it's fact.

>>57228657

> Now, geotracking is just one of a few significant issues independent of the phone's software. Smartphones are GPS capable, while non-smartphones typically have limited GPS. This thus limits their ability to be tracked.

if you're walking around with the phone on, you are being tracked by the cellular network. you turn on the phone and make a phone call, you broadcast an IMSI for all to see.

>http://boingboing.net/2012/09/04/your-cellphone-is-a-tracking-d.html (note that only smartphones are being talked about)
he's talking about both here. an IMSI isn't a smartphone-only identifier. what appelbaum is talking about here is the ability to install software that gives the impression that the smartphone is off, without actually being off. the workaround is to remove the battery, which isn't possible on some smartphones.

the real issue is how you guarantee that your dumbphone can't have software sideloaded on it.

>>57227811
It's fucking easy retard.
You disconnect from the internet.

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>>57231841
>the botnet doesn't exist outside of the internet

>>57228342
This is false. Nsa helped with ubuntu and debian has backdoors

>>57227820
Eat your toenails and stop washing?

>>57233640
How are you not already doing that?

>>57233663
I obviously hate muh freedoms.

>>57227811
Disconnect from the internet.

>>57233174
>Use a /free/ GNU/Linux distro
Lern 2 reed

>>57231938
In da woods.

>>57227939
Yeah but stuff like that is loud and noisy. You can easily manipulate the appearance of the data that way and keep yourself moderately safe in any regard you may choose. Though with time, that regard may become an appeal and you may be sought after in the regard come time to turn.

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Anymore ideas?

>>57238310
kill yourself, botnets don't care about the dead.

>>57229250
confirming correct

stallman probably has physical surveillance since he's so untraceable otherwise

>>57228342
"GNU/Linux" is less secure than the BSDs.

Bemoaning your inability to go off-grid completely while still trying to retain all of benefits of investing in the system is childish. The system of backdoors, spying, and profiling at this point are so amorphous and amoral that they are essentially the new nature. Trying to make yourself immune is like trying to swim without getting wet, or trying to turn yourself into a photosynthetic creature like some of those Hollywood cults.

This is your environment, you don't exist in the 70s anymore where you could really be a rogue, code-crunching god. The same way you no longer exist in an oxygen-absent atmosphere. It is impossible to free yourself of this physical reality and trying to is just...nuts. Period. Accomplishing anything that could be considered a victory would be pointless in the grand scheme of things anymore. Yay, you created a work around, now you can exist without gluten or capchas or some shit. Congratulations.

>>57238310
I love how Goebbels' smile fades

>>57227811

>Not be poor fag
>Not be a gamer fag
>Both those require an income FYI
>Buy a Mac
>Escape Botnet

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>>57227925
>tfw you live with 4 roommates, so they don't know who is searching what

>>57227811
It's simple: don't use the internet or any internet related service. Stick to analog and paper based technologies. Move out innawoods. Stay off the grid. Fake your death. Burn off your fingerprints.

>>57228370
firmware always has binary blobs,radio system is propitiatory