Any open source CPUs they can be used for regular browsing and

Stallman, I thought you didn't like this place's "inane comments".

>>57199378
RISC-V has leenux

>>57199378
>open source CPUs

POWER

>>57199390
Richard Stallman denounces the term "open source", everyone know that, dummy

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>you will never be an open source cpu

>you will never transmit data
>you will never be a transistor

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>>57199378
MIPS is an option and will grow to be a widespread and viable one in the near future. Both China and Russia are weary of x86 architecture due to Intel and AMD hardware level spyware that enables US intelligence agencies access to any such system in the world. They are investing in alternative architectures they can trust, one of which and perhaps the only one being MIPS, famous for being used in the Lemote Yeelong. Those chinks no longer sell computers anymore it seems but rather chips and boards I think. But since most people aren't smart enough to build their own computer, it's still out of reach. You could try, but you also have to get past the language barrier, as everything might be in Chinese--the website is.

>>57199400
It's too expensive and not suited to desktop computing.

>>57201372
*wary

>>57199378
Isn't SPARC open-source?

Your best bet are old Intel CPUs from the Core2Duo generation.
RISC-V is an open ISA, but I don't know of any boards having them.
I don't know about POWER stuff from IBM.

>>57201385
Yeah but it's not a desktop architecture

>>57201372
I was thinking of SPARC when I said RISC-V was too expensive. I'll look into it. RISC-V is still not for desktops. SPARC is for mega computers and RISC-V for small devices and such.

>>57201372
It would be amazing if china had their own linux distro on MIPS.
Even if it's a shitty spy distro it could break window's monopoly, companies would be forced to make their software available on linux.

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>>57201429
this is correct. they are modern enough for fast and easy computing and you can flash the BIOS for some of them to remove spyware.

>>57201466
Lemote Yeelong used gNewSense and Gentoo has official support for MIPS. You can almost count on Chinese government or commercial made distros being botnet. Luckily, you won't need to use them, as Western distros are not botnet and will merely need to begin providing official support for the architecture

I was reading Wikipedia on it though and apparently the creators charge exorbitant royalties for its use. Idk about that. Idk if it's proprietary or not either.

>>57199378
What you're referring to as CPU, is in fact, GNU/CPU, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus CPU. CPU is not an operating system unto itself, but ...

>>57201513
>CPU is not a computer unto itself
ftfy

>>57199378
I want to believe in POWER.

x86 has to DIE!

>>57201466
Glorious BSD supports MIPS

All those chink MIPS you folks are talking about are ok and open source. But what about AMD chipsets and graphics they come bundled with?

>>57201570

Zen instruction set chips

>>57201586
I did just a little bit of looking right now. I had in mind the Loongson processors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson

Loongson 3B, for example, used AMD780E, released around 2008. AMD didn't implement spyware at the current level till 2013 according to Libreboot. Also, I don't know if this makes a difference, but it's the graphics processor, not the computer processor, so spyware would not be present anyway.

IDK though.

>>57201646
Zen is x86.

POWER8

>>57202460
...but I don't have $10k

>>57202642
You only need ~$4k
https://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/prerelease.php

>>57202649
Can Gentoo be built for/on this architecture?

>>57202710
Yes

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>>57202649
Fuck, it's going slow.
>>57202710
Of course, Gentoo has support for shit like PA-RISC.

>>57202726
I'm sort of glad it is, I was going to save up for this but I need a laptop more so I get more time to save up for both

beagleboard has a soc with open firmware / microcode
allwinner H3 and A20 have open firmware / microcode
basically any 32 bit ARM soc besides assberry pi broadcom,mediatek, and qualcomm / samsung

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>>57202744
>mediakek

>>57202735
>I'm sort of glad it is
Why? It has to be funded by way of this campaign first before there can be cheaper batches.

>>57202833
I was planning on getting the first batch

>>57202842
I really meant that I'm worried that the Crowdsupply campaign would fail.

http://parallel.princeton.edu/piton/

>>57202789
>besides mediatek
learn to read

>>57202924
>10000 cores meme

>>57202959
bitch nigga you can have one core if you like

>>57202943
and you learn to type

>>57203010
teach me how to type for retards and I will

>>57203020
easy - do not omit punctuation where it matters
>basically any 32 bit ARM soc besides assberry pi: broadcom,mediatek, and qualcomm / samsung
>basically any 32 bit ARM soc besides assberry pi, broadcom,mediatek, and qualcomm / samsung

>>57203103
i actually meant the former, assberry pi has locked firmware, at least you tried tho. don't let this make you lose courage, go and try to argue more

>>57203143
latter* oops, you still fail my man

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>>57203143
>>57203154

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The OrangePis (Allwinner SoC) was pretty FOSS-friendly, wasn't it?

>>57201646
>amdrones are this retarded

>there are people here RIGHT NOW who don't electroplate their own semiconductors

enjoy your botnet

>>57203240
>was
?

Intel open sourced its drivers if that counts.

>>57203581
*is... They all used the A20 AFAIK

>>57201385
Only certain designs.

>>57201570
POWER is not even open source

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>>57203240
I thought the ARM cortex was a closed hardware design? I'm just worried about the remote / phone home abilities of the Intel/AMD...

Looks like the only choice is to buy an old CPUS. All the real open source CPUs/architectures seem to still be in the very expensive (for your ordinary programmer) development phase.

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>>57202789

>>57204732
That anon was talking about the software that runs on the SoC. Most SoCs are locked down and require binary blobls.

>>57199378
Daily reminder that PCIe and DDR pins are plated with gold.

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>>57203316
>>57201740
>neo-/g/ not understanding how processors work
there's a chip which interprets x86 instructions and that chip is open and turing complete

>>57204732
The hardware design of the chip is closed, but as >>57204915 mentioned, it's not locked down by binary blobs. You don't have the design, so you can't manufacture more of them, but when you buy one, it's definitely "yours" since you can run 100% free software without a binary that does "something" which only the manufacturer knows...

>>57199378
email isn't open source

>>57206009
POP3, IMAP and SMTP are all open source, and that's pretty much everything email is.

>>57206009
You can make your own email server, it's actually not incredibly difficult and there are tons of solutions you could use for it. Third party email providers like gmail, yahoo etc. aren't open source and store your data on their servers which (if they wanted to), could read easily. There's literally nothing stopping them from opening your emails if they wanted to, that's the risk you always run when you use third party email. That's why if you want privacy it's best to run your own email server.

>>57204732
isn't the Longsoon the only desktop/laptop ready option for modern open source hardware at this point, or is there some iteration of ARM that complies
>>57203240
the BBB was also pretty FOSS compatible to the point where Libreboot recommended it

>>57201429
>>57201472
AMD only introduced their PSP remote control thing in 2012

>>57201570
You dumbshits only "believe in POWER" because it has /g/'s beloved meme company logo on it.

It couldn't "kill" x86 for the last 25 years even when it easily destroyed it, shipped in a wide range of desktop (and some laptop) systems and even ran Windows. And it won't "kill" it in the next 45 because it's made for big database boxes and supercomputers, not for bikeshedding CS undergrads to play pretend professional.

>>57202710
>>57202726
Obligatory reminder that "supported" doesn't mean "usable", but on the TALOS boards it will undoubtedly run just fine, that's what they're built for.

>>57207327
It shouldn't definitively be killed by POWER, but I want there to be a bunch of usable alternative architectures like back in the 90s.

>>57207400
*It doesn't have to be

>>57207327
This just shows x86 is never going away

we will literally be emulating it using quantum computers in the future

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>>57207400
I used to see things the same way, but honestly, from my experiences collecting and using that exotic gear, it's definitely exciting, but ultimately trivial unless you're really into low-level development, all it does is introduce more fragmentation and not really much benefit in return, those high-end platforms of the '90s may have produced some impressive benchmark scores and demos but they were still ghastly for a typical desktop use case thanks to poor software availability and integer performance, and really the only Wintel-rivalling options you had for a good general purpose computing platform were Apple and Sun, which were both expensive and lackluster unless you went all out anyway.

Basically, just don't be bitter about it. I think there's a lot more ways OEMs can liven up the computing market again than pulling out the rug from under us with an architecture swap. That shit's just not going to happen.

I guess I wouldn't mind seeing a little more love for MIPS as a teaching/development platform again though.

>>57207853
It might still, when something comes that actually brings something to the table. POWER and its ilk didn't kill x86 in the '90s because, well, it /didn't/ bring anything to the table, it was a poor value for home users, hard to find software for, it was slower for most things you'd use a desktop for anyway even if you could source that software, and most importantly, they simply didn't target the same market. They didn't build their systems with the intention of putting one in every home, they built them for specific uses in medium and large businesses, universities, whatever.

>>57208136
>Basically, just don't be bitter about it. I think there's a lot more ways OEMs can liven up the computing market again than pulling out the rug from under us with an architecture swap. That shit's just not going to happen.
Well, the problem here is that there's only two manufacturers of x86, and one of them is circling the drain. Both of them has added hardware backdoors.

>>57208182
A proliferation of architectures in the mainstream isn't going to fix that, though, alphabet soups can just backdoor those too, or just use one of the many other tools they have at their disposal to snoop on you, there's nothing you can really do to prevent that.

Besides, are there even any leaks corroborating this theory from Snowden or otherwise? Because I've never seen a single document proving this usage of the ME other than the Libreboot team's "because they might they can!" writeup on it that gets circulated around here whenever it's mentioned, and given the fact that the NSA can't even backdoor Cisco products as evidenced by the recent tool leaks, I've become kind of doubtful regarding its usefulness in this kind of scenario.

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>>57208845
What's stopping Intel from releasing an update with MS to enable those backdoor features? During boot time with Windows and other supported modern OSs, it can load extra microcode (look it up, Intel uses it to patch bugs). And shit is encrypted so we can't even see what's going on.

Conspiracy theory time: Maybe all the monitoring features are dormant and they can signal activation via an update or a network command or custom microcode.

This is why I can't trust anything but Libre boot... :(

>>57209055
A little far fetched if you ask me, but certainly possible. But still, I can't really see a proliferation of alternate platforms bringing an end to this, and I don't find it worth losing sleep over. Some of history's most oppressive regimes and pervasive surveillance states got on just fine without the internet, after all.

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>>57209136
You are right. I'm gonna look into the Orange Pi. Thanks everyone.

>>57201372
>Asks for thing
>Complains about answer to thing

>>57209239
How are you liking Mothership

>>57201472
>and you can flash the BIOS for some of them to remove spyware
Funny how many people just take any conspiracy theory for granted.

>>57199378
Power....

>>57199404
>>57201372
Power8 ftw. But freedom as in free will set you back 7 g's
https://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/prerelease.php

>tfw can't find a Yeeloong anywhere
I'd prefer their mini ITX board but I really want that netbook too

>>57199378
i think some rockchip socs are fully open-source, can't be sure though. i don't really care about low-level hardware freedom.