>Macbooks are overpriced >Ok, show me a similarly priced

>>57177390
Take a Windows Surface....

>>57177390
OP may be a cocksucking faggot, but he does have a point. You'll be hard pressed to find something with the same spec at the same price.

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>>57177390
>trackpad impossible to click near upper edge
>extremely loose near bottom edge
>overall flimsy diving board piece of shit
>even applel themselves has admitted it's utter shit now and has trashed the design to go back to copying 90's era laptops with solid non-click touchpads
>still has no real buttons
>relies on pressure sensitive gimmick bullshit
>if you press too lightly or too hard it does something completely different than what you intended
>ultra shit tier zero travel chiclet keyboard
>OSX is a steaming pile of shit with horrendous battery management
>applel's solution is to cram in a massive heavy 95WHr battery to make up for it
>even XXXTREME GAMER cancer like razer blade with 4X the CPU/GPU power and 70WHr battery matches it in battery life in same tasks
>gets BTFO by 55WHr Yoga 2 in battery life in same tasks
>the battery takes up the space where a cooling system would've been in a laptop not designed by the world's thinnest and lightest gay hipsters
>overheats at the slightest task because abysmal crippled cooling system
>throttles to 800mhz because of chronic overheating problems
>retina meme supposedly for "pros" have have <70% aRGB
>gloss mirror coating makes it impossible to use anywhere outside or with overhead lighting
>blurry as shit retina meme scaling
>shitbook air is even worse with glossy 1366x768 TN eye cancer
>systemic battery explosion problems for over a decade from overheating

>macshit is good
Can we finally put an end to this meme?

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>>57177572
>even applel themselves has admitted it's utter shit now and has trashed the design to go back to copying 90's era laptops with solid non-click touchpads

>solid non-click touchpads

Is this true?

>>57177693
Yes

>>57177390
That's true OP but you can't put a good graphics card on a Mac, which is stupid because it cuts out a section of the market for no reason.

>>57177390
Are you seriously just going to alternate between posting this every day for six months and then not posting it at all for the next six months? Why do you do this?

>>57177390
Dell xps? Or pretty much any high end laptop of major manufaturers.

>>57177572
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>>57177572
>Yoga 2
>Lenovo
>company that intentionally installed malware on consumer products
No thanks.

>>57177390
>the best trackpads in existence
That is true.

>>57178014
>t. Rajeesh

>>57177390
>Best build quality
Get out

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>trying to finish my daily report on my brunch break
>Nu-male walks up to me chatting me up about my laptop
>what does HK mean?
>it's a gun manufacturer
>oh, I don't believe in...
>turns on laptop
>he sees picture
>walks off
I wonder what could have drove him away...

>>57177505
>thicc
>actually more expensive if you don't get the blue plastic keyboard
>fingerprints on screen
>stupid hinge design


the only good alternative to a macbook are the xiaomi notebook or asus zenbooks

>>57177390
>Macbooks are overpriced
>Ok, show me a similarly priced laptop with the same specs or better. Reminder that $1300 rMBPs are light, have a 2560x1600 retina display, the best trackpads in existence, 8GB RAM, outstanding battery life, NVMe SSDs, and the best build quality and support in the business
>...

>Can we finally put an end to this meme?

Can we finally put an end to this meme?

>>57178052
kek

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>>57177390
Anyone got an Idea when I can buy one of these in Europe? Really good side notebook for a good price.

>>57177572
If you would've taken 2 seconds to go into the system preferences menu you could've configured your trackpad to work like you wanted it to and refute over half your meme arrows.
The other half can be refuted by my 8 year old mbp that is is faster than over half my unis new laptops.
I'll give you the shit batteries though.
Anything else?

>>57177505
>Windows
Discarded.

>>57178248
probably never. just import via gearbest or whatever chink site has the cheapest price. even if they release them in europe, they will likely be more expensive here.

>>57178270
>I'll discard all hardware running an OS other than the one my hardware is running. You know, the one which is literally illegal to run on anything but my hardware.

>>57177868
The XPS gets suggested on literally every one of these threads and the OP always pretends not to see it.
The XPS 15 in particular wrecks the macbook pro.

Razer Blade possibly Stealth

>>57177572
you clearly never used a pro...
nice try tho

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>>57177390
I think the laptop you're asking for is the Thinkpad X1 Carbon. The best part about it is that Lenovo won't sue you for making repair videos about it.

>>57177390
oh shit he's back

>>57177572
MFW I am buying a Yoga right now.

>>57178311
>I'll buy an overpriced MS hardware and handicap it with some other software that is of an even poorer quality than the shit that it came with

Wow it used to take a while before OP was BTFO on these threads, now it takes an hour. Thanks Dell!

>>57178482
Explain why the OS is of worse quality.

>>57177390
New Razer blade, and that's a meme option

>>57178514
>>57178482
Already ran away again?

>>57178514
>Explain why the OS is of worse quality.
Telemetry spam, worst UI, miserable lack of CL tools for developers, not unix-like, expensive, gets worse by the year, platform lock-in...

Literally nobody who doesn't explicitly need the platform because of a proprietary solution on said platform likes it.

>>57178723
Oh by "some other software that is of an even poorer quality than the shit that it came with" I thought you meant installing GNU/Linux. Because you know you can do that, right?

>>57178740
>linux on a surface
>not abominable shit
Pick one.

>>57178904
Hm you're right, it's not very good.
Thankfully it runs perfectly on my XPS 13.

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>>57177572
Oh shit nigga just got OWNED

>>57178921
Protip: It doesn't. Dell's driver support is worse than shit. Get a thinkpad.

>>57178987
That's weird, I've been using one for about a year with no problems :/

>>57179000
Yeah it's fine so long as you don't use the trackpad or ever stress the cpu even a little bit.

>>57179072
>be me
>use trackpad to scroll down to your misinformed post
>use trackpad to tap on your post
As for the CPU, I'm not going to run a stress test to appease you. I've never had a problem, it just werks. I think it used to have some issues with Intel's pstates, which was fixed in a week of being posted with new chipset drivers.

>>57179000
>>57179072
>>57179121
Hear him dude, he's clearly not a shill. All your good experiences with linux are delusions because you are [insert name calling here], and if you don't want to be that go and do what he says. :^)

MacBooks use Core M, by virtue they shouldn't be more than $1000

>>57179147
Macbooks are about $800 on ebay in great condition.

>>57179181
I'm talking about new MacBooks

>>57179194
Macbooks are shit.

>>57179181
>on eBay
Sure, but on a thread asking for a better alternative to a laptop, you're supposed to use retail price.

The only problem that i have is the price, they can make shitty computers but why do they charge so much for them?

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Do i win a prize?

>>57179338
No, you win OP pretending not to see your post and re-posting his question a couple of days from now.
What is that by the way?

>>57179374
Thinkpad X1

I'm going to have to opt for the Surface Pro 4 with Pixel Sense Display.

>>57179399

These things are fragile as fuck and have horrendous schematics. I'd refurbish 100 Macbook Airs over an X1 anyday.

>>57179338
what machine
that thing looks incredible and i need something come January

I bought a MacBook Pro back in 2012 simply for the design. I like that its sleek and minimal and runs Debian well. Hardware wise, the new ones anger me. There is no reason they should not be sold with Skylake right now. The ordinary user who walks into an Apple store woukd not know what gen CPU they are getting and to pay the same price it was 3 years ago for a 3 year old chip is just robbery. We can talk again when the new ones are released. IF they are released.

>>57177572
t. someone who hasn't even seen a rMBP before much less touched one.

>>57179338
>HD Graphics 520 vs Iris 6100
Besides, that machine is literally just $100 less than the 13" rMBP it's a rough equivalent of and the 13" rMBP is up for replacement next week.

I'm not the OP however, I happen to know that these threads are troll threads aimed to make people realize that with proper spec-for-spec comparisons the "mac tax" vanishes almost completely.

>>57178260
I second this. My MBP can run Windows/Linux VM's faster than any non-high-end-workstation-tier laptop running a native install, and still have better battery life.

>>57178351
I know multiple people - including engineers - who have one, and they all hate those laptops. Nice try tho.

>>57179528
If the new ones are released with the Macbook's keyboard like the rumors predict, you're going to see so much butthurt. I don't even mind losing the F-row to an OLED screen, but typing on that thing is painful after a few hours.

>>57179595
Oh ok I know lots of people including whatever that own macbook pros and hate them.

>>57177572
>I have never used a MacBook in my life: the post
nice one anon, I'm sure your $200 chinkpad from 2005 is better than a MacBook.

>>57179572
I assure you your MBP can't run OS X plus a Linux VM faster than my XPS with a native Linux install, nor have better battery life while doing it.
Source: I virtualize linux distros on an MBP at work. It's good, but your claims are laughable

I don't think they are that overpriced, but I think they aren't really geared toward the customer who actually needs it for work or something demanding. it sells well because of the logo and high hardware specs, and good support for creative applications

but I don't think people who write a lot actually enjoy that garbage keyboard or the stupid trackpad and no nipple. I'm willing to bet actual professionals would rather have 50mm of thickness for a better keyboard and overall durability

people just want to show off that they can afford an apple. even when they can and really can't, a lot of girls just buy these things in installments with stupid high interest rates just so everyone at starbucks can see that they have an apple too. it's worth paying 3k for a 2k computer when you can take selfies of you writing some paper on your macbook© while enjoying a frap

>>57178052
I can already imagine the fat basement dweller that typed this up.
>I wonder what drove him away
kekkerino

>>57178052
You really are autistic aren't you? Jesus christ

>>57177390
Pro tip: You don't really need NVMe SSDs in a fucking laptop.

Pro tip: Most laptops don't have RAM soldered onto the motherboard.

>>57179716
I don't know about you, but I know plenty of people who write a hell of a lot and genuinely like the keyboard. Both people who write natural languages and those who write code. I've had nothing but MBPs since 2011 and I've written loads and loads of code with it and actually like the keyboard so much I'm using an Apple keyboard on my Linux machine as well. Those 1980s style filcos or whatever are really just a meme for gay-murr kiddies and hipsters. Those who really want an ergonomic keyboard get one of those funny looking ones where the right and left sides of the keyboard are at different angles with a split in the middle.

Durability beyond MBPs, which are actually pretty tough thanks to the metal frame, is pretty niche market so that's not really much of a selling point on a general level. The status symbol thing may have been a thing back in the day before everyone and their mother had a Macbook, but that's long gone and people generally buy the machines (in my experience) for reasons of usability and aesthetics.

>>57179802
1: If you want good performance you do

2: In 2010 maybe, not in 2016 anymore.

>>57179851
Have you ever typed on a T420, T410 or T400?
I totally believe you somehow enjoy the shit keyboard on the MBP, I just have difficulty in believing you would prefer it to a proper thinkpad keyboard.

>>57179870
>1: If you want good performance you do
so why are you using a shitty rmbp that doesn't have NVMe SSDs?

>>57179851

>The status symbol thing may have been a thing back in the day before everyone and their mother had a Macbook, but that's long gone and people generally buy the machines (in my experience) for reasons of usability and aesthetics.

>usability

I know that my decades with MS and Linux make me biased, but for the life of me macOS/OSX just never felt intuitive. Everything feels so obfuscated by the interface, and finding individual files that aren't in the most surface-level folders/libraries is a chore. The only thing useful is the spotlight search function, but even then it doesn't make up for the shitty file explorer.

As for keyboards, I usually just plug in literally anything else I have on hand. Even a cheap logitech K120 feels better to type on than a macbook keyboard.

>>57179877
Old thinkpads are different, but not actually more ergonomic. I've had thinkpads (last one was a T420) before my fist MBP and I can honestly say that from experience. You're obviously confusing preference for ergonomy here.

As I said, if you want a really ergonomic keyboard, you go for one of those funny looking things.

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These threads are some next gen level autism.

>>57179941
especially since it still does get the rmbp spec wrong

>>57179924
I can't say that I've had an experience like that. I came from Windows when I got my first mac and due to the much different logic behind many things it felt annoying, but you eventually got used to it and realized that it felt annoying not because it was worse, but because it was different. If you really want to go deep inside file trees all the time you don't use the default view in finder (which is pretty similar to the default views in all recent versions of Windows and Linux DEs).

>>57179924
>I know that my decades with MS and Linux make me biased, but for the life of me macOS/OSX just never felt intuitive. Everything feels so obfuscated by the interface, and finding individual files that aren't in the most surface-level folders/libraries is a chore.

That was my initial reaction aswell, but once you figure out the basics everything clicks. As a Linux veteran I mostly looked to the terminal rather than labor over figuring out all the GUI doodads. The results have been quite pleasant. It really is like a professional quality Linux distro with a lot of native proprietary stuff available you can't easily get on Linux without VMs or WINE futzing.

I don't feel any fanatical love for macOS or the hardware, but until there is a revived thinkpad classic I can't go back to windows OEMs.

>>57179929
No, I'm definitely talking about ergonomics. I mean neither of us can prove it beyong the realm of subjectivity, but to me it seemed obvious it was much more comfortable long-term. I recently typed on my T410 again and I realized how shitty everything else had been in comparison.
>if you really want ergonomic
Oh come on. I agree that split keyboard with contoured layouts are the best if you type 10 hours a day, but we're talking about what we can get on a keyboard.

>>57179941
No, it's trolling and you people keep falling for it.

The only way you get people posting copypasta threads to stop is by ignoring them.

>>57179699
If you dual boot it will.
Also depending on what exact XPS you have they're both the same price which pretty much comes down to them being the same at the very least.

>>57179985
If you can't actually prove something you can't really claim it ether, at not least without some serious caveats tacked onto the claim.

As I said, you're used to thinkpad keyboards and think they're more ergonomic so the placbo effect (which is very much a real thing) takes over and makes you feel like it actually is more ergonomic.

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-stealth

CHECKMATE, MACFAGS

APOLOGIZE

>>57180012
Well can you prove it's placebo? It could perfectly be that thinkpad keyboards are more ergonomic. It would explain why the huge majority of posters who have tried both prefer thinkpads, why every reviewer I've seen comparing them prefered thinkpads, etc. I mean we can say that typing preference and ergonomy are totally separated things, but would that make sense? That your body would make you enjoy something that gave you physical pain?

All I've seen you post as well is emotional attachment as well, you LIKE your MBP's keyboard more. The fact that neither of us can right now prove either is more ergonomic than the other does not mean in any way they're equally ergonomic.

Runs too hot, HFS+ sux.

>>57177572
/thread

>>57178064
What?
My Surface Pro 3 was about $1500 all up. A rMPB at that time was closer to $2000 AUD

>>57181590
The most expensive SP3 was over $2k USD, so there's literally no way it was cheaper in Kangaroo-Cash.

>>57181602
256gb i5 with 8gb ram + Black type cover was about $1500. I did get a slight discount for being a student and there maybe have been a sale on which I think Apple also offered but it was still more expensive to go Apple.

>>57177390

i can't find any laptops at that price that don't know how to avoid sleeping when you close the lid

or any laptops that stop running on AC when you take the battery out

its just so advanced

>>57177390
>and it's $300 cheaper than Macbook Pros

http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-9360-laptop/pd?s=bsd&oc=cax13w10pb5141&ST=pla&dgc=ST&cid=298720&lid=5704669&acd=12309152537461010&ven1=CAX13W10PB5141:101950809789:901pdb6671:c&ven2=:

>>57177390
ITT: we help OP buy a non-Apple computer and save him money while improving his computer's specs

>>57177390
>Surface Book
Done. That was easy.

>>57177390
I thought I blocked ads on this site

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I love my old white MacBook (late 2009 version), but I bought a dell last year for $700.
The dell has a 15" 1080p display (not tn), 256gb ssd, quad core i5, and 960m graphics. It stays very cool and quiet with two fans and 3 vents. It's only 5 lbs and has pretty good battery life (about 6-7 hours).

Apple has great builds (probably the best) but the price/performance ratio can't compete with a lot of other brands.
As far as overall reliability goes, we'll see how the Dell holds up. My old MacBook is still a great machine.

>>57177878
>>57181189
You think your little "/thread" is gonna make a difference? fuck outta here losers

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>>57183416
>As far as overall reliability goes, we'll see how the Dell holds up.

I stopped hating macs ages ago

I would still never buy one, but I see friends using theirs, and occasionally i would need to use their ones, and I found it quite nice and easy to use

They have the best trackpads by far

>>57177390
My $2100 mbp
2.2ghz i7 quad
No gpu - shit tier Intel iris integrated graphics from cpu
8gb ddr3 ram
250gb ssd
2 usb 3.0 ports 2 tbolt ports
Sounds like a jet taking off just launching android studio
15 inches

My asus g751 from a year prior
$1000
2.6ghz i7 extreme
Dedicated Nvidia gtx 980 m Cuda enabled gpu
16gb ddr4 ram
1tb hdd + 250 gb ssd
4 usb 3.1 ports, 1 t bolt port, Blu-ray burner
Best cooling system on market
17 inches

I've had multiple macs and they've all been shit.

Take this from someone with years of mac experience.
They break fairly easily. Once they break they charge you 70% labor and 30% actual parts.

Took my 2012 Macbook air to get a battery replaced and had a small display issue. They wanted 800 some odd dollars for a battery and a simple fix. I could of bought a brand new mac for $899.

Decided to buy a Macbook Pro for school since thats the only thing macs are good at.

Never buy a Mac for anything but internet and Microsoft Office. Even then it struggles after a while. The cooling on the computers is awful. Macs are dog shit. Hence why I'm buying a new computer.

>>57179999
>my mbp can run vms faster than native installs
>lol no
can you stand by the original claim?

>>57177390
I'd gladly switch over to macbooks, but I'm a filthy poor student.

>>57177572
/thread