Anyone else feel we're slowly losing grasp of "our"

So how about that IBM guys?

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>>57131886
OP, you are one of the people I want to live.
Please, spread your genes.
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We can be somewhat protected by using tor over ssh, free arm boards like beaglebone or librebooted systems, routers with free firmware, and giving up any radio devices that do not have free firmware available.

>>57131886
https://eff.org

>>57131957
The problem is that we're limiting ourselves so much by using tor over ssh or using ARM computers that it becomes too stressful to go on for very long.

>>57131957
at that point it seems moot and rather that people would take interest in you.

isps can see who is using tor and woudnlt suprss me if someoen isnt' tasked into looking fruther into why this user is on tor?

>Anyone else feel we're slowly losing grasp of "our" tech?

You're a bit late to this aren't you?

>>57132027
I do my computing like this, feels nice.
However, I am incompatible with normie world, so I have a normie machine for social contacts etc.
>>57132043
SSH -> Tor -> WWW
ISP can see I am using ssh, not Tor.

>>57132043
If you use Tor and a VPN, Tor is wrapped inside the VPN. All your ISP sees is that you're using a VPN.

The good in all of this is that it motivates people to build their own tech. The NSA leaks made HTTPS adoption skyrocket and we have LetsEncrypt now, people are building hardware that is completely FOSS, people are rethinking OSes so that one bad component can't have access to the whole system.
Even if a lot of these projects are still small and unheard of outside of tech circles, I have no doubt that at least some of them will become very big during the next decade or so.

>>57132043
>isps can see who is using tor
Not if you use bridges, that's how some people in China are bypassing the Great Firewall.

>>57132090
Also, your VPN operator sees nothing. The final exit node is the Tor one.

>>57132115
unless the tor exit node is nsa then they can log everyone that exits there.

i still think if you want privacy then don't go through this because it makes people very suspcious.

Anyone with a credit card can get a free year of AWS VPS, and trivially set up a Tor node. You can make it a bridge if you want. Instructions at torproject.org. Costs you nothing.

>>57132174

What does this have to do with proprietary software and locked down components?

>>57132145
If nsa or whatever is running the exit node, and you're not using ssl, and you put identifying information in the data, they might be able to figure out who you are. Otherwise they don't have a clue where it's coming from, even if they can read it. Also, correlating activity at both ends mostly doesn't work because even they don't have enough resources. See Snowden leaks for more info.

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>To what extent should one trust a statement that a program is free of Trojan horses? Perhaps it is more important to trust the people who wrote the software.

Ken Thompson, "Reflections on Trusting Trust"

>>57132213
If you don't see the connection, you need to work on your abstract reasoning skills.

>>57132296

Nice try, there isn't a connection. This thread is about the state of consumer electronics, not Amazon Web Services instances.

>Thread talks about privacy, Tor, bridges.
>Someone mentions how to run a free Tor bridge
>Some bozo can't see the connection

>>57132618
but what if youre an anti tor shill? you cant trust anyone so you must use your best judgment after researching as much as you can

>>57132091
>the Privacy Project will become the new Open Source Project
YES

>>57131886
nowadays these hidden monitoring system are really increasing, its like everyone is mining data even videogame companies, i don't know if it was always like that or its a new thing, and also except some people, what other companies and providers do with personal data? a lot of people say they sell that data to advertising services but that couldn't be it i suppose?

>>57131886
I hate to break it to you but computers are already obsolete. Most people just use smart phones for everything now.

It's not uncommon to go to someones house now days and see that have no computer at all.

>>57131931

Already saving for a TALOS right now...

Better marketing
Better product placement
More analytical data = more control over the people.
Welcome to communism gents.
The blind will usher in a new era.

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>>57133662
It's all about big data and neural networks these days. With all the information you leak they can make a profile of your habits, what do you eat, where do you work, what porn/vidya/news you check on your free time, where do you live, whom you interact with.

Surveillance, it can be used against you if you ever stray from script.

>“Did you really think that we want thoselawsto be observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them broken. [...] There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live withoutbreakinglaws.” - Atlas Shrugged

Let alone the fact that most hi-tech today is the garbage again and again

All just another combination of cloud and mobile

>>57131886
Either libreboot laptop + dumbphone and realize hardware and ISP level taps are unavoidable. Anything you wouldn't want read by an analyst should be transmitted verbally in-person.

Browsing this thread reminds me how I hate capitalism and the advertising philosophy. Humans are getting worthless now.

I suggest we fix it by "gamifing" the system where we don't fight to improve individual's fitness but the system as a whole

To bad this will never happen and nobody wants us to be elevated from animals to symbiotic specie.

>>57132251
Anon, I'm sorry but your reasoning is flawed and your CP interests are compromised.

It doesn't work if AWS is leaking your data to NSA. And w/e your answer is, don't forget you have no idea what's in your bios, how you are currently connected to internet and if quantum computers are already able to decrypt your data.

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It has already happened.

There is nothing you can do. There is nothing anyone can do.

We lost.

>>57132251
>See Snowden leaks for more info.
Could you please quote the exact leak? There are too many leaks, I don't know which one to check.