/hpg/ - Headphone General

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First for waiting 5 months for overzealous highs and excruciating headclamp force.

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Opinions? What's better in the same price range that is comfy?

>>56960969
Wait, I thought we frowned upon wireless and headsets?

>>56961488
We do, but they're a necessary evil in today's society. Kinda like having to tolerate Googles, Skypes and Bings.

>>56961469
For 180 bucks not worth it.
I think they were 100 euros in the yuropoor amazon and they had free shipping to america. The euro is in the shitter now so the exchange rate is pretty much 1:1
Look for a better deal.

>>56961506
So they why not post the real op with all the correct info?

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What are the comfiest, best headphones that can be powered off of simply an ipod classic or a desktop? Not looking to spend much more than 300

>>56961528
>implying I'm the Car Salesman OP

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Alright guys, I loved my Brainwav HM5s for years and they keep snapping above the cup and I'm tired of repeatedly repairing them.

They were around $120 so I'm looking for the next logical upgrade up to around $300 that has a similar feel and sound signature.

Thanks for any tips guys

How do you guys keep your headphones cleaned?

Or do you not care about using sweaty ear pads

I know you guys hate Bose, but are there any headphones out there with the same quality active noise cancelling?

Because i'm looking for the absolute best tier of ANC. Any competitors to the Bose QC25/35?

>>56961722
detach pads- >wash them

if it's glued you are fucked

>>56961768
obviously don't forget some powder/gel/soap

>Budget
$50-$70
>Location
US
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Maximum comfy

Don't know anything about headphones really. Closest think to "nice" I think I've had were some sport Sennheiser earphones and they ended up being garbage and broke within a few weeks. Recently changed my audio setup at home and need a budget pair of open back headphones. Mostly wanting them to be hella comfortable as I would be wearing them several hours a day on my computer. Coming from a gayman headset, so sound quality will almost assuredly increase regardless of what I get. Thanks for any help.

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>>56961553
AKG K545's are nice, come with 2 cords (iDevice, Android), closed, reasonably neutral with good bass. 30Ohm, but despite that they don't seem to pick up any extra interference. They look nice and they compact well for around-the-neck carriage. They hotspot really badly but you'll know before any real discomfort sets in so you can adjust them immediately.

Are Sennheiser brand headphones a meme?

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>>56962122
Oh and once you've adjusted them, if you even needed to you can wear them for hours upon hours without even noticing. They're relatively lightweight. Clamping force is pretty moderate, good for a seal and security but not much more. It is adjustable though, the band is made from malleable metal so you can bend it as necessary. The ear pads are supremely soft, and the cups are what I'd call perfectly conservative, not too small or big. They had a QC problem a while back but the set I received had no issues whatsoever.

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I have DT990s and love them, but I'm thinking about the Custom One Studios.

thoughts?

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r8 pls

>>56962219
I read a lot about them, from what I gathered they were roughly equivalent to the M40/50x for more money. The ports, while functional are arguably limited to two adjustment levels which are equivalent to EQ adjustments. If you're intent on using them for a headset they have a microphone attachment built in, but otherwise they don't really offer much in the way of actual features. They are customizable if you're into that, but personally that failed to sway me considering the price disparity between them and their immediate competitors. If I were you I'd just look at signature comparisons between your 990's and competitors, find what you idealize to be a good option and buy a pair from Amazon (or more) and return them.

Since this general seems to be very knowledgable in audio, does anyone know how is it possible for multibit DACs to affect soundstage and imaging? Mike Moffat posted some stuff about filters and time-domain optimisation but it seems awfully shady in the light of Nyquist-Shannon.

>Budget
500$ flexible
>Location
US or Europe
>Source
Soundcard
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Comfort level
I don't want warm ears
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral
>Past headphones
ATH-M50, Beyerdynamics DT-880 pro

I'll use them for recording/mixing. I care about lows and I don't want crispy highs like beyerdynamics.

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>>56963083
HD600 open
SRH1540 closed
Might want to watch for the distortion, though.


>crispy highs

>>56963083
>>Source
>Soundcard
You stupid Google. USB DAC/AMP first then comeback to us.

>>56962553
>how is it possible for multibit DACs to affect soundstage and imaging?
It's not.

>>56961488
stop talking like a hive mind and form your own damn opinion for once

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should i import this? should be $438 USD for me

>>56962297
juicy mid-tier moist spot/10

im similar too
smsl m3 instead of fiio
558 instead of 9500
have cloud cores
and senfer ues as IEM of choice

>>56963164
Stop being a faggot
modern soundcards are almost entirely suitable for anything other than estats
dont follow the hivemind. let that anon be.

>>56963966
no, are you mad?

>>56964275
amp is a necessary thing though

>>56962553
snake oil

>>56963966

>taking advantage of the freefalling pound to get the best of uber british meme dacs

yousmartmotherfucker.jpg

>>56962553
>filters and time-domain optimisation
The trade off is between accuracy and complexity/latency. You don't have any special optimization to make, and choosing to focus on time or frequency is picking one way to consider the same problem.

>affect soundstage and imaging
Those aren't physical properties.
>does anyone know how is it possible for multibit DACs
If you say what affect does the converter have on that, none in particular. The central differences are in nonlinear behavior. As far as can be determined, localization from physical inputs relies on linear effects, those easily encapsulated by the impulse response.

>Nyquist-Shannon
Pet peeve: don't call it that.

>>56961745
>you guys hate Bose
Says who? Sound is alright as long as you turn on ANC, comfort is better than quite a few other compact headphone. It won't kill as much noise as the most highly isolating in-ears, but if you don't like forcing things into your ear this is a viable alternative.

>>56962150
There is nothing inherently good or bad about the brand.
Sennheiser makes some decent headphones and headphones that are poor.

>>56963966
>Chord Mojo
Why would you? What would you use it for?

>>56963966
Biggest audio meme of 2015

>>56964303
Of course which is why nearly all sound cards have headphone amplifiers on them. How else would they power a headphone?

>>56964431

I wasn't supporting any claims made. It just seems like another snake oil meme that I wanted to understand better.

The filter is described as:

>time domain optimized which means the phase info in the original samples are averaged in the time domain with the filter generated interpolated samples to for corrected minimum phase shift as a function of frequency from DC to the percentage of Nyquist - in our case .985. Time domain is well defined at DC - the playback device behaves as a window fan at DC - it either blows (in phase) or sucks (out). It is our time domain optimization that gives the uncanny sonic hologram that only Thetas and MB Schiit converters do. (It also allows the filter to disappear. Has to be heard to understand.) Since lower frequency wavelengths are measured in tens of feet, placement in image gets increasingly wrong as a function of decreasing frequency in non time domain optimized recordings - these keep the listener's ability to hear the venue - not to mention the sum of all of the phase errors in the microphones, mixing boards, eq, etc on the record side.

>This is combined with a frequency domain optimization which does not otherwise affect the phase optimization. The 0.985 of Nyquist also gives us an advantage that none of the off-the shelf FIR filters (0.907) provide: frequency response out to 21.71925KHz, 43.4385KHz, 86.877KHz, and 173.754KHz bandwidth for native 1,2,4, and 8x 44.1KHz SR multiple recordings - the 48KHz table is 23.64, 47.28, 94.56, and 189.12KHz respectively for 1,2,4, and 8x. This was the portion of the filter that had the divide by zero workaround which John Lediaev worked out in 1983, to combine with #4 above AND retain the original samples.

This sounds like fucking gibberish, especially the bit where it is optimised both in the frequency and time-domain.

>>56961488
That was before Apple revolutionized them

>>56960969
>smoking
kill yourself desu senpai

>>56964653
>the uncanny sonic hologram
>Has to be heard to understand
I love it.

>in non time domain optimized recordings
The what?

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Pull on these memes?

>tfw gonna leave headphones behind and join the speakers club next week

fuck worrying about comfort
fuck headphone hair
fuck paying $1500 for phones when a set of $300 powered monitors sound better
fuck the soundstage meme
and fuck my neighbors too

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>headphone's left side suddenly stops working without warning

what the fuck

>>56964909
VE Monk is pretty damn bad and I have no idea what that other one is. Product naming reeks of Chinese shit.

>>56964938
Disconnected solder.

>>56965010
Second one is the Senfer 4in1, the current hype-fi iem

HD558 or HD598 if they are the same price?

Hokay so I just looked up headphone amps and they seem to be horribly simple circuits where *most* of the sound quality is derived from batteries or other clean power sources that, by design, suppress transients in the audio. BOM for most of these is <10USD in quantity 1.

In your opinion is most of the 'quality' derived from marketing/packaging or is this literally gateway retardation to audiophile territory?

Halp me 'get it' or at least get what I'm missing here.

>>56965010
>Disconnected solder.
Opened the fucker up
The solder is good. I think the wire is frayed.
Gonna have to cut it up a little and try to solder it again

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>>56964716
Rosie is cute. Cute!

>>56962219
DT770 sound better but are less portable.
All in all i don't think Pro One is particularly bad, just not that good.

>>56964653
Let's strip it out to the core statements:

>time domain optimized
>the phase info in the original samples are averaged in the time domain with the filter generated interpolated samples to for corrected minimum phase shift as a function of frequency from DC to the percentage of Nyquist - in our case .985. Time domain is well defined at DC
You can consider phase from ether side of the Fourier pair, in time or in frequency. Phase is not specifically a time domain feature. It may be easier to understand from a different perspective, but it is not lost under the transformation.
Personally can't think of any converter that mucks around with the low frequency response.

>This is combined with a frequency domain optimization which does not otherwise affect the phase optimization. The 0.985 of Nyquist also gives us an advantage that none of the off-the shelf FIR filters (0.907) provide
In other words, a linear phase filter. But not really accurate, just accurate in the parts we care about. Linear phase accepts a penalty of latency (linear phase error with non-zero slope) as an acceptable loss for overall waveform approximation.

The thing about the iterative FIR filter methods is that you choose the value of the cutoff and the requisite accuracy of the filter, then balance that with the length of the sequence that needs to be computed per input sample. 0.907 of Fs/2 is chosen as a passable compromise. We aren't normally interested in frequencies above 20 kHz, so we can relax the cutoff filter requirements and the filter length as a result.

>retain the original samples
Not doable for the reason that sinc interpolation cannot be implemented. Real filters can only aim to approximate the sinc, to which they can do a fairly good job.

>>56963966
That's stupid get a O2 and ODAC.

>paying more than $200 for headphones

It's really adorable, like a small child that doesn't know yet that price doesn't directly reflect on the quality of a product.

>>56965249
She's also a degenerate druggie

>>56965501
What about the claimed 'closed-form' nature of said filter? What are the implications of running such a filter?

>>56965010
Idk senpai. For $5, I can't complain about the VE Monks. They're perform well for how cheap they are.

>>56960969
which mp3 player should I get

>>56964529
Dumb onboard poster kys

>>56966579
I haven't used an on-board solution in years but nice try.

>>56966475
Either C++ or Western Digital

>Budget
Preferably under $300.
>Location
United States
>Source
A newer release Gigabyte Z170X Mobo that can drive up to 600 ohms
>Preferred type of headphone
Full circumaural
>Open or Closed
I would vastly prefer open, but would settle for semi-open if I had to.
>Comfort level
I wear headphones for long periods of time, so I'd be fine sacrificing a little sound quality for more comfort.
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral to warm, but neutral preferred. Also looking for something with an excellent soundstage for gaming.
>Past headphones
Old style purple ATH-AD700's. I loved these phones to death, but they're really starting to show wear and tear after five years.

>>56962122
>>56962196
Thanks man I'll definitely look into these they sound great. I'd be willing to spend a bit more for something similar too since these are $130 on amazon.

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My meme SHP9500 have finally arrived today. First impressions - super comfy, detailed sound with good soundstage, but definitely lacking in bass. They respond well to EQ though.

Liking them a lot more than HI2050's.

can someone explain please why "soundstage" is a meme?

>>56967963
Q701/K702/K701, pick the cheapest one.

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>>56965820
>he pays more than 50$ for his chink headphones

>>56965820
> b-but super german natural sound of muh HD600 which every graph claims to be neutral by unknown standards!

>>56968576
There isn't a more neutral full sized headphone in production than the HD600 though.

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>>56968673
Like what?
That desing tho

http://www.e-infin.com/ww/item/2432/akg_k712_pro_reference_studio_headphones

Anyone ever bought from these guys? They're selling k712's for $238 with free shipping.

>>56968673
As long as you believe it, it's fine to me.

>>56968837
Why getting the K712? K702/K701/Q701 is better and it's cheaper.

>>56968874
What makes the k702 better than the k712?

>>56968904
Less bloated/loose bass and overall more balanced sound

>>56968924
Alright, thanks.

>>56968837
Save up for HD600

Is it possible to buy Shure spare parts anywhere? I broke one of the plastic parts like a dumbfuck, and I don't want to send it in for repairs because I modified the headband.

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>Budget

Up to $350

>Location

Seattle, WA USA

>Source

Desktop computer,laptop, iPod Classic, iPhone 6s

>Preferred type of headphone

Full

>Open or closed

I have never experience an open headphone, but I'm willing to try. Most likey while these will be powered only out of my ipod I don't think i'd be bringing them into public where an open headphone would be a bother

>Comfort level

I love comfy headphones, my last pair was a Brainwav HM5

>Preferred tonal balance

I'm used to neutral headphones because that's an easy way to go, but I do listen to a lot of more aggressive hip-hop/trap and post-punk. However I also enjoy smooth R&B and more indie acoustics stuff (like Modest Mouse)

>Past headphones
Brainwav HM5 and SoundMAGIC E10


I abosultely loved my HM5, they were so comfy and I thought they sounded great. Basically I'm looking for something similar but double the price and hopefully the quality as well.

Thanks guys

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Anyone have Experience with the Bang & Olufsen BeoPlay H6 Gen. 2?

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Are these just one big meme?

>>56969611
I have the red ones from Massdrop. For their price, they're pretty good. I cant complain about them for how cheap they are.

>>56969611
They are earbuds. For earbuds they are ok but all buds are more or less shit.

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A friend asked me for advice on some headphones.
He wants to buy this: "Bose SoundTrue around-ear headphones II" $139
Should I let him be happy and buy them, or should I recommend something else?
He's probably going to use them for his phone.

>>56962021
any suggestions at all?

>>56970338
Philips SHP9500's?

>>56968313
It isn't. It's just the word used to describe hearing sound from different places while wearing headphones, as if there was a stage in front of you.

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Anyone have that webm of that guy twitching while reviewing a pair of headphones?

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has anyone here used the NVX XPT100? the pastebin says theyre good, but id feel better if i had some testimonials.

>>56970741
> obscure brand
please, do yourself a favour and get an actually good pair of closed headphones.

>>56970848
>get an actually good pair of closed headphones
like what?

>>56970861
Beyerdynamic DT770 80 Ohm.

>>56970861
Beats Studio 2.0
As we all know the most recognized brand is the best.

Philips SHP9500 or HD598?

>>56970884
>Beyerdynamic DT770 80 Ohm
>costs 160% more than the NVX
well no shit. do you have any examples that are closer to its price of 80 dollars?

>>56970894
thanks doc

>>56970958
Superlux HD-662 EVO.
Below 100$ you probably won't find something better.

>>56970958
Sony MDR 7506

>>56971036
>>56971052

ill look into it

If I get an Etymotics HF5, will I need an amp or something like that? Or do they work well on their own?

Oh, and forgot to add, are the microphonics from the HF5 really as bad as people say?

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Hey HD 600 cable bro that recommended the ebay cardas cable are you still here?

>Budget
£160
>Location
amazon uk
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
full-sized
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Comfortable, but not at the expense of sound quality
>Preferred tonal balance
neutral, not bright
>Past headphones
Grado sr60
Had AKG K702's for 2 weeks. I loved the detail but they were to harsh and sibilant for me so I had to return them.

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Looking to replace my cheap IEM with light headphones for while I'm out. Thinking about getting Portapros, and while looking found there was a mic variant

https://amzn.com/B006QR8W6K

That's really appealing to me because making calls with the inline mic is one of the main appeals of IEM/buds for me, and if I got these I'd be able to transition from them almost completely. I can't shake the feeling that the price jump from standard isn't worth it.

Has anyone gotten these? Any opinions on them?

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Modmics are $50 now and fucking expensive.
Cheaper alternative to modmic that is not complete trash?

>>56971185
They work well on their own, no amp required.
>>56971203
I guess you can hear them pretty loudly, but that's okay because they also completely block out all the outside noise and they only have microphonic noise if you move them a lot against surfaces.

>>56964920
But soundstage is a real, possible thing with speakers

>>56971700
They are open, so they will leak sound like crazy. You're better off with something closed for outdoors.

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Are there any leather or skin pads for the HD 600s? I fucking hate velour. It feels like wearing an old carpet 24/7.

>>56971840
any suggestions with/for portability? the guides seem to emphasize fairly clunky gear

>>56971185
>work well
Yes they are low resistance with low ohms.

>budget
$120
>Location
USA
>preferred type of headphone
full sized
>open or closed
open
>comfort level
very comfy I want to keep a similar comfort level to my past headphones
>preferred tonal balance
I don't know much about this
>past headphones
Audio-Technica AD700- very very comfy while still having decent sound quality, not the greatest but the comfort makes up for the slight lack.

>>56965055
both are good
598 if you like the colour
558 if you want a softer headband
558 is slightly warmer, leaving the 598 with a slightly better soundstage.

598 has a better resale value by a fair bit [especially the non SE]

On the fence between K702 and DT990 Premium 250ohm. Anyone tried out both for comparison?

>>56962122
Are you saying that low impedance headphone are prone to picking up "interference"?
If so, you're utterly clueless about this subject.

I use DT880s, DT770s, HD598s and MDR-7506's
I want neutral headphones
I have real monitors and my own apartment where I can be loud. Is there any reason at all to keep buying headphones other than disposable JVC marshmallow earbuds for walkytimes?

>>56971986
DT990s have no market imo. They're beefed up DT770s with an emphasis on enjoyable tone rather than neutral tone (like the DT880s are). Basically if you want the 990s but don't want the 880s then the 770s are cheaper and not very different from the 990s
I haven't used AKG since my literal first headphones ever (K-20some$20shits) they were alright, fantastic highs, no bass at all but that was expected, I just never tried another AKG

>>56969395
If you want neutral open, HD 600 are the way to go in your budget. That said, you could potentially need an amp for them.
I'm not sure how loud iPods/iPhones would get. My Xperia z2 drives them brilliantly though.

>>56971874
Sennheiser PX 100/200 if you want foldable (like porta pros).

Otherwise... really hard to tell without knowing your sound preference and budget. I'd say Fidelio F1 or M1 are good choices generally and cost ~50$.

Budget
200 Eur
>Location
Eastern europe
>Source
Smartphone nexus 5x
>Preferred type of headphone
In ear
>Comfort level
As comfortable as possible, not sacrificing sound quality
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral or v shape
>Past headphones
Apple earbuds, nothing worth More than 30 eur

>>56970741
They're great. They're almost identical to the Brainwavz HM5 [both in sound and build]
Incredibly neutral, very comfortable, and sound very good for the price.

Ignore that dildoid saying 'ignore obscure headphone brands'.

>>56971713
a desktop mic

>>56972074
Huh, I thought the main difference between the three was that the 770's are closed, the 880's are semi-open, and the 990's are fully open with the 990's having the best soundstage for gaming.

>>56972193
>Semi-open = open
>Soundstage is impossible with two speaker drivers like the 990s has (and improbable with headphones at all), but the openness adds to the ambient reverb
Open headphones are great and all but the 990s are just overpriced for what they are: open 770s. The 880s are open but they're a lot more neutral than the 770s or 990s.
I love the 770s for casual listening, I love the 880s for studio work where neutral matters, but I just couldn't shake the feeling that the 990s were just beefy 770s

>>56972193
And at 250ohms, you're gonna want a DAC/amp/AudioInterface/Mixer, your phone or your motherboard (maybe) won't cut it and the sound will be quiet and weak

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>new store opening
>they're having a one-day sale
>Beoplay H6 for $150.

what IEMs do you guys use? is the SoundMAGIC E10 still the go-to meme?

>>56971854
pls respond ;_;

>>56973024
JVC marshmallows
Decent quality, sound and durability wise, with or without mic+button, and $10-15 which makes them disposable and they're widely available.
Normies can't understand me but I'll leave my $300 headphones and $600 speakers at home and love these $10 IEMs because they're great at being IEMs, walkable durable decent and cheap, not top quality perfect sound equipment

How bad are those portable bluetooth speakers? Are there any decent ones?

That feel when bose dont do replacement anything for AE2s in Canada

>>56970958
>costs 160% more than the NVX
???

>>56973069
for what purpose did you buy the HD600? different pads are going to mess up the frequency response

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>>56960969
im about to fucking break down and buy some wireless beats for the gym i dont give a fuck anymore. I need loud, isolating wireless bass headphones....

there really is nothing else and i feel bad.

>>56966350
Late reply is late-

>What about the claimed 'closed-form' nature of said filter?
Closed form would refer to how the filter was created. Closed form precludes approximate methods and infinite series.
The popular Remez/Parks-McClellan and the Least-Square types rerun an optimization to create a filter that best hits your stated requirements. Not closed form.
You could also define an arbitrary filter function and transform it into discrete values for your filters. Of course, the truncation required will alter the magnitude response a little. Windowed or a truncated sinc and so on.


>What are the implications of running such a filter?
Unlike the method that might be be used to create the filter coefficients, once you have the filter terms on hand, the result is more predictable. A closed form filter is not necessarily more accurate and able to approximate a sinc than any other.

Does rockboxed sansa clip+ have a song search function? I have like 9000 songs on it and holding down to get to the song I want is too tedious

>>56971713
The boom pro is pretty good, if it's compatable with your headphones.

>>56970948
>>56970948
I'd go with the SHP9500. You're getting much more headphone for the $. Even not considering the price, the SHP9500 are great.

What are some advantages the HiFiMan RE400 has over the Etymotics HF5?

Also, what's the go-to mp3 player nowadays when it comes to maximizing storage?

>>56974521
I used to have a rockboxed sansa fuze+ (should be the same?), yet don't remember having any troubles with searching specific songs(also over 9000).
I wouldn't worry about it.

>>56971854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpO0TDCj_cg

Haven't watched it but this exists.

>>56974932
>What are some advantages the HiFiMan RE400 has over the Etymotics HF5?
Comfort. That's pretty much it.

>Also, what's the go-to mp3 player nowadays when it comes to maximizing storage?
The new X1 2nd gen can handle 256gb.

>>56974234

I fail to see how the characteristics of the filter are relevant to the claims made, especially since spatial cues are very much dependent on the recording. Had a hunch, but thanks for the explanation.

He'd probably fail an ABX with his magick DAC.

>closed form filter is not necessarily more accurate and able to approximate a sinc than any other

So, it is being misrepresented as inherently more accurate for the purposes of audio reproduction.

Idiots lapping this up everywhere I see.

>>56973992
How would it mess up the frequency response? Are you talking out of your ass?

>>56971469
Yeah. Still here.

I sent a message to Venus Audio recently. Since I live far away and I was worried why it wasn't marked as sent yet. They responded back and said it is on its way.

How about you? Did you get it?

>Budget
$500
>Location
US APO in Japan
>Source
Mp3 player and tv/xbone controller
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Doesn't matter. Either way.
>Comfort level
Mostly comfy. I wear headsets all day.
>Preferred tonal balance
Flat or v or warm. No niggerbass
>Past headphones
Crap earbuds no more than $100

>>56975176
A lot of headphone response has to do with placement and seal. Different pads change that, therefore changes the frequency response.

Has anyone here replaced the pads on the Fostex TH-X00? I've got big ass ears and shit's fatiguing on the ear lobes.

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>>56975403
It took 2 1/2 weeks but I got mine. Came in a black rubber bubble bag. Cable is about 8 times heavier than the stock cable and about 6mm in diameter.

Pic related is me screwing off the metal cap on the 1/4 inch jack. If high quality cables are supposed to have crappy glue jobs then I'm at a loss for words.

>>56975561
Also I guess while I'm at it what's a good DAC and AMP, both either being together or seperate that I can buy for no more than 400 for both?

Is the soundstage on the HD600 as bad as everyone says it is? The only pair of headphones I've had are SHP9500s and I like the way I'm able to hear instruments from different locations. Should I just go for k702s?

>>56975564
Then shouldn't leather pads sound better since regular velour soaks up some frequencies?

>>56975729
The headphone could be tuned with those pads specifically.

>>56975714
>I like the way I'm able to hear instruments from different locations.
The hd600 is very good at pinpointing where things are coming from. They aren't good at reproducing a large soundstage. Not very good soundstage, but very good imaging.

>>56975775
buzzword central here

>>56975788
Soundstage and imaging are words used to help describe when sounds sound like they're coming from different places in your head.

>>56975714
HD600 has a small soundstage because of uppermid presence.

>>56975874
soundstage does not exist in headphones

>>56975917
Okay Sandej, time to stop shilling those speakers.

>>56975917
What do you call it when things sound like they're being played a bit to the left and right and other such things like that?

>>56975945
Stereo?

>>56975714
K612's are more neutral. Save up for HD600.

>>56975945
We should probably talk about head related transfer functions but good luck getting that terms to float above soundstage and imaging in common use.

>>56975704
I've heard rumours of a DAC/Amp combo that will be reviewed that's under $400 that will run circles around Schiit's offerings coming by the end of the year. No idea what is the brand though.

For now just buy the JDS Labs O2+ODAC combo.

>>56970378
I have SHP9500S and I can confirm they are probably the best bang for the buck

>>56970210
Why would you let anyone get bose?

>>56975714
>Is the soundstage on the HD600 as bad as everyone says it is?
No, it's worse.
> The only pair of headphones I've had are SHP9500s and I like the way I'm able to hear instruments from different locations. Should I just go for k702s?
Yes, you should.

>>56974216
>there really is nothing else
Spend 10 minutes looking up shit and avoid trash

>>56970210
Strangle him in his sleep for having shit taste.

>>56975714
K702 is worse than SHP9500, HD600 is like 5% better than the SHP9500 and it's will probably be perceived as having a smaller soundstage.

My laptop soundcard has gone bonkers. I hear audible static now, even when nothing is being played back, as long as it's on (battery or plugged in).

What's a good USB soundcard that has a microphone in? Preferably something that doesn't use drivers. I'm using a Sennheiser Game One headset.

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>>56970741
I own them, they are extremely comfortable, you never have to let your ears breathe unlike the M50 which are clamp gods, plus there earpads are 10x better than the chink shit the M50 throws on theirs.. At 100 bucks they were a steal, now they're going for 80. I also like the whole twist and lock feature they have on there earpads.

M50's do feel more solidly built but everything else is in favor of the NVX XPT100.

>>56976556
>red m50's
anon, what were you thinking?

>>56976556
Also tried using the angled pads of the nvx xpt100 on the M50, it ruined anything good left about the M50. it made it extremely tinny and sound far away. Also didn't even make it that much more comfortable as the clamp is still there.

>>56976542
Beringer UCA202

>>56976597
They were the same price as the original ones when I got them.

>>56975729
he is trolling you, hd600s are the most open headphones you ever find
it doesn't need much of a seal or less of it
just a bit

>>56976641
With that shitty red color you should have gotten them for half off.

>>56976635
How would I be able to connect the mic jack on the headset? Do I need an adapter?

>>56976719
oops my bad. I thought it had mic line-level input. Reviews say you'll need a microphone preamp so you can connect it to the RCA input.

Probably get a Turtlebeach/Razer 5.1/7.1 USB soundcard perhaps?

>>56976816
>Probably get a Turtlebeach/Razer 5.1/7.1 USB soundcard perhaps?
Don't like virtual surround.

I suppose I'll look around.

>>56975691
But it makes the transients attack harder and gives the bass more magic defense.

>>56976656
That's incorrect, the HD600 is well designed so it has a consistent seal as a result.

Headphones like K702 are susceptible to bass leakage because of their inconsistent sealing.

I'm no HD600 shill, but there are many other open dynamic headphones that seal well, examples are Fidelio X2, DT880, K7XX.

>>56975984
>>56975874
>>56975917

Headphones can reproduce panning effects, but neither elevation nor front-back cues.

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Why can't Sony make another MDR R10?
Why is the insides look like garbage?
Why is it $10,000 used?

>>56977148
they are making one

>>56976996
leather pads if anything will increase the seal

I have different question is there a way to restore old pads that are too soft and compress too much? buying new is out of question

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What the fuck were they thinking

>>56977192
"jude will hype the fuck out of this"

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>>56977192
>on order at the price of €100.000 for the headphones alone, or for €110.000 with its dedicated stand.

>10,000 euros
>for a stand

>>56969535
They're alright, good sound and comfy, but like all B&O proiducts, they're overpriced.

>>56977071
Not true, you can simulate elevation and front/back distinctions. I have heard sound samples do that very thing, although they were fairly contrived examples meant to show that exactly.

Here is a study that demonstrates it as well: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/p/pod/dod-idx/simulation-of-three-dimensional-localization-cues-for.pdf?c=icmc;idno=bbp2372.1981.023

>>56977306
binaural recordings don't count.

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I got $250 to spend

The only thing that matters to me is guitar, piano, and speed

I like to go for walks/transit while listening to music so low impedance or a portable amp is required. Closed is also required

Dt770 32 or 250 with port amp, akg 545, or t50rp are the options from my hella sick research yo. Although you guys probably know alot better, so give me the /g/rape

>>56977314
>I'm right except when I'm wrong!

...ok, but elevation cues can be monaural due to pinna reflection so you don't have to have a binaural recording or two convolvers to reproduce it. It is, however, a more easily noticeable effect if you do.

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>>56977349
MSR7

>speed

>>56977384
>>56977349
This is now a SPEED thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2rhl9SDhWg

>>56977349
SPEEEEDOOOOOOO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT6fiTysiMM

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>bought a 150€ headphones
>had to return it because too much bass
>bought a 70€ headphones
>going to return them today because the earpads feel uncomfortable after a hour
Fuck I hate shopping for headphones. The store has 30 day return policy but I'm worried they'll get suspicious and start bullying me. Not to mention that I've visited it so often in last few weeks that they'll soon start recognizing me.

>>56977547
>too much bass
just get 558s and forget about headphones for 3-5 years

>Budget
~300 Euros
>Location
Hungary, Europe
>Source
OP3, PC, Laptop
>Preferred type of headphone
All around daily driver Over Ear.
>Open or closed
Closed, I like open I think but I think those are not suitable for what I want. More later.
>Comfort level
High
>Preferred tonal balance
I don't know if there's such. I don't need a lot of bass, but I'm fine with it if everything else is at it's place.
>Past headphones
HD555s, HyperX Cloud, Sennheiser PX200, Koss PRO 4AAA studio.

My HD555s were my favorite headphones so far, lasted 5 years, right driver died, which I replaced then after a month the left drived died. Fuck planned obsolescence.

You guys suggested HyperX Clouds, they were okay at best, highs and mids were okay, on my phone the whole headphone seemed muted, but my Sennheiser PX200s had better sound than this. I used HyperX Clouds as a daily driver.
I commute a lot on very loud shitty trams and used them at work/home too. Cable broke last week, shop sent it back to Kingston (didn't want to void warranty) so I have no headphones now.

What I want:
- wireless capability, but full wired capability and sound
-over ear
- some isolation for commuting
- no ANC
- kind of portable, not goofy looking like plantronics backbeat pros
- a nice all around pair of headphones, wireless listening while commuting and moving around, good wired performance when I get home.


I've tried some ANC headphones this week and this is my experience with them so far:
Some "cheap" 200 usd panasonic ones:
-hiss heard when ANC turned on, shitty sounding but good bass, ANC cuts off a lot of the lower end
Bose Quietcomfort 25:
-sounding pretty meh without ANC
-ANC turned on: EQ goes crazy, more dynamic sounding but bass gets overdone and treble gets crazy, ears hurting after 45 minutes of listening
-ANC turned on and no music: I hear a low screeching/hiss and I feel like there's pressure on my ears.

TLDR:
Try ANC befor ever buying any headphones with them.

>>56978015
Also I like listening to:
-hip hop
-electronica
-soft rock
-metal
-classical
-techno
-jazz
-poop pop

basicly anything that I can get my hands on and like.

I usually test headphones with:
Talking Heads - Remain in the Light
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
Madvillain - Madvillainy
Chopin : Mazurkas

I believe I have pretty shitty hearing and pretty mediocre tastes in music, but those are the basics I go to.

I've been looking at:
-Zik 3 - dropped cause of shit wired performance
-Sennheiser Momentum Wireless - over ear, dropped because insane price
-Plantronics Backbeat Pro - too bulky and big, fuck ANC
- VModa Crossfade Wireless,
I really dig the look so far
Looks like it has good wireless and wired perfomance
Has too much hype about it and head fi seems to suck the dick of anything VModa


I would appreciate some input on VMODA m100s and the crossfade wireless.

>tfw no headphone sales going on within the past week

im just waiting to replace my m50s..

>>56978082
Also durability is an issue, because I don't take good care of my tech in general.
I throw them in my backpack/ on my bed a lot and wires always break from cramming them into my pockets and using them with my phone.

>>56962297
How would you rate the headphones you have against each other?

>>56977843
well meme'd

Any recommendations for Bluetooth headphones (preferably on ear) for around 100 eurobucks, or is that too small of a budget?

>>56978446
Just read the paste bin, sorry:

>I'm from Germany
>Budget is around 150 bucks
>on ear
>Bluetooth
>want them connected to my iPhone 7
>used the sennheiser momentum before
>I listen to all sorts of things, so it should he well balanced

Are there any good Bluetooth 4.0 in-ears for gym use? Jaybirds seem to still be on a shitty version of Bluetooth so I doubt they will sound anywhere near decent.

>>56971986
K702 are far better than DT990. DT990 are more extreme than the DT770, which is quite V-shaped.

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Any experience with superlux stuff?


they look like a fucking clone of my DT770 but they are 35€ instead of 200

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I currently have AKG K702's but want some headphones I can use out, anyone have any experience with the K550 MKII's?

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Decided to go for the DT 770 250ohm. I need help picking an amp (preferably with DAC included).

Budget: $120
Location: Scandinavia

>>56978992
E10K

>>56978992
>>56979013
I will use them for desktop setup only, and I might get a microphone later on. Is an audio interface something I should go for? How's something like Focusrite Scarlett Solo Mk2?

>>56979077
I don't know how powerful the Focusrite is, but it should be fine. You can just go for a USB mic.

My speakers have audio out (RCA red/white) connectors, and my sound card have both audio out and audio in as well as headphone jack. How would I set this up?

>>56979145
Apparently it only supports < 10 ohm impedance, according to their specification website

>>56978727
not sure about those ones, but superlux is a pretty great chink brand. head over to /csg/ since they usually know a fair bit

the 681 and 668B are both really good headphones for vidya once you change the pads and put some felt over the driver
fucking great imaging, soundstage, and separation.

the 681 EVO is a very good bassy headphone for the price, and the 662 EVO is an amazingly good neutral-ish closed headphone. amazing clarity and soundstage [especially for closed]. both of those EVOs have velour padding so theyre comfy as fuck as well.

desu i wouldnt be surprised if those are good. there are probably a few threads on head-fi about them. i wouldn't imagine the pads are too great tho desu.

Takstar [or ISK which sells takstar's old headphones now] are also a breddy gud chink brand

Rose 3D-7 or LZ-A2s?

>>56978867
I got these right beside me, what do you want to know?

>>56978992
fiio e10k if you want to go well meme'd mainstream. fiio stuff isn't built that well imo

though there are a few SMSL amps that are a bit cheaper and have more features, and built better.

>>56979419
>100 mW into 50 ohms
Pretty weak but should be enough.

>>56979901
I'm hoping to use them during commutes and whilst walking so do they leak much? how much noise do they block out? how much pressure do they apply to your head? would you recommend them? any quirks or annoyances? I'm under the assumption they sound nice but if you could give me a rough idea of how they sound that'd be good. I'm looking for something slightly more playful than my K702's with a touch more bass. cheers

>>56961553
Sony MDR 1A. Literally the comfiest and they sound great (kinda like the HD598 but with more bass and slightly smaller soundstage).

>>56979878
Can't find the gg2 over any chink shop, where are they sold?

>>56980510
662*

>>56980510
>>56980525
gearbest, tho they might be on aliexpress for cheaper
http://www.gearbest.com/superlux-_gear/
http://www.gearbest.com/on-ear-over-ear-headphones/pp_366473.html

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000JC7GEC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

At 40 dollars these seems like a steal, anyone have any experience with them?

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>>56980934
http://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B000JC7GEC
Price definitely seems good. No idea. Is it good?

>Budget
Around 75-100 euros seems to be a
>Source
Listening to music and playing vidya on PC using integrated sound card on my mobo
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Open or semi-open
>Comfort level
As comfy as possible, I'll be listening these for many hours every day
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral, maybe with a slight boost to bass
>Past headphones
Sennheiser HD 465, used them for years untill they broke. Something similar would be fine, maybe a slightly more comfortable and slightly higher sound quality version.

>>56981026
>seems to be a
...pretty good price point for me, but it's not a hard limit

My IEMs make me fucking frustrated

They are Xiaomi Piston 3, and while they have great sound for the price and i like them, i fucking cant get them to stay in my ears properly

Usually they stay in pretty good for like few minutes and they have a good seal, and then it starts to feel weird and like they can come out of my ears any second, and it starts leaking sound, i mean external sounds become very audible and bass gets weaker

I have tried all the eartips and i think the medium or whatever the default ones seem to be the best out of them, smaller only felt like they dont make seal at all and large tips didnt feel right either

I also have tried to google every damn guide how to insert IEMs properly and tried, pulling ear up and pushing etc, and my problem here is i get a good seal for a while and then it feels like it just comes out and just doesnt want to stay with a good seal and i cant move much or it just feels like they will slide out from my ears

Are my ears just crap for IEMs or what the hell is going on here, this frustrates me a lot since i like these but i just got this damn problem, is there anything i can do to get them stay in my ears with a good seal?

>>56981339
Consider getting Xiaomi Hybrids. I had Pistons 3 and it always felt like if I went out for a walk it'll fall out of my ears. Piston 3 body feels plasticy and the Hybrids have better design and drivers.

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>>56981339
Just look at picture. Its bigger so it will stay in your ears and not fall out.

>>56981339
>>56981468

Always hated IEMs because of lacking comfort or shaky fit and am in love with the Hybrids.

>>56981468
Actually already did order the xiaomi hybrids yesterday, since my Pistons are kind of fucked anyway, the other side is louder than the other one and the other one has that damn metal mesh stuck or whatever it is inside when i tried to take it out for cleaning from my wax but i failed miserably (it still works though)

So you had the kind of same issue with the Pistons, they felt like they will drop from your ears and didnt make good seal, couldn't even move head much or it would feel like they would fall from your ears, but this doesnt happen with the hybrids?

If yes, fuck yes im even more excited to get those hybrids, will take probably 2-3 weeks at least to arrive. How do you like them, i personally like the pistons sound but they falling out and not making good seal is my biggest issue with them.

>>56978015
'nuffin? was it tldr or i just want something stupid?

>>56981548
>how do i like them?
Better sound quality than Piston 3. But I use a little eq to fix the dip in the highs. It sounds great even without eq.

>this happen with the hybrids?
Everyone has different ear lobes. I don't know.

>>56981615
If they sound better than Piston 3, thats great. I am currently excited to get them thanks to information about them being bigger and different, so i really hope they work for me too that they dont fall as easily as Pistons do for me

We'll see when they arrive

>>56968533
>takstar
shitphones

you better wait for Black Friday for MdrV6s for 50$

Is there any headphone more comfy than the Sony MDR 1A? I just bought these and already own the HD598SE, and the Sony is definitely the comfiest by a pretty big margin. On top of that I also think they sound better than the HD598SE, too bad they're closed so they can't fully replace the 598SE. Is there any open headphone with the same slightly warm sound of the Sony's? I really like the slight bass boost compared to the 598. I've heard there's a closed version of the 598 out there, anyone tried it? I'd gladly give up some soundstage for a bit more bass, as the 598 will distort long before the bass becomes decent using EQ or the bass boost on my E07K.

>>56962553
he's talking about the filter. digital audio is made of samples, and the filter is how you connect those dots.

People will often claim that one filter is better for soundstage because of lack of pre-ringing. It's kinda bullshit though. First, I'm not sure pre-ringing was really a problem in the first place. Second, filtering like this does cause another problem, a phase shift between different frequencies. So you could argue it makes shit worse.

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>>56981681

>>56981716
I actually was undecided between the Sony and the Fidelio X2, but the Fidelio was 300€ and the sony was 140. If you can assure me they're more comfy and not heavy as fuck (they sure look very heavy) like say the ATH M50 I could even send the Sony back to amazon and get those. If you own them could you also tell me if they can fully enclose the ear or if they will push the top and bottom of your ears? Last time I bought a headphone with circle earpads I had serious issues with my ears being pressed up and down (the shitty Sennheiser Urbanite).

Kik- Breakfast Burrithoe

Need someone kinky to fuck me on Skype or Kik, send nudes to get approval. Will send nudes back

>>56981766
I don't own them but have tried them. Ear pads was comfy but I forgot how big they were. Sound quality is too warm or bassy and I hated it. It might be for you but I don't like it to be honest.

>Fidelio X2
http://goldenears.net/board/GR_Headphones/5405307
>Sony 1A
http://goldenears.net/board/GR_Headphones/5532177

>>56981837
Can't read those graphs. What can you tell me about that spike in the high frequencies? The rest looks kinda similar. Sony seems to have a flatter bass response. But again I have no idea how to interpret that stuff.

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>Budget
100-200 us
>Source
Galaxy s3
>Preferred type of headphone
full size
>Open or closed
closed

I listen to a huge variety of music, the only thing I don't care for much is edm style music.Thrash and black metal is my go to atm. I want to be able to walk around listening to music for sure as its how I get the most out of it. So low impedance or rec a good portable amp.

In return I can only give a miku

>>56981872
I don't know what to interpret either. Basically from my understanding is that if it matches the golden ears target it means it sounds flat. Both X2 and 1A look like they're warmer than normal. 1A looks more bassy than X2.

Listen to this with your Sony 1As right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNf9nzvnd1k

While looking at this graph http://goldenears.net/board/GR_Headphones/5532177

>Budget
$200
>Location
US
>Source
phone audio jack
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized, noise cancelling
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfy

I'm shopping for headphones for my gf's birthday. She works next to loud equipment that drones all day and he current pair of noise cancelling headphones broke. Any recommendations?

Just buyed a TH50RP MK3 from fostex, is there a place where I can inform myself about existing mods ? Also are there specific mods I should look into ? I'm pretty new to this.

>>56960969
Buying some headphones today, thinking about M50x's. First time headphone buyer that's coming from /mu/. Listen to music for at least 1-2 hours a day.

>Budget
150$
>Location
US
>Source
Desktop - USB or audio jack
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized, over ear
>Open or closed
Not really sure honestly. I'm not in a crowded place that requires noise isolation, but sometimes I'm around my family and I don't want them to hear my loud music. Also if someone walks into my room I'd like to be able to hear that they are doing so. Someone can help me on this?
>Comfort level
Don't need maximum comfort, but I'll be wearing them for a decent amount of time so at least somewhat comfortable would be nice

is hyperx cloud good? in need of a new headphone but don't really know much about them.

>Budget
20$
>Location
Turkey
>Source
laptop output jack
>Preferred type of headphone
a working one
>Open or closed
i dont care
>Comfort level
as long as it doesn't give my ear MRSA or necrosis it's good
i also want good bass

>>56976357
X2's tho

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Are these really as good as people say? I've been considering the HD598's but I've been reading a lot about how the SHP9500's sound better.

Can someone give me a comparison of what the main differences in sound are?

>>56983213
Meme50x are a good choice, but also consider the Sony MDR 1A which are comfier and less harsh imo, if you like instrumental and classical music and don't need a lot of bass (or just any bass since I don't think these can do bass at all) the Sennheiser HD598.

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>>56983391
>Sony MDR 1A
Well, that doubles my budget of 150$

>>56983213
Consider the M40x. A lot of people say they sound much better that the M50x's, and with the price difference you have money leftover for different pads and whatnot.

>>56983352
>Are these really as good as people say?
People coming from where? Where did you hear people say that this headphone is good?
>Can someone give me a comparison of what the main differences in sound are?
HD598 are warmer, that is to say that they emphasize bass.

>>56983631
>People coming from where? Where did you hear people say that this headphone is good?
z reviews, head fi, reddit and some other forum threads that show up on google when i search about them

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Anyone tried the new 500 series from sennheiser? What's it like? Can I finally be a cute 2d girl with these headphones?

>>56971559
pls respond

>Budget
~100
>Location
US
>Source
laptop/phone
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized
>Open or closed
Dunno. Something that doesn't leak. Don't usually like people hearing what i'm listening too.
>Comfort level
comfy. I've owned headphones that hurt after wearing, and I strongly dislike them
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral.

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>Budget
60$ usd
>Location
Chile
>Source
S7
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
Comfiest you can get, but willing to sacrifice over sound quality.
>Preferred tonal balance
either bassy or neutral.

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Hi /g/

I have pic related (ath-msr7) since 1 year now
The first 6 months nothing to say about it .
Great quality, comfy ...
but now it hurt me as soon as I put it more than 10 minutes.
its on the outline of my ears. i don't know what to do, loosen the headphone ? how ?
buy another?
Is it already happened to someone?

help me pls

>>56983346
I've been wanting to get those but I'm a poorfag atm. They're probably going to be my last pair for a few years.

>>56984408
are you putting them on backwards?

>>56984408
Best bet is to either get new pads or have books in between the cups and let them sit for several hours.

>>56984440
Should I get X2's or just get a used pair of X1's from Amazon? I've heard both are basically the same except for the predecessor have a little less soundstage and slightly less controlled bass.

>>56984465
e-e-e-eeh no

>>56984470
so buy new pads
i don't understand what will i do with books ?

>>56984643
Loosen the clamp if that's what's bothering you because of the outline on your ears.

>>56984667
how can i do this? i tried many times to put it on large things all night long but its always overtighten

>>56984722
Maybe keep them on another day or two. If you don't want to deal with that, the pad switch is probably the best solution.

>>56984744
i'll try thanks

>>56984758
No problem, senpai

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How is the bass on these? How does the bass compare to the AKG K702?

>>56984902
similar, akg has some peaks in treble making it overall a little more bass light. both have a sub bass roll off and a boosted midbass.

>Budget
~400
>Location
Canada
>Source
laptop/phone
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized
>Open or closed
Closed prefered, but either.
>Comfort level
Fairly comfy, something that could be worn for long study sessions without killing my ears
>Preferred tonal balance
I'm a bass slut.

>>56984408
Some people on the net said that
this https://www.amazon.com/Brainwavz-Velor-Memory-Replacements-Earpads/dp/B00MFDX4YO
can fit my ath msr7 , someone can validate it?

>>56984902
people say no bass, I don't know, I think it has jsut enough
558 sound similar but with more bass, but it is not as clear

>>56985751
ATH m50x vs Senheiser Momentum over-ear vs Vmoda crossfade m100?

>Source
Phone, laptop
>Comfort level
I want comfy, would wear them for at least 2 hours a day
>Preferred tonal balance
I don't really need bass, I want neutral / balanced headphones.

Working student, want to wear them on public transport/home/office. Got my first pay so I could afford any of these to make my days a bit better. I do 2 hours of commute each day. It would be nice if they lasted a year or two.

>>56985989
i had a momentum over ear and it's worst than my msr7 little pads and overtighten and imo too many bass

choose ath m50 if you don't want to take risk

and vmoda i dunno but i don't like the design =)

Why do people like the Audio-Technica ATH-M50xs ?

They squeeze the fuck out of my ears and sound tinny

So Im planning on getting a Sennheiser 600 HD for music/movies/gaming but I am unsure if I need to get a DAC/AMP.
I've got an Asus Maximus VIII Ranger motherboard which comes with a SupremeFX audio chip, it contains a shielded DAC and a built in amp that can go up to 600 ohms. The Sonic Studio II software built into the audio driver also detects the connected headphones and then sets the correct impedence level accordingly. It also has a de-pop relay and other kinds of audio implementations. Are these motherboard built in features good enough for those headphones or is it meme level and should I go got a seperate DAC/AMP?

>>56985989
If you want comfy then the M50x is the furthest thing you should be looking for.

Add the Soundmagic HP-150 and the NVX XPT100 on that list of yours.

>>56985751
Different ear-pads will change the sound signature of your headphones greatly.

>>56984902
>How is the bass on these?
Expert Sennheiser engineers developed HD598 so that it has a 100 Hz bump in the impedance curve, which causes the headphone's bass to sound either awful or simply decent depending on your audio source.
> How does the bass compare to the AKG K702?
HD598's bass is looser, definitely less accurate and overall unrefined compared to K702's bass. Most people will perceive it as being better than K702's because bleeding bass is good bass for them.

Do you want a honest opinion? If bass is your biggest concern, avoid open headphones unless you're willing to spend money for a planar magnetic headphone. Get a good closed headphone which can deal bass much better than any dynamic open headphone can. Beyerdynamic DT770 throws HD598 out of the window and it's cheaper.
Cheers!

>>56986158
I wouldn't trust mobo amps without published specs. I would at least get a discrete amp, but I tend to prefer external solutions simply because I can change mobos and systems and have a consistent experience.

>>56985476
DT770 80 Ohm

>>56985989
AKG K271 MKII
Sony MDR 7506

>>56986278
Start by defining "looser" and "undefined". Accuracy is dependent on the target where I generally seeing them being almost neck to neck with Sennheiser doing a bit better on DF:

>bleeding bass
??

>planar magnetic headphone
Nice transducer type meme. Fuck those pesky dynamics and their unrefined bass.

>>56986178
>>56986087
dang guys, everywhere I read they said that the m50xs were super comfy and good sound quality. I checked out lots of youtube videos, headfi and inner fidelity on them too.

Is this really that subjective or is there a lot of hype? Ill check out the hp and the nvx too i guess, fuck im already having analysis paralysis

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>>56986622
> start defining "looser" and "unrefined"
> calls planar unrefined
Wtf

Anyways, here are my definitions:
Loose: too powerful midbass related to midrange, thus causing bass to mix into other frequencies
Unrefined: partially a consequence of being loose, unrefined ia related to the bass being not balanced/regular. Compared to HD598, K702 has better bass because it has more powerful sub-bass and less invasive midbass

> Sennheiser doing a bit better on DF
Nobody cares.

>>56986285
What kind of a discrete amp would you suggest for the Sennheiser 600 HD?

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>>56983270

>>56986714
What about Philips SHP9500's bass? In comparison to the 598 and K702?

>>56986767
>What about Philips SHP9500's bass? In comparison to the 598 and K702?
Lacking compared to both

>>56986735
The Magni 2 or the O2. Some people prefer tube amps with the HD 600 but if you don't have an amp then you should probably just get a solid state one that won't introduce distortion audibly.

>>56986178

I checked the two you mentioned out, they drop out simply because of size. I wouldn't be caught wearing those in public, sorry.

>>56986714
>calls planar unrefined
i didn't

>too powerful midbass related to midrange
so just linear distortion, very poetic and nothing you wouldnt fix with eq

>it has more powerful sub-bass
i don't see/hear it

>less invasive midbass
buried under the treble peaks

>Nobody cares.
was an example of accuracy on one target. although im fairly sure harman would look more linear on the senns too with sub bass being equally rolled off on both and akg's having two peaks in highs.

>pic
nice flat amateur coupler. now lets see the sennheiser measured on it.

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>tfw AKG announced they'll stop headphone production in Austria and move it all to China

>>56986848
Not surprising, they've been doing fairly poorly in the broad market for a while now.

>>56986806
I checked and the Maximux VIII Ranger usses a TI RC4580 amplifier chip. Any idea if those are ny good?

>>56986919
Knowing just the opamp it uses doesn't tell me anything about its power delivery in total, really. I would need to see a list of power delivery to different loads (from 16-600 ohms) and ideally a FR graph.

>>56986848
So what?

>>56986835
Sennheiser HD598 is actually peakier than K702 in the treble. If anything, K702 has a recess at 4kHz and the best measurements of the K702 (not Goldenears!) don't show worrying peaks elsewhere.

>>56986956
Yeah I can't find those anywhere. Well I can always try it out first right? If I hear distortions and can't get the volume high enough I'll get a dedicated amp.

What about sound cards that contain onboard amps? Are they any good? Im asking because the O2 and the Magni 2 are >100 USD and I could get an Asus RoG soundcard in that case.

Why are these shitty boutique manufacturers still trying to push old, garbage orthodynamic transducer technology? It's only viable in a ribbon tweeter. Electrodynamics and electrostatics have long overtaken their tech.

It's not surprising the majority of ortho manufacturers have absolute trash tier QC and material quality, seems like only MrSpeakers can manage to make something half decent.

>>56987206
In general the onboard amps aren't as effective, however it's hard to judge without measurements. The external components are already understood and we have a generally good idea of how they perform, at least for the ones I mentioned.

You could always just wait and see how it performs, however you run a risk considering you don't know how the headphones should sound with adequate power. Without a reference point you may not actually know if the equipment is adequate or not. Just something to consider: Schitt products have a 15-day trial policy, so you could get it with the intention of effectively auditioning it to see if it outperforms your mobo amplifier.

My outdoors headphones just went out, need a new pair and open to suggestions.

>Budget
$400 flexible.
>Location
US
>Source
Phone, Bluetooth would be preferred.
>Preferred type of headphone
Full, I can't stand IEMs
>Open or closed
Closed. They'll be for walking and when I'm at the library/work so I don't want noise escaping.
>Comfort level
Max comfort, I want to be able to wear them 8 hours a day.
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral or warm.
>Past headphones
At home I use audio technica ad700x

>>56987365
I maybe asking a lot but do you have any idea if a Creative Sound Blaster Zx or an ASUS Essence STX II are any good?

>>56987525
I haven't owned or heard either but as far as DACs go they're both probably good based on their reputation. As for headphone amps I doubt they're comparable to a dedicated amp. Also I believe they only have increased power for the rear headphone connection, the lead to the front of the case would be low power.

>>56987669
Rear panel connection wouldnt be a problem but I'd rather get a good DAC/AMP combo than just an amp since I might aswell get a better DAC. It's just that I know very little about external dac/amp combo's.

>>56987817
Personally I wouldn't worry too much about the DAC, it will generally have the lowest distortion and noise floor of any component in this chain. As long as it supports the formats of audio you require and doesn't mess with it in some way (e.g. a bad DSP) then you should be fine.

>>56975176
>>56975729
>>56976656
http://www.mediafire.com/file/d9kb768up61eh3b/HD650+modifications.pdf

You guys are fucking clowns.

sup /hgp/ britbong here

found a pair of K7XX's for under £100 worth the impulse buy? currently on hd650's I want something with better soundstage for games

>>56988617
>I want something with better soundstage for games
retard

>>56988640
I want something with better soundstage.

>>56988799
retard

>>56989094
soundstage

Apparently they sell 2in1 o2/odac pieces now. When I bought mine you had to get them separately. Is this still the go to amp/dac? Honestly thinking about selling my two pieces for the combined one since it's so annoying to have the dac on my desk too.

>>56984275
anyone?

recommend me a nice/good/decent bluetooth headset for $30 - $50