Do you think it's possible to host something like 4chan

>>56944375
Yes
Give me a name and I'll start the logo

>>56944375
Yeah, but it would be shit experience.

>>56944375
that's already on the works, I forgot the name of the project though

with the platform, it wouldn't be an issue to host anything since everyone is hosting parts of it

>>56944375
Literally impossible. 4chan serves/processes media to a more than 200,000 users at any given moment.

No p2p kind of thing would be able to support 4chan without massive problems like users waiting hours to get content only 1 user may be hosting at 1kbps.

>>56944383
flushchan

>>56944422
This, you already see assholes in the ptg threads who go out of their way to leech.

>>56944383
CockChan

>>56944375
If you ever used H@H, you'd know that shit's slow as fuck.

>>56944422
Are you sure it's really impossible or just not possible at the moment?

>>56944442
Make it so you must seed your own posts for them to even appear. Shitposting will require that extra dedication.

>>56944521
not an issue if you seed as long as you're shitposting

>>56944375

le zeronet meme

>>56944521
the whole point of 4chan was to allow people to post without forcing them to go through a whole lot of effort registering an account.

let me be clear: it wasn't about giving people a veil of anonymity. 4chan complies fully with law enforcement efforts. if they were trying to protect "Anonymous" legions hur dur, then they would fight every subpoena to the bitter end. but they don't.

so, again, just to hammer the nail in fully: 4chan's unique feature is that it's easy to post. you don't need to generate a username and password. but you're not anonymous. not really.

given that, requiring everyone to join a swarm and seed their own posts is absolutely retarded. if you want to make this a whole niggardly ordeal, just set up a regular phpbb forum.

This is already a thing.

>what is overchan

>>56944563
I don't see the relevance. I don't have to sign into my torrent client with an account either, it just connects and works.

>>56944563
Not sure if you would need to seed your own post, maybe you would just need to seed what you're looking at the moment. Given there's always a decent number of people looking at anything at any given time. Maybe have reduce the amount of data by calculating the standart layout through some alogorythm.

Don't know what I'm talking about obviously, but maybe you get what I'm trying to say.

>>56944653
>maybe you would just need to seed what you're looking at the moment
you indeed don't know what you're talking about. the challenge of calculating availability would be too much - that would become its own bottleneck.

and that's saying nothing of the legal liability that you would face for forcing someone to serve child porn, copyrighted content, etc...

it's one thing if 4chan has copyrighted content or CP. they can be made aware of it and take it down. if you don't have an infrastructure to handle police and copyright holder complaints, you won't get DMCA safe harbor protection, and you'll face prosecution for any bad thing that someone puts on the forum.

i wouldn't even feel comfortable hosting a small arbitrary slice of facebook, and you're talking about that proposition for 4chan.

>>56944483
At the moment, it is impossible

>>56944722
Doesn't Tor work that way kinda?

nntp-overchan

>>56944888
>no pictures

>>56944888
Zeronet / zerochan

>>56944928
There an i2p link for that?

>>56944420
Sia?

Mfw i invested in this before 1.0 release at 0.000000050. Literally already multiplied my investment by 120.

>>56944422
>users waiting hours to get content only 1 user may be hosting at 1kbps

oh no! the images for that one user's posts won't load quickly enough! all of 4chan will be ruined forever!

literally who gives a fuck
most people who use 4chan have enough bandwidth to load and share images so it should be good enough

>>56944722
dude you're fucking retarded, calculating availability is easy on an imageboard.

The real issue is authentication, how do you trust which users are able to add new posts to the swarm

>>56945098
It's on zeronet not i2p

>>56945195
So it's shit?

>>56945215
Basically, but it's a proof of concept.

>>56945195
Those are not the same thing. You can run Zeronet over i2p.

>all these armchair experts ITT saying it's impossible
Distributed social networks are literally being developed right now using blockchain technology. Read a fucking news article.

>>56945257
They all are centralized, one central body controls the posts on the forum. We need a truly decentralized chan

>>56945288
>They are all centralized
I suggest you look up the words "distributed" and "blockchain".

http://akasha.world/

>>56945315
holy shit kill yourself

>>56945330
You first.

>>56944800
Read about people who've run TOR exit nodes. Nobody reports it being easy. They're basically focal points for legal investigations.

>>56945340
Link me an explanation of how it works.

>>56945193
>dude you're fucking retarded, calculating availability is easy on an imageboard.
I don't think you understand what I'm talking about. Determining who'll be staying (and can continue hosting) vs who's leaving is literally impossible to predict perfectly. If someone just bounces and stops browsing a thread and they were the only person "serving" that thread, there's no way to recover it.

this is a disastrous way to host a forum. just run a shitty phpbb forum, you overcomplicating faggots.

>>56945257
i only see one person saying it's impossible. I'm saying it's possible, but utter folly. if you run a website, you want to be able to delete content. blockchain ledgers don't allow for that. so you either need to very tightly constrain what can be added (like bitcoin's blockchain) or deal with attacks because people can arbitrarily add whatever they want (like ethereum).

>>56945373
You're small minded, all you need to do is save a small amount of space on the users HDD and add that to the swarm. If the user comes across content that isn't well seeded in the swarm replace an item in local storage with that content, then begin seeding

>>56945400
>all you need to do is save a small amount of space on the users HDD and add that to the swarm
this is basically seeding, which we know is not a perfect system, and you're asking people to store whatever data the algorithm decides on their computer.

are you telling me you're willing to take a random slice of 5 GB of content on 4chan? that includes /b/, /pol/ /g/, etc...

when some autist has a tantrum about apple threads and starts posting child porn to shock/outrage people, those images will be hosted by you and others like you who have offered to host.

this is why you should go ask people who operate TOR exit nodes what their experiences are like. it's not a walk in the park. they get subpoenaed all the goddamn time. this is what you should expect.

>>56945373
4chan content is already considered volatile.

>>56945177
Most people who use 4chan nowadays are browsing /pol/ and /b/ from fucking tablet, you fucking idiot.
I don't mind fucking them over nonetheless.

>>56945435
>are you telling me you're willing to take a random slice of 5 GB of content on 4chan? that includes /b/, /pol/ /g/, etc...
Nope that's the main issue, whose content is allowed on the network

>this is basically seeding, which we know is not a perfect system
what did he mean by this
>and you're asking people to store whatever data the algorithm decides on their computer.
Yeah, that's the price of admission to the site, helping host it

>>56945400
>grab bagging a GB of 4chan content

The nigger skittles comes to mind.

Is this the internet version of Russian Roulette?

>>56945349
IPFS protocol allows for permanent distributed file storage (assuming there's always a host somewhere who has the file cached)
Ethereum is a new blockchain format, which from what I can tell they would use to verify ownership of posts.

>>56945582
I know how both of them work.

Explain how they turned them into a decentralized social network

>>56944420
>>56944422
>>56944442
>>56944521
>>56944538
>>56944653
>>56945177
>>56945257
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>>56945400
RIP Australians

>>56945537
It's a yuge problem, but if you found a way to prevent abuses of it you have a completely decentralized chan

>>56945606
people with <100Mbps are not allowed to post

>>56945597
>create post
>create IPFS hash of post
>include hash in ethereum transaction
>hash is distributed through blockchain to all peers
>interested users open the file using the hash
>file is cached on their machines
>content based addressing means peers who open the file later will grab it from the nearest/highest quality peer who already has it

>>56944375
It could be hosted on Maidsafe network.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlW2-yV6Cmc#t=0m55s

>>56945638
What if I was a spammer who wanted to fill the network with links to dickpills, how does the network prevent that?

There's 0chan on ZeroNet
https://zeronet.io/

once installed and running point your browser to http://127.0.0.1:43110/0chan.bit/?/b/

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>>56944375
graffiti.

>>56945655
not him, but since such a network is hosted by its peers, it might be possible for peers to have a blacklist of bad peers, preventing the storage and hosting of data from those peers

at the very least, this will be enough to prevent storing and seeing stuff you don't want to see, which should be enough

if this became a thing, there would likely be an adblock-like list of bad peers people could easily subscribe to

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>>56944383
Maki-chan

>>56945947
How do you determine what goes on the blacklist?

You're either
-trusting a centralized source of bad userids or IP addresses
-relying on croudsourced blacklists
If you're relying on your users to identify which posts/users should be blocked you're open to the open the possibility of people exploiting this to remove content they don't like

>>56944375
Look, it's possible, but who moderates the posts?
What's to stop someone from just sending a post with their ad, or an URL of their website?
What's to stop a man from /d/ posting a picture to /pol/, or vice versa?
On Bitcoin you can impose rules, because you're talking about numbers. 4chan includes human language and computer-unreadable images, so imposing rules is very difficult.

Maybe a collective moderation, voting system? Hmmmm... where have I seen that one before?

>>56944375
yes
using bittorrent sync
we divide each using folders and each thread have its own txt file or word file, just append if you want to post

>>56946016
the same could be said for malware/ad blocklists

>>56944521
>no more third worlders or australians
Glorious.

>>56944383

Fagetchan

EdgeChan

>>56944375
>Do you think it's possible to host something like 4chan in a decentralized manner, maybe something like a torrent-network?


Yes. It's called ZeroNet.

>>56944375
IPFS

>>56946305
>>56946340
explain fags

>>56947047

>explain

https://zeronet.io/

>>56944375
Just completely democratize moderation.

Everyone gets one report to use a day.

If a user's post is reported once, that user's cooldowns are doubled for the day.
If a user's post is reported twice, their post is deleted and its hash is banned from the network.
If a user's post is reported three times, all their posts from that day are deleted, and they're banned for a week.

>>56947172

If this is system is automated, all of 4chan can be brought down with a perl script reporting everybody. BAN ALL THE IPs!

>>56947160
That's a network, not an imageboard

>>56947342
You'd need some kind of anonymous identity verification hybrid and tweak things so it balanced out right.

Maybe like this--
Everyone gets one report per day.

When you report a post, it gets "flagged for review by the community."

A flagged post is greyed/blurred and can be voted on by anyone for action.

After some sample of votes has been collected, action is taken (delete, ban, etc.)

>>56947362

You're thinking about it backwards.

Reporting everyone 3x means nobody can post (because the system banned them).

>>56947379

I like this.

It's sort of how HN moderates, except that there's no "flagged for review" thing - posts get progressively greyed out.

>>56947379
how do you stop an attacker from generating many identities to mass report something

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>>56947172
we don't need no mods or anything. even with anontalk spam and sagebombs captchaless 4chan was ten times better. but you newfags would trade freedom for security anyday.

>>56947457
You'd need a kind of portcullis where people are anonymous inside the network, but not at the gate.

Connect to network gatekeeper that has banned all known VPNs, suspicious activity, etc.
Any IP+MAC address can get one new ID token per week.
The ID token is immediately disconnected from your IP/no records are stored.
You use your ID token to log in.
If you're banned, you have to wait a week to get a new token.

>>56947531
>no records
Yeah keep believing

>>56946016
Couldn't you just have some like report button and everything that goes beyond a certain threshold is removed?