/pcbg/ - PC Building General: Replying to posts is fucked edition

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A few example gaming builds for particular purposes (criticism welcome).
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/

>>56926281
I posted last thread $2200 pc 40 lb case.

I wasn't trolling I was serious.

Would Newegg take back the whole box and at least partially reimburse me I don't even care anymore clearly I'm too stupid for this.

Can I just RMA "I changed my mind"?

I'll ask a friend of mine to pick up the box.

>>56926419
That pic is a mining operation, isn't it?

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>>56926499
>prebuilt

Sell it back. Build inside pic related.

>>56926682
Yeah, most definitely.

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>>56926682
Yep

Where can I learn about doing a custom watercooling loop?

>>56926790
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=custom+water+loop+guide

>>56926701
No, I... I intended to.

I can't lift or do much of anything since back surgery a year ago. I didn't take this into account.

I fell for the logicalincrements meme and bought the highest quality case available since I read in here that you don't want to skimp on the case from Newegg at the time, but it weighs 40 pounds and is huge and I have nowhere to put it. It's been in my yard for 3 days.

It was $2200 because of all the high end parts. After all that's why you don't buy prevails right they skimp on quality?

I guess what I'm saying is just let me have my laptop and xbox.

>>56926928

Wait, what? I didn't see your post in the other thread so I don't exactly know what's going on. So you can't even carry it inside because your back is fucked up?

>>56926978
Yeah

I mean it's been 10 years since I've del with a full size desktop I forgot how heavy they are.

Everybody always says it's just like Legos so I didn't put much thought into it. I finally got a great job and I was going to build the amazing machine I always wanted.

I'm about to order this: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/qsvTM8
Talk me out of it /g/entlemen

>>56927091

So what's the problem then? Just have your friend move it for you or return your mobo and case and go with mini itx.

>>56927093
I mean, it's your (mom's) money

>>56927093
Are you going to be rendering two 1080p videos while running 4 VMs and playing Crysis 3 on Ultra? Because unless you are having an i7 6700k and that huge ass cooler is not worth it.

>>56927093
Im not sure you have enough case fans, you should add a couple of more just to be sure.

Same anon from a while ago, friend is ready to buy the pc, and I wanted to know if this was good. (already have an HDD/SSD for him)

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/3FxXRG

is the NZXT Source 210 Elite a good case btw?

>>56927324
>an HDD/SSD
What it is tho

Can someone give me a quick explanation on what it means to be grounded, and how to 'ground' yourself?

>>56927324
Looks good

>>56927324
Looks good but I don't know how well the i3 will age. GPU is a lot easier to swap out than CPU later down the line.

Looks very good value though.

>>56927355
Connection to the ground/earth. Prevents buildup of static electricity that can very rarely fry your components

>>56927335
got the SSD for 45 bucks on sale
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/gf98TW/a-data-internal-hard-drive-asp550ss3240gmc

and the HDD I just reused from my other pc.
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/C4zv6h/toshiba-internal-hard-drive-dt01aca100

>>56927223
Exactly what I expected

>>56927226
The i7 6700k is around 100 bucks more than an i5 6600k, so why not?

>>56927267
Case comes with only one 140mm in the back, which I'm looking to replace. One in the back, one on top. Unreasonable?

>>56927371
I was thinking of getting a z170 board for the future, considering the budget is 580 max, but idk just yet, he said hes going to buy it soon.

>>56927418
I don't know if there's much point in planning on upgrading a CPU, in my experience it never really happens - especially when it's somebody elses PC.

Is he looking to keep it for a long time and slowly upgrade to keep up or do a whole new build every few years?

>>56927418
You might consider it because you can get one for another $30. Depends on whether you're/he's going to bother to OC

>>56927415
>i7
You're asking me why you shouldn't waste a 100 bucks on a product with features you will never use? Also that cooler, you trying to get meme'd?
>Fans
So instead of actually buying a case with fans decent fans you buy an overpriced hunk of meme and stuff in two fans you buy yourself?

>My system only draws 390 watts at best
>Better get a 660 watt platinum rated PSU!

Im sorry anon but the other guy was right, this just screams "babbies first build, sponsored by mommy"

>>56927471
>>56927495
on another note, cant I just use the b150 board for a 6600k/6700k (if it ever comes to that)

if they dont plan on over clocking, i dont need a z170?

But that raises another question, they might not need to upgrade to those, like for instance, at most the 6500/7500?

Time for a completely new PC, is it decent enough /g/?
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/RGtjnn

>>56927536
Yes, you can just throw a 6600 or something in later on, don't get the K if it's not the Z chipset though (i've heard the 6500 is better value than the 6600 if you're not doing an OC).

By the time they're looking to upgrade things could have accelerated so far ahead that there's no way to upgrade from where they are and have to throw it all out and start again. I don't personally like to plan builds around upgrading much but I do have friends who have very successfully done it but have always upgraded the motherboard and cpu together.

>>56927536
The i5 7500 will probably be enough of an upgrade. Cannonlake (after Kaby) is supposed to be on 7nm, so probably better to just buy a new rig when the i5 7500 is outdated. But obviously the most longevity can be had by overclocked CPUs, especially considering the tiny percentage performance increases from gen to gen and the large performance increase gained by overclocking current Intel CPUs. That's why the i5 2500K is still fine. Not good, but fine.

>>56927548
It's fine except for the 1080. Either SLI 1070s (not recommended) or wait for the 1080Ti in January. Considering you're at 144Hz I'd say 1080Ti.

do any of you have ideas on what the best fan spliters/headers are? Currently I have more fans than my mobo has space for.

1 front intake, 2 top intake, 2 for push/pull on CPU cooler, 1 rear out.

How long will an i5 6600k and GTX 1070 combo last me? I don't want to have to change anything until the whole thing is totally out of date.

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>>56927508
>hunk of meme
Fuck, why did I laugh

>>56927508
If you want a future proof build that's going to last you a few years, the i7 6700k is your best choice right now. For the PSU it's the same deal. I want a future proof one that's going to allow upgrades like SLI and is going to last me several years. I picked the case based on aesthetics, same for the cooler and the fans. Oh and by the way, not everyone on /g/ is a jobless poorfag

>>56927739
It's impossible to predict, there's no real way to answer this question. if you NEED it to last for as long as possible then maybe you're not in the best financial position to buy the PC and should look at something cheaper.

>>56927657
I bought a $4 fan splitter on newegg
The damn chinks should have it here on 2 weeks

>>56927739
Pretty fucking long, unless games suddenly take a drastic graphical launch then you're good for anything except 4K or 144hz 1440p, the 6600k is about as good as it gets without features making the performance boost and it seems that CPU tech isn't going anywhere anytime soon

>>56927754
I'd rather not skimp and have something marginally better than my Xbox One. I have money, I just don't like to piss it away.
>>56928018
Probably 1440p at the most. By the time the system becomes too out-of-date, I'm sure 4k will be standard along with computers capable of handling it.

>>56927739
Probably about the same, depending on your use the 1070 will become outdated first

Are Seagate's SSD as bad as their HDDs or are they actually decent?

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I'm going to buy this.

>>56928792
>Are Seagate's SSD as bad as their HDDs or are they actually decent?
No one knows because no one buys their SSDs lolololol

Serious though this is a good question.

>>56928880
>500GB SSD
>No HDD
You spend all your money and you skimp out on the space for games?

>>56928898
500gb is enough for games. I'm getting mechanical storage later. 2 HGST 4TB drives in RAID1. I'm not letting those incompetent UPS clowns handle my mechanical storage for obvious reason.

>>56928911
>500GB is enough for games
Not anymore unless you play very few games or just install/uninstall them regularly.

>>56928924
the latter

Is it worth bumping up to the X99 platform from Z170 for digital art and graphic design work, aka Photoshop and Illustrator and shit.

Aka, is it something I could justify as a work-related tax write off?

>>56928880
Kind of shitty getting a syringe of AS5 for one system, but I am also not a fan of Corsair's pre-applied thermal compound. In the end it probably makes little difference though if you want to save a few bucks and a few minutes of cleaning. (Cleaning is actually a pain. Everyone swears by isopropyl alcohol, although it's actually pretty shitty for dissolving thermal material; it just happens to not leave a residue and evaporates fast.)

RAM seems a bit pricey. I got the exact same 3200C16D 16GB kit back at the beginning of the year for less. Shop around.

Likewise for the CPU. I've seen it as low as $288 recently.

PSU is a bit overkill for a single GPU system and that gold rating adds like $50 to the price.

>>56926499
>Would Newegg take back the whole box and at least partially reimburse me I don't even care anymore clearly I'm too stupid for this.
>Can I just RMA "I changed my mind"?
Worst case scenario is a restocking fee, but yes, generally they will take back unopened stuff.

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>>56928924
>play 2 games at the most
>one online, one single-player
>uninstall when done
>keep save files in case I want to play it again
I never return to it anyway. Life is too short, there is too much fun shit out there for me to experience instead of replaying the same game all over again.

>>56926682
not a very good one

>>56928924
>>500GB is enough for games
>Not anymore unless you play very few games or just install/uninstall them regularly.
Seriously, I just recently got back into gaming and fuuuuuck are games xbox hueg now (which is an ironic meme to use since modern consoles that are considered normal sized are just as large as the supposed huge xbox original).

>>56928950
I'm getting another 1080 when I can afford it hence the high powered PSU. This year I build the machine next year I upgrade it to 4K. I have other expenses to worry about in the mean time.

And yeah with my last experience with installing a watercooling block was a pain in the ass. I kept having to pull it off and reapply paste. That tube of AS5 I was using a couple years ago to do that I actually bought in 2007. I think it's time to replace it.

>>56927749
You will never get SLI and you will never upgrade anything in there beyond 400 watts.

Babby's first build.

Oh fuck me.

I just replaced my PSU. I went from a defective Cooler Master piece of shit to a Seasonic M12II.

I booted up for the first time and it hung on the Windows 10 loading screen. The black one with the spinning white dots. No matter how long I waited it would not get passed that screen.

I went into BIOS and saw that it was only detecting 10GB of RAM instead of 12. During the rewiring I popped one of the sticks out to see what make and model it was and hadn't put it back in all the way. I turned off the computer, reseated it and it booted up fine.

So it worked perfectly for a few hours. I even turned off and on halfway through and booted up just fine. But I just opened Speccy and the computer froze. This had happened a few days ago as well. After waiting a while I restarted the computer. Now it gets stuck on the exact same screen.

What the fuck gives.

The Cooler Master was 850w, the Seasonic is only 620. I did the calculator thing and my rig was estimated to require 500w, so I figured 620 was enough. Is it low wattage that is fucking me up?

So what's the difference between AM1 and other AMD sockets in terms of coolers?
Many boards have two holes for mounts, but mine has 4.
Could I put a proper cooler on an AM1 socket if it has 4 mounting holes?

>>56929292
>AM1 socket
Jesus christ how old is your PC?

>>56929274

OK so it just booted into Windows it just took a long ass fucking time.

All these people saying that k series chips make no sense in a non z170 board. You do realize that they are clocked higher out of the box right? I'm running a 6600k on a b150 $60 mobo and it's great. I5 6500 isn't even faster than a 2500k OCd which are $100 on ebay $250 for mobo/cpu/ram combos

>>56929330
7 days

>get a GTX1080 for free
>have no idea how to build a desktop

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>>56927508
Not him, but I`ve never understood the vigilant nature of getting as low of a power supply as necessary. I`m not running around buying 1kW PSU`s, but they`re almost always most efficient at 50% load. The constant meming about power draw, and electrical cost yet "don`t get more wattage than necessary" are completely contradictory.

If you want to be most efficient, your best bet is to in fact have twice the supply than what you actually need. Besides, it doesn`t actually cost that much more for a decent 650w 80+ gold versus a 500W 80+ bronze. Sure, it`s 75% more expensive, but it only amounts to 30$ in actuality. But maybe I`m missing something here.

Oh, and I will agree 100% that platinum rating is a joke.

>>56929274
>>56929354

Restarted and Windows booted in the normal slow ass HDD timeframe.

I dunno what the fucks going on.

>>56929418
WAH SUGOI!

GIVE IT TO ME!!

>>56927620
No, it`s going to be on 10nm. Intel`s roadmap puts the next die shrink at 10nm, and they`re struggling to get it. You`re thinking of AMD that will most likely be jumping from 14nm to 7nm, seeing as IBM/Samsung/Glofo had a working 7nm SiGe chip a year ago with slated commercial viability at 2018.

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Would you buy it, lads?

>>56929491
Updates?
My computer with 8.1 doesn't tell me if its updating on startup, I just get the black screen, white dots and Windows metro logo for a few minutes

>>56929483
So then why is gold not a joke? Is titanium a joke? For that matter, brinze must be a joke too
80+ no-metal master race

>>56929074
I get it man, you're edgy and hate the earth and love psus with shitty efficiency

>>56929418
Read guides, check out pcpartpicker for compatability.
Newer i5 or i7 processor, 8 or 16gb of ddr3/4 ram with a quality case, PSU and motherboard

Ask anons here for part advice and prices.
Building isn't hard, remembering compatability is the only hard part.

>>56929520

Last update was four days ago, and it wouldn't happen twice in one day.

>>56929517
No. Shitty PSU, can't sli.

>>56929074
While it's indeed my first build I don't get your negativity about it. How about a little constructive critiscm? You don't know if I'll ever do SLI or upgrade at all. Just like you assumed I'll never really use the i7 6700k. For all you know I could be video editing/encoding/rendering.

Babbies first post.

>>56929552
>Seasonic
>bad
>sli
>with a micro
>thinking you're going to need to SLI anything in the future with the 1080ti and others coming down the pipeline

lmao

Babby's first advice

Fuck off faggot

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Tell me, /g/ents, is air or water cooling better? Hwo do you choose which way you go?

I've building a new PC and have always used fans. I plan on using noctua fans this time and EVO 212 for CPU but I wonder if I should dip my toes into water cooling at some point.

What are some of the pros and cons and which one do you prefer?

Thank you kindly!

>>56929551
see
>>56929562

>the whole website is fucked

>>56929377
I'm sorry, I thought that AM1 was a precursor to AM3/AM3+ which is pretty old already.
Ignore my post.

>>56929562
Exactly as I said.

Can't SLI on an ITX mobo.

That makes it shit in an ATX mid tower.

Seasonic is fucking dogshit. ROFL.

Fucking mongoloid can't read.

>>56926281
How do you build a Libreboot compatible PC? What parts are compatible?

>>56929691
>can't SLI on an ITX mobo
Fuck you you're not my real dad.

>>56929691
>Can't SLI on an ITX mobo.
But you can with the GTX Titan Z and the GTX 690. Those cards are two GPUs in SLI on the same board. That's why higher-end Z-chipset ITX boards are SLI rated.

>>56929292
What motherboard do you have? Iirc the standard 2 hole mount fits a 60x60mm square. Not sure if anything is actually compatible out of box off hand. You shouldn`t need more than the arctic alpine cooler, though. Unless you plan on just thrashing it with heavy overclocks.

>>56929274
>>56929491

Well it's not a power issue. My GPU is an overclocked 7970 which is a power hungry bitch and playing GTA V on my usual settings didn't crash anything.

So I dunno what the fucks happening.

>>56929691
SLI is the only thing that's shit here
Telling people to do it for aesthetics is one thing but don't tell me you fell for it

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>>56929893
>worried about aesthetics
>wants to buy a mini-itx and shove it into an ATX mid tower

Really boggles my mind

>>56929532
After a quick look, the prices for platinum and titanium PSUs has dropped significantly since I last looked. But I would argue that you`re entering the territory of diminishing returns. Beyond gold which is already 92% efficient at 50% load. Platinum is 94%, and titanium is 96%. Lowest priced titanium on newegg starts at 150$. It`s your money, though. Do with it what you will. I`m just voicing an opinion. I personally am not willing to spend more than ~100$ on a PSU, which you can get a nice FSP Group 450-750w gold full modular in the price range of 75-100$ You could pay more or less depending on company, quality, and features.

I`m fond of the hydro series for their high quality builds, full modularity, efficiency, silence and competetive pricing. Only model I would say is a bad deal is the 450w. You can also find the 650 and 750w models for ~80$ from time to time.

>>56930072
Seasonic makes 600+w bronze modulars for $60, I saw a platinum one for $80 a few days ago
I bought my gold rated overkill PSU (because I'm not an idiot that falls for /g/ memes) for $80

>>56930124
Yeah, bronze is plenty fine on it`s own. It all depends on your budget and what you`re willing to spend. Looking now, the cheapest seasonic platinum on newegg is 100$ for 400W. Looking at about 120$ for a decent 650W.

I`m currently using a 650w FSP hydro I picked up for something like 75$ It`s technically meant for another build, but I`m using a bunch of stuff as I collect parts. Might just keep this for myself, and get something like that seasonic bronze for the other build.

>>56929626
>4chan is kill
>'no'

What's the benefit of having WiFi pci card over an USB one, other than not taking a USB slot?

If I put the PC on a table and wear tennis shoes is it safe to build standing on carpet?

>>56926419
i3 sucks dicks

source: I have one

>>56930298
Better sustained data rates, but standard PCI adds a lot of latency iirc not sure about PCIE. Best thing overall is to get an ethernet bridge.

>>56930305
No, you must be 100% naked on a static free hard floor with an anti static band tethered to ground.

You could roll around on the carpet in freshly dried linens and still be more likely to damage your components by mishandling them. But yes, wearing shoes would greatly reduce the chances of static build up. So would being barefoot.

>>56930305
Shuffle your feet on the carpet then rub a balloon on your head. You have to immediately grab the motherboard or else the anti-static effects will disappear.
Ask any computer technician, its a ritual.

>>56930323
Explain

Can i contact our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ with this?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/g8dpKZ

>>56930483
Calm down NASA.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B012IBPPWG/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B012N6EW6G/
Aren't these 2 motherboards the same? Am I missing something?

>>56930535
Wrong alphabet soup, but okay.

Say I wanted to budget to 50k from what I'm at now, what would be the best to replace/remove?

>>56930588

The yellow one has two more SATA ports.

>>56930604
You're clearly taking the piss, but drop the GPUs. If you're doing anything other than gaming or graphics-related shit it doesn't serve any use.

>>56930412
Well I was already planning to be mostly naked desu just in case.

My whole house is carpeted because the previous owner was retarded I guess. I'm pretty sure a carpeted kitchen violates some kinda fire code.

I'm picking up on your sarcasm but why do all build guides go turbo autistic about no loose close wrist strap at all time antistatic mat fully grounded etc. if its all bullshit?

>>56930604
This is more for your taste, and its under budget!

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/qvnZcc

>>56930687
They make 300 dollar PSUs? Jesus.

>>56930588
The black-and-gold UD5 is better because it has two Intel NICs, not the shitty Killer E2200 (which is just a Broadcomm NIC that offloads most of the work onto the CPU). You can team them so you get larger bandwidth on a local network. The extra two SATA ports from the ASMedia controller is a bit sketchy, but at least Gigabyte isn't overloading the poor thing with twice the number of ports it was meant to handle concurrently (I'm looking at you, ASRock).
The UD5 also tends to be cheaper, although that GAMING5 board is on a really good sale right now.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/GD8W4C

How'd I do guys? 1070 is in the mail atm, last piece

>>56930737
Please tell me you got the 8350 and mobo second hand

Your 1070 is going to be chilling at the beach with a nubile cabana boy

>>56930758
8350 is from previous machine, mobo was upgrade from last one. Whats wrong with it? I'm pretty new to building pcs

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>>56930644
>carpeted kitchen

>>56930758
>>56930778

If games weren't so shit at optimization, the 8350 won't bottleneck your rig.

For instance, Witcher 3, you see the cheaper i3 6100 (8350's "rival") almost at 95% usage, while the 8350 pulls around 40-80%, and has a much higher fps.

But lets say for instance, gta 5. Some might say "Well, gta 5 is a good port, and the 8350 is shit." But thats just not true, when you look at the benchmark tool, its not fully utilized, yet it gets ass raped by the i3.

Most of the time in games i3>8350.

But in games such as the witcher 3 or the new deus ex, you should see it preform much better.


Still should of got the 6500

>>56930644
It`s technically proper form, most of the people doing those guides will at one point admit to never adhering to said guidelines outside of their videos. Computer components used to be extremely sensitive to static discharge. I remember old apples in particular (probably other systems as well, but I was 6 at the time) You had to actually ground yourself on something like a metal chair prior to turning it on. Otherwise you had a high chance of not only getting shocked yourself, but actually frying the components.

Pretty much something that while not entirely necessary as standard practice anymore has just stuck. Kind of like only doing one turn on each screw for your CPU cooler until snug. This was originally highly necessary because CPUs were exposed and bare. Tightening one corner all the way down before doing the others would result in you destroying your chip. Now it`s just good practice to ensure an even fit on the IHS.

Also an easy way to get people to buy stupid shit like anti static bands.

>>56930716
The gaming board also lacks the 2x copper PCB that the UD3 and UD5 boards get. Best bet with gigabyte is to always get their ultra durable series.

>>56930867
So I basically need to get an intel mobo and a intel cpu to not bottleneck my build? Any other amd chips I could get instead?

>>56930887
If you have an 8350, as I see it (which you should talk with a salt shaker) you have two (three) options.

1. overclock

2. get a new mobo + cpu, and most likely new RAM

3. hope devs fix their shit.

>>56930887
Wait for Zen.

>>56930884
>Computer components used to be extremely sensitive to static discharge.

My Dad is an extremely old school computer guy and when I recently built a computer for him I did it sitting at a glass table on a carpeted floor, barefoot. When he saw that I was touching his extremely expensive components while on a carpeted floor he almost had a heart attack. To reassure him I explained that I kept my feet on the crossbar of the metal frame holding the glass table top, but I really didn't do that lol.

>>56930909
>wait

Don't fall for the meme.

>>56930887
>not bottleneck my build
Every CPU can bottleneck every GPU depending on what you do with the PC.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/4GWHWX
1070+6500 or 1060+6600k for gaymen? Playing mirrors edge, bf1, and other bullshitingly difficult games to run

>>56930922
>saving your money and waiting to see if a competitor offers a better or cheaper product is a meme

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>>56930884
Gigabyte's Gaming series are just a tinsel-laden mass market-appeal board for gaymer and people with looser wallets than sense. The UDX series are much more consistent with build quality, better features (not just more and not just for marketing), and usually have a higher margin for overclocking.

They also look better in their current color scheme and you can find some killer paracords to match the sleeving to your motherboard.

>>56930947

For 1080p? 1060 for sure. With the 1070 you'd be maxing games out getting ridiculous framerates you won't even use.

Besides, a good CPU is going to stay relevant longer than a good GPU. Getting the 6600k now gives you more room to grow.

>>56930990
Can confirm have 1070 and 1080p and my frames are ridiculous.
Like 200 in high graphics games and constant 300+ in movie graphics mode in war thunder

>>56930887
An FX-6750

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Is this build fine for light gaming (i.e. FFXIV/TES IV), watching movies/anime, general shitposting with the occasional image editing done once in a blue moon?
I think the PSU may be a bit overkill based on comments earlier in the thread but, I have literally no clue what I'm doing and am just basing my parts choice on Logical Increments, so pls no bully.
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/J9NRVY

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>Got $80 in mail in rebates
>didn't buy a printer to print them with

>>56931022
>>56930990
Got it senpai, thanks

>>56931078
wait, why would you print the mail in rebates?

>>56931086
Alternatively, buy a 1440p monitor. 1070 can probably hold 60-100 fps at least

So whats the story on thermal paste.

"only a pea sized dot!"
"an X!"
"apply barely any!"
"apply liberally!"
"spread it to ensure no bubbles!"
"squirt that shit on and plop the heatsink!"

All heard in the computer building tutorials I've watched this past month.

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http://pcpartpicker.com/list/4W46QV

Will this play 1080p anime and 720p games on low graphics?

>>56931072
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/J9NRVY

1) You dont need an aftermarket cooler, the i3 already comes with one

2) get an Rx 470 gpu for just a little bit higher, its much better then the gts 960

3) PSU is kind of overkill, you can save some money, but I wouldnt go too cheap

>>56931105
1070 is perfect for 1440p.

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>>56931110
It's unecessary

>>56931110
You want as thin a coating on the whole cooler/CPU as possible (whichever is smaller because you'll waste paste otherwise). Put a small amount first, spread with a credit card or like material, and repeat until you have a satisfactory coating that you can't see through at all.

>>56931110
Pea sized dot in the middle, it will spread evenly across the center, although it will miss some of the corners, having too little is usually worse than having too much.

>"apply barely any!"
>"apply liberally!"
>"spread it to ensure no bubbles!"
>"squirt that shit on and plop the heatsink!"

what the fuck did you watch?

>>56931072
For a PSU, I'd recommend the EVGA 500 W1. It supplies enough wattage for your system for half the price.

With the money you saved, you could go from a GTX 960 to a 1060 3GB.

>>56931148
>what the fuck did you watch?

Everything I'm pretty sure.

>>56931148
>having too little is usually worse than having too much.

having too much it worse than having too little*

>>56930887
You could just overclock your current CPU, the 8370 is a top binned chip with basically the same clocks, and the 9590 is a factory overclocked 8370. Just hang tight with what you have for now to see what zen has to offer. Either way you`d have to get a new motherboard and cpu. If the performance or price aren`t to your liking, by all means go with intel.

>>56930917
Sounds about right. You would think the components would actually be more sensitive as they get smaller and more tightly packed, but they all have built in ESD protection anymore.

>>56930947
If you have even the slightest desire to overclock, just go with the 6600k. Which coincidentally is what BF1 has listed as a minimum requirement.

>>56930966
Precisely, do they actually make UD GPUs anymore? I don`t think I`ve seen one since the HD7000 series.

>>56931022
No you fucking don`t. http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_1070_g1_gaming_review,12.html

>>56931110
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Thermal-Paste-Application-Techniques-170/

TL;DR it doesn`t really matter as long as you don`t have electrically conductive paste, or use too little. But X shape is the best, with smooth spread in second, and rice sized dot in third (tied with happy face) Was a grand total of a 2C spread under load between all methods tested.

>>56931141

Thanks we'll see.

Kinda want my parts to hurry up and get here because I'm freaking out.

Best dota 2 monitor?

>>56931180
>Which coincidentally is what BF1 has listed as a minimum requirement.

What the fuck? Why is the 6600k listed WITH the Fx 6350 as minimum?

Is moar cores really not a meme anymore?

>>56931180
I only play two of those games but you better believe it. War thunder might be an exception but I play it a lot so it matters

Guys, what the fuck is going on with GPU prices?

Especially the RX-480/470.

I'm trying to get a 470 4G that's been OC'd to 1300 or so, but it's a fucking nightmare to find one that's not 480 pricing tier.

The fuck is going on?

>>56931263
Shortages, probably

>>56931263

Demand exceeds supply so prices are high.

>>56931263
RX-480s cost more than GTX 1060s where I live lmao.

>>56931268
>>56931271
>>56931297
Christ, at this rate, I'm going to call it quits and wait till christmas.

All I want is to be able to play ARMA 3 Tanoa on High settings so foliage can be lush as hell without killing my frames past 30 or so.

I'm fixing to get the 90 buck 460 and call it quits.

>>56931333
>I'm fixing to get the 90 buck 460 and call it quits.

And this is why I need to stop talking on steam while posting on /g/, I keep losing track of what I'm saying.

>>56931333
>Arma 3
That's actually why I want to build a new PC.
I've been watching Dsylecxi a fair bit and would like to join ShackTac, but my current computer is way to old to run the game well even on lowest settings.

>>56931210
Not really sure. If it makes you feel any better, Forza Horizon 3 has the 8350 listed as minimum with an i5 4460.

>>56931263
Where do you live? All are in stock, and the most expensive one is the XFX black edition for 220$. Which only has a 1256 core clock. MSI 470 4gb is only 200$. Takes nothing to overclock, mine runs 100% stable at 1350 core / 1850 mem.

>>56931364
How fucking bad is Arma 3? I`m looking at the system requirements and they`re literally nothing.

>>56931415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr6CbGfX1zU
The system requirements are if you want to play at ultra-low settings with 20 fps.

I can get an i5 6600k and 1070
or a i7 4790 non k with a 980ti for the same price. I game and convert a lot of music. I will not upgrade again for 5 or so years. Which one?

>>56931455
The latter. The i7 will do better for "work" stuff and the 980ti is still on par with GTX 1070s.

>>56931455
K = more gigahertz = last longer

>>56931471
AMD pls go.

>>56930884
>not using antistatic gloves

>>56930909
>JUST YOU WAIT GUYS THIS TIME AMD IS GONNA MAKE GOOD CPU'S

>>56931519
>implying I'm an AMD fanboy
>Implying I'm losing anything by waiting and seeing what the market offers

>>56931530
>AMD is still gonna make the shittier product no matter how long you wait

>>56931547
>I like getting fucked in the ass by Intel
If AMD can't produce a CPU that matches the i5 6600k at a similar or cheaper price then I'll go Intel.
Why do you hate competition?

>>56931585
I like competition but AMD never provides any in the high end market.

Should i buy a Z97 PC Mate($2600MXN) or save and buy an ASUS Z97-A for 50% more the price of the MSI motherboard? ($3600MXN)for a I5-4460?

>Why Z97 for locked I5
because H97 is just as expensive here in mexico and i need a x16 and a x4 PCIe slot, also 3 case fans so B85 isn't an option.

>>56931439
Jesus christ what a piece of shit game. Sad thing is it will always run like dog shit because it`s so horribly optimized. Maybe if they rebuild the entire thing around vulkan / dx12. But that would probably be a nightmare in itself.

>>56931666
They already got their money from early-access and the DLCs, no reason to improve the fucking game.
If they make an ArmA 4 maybe they'll try, hopefully.

>>56931415
Down southeast US man.

I'm mostly ordering offline because the nearest PC place is miles away.

And Arma 3 is a weird kind of bad.

I can run it on the lowest disable everything settings on my i7-640m w/ Nvidia 3100M and get like 20-30 FPS, barely enough.

But you wanna run high end, it's gonna cost you a processor that can focus on single core processing like a bitch.

Now that I think about it, I should've gone for the 150 i7 or gotten the 6600K from Jet w/ the mobo.

>>56931666
>>56931700
Trips, Dubs, I'm still on the bench about what the fuck to get a for a GPU that's not a 250 dollar monster.

Where do you buy peltiers these days? Are they still a thing?

>>56929787
kam1-i by ECS
it was 30 dollaryoos
i want to see what i could stick on it, big ass tower cooler? AIO water cooler?

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So I just finished my build and it wont boot up. No POST, the CPU fans, case fans and the graphics card light up for about half a second then it shuts off. The PSU fans don't move at all however. The motherboard LED stays on the whole time the switch in the back is pressed. Also when mounting my proccessor I had to use a bit of force pushing it down and I was worried I broke it, even reseated it twice but it seems to good. But could the proccessor also be the problem?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/gsnZcc

Opinions on this build? It's pretty basic, but I'm trying to save up at the moment and need something to get by for a while.

Limited space, limited budget.

>>56931999
Get 6600k

>>56932018
>OC CPU with non-OC board
Great suggestion.

>>56931999
>>56931999
Get the steelseries 6vg2 keyboard.

Shit's tough as hell, but for all that's sacred, please clean it once a month.

I let mine get gunked up, it's pretty fucking bad right now, though it's still operational.

And get win 7 bruh, got mine from mychoicesoftware for a bit cheaper.

>>56926419
Are those window fans intake or exhaust?

Hey guys, I have kinda old system:
Mobo is a gigabyte h77 d3h
Cpu Intel i5-3470 3.2ghz
Gpu gigabyte gtx 650ti 2gb
And 8gb ram.
I'm planning to upgrade the gpu to 1070 and buy an ssd, once I can afford everything else for a new build I'll just place the new 1070 and ssd in the new build later.
I checked pc part picker and it says it's compatible, at least I think it is, is it?
Will the cpu and ram bottleneck the new 1070?

>>56927093
>Cooler Master V8 GTS

drop that and pick noctua nh-d14

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This, or the black and red one

>>56931110
>"only a pea sized dot!"
>"an X!"
>"apply barely any!"
>"apply liberally!"
>"spread it to ensure no bubbles!"
>"squirt that shit on and plop the heatsink!"
kek

There is a lot of disagreement but I favour the lentil-sized pea.

The danger in too much isn't anything to do with heat (well a little, it conducts less than the things it's conducting into), it's the stuff getting out and onto circuitry.

So when you put the heat sink on, watch carefully for shit coming out the sides and if necessary, scrape off any that does with toothpicks or something. Have Isopropyl alcohol handy.

>>56931263
>>56931333
>>56931364
>>56931846
>>56931846

Fuck it, getting the 4 Gig Red Devil 470.
200 with a 15 MIR.

AND, I'm going under the fucking house.

12 bucks worth of 50 foot of ethernet cable is cheaper than 22 bucks of a wireless adapter that gambles it's connectivity/severely limits your shit.

>>56931209
144hz 1 ms delay 1080p monitor. You dont need higher rez and 144hz is buttery smooth

These threads have become a trollercoaster as i see it.
>mini-itx mobos in full towers
>non-oc mobos with oc cpus
and so on.
Whoever does it, you're not funny, redditor

Hey /g/, I'm planning to build a new PC in half february; my typical use is C++ programming and compiling, Lighroom and Photoshop, AVCHD rendering, maybe I'll try music producing, and also some casual gaming
Trying to keep it under 1000 eurodollars:
>Intel i5-6600K
>MSI Z170A-G43 Plus
>Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB (single slot, it's cheaper and gives more room for upgrades)
>Cooler Master RS650
>Intel 600P 128GB (256GB if the price drops)
>650GB SATA HDD from the PC I have atm (for important data)
>Sapphire RX 470 8GB Nitro (in a second time, it's not urgent)
>Be Quiet! BK018 Dark Rock 3 (great cooler, also doesn't break the dark color scheme)
>Corsair Carbide 100R

Can I do better than this?

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>find out new PC has a USB DAC-UP port
>apparently it's supposed to be better than normal USB ports for audio DACs
This shit is a placebo feature isn't it.

>>56932948
Yes, you probably wont hear any difference.

>>56930778
>>56930887
Nothing, as long as it was used. No reason to buy it new. Graphics card is still slightly OP compared to CPU

>>56930867
The problem is with the FX CPU, probably branch misprediction or something

>>56930904
He's fine

>>56932948
100% placebo, its still digital, the external DAC does the magic.

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On my phone and can't copy and paste so refer to pic.

Suggestions from the last thread
>get a 6700K for better performance and overclocking.
>Get an SSD for the OS
Might as well if I'm paying out this much already.
>Do you really need an optical drive?
Yes, I write a lot to CD for work.
>Get rid of that ugly ass case
It has lots of fans but yes OK
>The only way to make a 1080 worth it over a 1070 is if you use a 4K monitor
I've heard the current models have a flow rate problem, any enlightenment on this?

Still need advice on a cooler and a better case (something without the lights I guess and decent cooling)

>>56933216
>bare in mind
was this a meme or something at some point or did you just fuck up?

How fucked am I with an i3 and 1060? I feel that I should put 40%+ of my budget into graphics card, but 2 cores seems edgy to me.

So about HDDs, is there a size I should avoid or something? 3TB seems the best value but I think I might have heard something about it having issues often.

>>56933216
You do realize you need a different mobo and RAM if you're buying a 6700k, right?

For the cooler, do you want something with good price/performance, or just top performance?

And as for the case, just google some reviews and comparisons(I suggest videos, like best cases of 2015 or something) to get an idea of:
a) what's available
b) what to look for in a good case
c) what you actually like
Cases are highly personal, try finding one that suits you yourself.

>>56933271
No..? It's an expression, like saying "remember this..." We say it in the UK, don't know about other places.

>>56933492
I don't know much about mobos so that's news to me, thanks. If I'll be getting the higher end CPU and overclocking it I'd rather something with top performance to make sure it runs well.

I've heard the cooler master cases are quite good but I haven't looked into them too much.

When's the next Intel chip set releasing?

>>56929517
>mini ITX motherboard
>ATX mid-tower case

Top kek

>>56933560
So you're just retarded then and don't know how to spell.

Currently have
>i5 2500K
>HD7850 2GB
>8GB DDR3 1.6GHz
>Asrock Z77 Extreme4 mobo
>128GB Plextor M5S
>3TB of slow ass storage drives (that I also put my games and some applications on)
>550W power supply

I was thinking I should just get a new SSD now and build a completely new system in half a year or so. Can't upgrade my CPU or RAM without tossing the motherboard anyway.

Wanted to get a 500GB 850 Evo but that had a major price hike so I'm leaning towards a Crucial MX300.

Got triggered into upgrading cause last week I decided to fuck around with Unreal Engine and having the project (+code) on a 5400rpm hdd makes for insanely slow compile times.

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Do I need to buy thermal smegma or is this enough?

>>56933731
- OC your CPU
- Get more RAM
- Get an SSD

>>56933916
- Already OC'd to 4.3 GHz
- Nah, don't want to get more DDR3 RAM when I'm gonna upgrade to a new system with DDR4 in the near future
- Already have, but as I said I'm about to get a bigger one.

>>56933895
it's enough, it'll spread as you tighten the screws.

6600k 1080 or 6700k 1070 for 1080p 144hz gaming?

>>56933465
Anyone care to chime in? Not in a particular hurry since I'll probably be buying it next month, but would like to know what to look for in case of sales etc.

Alternatively I'm thinking of buying 2 x 1 TB drives, should be around the same price as a 3TB and at least if one fails I'll still have the other.

>>56933995
For what it's worth I went with 6700k 1070(for 1440p/60hz which is basically same shit) because:
a)it's a lot easier to upgrade GPU later than CPU + mobo + maybe RAM
b)I would save only 50% of the price difference between 1070 and 1080 by buying a 6600k instead of 6700k
c)I feel that 1080 has an awful price/performance ratio while 1070 is almost decent

>>56933625
What on earth are you talking about? I just told you its an expression.

>>56933216
If you're putting money on SSD, check if your mobo suppoets M.2 and after that check if the M.2 drive price is comparable to the sata version.

>>56932948
... Kinda
It's not a killer feature, but apparently having a clean power output (that's what the port does) is better when using it for audio

>>56934097
It's "bear in mind".

Holy shit.

>>56932809
Apparently no
Of course for you maybe a 6700K could be a better choice, but a 6600K is fine too
You could also wait for Zen, but probably you already considered it

>>56934097

Being this thick

>>56932809
Wait for Kaby lake/Zen first?

Would an i3-6100 and a RX 470 8GB / RX 480 4GB be a good combination?

The price for RX 470 8GB and RX 480 4GB are about the same in the place I live.

Also, how much wattage should my PSU have? Is 550W fine?

When was kaby lake / zen coming? concidering building a new pc, should i wait for 'em? they coming this year?

aight /g/, I gotta problem.
I've bought a new GTX 1060 (Asus Turbo version) like 1 week ago.
Yesterday I started noticing what I think is a coil whine.. GPU worked just fine, but when I used a nvidiaInspector to OC it a bit (+40 Mhz core clock, +120Mhz memory clock) it started squealing while on heavy load (90%+).

Temperatures are okay, they are in 70 C range on heavy load- and the squeal isn't loud. When I really focus, I can notice it. Didn't even notice it until I was sitting in complete silence.

Could it be caused by that really low OC, or was it there from the start, I just didn't notice it?

CPU : i5 6600k,
RAM : HyperX Fury 16GB 2133 Mhz Kit
PSU : LC-Power LC500H-12 (500W)

I heard it can get caused by PSU.

>>56927536
If you're getting an i5, the 6600k is not worth it unless you're planning to overclock, since the 6500 is much better value. If you're getting an i7, though, the 6700k comes higher clocked and is only like ten bucks more, so it's arguably worth it(assuming getting an i7 was worth it in the first place).

>>56934390
>but when I used a nvidiaInspector to OC it a bit...
... i also voided the warranty, and now i can't get a refund.

Good job, i hope you know how to fix the problem yourself :-)

Dear /pcbg/.

There is something I dont understand about LogicalIncrements and overall opinions running around the net. It is about this whole debate "RX480 vs GTX 1060".

Logicalincrements lists 1060 as better, claiming around 10% better performance (in relative to R9 Fury X). In latest added "GPU comparation" page, they even place 480 on the level of GTX 970.

At the other hand, when I was checking reviews of custom (overclocked) versions of both cards, results were showing similar performance of both RX480 and 1060 (nearly the same in benchmarks, +/- few FPS in games, depending on who devs favors more).

Even when Im asking outside of /g/, almost everybody right away goes with "get 1060" (when I asked on /v/, it right away attracted guys claiming that 3gb version of 1060 is "better in every aspect" than 480, that 480 have "no overclocking potential" - and I was called idiot when I linked said reviews showing otherwise - up to using sentences like "better dead than red team").

So why? What Im missing here? Is LI biased or what?

>>56934532
Even given identical performance, 1060 is a better choice simply because it's more mainstream and thus will be more widely supported.

>>56934532
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-AMD-RX-480/3639vs3634

Yep, almost exactly the same

And I agree with >>56934601 (market share under the link) If somethin brreaks, there's a bigger chance of finding help online

>>56934601

This is like feedback - card gets popular, so it gets more attention from devs, thus becoming even more popular, regardless of actual performance.

It is almost like people buy for brands and not for quality/performance.

>>56934648
DON'T FORGET LINUX SUPPORT IF YOU MAKE THE TRANSFER

>>56931961
Reseat the cpu, and cooler. When installing the cooler remember to only tighten the screws till snug. As soon as you feel resistance they're tight enough. If it persists, back all the screws off half a turn. Also double check to make sure you have the correct cable installed for your cpu power, and ensure it is snug. What board and cpu are you using? Can also try pulling the cross battery, hitting the cross reset button, or jumping it. Depends on the mobo what option you have.

>>56934648

For fuck sake, Im about to get mad at some point, if I see once again comparing REFERENCE version of RX480 to everything.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/sapphire-rx-480-nitro-oc-4gb-8gb-review/6/
http://www.kitguru.net/components/ryan-martin/asus-gtx-1060-6gb-strix-oc-review/5/

For me, it looks nearly the same.

Who buys reference models anyway?

>>56934159
I know I'm sad for posting in a pc building thread on 4chan but you're taking the piss a bit.

>>56931961
Could be a memory problem. I'm no expert, but try booting with just one stick of RAM

>>56934121
I'm in 2 minds whether to get a small 256Mb SSD for the OS or maybe a 100Gb for games/applications I frequently use. I certainly see the appeal and benefit, just not convinced about their price-benefit ratio.

>>56934455
easily reverted it back to defaults,
and with only small software overclock they cannot prove I OC'd it if i play dumb. :^)

Regardless, I'm not interested in RMA'ing it (got the dosh, who gives a f) , I just wondered if upgrading my PSU will fix it.

>>56934662
When I was younger I went full autist every time and maximized the price/performance ratio whenever I bought anything.

Now that I'm older and actually value my time, buying something that will have more support is a no brainer, even if I have to pay a bit more.

>>56934243
I'll definitely wait for Zen, but apparently Kaby Lake is not really worth, I'll consider it only if the costs are similar

Hi gize

My name is Krishna and I want to bye a computer. I don't want to bye partings to connect together because I am waste time.
Please give me good option.
Tank u gize

>>56932120
Your cpu will have a slight bottleneck for the 1070, but it won't be significant enough to concern yourself with. Ram really only becomes a concern if you don't have enough. The thing you have to remember is that you will always have a bottleneck no matter what. An easy way to reduce your cpu from slowing down your gpu is to make sure you run things with a high enough gpu load that the cpu can keep up easily. 1440p will be your best bet at achieving this with the 1070.

>>56932265
Overrun is only an issue if your TIM is electrically conductive. Otherwise you could pour it all over your board and have zero issues. I'll refer you to my previous post >>56931180. The only thing to be concerned with is whether or not it's electrically conductive, and to be sure you didn't use too little.

>>56934307
Maybe? Dunno if that would be a good pairing on dx11 with how amd gpus slam core 0 on a dual core cpu. Personally I would go with the 470 8gb over a 4gb 480, just make sure you get a model with the full 2000mhz memory. But it depends on what you want to use it for whether or not the extra vram will be of any use.

>>56934329
Zen is supposed to be released somewhere around the start of the year. It's going to be in low supply though, so be prepared for this year's gpu releases all over again.

>>56934690
People who are on small form factor, intend to install custom cooling, or jumped the gun at launch. Incidentally, the rx 470 rivals the 1060 6gb in forza horizon 3. It all depends on what you're going to be playing and what kind of cpu you have. Overall performance puts them within single digit percentile of each other
With the common sentiment being the 1060 is better for dx11, while the 480 will be better down the road as dx12 and Vulkan get used more. The 1060 3gb is a bull shit card that should not be the same model number as the 6gb. It's actually a cut down chip.

>>56934728
I'd go with the OS option. Not having your OS in an SSD is a tremendous pain in the ass. Then install your programs and games on a seperate hard drive except your most commonly used ones.

How does my build look?
Budget is around $1000, main use will be 1080p gaming and general media consumption. I know 500 GB SSD isn't much storage, I'll see how quickly it fills up and get an extra HDD if necessary.

Case recs are appreciated.

pcpartpicker.com/list/ftB2xY

>>56934923
Don't you have an old HDD lying around? You could buy a cheaper SSD, invest some more cash, and get a 1070 + better RAM.

>>56934908

>Overall performance puts them within single digit percentile of each other

Thats what Im talking about. It just maded me wonder, why there is some bias towards AMD cards in that regard.

Im not fan of any brand, I check reviews and then try to buy most suitable product.

>The 1060 3gb is a bull shit card that should not be the same model number as the 6gb. It's actually a cut down chip.

And yet LogicalIncrements lists it on the same level as 8gb RX480.

It would be funny if it wouldnt be so silly at the same time.

>>56934950
Logical increments also lists an HDD as better than a 950 pro

>>56934950
Performance-wise, 1060 3GB is great for its price. 3GB of ram tho...weak spot. Future gayms with fucking dx12 will consume a shitton.

>>56934950
Logical increments is a sham. See>>56934965. The 1060 3gb is direct competitor to the 470 4gb. The only thing you can do is take everything that's not hard numbers with a grain of salt, then do your own research and decide what to get based on what would be best for your use case.

>>56934983
So is the rx 470, which jumps entire performance brackets in dx12 titles like horizon 3.

>>56934728
Every single person that I know that has used an SSD for their OS has been satisfied with it and couldn't live without it. M.2 SSDs are just a thing to go even further beyond but are not a necessity.

>>56934944
I've heard that 1070 is overkill for 1080p

>>56935108
Depends on your framerate

>>56935021
>>56934965

>Logical increments is a sham

I used to have good opinions on them before ;_;

>>56935151
60 fps is fine for me. And I'm not averse to upgrading my graphics card to the next "good enough" model in 2-3 years.

What PSU should I get to replace my nearly five years old Corsair CX600 that I'm afraid is gonna blow up soon?

>>56934877
go to dell.com
buy what fits your budget

>tfw replying to b8

http://www.webhallen.com/se-sv/datorer_och_tillbehor/247129-webhallen_config_d16-0304-i7-6700k-16gb-500gb_ssd__1tb_hdd-gtx1080-win_10__gow4&atcl=list:popular

Want to know what you guys think of this pre-built, the price is around 2200$ The power supply looks weak for a 1080 imo

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/zwkh7h

Thinking about buying this and ending it already so I can have a z170 wifi mobo and the ability to upgrade to next year's GTX products

I also can't justify spending the extra 100$ on a 6700k when a 6600k can perform as reasonably with OC and still be coolish, I might get a 6700k eventually or just wait for the next skylake releases.

>>56935153
I mean in general it's fine, it's basically the same as reading a few builds on this thread, but it's not perfect at all and not better than looking at actual hardware benchmarks and usage
It's great as an advice site not as a selection site

>>56935452
Lmao kill yourself

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/pBg8QV

>>56935592
6700k is just a 6600k with HT
That's what it was designed to be, and that's what it is

>>56935622
Are there good benchmarks for thhe skylake chipset mobos? I'd like to see a comparison of them doing gaming v productivity tasks just to get a grasp of how they fare.

Just curious if a 6600k can perform good running Maya operations

>>56935645
Chipset benchmarks? Chipset basically just determines the ins and outs of hardware-to-CPU connections and doesn't affect performance specifically by itself if I remember right

>>56935153
To be fair, the entire purpose of the site is to maximize your price:perf. It just so happens it's also a perpetuation of /g/ memes like buying the smallest PSU possible for your system. Samsung 950 Evo is complete overkill and m.2 pcie drives are expensive as fuck. So it's testing a hdd higher because of the immense difference in price and capacity. An ssd is arguably not a necessity, but it provides a quality of life most people wouldn't dare give up once they've experienced it.

>>56935224
What price range are you looking at? Efficiency rating? Full, semi or non modular?

>>56935452
Incredibly overpriced, power supply has more than enough wattage for that system even with overclocking. Figure the 1080 at likely a max of 250w, cpu at 100w stock full load. Even if you consider everything else, you easily have 250w of overhead to work with. Just depends on the quality and efficiency of the psu.

>>56935645
http://motherboardbenchmark.net/
The only site i know of, but idk if the site is really trustworthy or anything.

>>56935665
It's not expensive if you're aiming for "high end" but apparently it is if you're going for "ultra high end"

>>56935621
What's the matter son? Mad cuz I'm too lazy to think of a good build?

>>56935665
I live in Sweden unless I buy stuff abroad this is the cost of hardware I have to deal with

>>56927093
one of the shityst builds in this threads for a long time now, kys kid

>>56935665
>What price range are you looking at? Efficiency rating? Full, semi or non modular?
My budget is around 100 europoorbucks, Efficiency can be as low as bronze since in my price range better might not be that achievable, but if it is then higher efficiency is fine too. Modularity is not a needed thing since my case has good cable routing options (Fractal Design R4)

>>56935665

Actually, whats so bad about buying PSU with smallest fitting output?

I mean, if I would get 1000W PSU for system that uses max 500W, it would still eat 500W. Only that the efficiency (this whole "80+") is sually highest at 50% load.

Im just curious, I like to know more.

>>56935749
Because it's actually the same price as an overkill PSU if you take a minute to look around. And you won't be coming back saying "I got a 500W PSU for my 450w system like /g/ told me then why PC explode"

>>56935749
Take your wattage

increase is by 20% to assume OC

double it

if your psu doesn't have this wattage, it'll be inefficient.

I use seasonic 700w bronze+ (usually silver but gold is the same nowadays) typically for high power rigs meant for OCing, because I can't justify upping the wattage to 900+ for the efficiency boost.

500w cpu will do wonders for a ~250w build, but if it's OC'd and you have alot of fans you may actually do good with a 600w.

Over time power will cost more than anything in your PC, fun fact

>>56935852
>500w cpu
>mfw no coffee
that'd be one hell of a cpu, i mean psu

My parts just arrived and I can't even put them together because I didn't clean my room enough to have space to build in.

But boy am I giddy.

How much can I OC with a mini-itx or micro ATX case?

The case has 0 bearing on overclocking. You don't seem to know what you're even asking. Stay away from overclocking

>>56935677
M.2 pcie 2.0 x4 has become increasingly more reasonably priced now that they have pcie 3.0 drives. You can get m.2 drives dirt cheap, but they're Sata 3 speed controllers, defeats the purpose of it in my opinion. I suppose there's the boost in latency and access time, while freeing up your Sata bus which could be worth it for that extra bit of performance. Especially if you do something like ssd caching where you wouldn't need a terribly high capacity drive and would benefit even more from reduced Sata bandwidth utilization.

>>56935719
It would still be less expensive to buy all the parts yourself I would assume. That's about what I would expect to pay if I bought that exact system from a boutique builder here in burgerland.

>>56935741
Not sure how pricing is over there, look up seasonic of fsp group psus. Fsp builds using server grade components, and usually are capable of going well beyond their rated wattage.

>>56935749
Strictly efficiency, and overhead for expansion and overclocking. Components don't scale power draw as exponentially as they used to with overclocking, so it's not as big of a deal. But the thing with the efficiency rating is if you're supplying 500w of power at 50% load on a gold rated psu, te actual power from the wall would be closer to 544w. Whereas a 550w bronze will be drawing 625w. This is also assuming they're operating at the rated ideal temperature. If they're warmer, then they'd be less efficient.

One can typically assume that a higher rated psu with higher output will have a better build quality given the same manufacturer. But it really boils down to your usage,, budget, cost of electricity, and whether or not you truly believe you're going to need that sort of power output.

>>56935812
There's also this incredibly valid point where you only pay about 10$ more per 100w in a given series of PSUs.

>>56935852
Protip: How much parts are rated for is what they'll use in the WORST CASE SCENARIO. Unless you spend the entire time the PC is open pushing your hardware, it won't consume nearly that much and oversized PSU will consequently be less efficient.

>>56935852

Oh.

I mean, I got 650W PSU (XFX TS650 80+gold) for a system that should use 400W, according to pcpartpicker or 450W according to outervision.com

Does it mean that I did wrong?

>>56936019
Less usage is more efficient for a PSU.

You cannot argue that a cheap piece of shit, even running at sub200w, is a better buy than a 60$ seasonic.

>>56936031
Not my style man, I don't hate the earth, but it'll work for you

I used to have a $1600 AMD build that worked flawlessly, but I have since sold it, and I don't play games anymore. I do like to watch 720-1080+ streams (not gaming streams), would a $350 build be suitable just for that? I think an i3 and a fairly meh-tier GPU with ~4gb ram should be just fine. Might go with mITX or something itty bitty. I just wanna watch streams on 2+ monitors, shitpost and hook up my security cameras. A vertical monitor would be neat.

>>56936009
>Not sure how pricing is over there, look up seasonic of fsp group psus. Fsp builds using server grade components, and usually are capable of going well beyond their rated wattage.
K, I'll check it out. Thank you!

>>56936047
>You cannot argue that a cheap piece of shit, even running at sub200w, is a better buy than a 60$ seasonic.

No, but getting a 1000W PSU for a system that consumes 500W at most wastes both money and electricity compared to getting a similarly efficient 600W PSU under normal usage where you're not stressing your GPU and CPU 100% of the time.

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>newegg tech deals
>scrolling through
>see this

They know how cool we are

Looking for a good Z170 mobo, here's what i'm considering to buy since the features and prices are similar:

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5760#ov
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5499#ov
http://www.asrock.com/mb/intel/z170%20extreme4/
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z170-A/
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z170-PRO-GAMING/
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z170A-KRAIT-GAMING-3X.html#hero-overview

Which do you think is the best?
http://www.strawpoll.me/11368793

>>56936115
Get the asus pro graming you fucking mongoloid

>>56935922
>small case fits only small fan

>>56936165
>small fan=bad fan
>hurrdurr i can't fit my 9 inch vaccuum in a microatx it's not good :^(

lmao

stop building PCs.

>>56936115
MSI Z170A SLI Plus is neato.

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If ur motherboard doesn't have xmp will fancy gamer ram still work just at lower speed?

>>56936255
I'd never buy an MSI or asrock when an asus is within 50 dollars for the same component but good

>>56936115
The Gigabyte UD3 (non-Gaming) or the Asus Z170A. ASRock is a good value though, but quirky. All the Gaming boards make you pay for marketing with no substance.

And fuck off, MSI-shills.

>>56936031
Gold rated are 88% efficient at 20% and 100% load. Your system will likely never draw that kind of max power it calls for unless you're stress testing. So you're probably going to float around the 90%+ efficiency. It's fine.

>>56936090
I don't think anyone was actually proposing buying a 1kW psu, in fact if it's the same anon. He said he has a 700w. But you make a good point.

>>56936115
Get the GA-UD5.

>>56936165
>>56936190
Small fans move less air/dB of noise generated, there's also more obstructions in small form factor cases, and less room for an aftermarket cooler. Your case sets the standard for your cooling system.

>>56936269
Yes, but why buy ram with a higher rating than you can actually utilize? Also, could have got something like g skill ares for 130$

>>56936296
UD3 is my personal favourite at the moment. Looks excellent, great features and decent price, also had an UD mobo in the past.
What do you mean with "quirky"? I have no experience with ASRock, some say it's shit, some say it's good, friend of mine is an ASRock fan, so.. idk.

>>56936338
Out of budget, UD3 if anything.

>>56936338
>why buy
Well that's not a big difference in price and this memory had a good rating on Amazon so I bought it. Really only cared about capacity and I know that cl9 is at least decent because I saw 10 and 11 too

>Build a budget Intel PC on PC Part Picker
>DDR4 RAM and more motherboard choices

>Build a budget AMD PC
>stuck on DDR3 RAM
>only save 10 bucks

Uh?

>>56936338
>Your case sets the standard for your cooling system.

Stop talking about shit you don't understand.

>>56936378
You just learned z170 intel cpus are the best solution for home computing and enterprise tasks

Yes, I honestly thought AMD was a real cpu producer up until I learned how things actually work too

>>56936352
>What do you mean with "quirky"?
I own (and use) several ASRock and ASRock Rack boards. They're all speshul in their own way. For example
>ASRock Z97 Extreme6
The only LGA1150 motherboard that has the final specification M.2 slot and a second PCIe 2.0 x2 M.2 slot but using the Ultra M.2 slot causes your GPU to go into PCIe x8 mode and using the other causes both your PCIe 2.0 slot and two of your SATA ports to not work because they share bandwidth.
>ASRock Z170 OC Formula
It has three M.2 slots and you can RAID them using the latest drivers, but using all three slots with PCIe M.2s disables all your SATA ports and some of your PCIe slots again.
>ASRock Rack C2750 Mini ITX motherboard
Somebody at ASRock though it would be a brilliant idea to put the dual Intel NICs and the third Intel IPMI NIC directly in the airflow of the main heatsink, which means they get no cooling air over them and overheat. Same with the additional ASMedia SATA controllers for all those extra ports, causing your disks to suddenly drop out of your window and you have to do a hard reset to bring them back.
Oh I'm sorry, did you RAID those drives. Too bad, they are now corrupted, have fun rebuilding the array and pray that the controller doesn't shit the bed halfway through the rebuild. Occupying all the SATA ports linked to that controller will cause it to overheat and corrupt data like nobody's business.
Also, the CPU heatsink is applied using some cheap-ass thermal tape, so removing and replacing the stuff with proper paste will actuall help dropping your idle temperatures from high 50s back down to low 40s.

I still love their boards though. They're good value and they take risks like no one else in the business. I still remember their flagship Z77 board that had an IDE slot because fuck you.

What cpu can encode a short <5 minute video in under 2 minutes?
Mine takes about 4 minutes it seems.

>>56936411
What really confused the hell out of me is that some people meme about how if you buy Intel, you're spending more money than you need to.

The theoretical Intel build at a 10 bucks more also has reduced power needs. Not to mention I'm able to upgrade the CPU to Kaby Lake if I want. But I think I'm going to wait for those processors to come out, along with the GTX 1050 ti.

>>56936476
If anyone meme'd you about buying intel, they were 100% trolling you. Everyone here knows AMD junk is a meme (muh 4.7hz 8 core!! lol jk it runs ar 3.7, but our factory speed is 4.7!!), and the only gpus worth buying now are the 100 gtx series.

>>56936461
Also, the M.2 RAID peaks out after 2 drives because they have to go through the chipset and to the CPU via the DMI 3.0 interface, which isn't fast enough to handle two Samsung 950 PROs in RAID0. Bottleneck for days.

>>56936508
>not having a 2tb mushkin ssd

>>56936476
People don't say that now because amd has no competitive cpus for the price at all right now.
Nobody is going to buy am3+ at this point when the next gen can be seen on the horizon.
Power needs are a meme as electricity is cheap in civilized areas.

When amd releases Zen against Kaby Lake there will be a comparison to be made, but not right now, where people think it is reasonable to even compare years old cpus to the latest stopgap generation between haswell and kaby lake.
If zen is competitive pricewise to an intel i3 or ideally to an i5, they will be worth considering.

>>56936461
>>56936508
Sounds bad, guess i'll go with Asus or Gigabyte again since i don't want my mobo shit itself and last at least 4-5 years.

>>56936518
>having a cheap SSD that's two SSDs with two controllers in JBOD
That's why I'm getting an LSI RAID controller and four 512GB Samsung 850 PROs. Not only do I get 2TBs, but I also get near-PCIe 3 x4 speeds for my 4K interracial cuckold porn editing.

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http://pcpartpicker.com/list/MT82xY

I'm trying to build a decent 1080p gaming machine. I might be moving around, so the compact build is a must. Also I'm a third world shitter so I'm limited in options.

Does it look good? Can I fit some extra cooling in that space?

>>56936115
I'd go with the Asus Pro Gaming. The SweetFX audiochip is fucking amazing and you get lotsa software that Asus normally only gives to their RoG series boards. Plus it's a pretty good board for OCing and has a nice price.

>>56936563
Modern ASRock mobos don't shit themselves, they just disappoint you with their special features once you realize that they cheaped out on actual solutions to their bandwidth problems (like a PLX chip for their M.2 slots rather than tying everything to the Lynx Point chipset). ASRock boards are for people who live with compromises.

ASRock Rack boards are for people who can suck a dick and not give a fuck because their RAID array got corrupted again for the ninth time after having the balls to use up all the available SATA3 ports on the motherboard.

>>56936570
Jesus, man. I don't even know how to respond to this.

May god have mercy on your soul.

>>56936597
You should get an SSD instead of a HDD. If you move a HDD around while it's running then it's going to die.

>>56932234
>window
>>>/v/
>>>/o/

>>56936644
There is nothing bad about RAIDing your SSDs if you're not using them to run a bazillions VMs and are using them for reading and writing large files.

>>56936597
buy a prebuild. you don't know what you're doing.

>>56936626
>>56936627
Thank's a lot. I'll go with the UD3 or Pro Gaming depending on which is cheaper when i get the parts.

>>56936658
What about hybrids?

>>56936678
Elaborate pls

Third worlder here. Options are very limited, cheaper asus z170 models, like the z170m or fancier msi z170 models?
I wanted an asus z170A, but the seller is just too shady.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119&ignorebbr=1

Reminder if you want a gold seasonic semimodular 550w for about 20 bucks cheaper than usual to get it today, I'm getting 5

>>56936597
Change the HDD to an SSD, I recommend Sandisk SSDs.

You can reduce the cost by downsizing the RAM to 8 GB (2 x 4 GB). 16 GB is a big much if you are just gaming.

What games do you want to play?

>>56936009
Hello, >>56936073 here. Would FSP Raider 650W be good?

>>56936762
see
>>56936755

>>56936777
Nope, sorry. Not ordering from Burgeristan. Customs would rape my ass.

Just got my i5-6400 from fed ex.

Now I'm waiting for my Asrock Z170 motherboard. With good luck and my waifu by my side, I should get this sucker overclocked to 4.4ish ghz.

Costed me $150 for this CPU.

>>56936756
Dark Souls series and similars, third person RPGs, city builders like Skylines and the upcoming Urban Empire (wich is already asking 8 GB RAM min), grand strategy, that at the top of my mind

>>56936754
Get an Asus Z170 Pro Gaming

See >>56936626

>>56936832
That ASRock board better have HYPER next to its name or you're up shit creek without a paddle.

Also, you need a graphics card because using that external clock generator turns off the iGPU for voltage reasons.

>>56936852
>Urban Empire asking for 8 GB

What the fuck? Games are asking for that much now? Most games I see, even 3D ones only need like 2-3, if that. Oh, nevermind, even games like GTA V are recommending 8 GB.

This is what happens when you mostly play 2D platformers and fighting games.

>>56936756
Also, I can get this one for a good price in my country:

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-480GB-SSDNow-UV300-Adapter/dp/B01CXYJKRO

>>56936866
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z170A-X13.1/?cat=Specifications

It says it supports full range BCLK overclock.

>>56936962
It's been disabled for non-K CPUs since March. Intel's microcode update prevent you from messing with the BCLK on those CPUs and the only work-around is to buy an ASRock board with an external clock generator that they're marketing as HYPER. They have B150, H170, and a C232 motherboard with HYPER clock generators, the last one is special because you an overclock Xeon E3s on those.

>>56936998
There's bios flash. I have the bios on me so its good.

Is a corsair 750 psu overkill for a single 1070/6600k? Would a cxm 650 suffice if I'm not aiming for sli, and just want to fiddle with overclocking later?

>>56936755
Fuck, literally just bought a psu that's coming in a few days. Will Newegg let me return it to buy this one?

Alright I adjusted my build based on recommendations from the thread, how does it look? Anything I should or need to change?
Primarily going to use it for light gaming and watching movies/anime.
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/4w3Kqk

>>56937010
There is a problem with BIOS flashing that's been discovered soon after Intel killed BCLK overclocking. If you update your Windows OS after May 2016 using the "unlocked" BIOS, your BIOS will automatically update itself with the new microcode. The only way around this that I know of is to download updates individually from a different computer and keeping a spare BIOS chip just in case. BIOS flashing will not undo the Intel update.

>>56937049
Good to know. I will reinstall an older win10/7 variant and just block all the updates.

Fucking Wintel being weasels again with all that sneaky shit.

>>56937078
It's also no way to know which single update causes the BIOS to update with the Intel-approved BCLK-locking microcode. I'd just return the motherboard and buy the B150 Hyper board for $20 less than what you paid for the board. There is no way that the microcode update will fuck around with the external clock generator.

>>56937130
>>56937130
migrate

>>56937036
Looks good, but had potential to save a few bucks.

>>56937115
Under what circumstances can you return your motherboard? Wouldn't they charge stocking fee/shipping fee shit?

Looking further into, it looks like I just need to delete the mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll file in sys32 folder. Then disable the updates. Don't install any intel shit or update bios shit.

I'm wondering how permanent these "microcode updates" are. From my understanding if I simply clear the bios and battery, it should reset. However I could be wrong. I'd need more data on it.

>>56937227
>Looking further into, it looks like I just need to delete the mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll file in sys32 folder
That doesn't always work. I've heard from others who tried using the SKYOC features (and experienced this personally) that deleting the update doesn't do anything because your BIOS will lock the BCLK multiplier option if it detects that you have a non-K CPU. You will not be able to fiddle around with the clock multiplier or voltage option at all. This is in the BIOS (and this was with BIOS's that were released prior to the updates), not the OS.

Just say that your motherboard was refusing to boot or recognize your drives during installation.

>>56935868
>bedroom covered in dog hair and dust
>ceremonially vacuum and dust 4 times in preparation for computer
>PC just sits in desk
>>56935903
Yes

>>56936009
I know, which is why putting a NVMe m2 drive below a spinny spin is nuts, even if you're trying to pass it off as "best price/perf"

>>56936090
I think the point were all trying to make is that spending $10 on overkill is fine but spending $30 on overkill isnt

>>56937301
Thanks. It sucks that Intel is doing that.

>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157695

I've only found this b150 mobo on newegg. Downside is no video out (for emergencies), ram speed is 2133, lowest for DDR4. Are there newer variants or mobos?

Looking at the return policy, if I don't open it, they give you free shipping/100% refund. I'll do that.

Good call saving me some possible headaches.

>>56937524
There is an H170 version that looks exactly the same, but has an M.2 port on it. That might have XMP enabled, but I wouldn't count on it.
You won't really benefit from the extra RAM speed for 99% of all programs unless it is heavily memory bandwidth dependent or a poorly optimized console port masquerading as a PC game.

>>56937600
I was in chat session with asrock expert from newegg and they said only the "auto-oc" function was removed from the bios update. Manual oc for non-k skylake is still good, they're saying. So ram multipler/voltage/bclk are all good according to their expert.

This is for the Z170 boards. The B150 has the BCLK overclock, but it doesn't have the ram speed or voltage change, so it might be limited to maybe 4 Ghz or 4.2 ghz or so.

I'll stick with the Z170 and simply do all the things necessary for its OC survival. If it does do microcode update and remove my OC ability, I'll RMA it right away. However if it simply removes the "auto-OC" like the expert is saying, then thats not really an issue.