>"newer generations are growing up with all this technology,

when was the last time you needed to put your own device together, install the software from command line, and figure out how to do stuff without having a 2 click solution?

Exactly. you don't.

Not unless you are really into computers and facebook and windows/mac OS on your dell xps/macbook pro doesn't give you all you need.

>>56904293
> how has it come to this?
Easy. New generations take it for granted and don't want to know how it works.
I hope you can change your water tap and a motor oil in your car.

>>56904293
>rise of the smartphones? social networks? shitty education? millenials just being millenials?
All of these, mostly the shitty education part.

>>56904293
I mean it's pretty simple, when we were kids you needed to have a basic understanding of how computers worked in order to do anything productive with them, so we learned by necessity. Modern devices "just werk", and since people are fundamentally lazy the kids won't discover any skills if there is no reward to it.

I don't want to know how my devices work past a certain level of abstraction, it doesn't interest me and is not a productive use of my time as I can simply pay someone to fix it for me if it comes to that or just get a replacement. I'd rather work on what I'm good at and enjoy advancing myself in my chosen field.

>>56904340
>>56904494
>>56904587

all of that is true, but still it doesn't explain how they're more retarded than our parents. I get many questions computer-related from my nephews that could get resolve with a simple "just google it and check the first result". Even my parents know to google shit. Also every computer they own (newphews) gets broken in 1-2 years while those of older people I know still work even if they're old as fuck.

>>56904877
My parents know fuck all about computers.
My dad needs help putting numbers in his flip phone.

My 2 year old niece can open youtube on her mom's smart phone.

>>56904293
You're just getting old, people always think the younger generation is stupider/lazier/etc

>>56904494

Wew lad I hope you're not actually using a car.

>>56904293
If you're talking about the actual retard ratio of the population rising, I think it's a dietary or medicine concern. If you're talking about done autistic "kids are dumb", you're wrong. They've always been the same level of stupid.

The younger and older generations both have next to no knowledge about technology.

I know huge idiots in both of these generations.

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>>56904293
>smartphones
>social networks
This, it's too easy for them to use only that and not realize what you can do with computers.

>shit education
I was taught writing in Word and spreadsheets only from middle to high school so I think it doesn't matter much. What does is drive to learn.

>millennials
You mean lazy? Perhaps.

Not everyone is interested in Computer technology and many people just aren't clever enough to figure it out.

That hasn't changed much from back in the hobbyist days.

>>56904998
However, let me say that the this generation of kids know way more than our parents.

Just a week ago my 10 year old nephew made his first PC build, and the only help he had was me, and all I did was pick out the parts for him.

On the other hand, my mom had some photos stored on a flash drive and was trying to access them while the drive was sitting on her desk. She asked for my help as her computer could not find the drive, so I picked it up and put it into the computer. She was embarrassed to say the least.

>>56904293
are they really though ? I am 25 the last time I was around teens was when I was in high school myself.

>>56904877
Your pham is just retarded desu. Show me stats that proof new generation is dumbing down.

>>56904293
We are used to computers because we had no iPhones or iPads back then, kids nowdays learn to use those before they are even able to take a shit autonomously (literally).
Everyone who had basic tech literacy dropped it in favor of smartphones/tablets, unless they are forced to use PCs for work.
We are the last generation who will have had computer literacy as a passion, everything will be apps and VR/AR soon.

On the upside, tho, it means we have the chance to get rich af in our lifetimes

>>56904293
The newer generation has apparently been dumber than the last for thousands of years. By now we should all be retarded chimps if it were true.

They're taught to graze and consume at an early age, can't blame them really for staring at some whiny faggot on their tablet all day while making aforementioned faggot and their masters slightly richer.
Doesn't help all their toys are locked the fuck down either but such is the price for appealing to the washed masses.
Fuck 'em.

>>56904877
>Also every computer they own (newphews) gets broken in 1-2 years while those of older people I know still work even if they're old as fuck.
Kids don't value shit unless it's drilled into them when they're young.

Something breaks, mommy and daddy buy them a new one and they go back to playing.

>>Been programming since i was a 6 year old kid in 1987

>>Nobody, NOBODY is going to program as good as me

>>spent hundreds of thousands of hours on tutorials

>>laugh at millennials in babys first hello world classes, and empowered women programmers

>>im socially stunted however from spending 95% of my life infront of a pc

if you have a life outside of technology, you will NEVER make it

>>56905674
this is the life I wish I led. :(

People of this world are such shit that even spending only 5% of your time with them is still a waste of 5% of your time.

>>56904293
>millenials just being millenials?

This.

They just don't give a shit and rather live on welfare all their lives than learn stuff.

>>56904293
Computers and other devices are so retard friendly that you don't have to learn anything about computers to use one. old people used computers before there was GUI

>>56905251
It's the exact opposite.

It's called the Flynn effect.

>>56906070
It's stopped now, average IQ is now dropping because of immigration

They've grown up in a world of instant gratification and zero effort necessary to accomplish anything. Ineptitude is the result.

>>56906093
immigrants and millennials.

>>56904914
>You're just getting old, people always think the younger generation is stupider/lazier/etc
Teenagers and adolescents have always thought they're the hottest shit and old people just don't understand :^)

This was a pretty big relief to me.

I figured since they've grown up post-internet my boiclitty didn't have a chance.

>>56904293
there are more "smart" and tech-able peoe than ever before, the problem is that past generations' loud peoplebwere the smart people, whereas now everyone is exposed to almost exclusively the idiots of this generation

>>56904877
In this specific case I think your parents might be a little better than average.

My niece is an expert at using a phone or computers, way better than either of my parents, but she doesn't understand how to do anything other than get to her videos or games.

>>56904340 got it right off the bat
Computers have always been really powerful, but they were hard to use, so even people that weren't interested in tech for tech's sake learned basic "google the problem follow the steps" skills. But now, everything's so slick and seamless that people don't have to develop any special problem solving skills to do the things most people want them for.

>>56904293
One aspect of things that goes largely unmentioned is the fact that "back in the good old days", if you were on the internet, you typically had some skills. Now we're seeing our playground flooded with mongoloids and their mobile devices. This gives the appearence of a dwindling level of ability when in fact, it's just more people accessing the internet than before. These people wouldn't be here to skew your views if it weren't for mobile devices.

social networks spread brain cancer like islam and retarded thinking more effciently

>>56904494
No professional grade jack.

I'm not using the hand crank a family member lost an arm that way.

>>56905086
>Just a week ago my 10 year old nephew made his first PC build
I learned C at his age, without Internet access, from books.

>>56906240
do you think 4chan is an exception :~)?

>>56904293
They grew up on smartphones and never learned how anything works. Their only access to the internet comes locked down and they are ok with it.

The inner workings of tech, the principals from which we learn are getting increasingly hidden and shielded from the end user in order to make a more 'user friendly' experience.

>>56906306
Sort of. This place is far less of a hugbox than say,Facebook. Even shitposters tend to put a bit of thought into their efforts here, on Facebook, it's all just saying things to be a hero.

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>>56906306
Short answer: No
Long answer: Yes

>>56906282
that's an awfully proud post for a fucking autist.

>>56905282
patently not true

>You dun get it, mah kid, hes good wit computers, hes gonna be stebe jubs someday, he can find the settings panel on an ipad, he knows duh windows control panel by heart, i ran pdp-10s back in the day and now i got dementia but even i cant do that, you dun kid it, muh kids a hacker

:^)

>>56906026
>Welfare

A contingent doesn't want to live in any social support system (you can find them on fixies), but it's genuinely easier to be a mountain man in a place without winter than it is to be a hobo, so they do welfare instead.

We should start making them live and go native in national parks since they hate society so much

>>56904293

Because everything's plug-n-play now. Back in the 80s and 90s you still had to know shit in order to actually use a computer for the things you wanted to do.

>get an NV1 for my first post-Amiga build back in 95
>fucking nvidia merchants neglects to include driver floppy
>pay out the ass to first call international customer service abroad and then wait for floppy, or trial-and-error my own drivers by ctrl+v script kiddeing drivers from windows driver library and making additions.

The choice was simple

>>56906282
Did the same with BASIC when I was around that age, had to grab a book from my elementary school library.
There's really no point in learning shit like that nowadays with the plethora of free entertainment. I think hobbies in general are disappearing.
Although there is a push to teach kids to code in schools so maybe I'm just full of shit.

>>56905674

Being GOD TIER GENIUS LEVEL at Computers and Technology is on the same level as being Shawn Lane, John McLaughlin and Allan Holdsworth on guitar.

>>56905086
Sorry to hear that about your mom, dude. Hope you enjoy what little time you guys have left together.

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>>56905086

You realize that building a rig these days is no more complicated than pic related, yeah?

Kids nowadays are smarter than we were, that's an statistical fact, but education doesn't keep pushing and challenging, but annoying them.

Wanna make kids <10 years old be as awesome as we were when we learnt to code by ourself? Fucking push their curiosity instead of forcing them or giving them shitty access to YouTube, TV and pretty simple, unchallenging and easy rewarding smartphone videogames.

>>56907327
Easy then, build a custom loop watercold rig with a 8 years old kid. That's challenging for kids.

Gotta say it's never been a difficult thing to build a rig if you can use your brain.

>>56904293
The convenience of technology is abused. There is zero reason to learn how something works as long as it does.

(((capitalism))) fucked technology.

>>56907418
follow up from>>56907531

I agree they are also smarter. The convenience of technology also allows them more efficient and easier access to knowledge than kids of previous generations. So I wouldn't say they are "smarter", but definitely more knowledgeable. Most intelligent opinions are probably popular opinions they picked up from the internet anyways.

>>56906691
youtube through reddit should all be on the left of the mean, and 4chan on both tips only. the mid right should say "lurking anywhere"

>>56907552
this is wrong unless you say consumerism / late capitalism

>>56904494
>change a water tap
>change motor oil
None of the above are either hard but I heard of people being too incompetent to swap a tire so theres that

>>56904293
desu my dad got a degree in fine arts, basically taught himself about computers and technology in general, and has been working in the sector for years now (he started when you could get a job without needing the STEM degree)

I knew jack shit about computers for a long time, but became interested a few years ago and taught myself some basic programming/got more involved in my online presence/secutiry.

meanwhile my younger sister can barely use a mouse or type

>>56904494
>water tap

But.. that is not even a challenge.

>>56904293
>millenials just being millenials?
This meme again.

>>56904293

>be in class
>set up server for my informatic teacher
>autistic classmate wants to help me
>"you forgot the mouse xD"

>>56906691
4chan is more from the old breed of online forums
Reddit/Facebook are the new breed of "megasites" which collect data and information from all across the web into a single highly controlled location, reddit is just slightly more open than Facebook is.

>>56907327
only hard part is troubleshooting hardware problems, most of the time you're lucky though.

I am the "computer dude" for both sides of my family, at Xmas I get given atleast 5 devices to fix and I fucking hate it. I have been forced to become good with computers just because old people are literally retarded. This generation is stupid as shit but as for tech older people are stupider.

>>56908391

Just add the uBlock host files to their hosts

>>56908391
iktf, at least they have the courtesy of paying me money to fix their problems at least.

>>56904340
>FPBP
The meme expressed by OP's green text is based on poor logic and a complete lack of historical perspective. People who owned cars at the advent of the automobile had to know something about mechanics. They were the masters of the technology when it was young because you couldn't be a user without at least attempting mastery. A few decades later the car became incomprehensible to most drivers and the work of mechanic was done by specialists. Now it's so specialized that even mechanics defer to other mechanics and engineers for large portions of their own work.

The advance of any given technology is always going to trend towards increasing optimization and complexity with early adopters having knowledge of the workings of the device giving way to mass adopters who are increasingly unaware and deferring to specialists.

>>56904293
WE didn't depend on technology, when it came along. But it was very useful.

People NOW, depend on it, like breathing. They "literally" die if you take away their NSA powered Facebook.

>>56904293
People today have the (arguable) benefit of mostly user friendly software. Smartphones, tablets, laptops and even desktops, are easy enough to use without learning how a computer works.

When I first started using computers, the most common OS was DOS and that was anything but user friendly, but it forced you to learn certain things about how computers worked. Early, unstable versions of windows weren't much better. That, I think, was a momentous occasion to learn how to use computers and is extremely advantageous to my (our?) age group. People older than me are (generally) computer illiterate. People younger than me (generally) don't know or care to learn how computers work.

Whether that is ideal or objectively good or bad, I don't really care. What I do care about is that it makes my skill set valuable.

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>>56904877
It's interesting, when my mom finally learned how to just use Google instead of asking me, I was relieved and yet also somewhat disappointed; suddenly the knowledge I had accumulated over years of Googling shit is worthless.

>>56908405
you don't understand... My grandad fell for a Nigerian monayzz scam and was contacted by a "law firm" who would help him with his case. The fucking twat fell for both of them. My cousin gave away all of his xbox live info in exchange for FIFA currency. My other cousin who is a "geek" and is probably browsing this board now tried to upgrade his dads PC and I swear to god that kids is fucking eating crayons, I can't even begin to describe what he did to the computer. Shit drives me mad. I don't want to be the tech guy, i'm only on this board atm to see if triple booting is possible or if I burn my uncles laptop.

>>56904293
> growing up with this technology

> growing up with the easiest to use UIs, and a locked-down computing enviornment on phones and computers

There's a reason sysadmins at serious companies are usually old as the hills, and their replacements are being hand-trained by them, rather than the companies just hiring college graduates to fill those roles.

>>56904293
Lack of patience and discipline. All media around us trains us to have short attention spans because they all compete. Our generation thinks they need adderall. They think they have ADD or ADHD when what they really have is laziness.

i grew up with technology
when i was around 8 my class was taken to the computer room and they made us do an IQ test wich i scored 130
then i went on to play Commander Keen and Skyroads wich i really loved
now im 21 year old, unemployed, put ads to fix computers everynow and then, trying to get a decent job with no education

>>56904293
>me be as kid
>want to do something on pc
>have to know the codes to get shit done
>nothing automatically
>need to install drivers for everyting

>be kid now
>everything works out of the box
>plug and play everything
>simple UI for everything
>google

In my case, I genuinely had a passion for computers and soaked up everything I could read about technology like a sponge. Also, my parents were retards with computers and I had nobody to turn to when shit broke, so I had to figure out how to fix things myself.

I'm 29 now and have a younger brother who doesn't have the same passion I do for computers and he isn't motivated to learn because if shit ever goes wrong he has me to help him.

dae le entitled millennials maymay

i am le old school and hate my generation

>>56904907
Wow, a fucking toddler can touch things. How retarded are people to be amazed by children being able to tap on a screen enough times to open something? If they can operate a mouse, let alone open Youtube on a proper desktop computer, than I would be surprised.

>>56908973
kys pls

>>56906691
muh sekrit 4chan club
youtube, facebook, and any sort of big sites that normal people use should be on the far left
the facebook section should be split between tumblr, reddit, shit like deviantart, and 4chan in that order
reddit section should be other image boards and torrent sites
4chan section is darkweb tier

>>56909407
nah
im pretty fit it would be a shame to ruin this perfect body except for smacking you in the face

>>56908973
Go to Udacity, dome some courses and use that knowledge to find a better job and stop pitting yourself.

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Congratulations you've become your grandma just for a different era. I know I'm a bit late but you're literally the smelly loser 80s unix turds insisting they know their computer better than you and that means you shouldn't have a job, and they always end up working some menial 20K/year IT "position"

take the smartphones you are so vocal about "kids" using. when they were new and just like now you probably pushed them away and disregarded them. You say you did this because flip phones are better but the truth is you are just scared of everything new just like you made fun of your grandma after she told you she fought the acceptance of PCs in the workplace for two whole decades because she was scared of them just like you.

Now go on indeed or any job board site and you see android and ios dev starting at $70K and there's markets for six figure jobs in it. You can call it a meme for a few years but once it hits 90% and suddenly you're the new old 80s unix fuck face whining about how PCs should stay shit you are just like your grandma holding onto her typewriters.

The other sad part is that most of the "older" people in this thread think they're safe because they're Gen Y but half of the age charts nowadays move the goalposts by saying "You have to have been born before the millennium and been an ADULT and adult is 25" so you could be 1975 and still be a millennial according to the old people you're trying so hard to pretend to be. According to older people Gen Y is dead as it has been eaten by millennial because the later is the current four letter word. labels are all memes but you're an extra piece of shit if you are literally repeating one that you think you aren't according to your own made up rules of age.

>>56906240
>says the guy who is from a country that fought Hitler yet still worships Hitler and compares Trump to Hitler, praising him as a god-emperor, yet Trump's daughter is Jewish, Trump's son in law is Jewish, and Trump's 3 grandkids are born Jewish


>/pol/ logic

>>56904293
>how has it come to this? rise of the smartphones? social networks? shitty education? millenials just being millenials?
It was to be expected. Same thing happened with Generation X and cars.

Plenty of baby boomers grew up understanding how cars worked and could mod stuff, change and repair, etc. in their youth, and that stayed as their hobby. Nowadays you have plenty of old 50-60 mechanics still rambling about old car models and being nostalgic about it.

Then, Generation X came, and they grew up with a much poorer understanding of automobile. It just wasn't their thing. They are the biggest users though. They all lived the car life, drive your car to work, and then back home in your suburb, etc.

Generation Z is to computing what Generation X was to car mechanics.

>>56906258
Your family member is retarded for not using a brace block. Natural selection at its finest.

I work retail. If you ever had to interact with the people raising these kids you'd understand why they're retarded. I have, on several occasions, had women attempt to pick up full sized refrigerators in ford focus and Volkswagen beetles.

> My other cousin who is a "geek" and is probably browsing this board now tried to upgrade his dads PC and I swear to god that kids is fucking eating crayons, I can't even begin to describe what he did to the computer.

I have to know.

The thing is, older people are often scared to use tech, fearing they break something that needs fixing and they don't know how.
Young children aren't afraid to poke the interface and figure out how to use software in the same sense, but with all distractions and games they don't need to figure out things any deeper..
If you grew up in the 80s or even 90s, you didn't have internet, at the internet of today, to solve every issues for you, so you needed to study things on a more fundamental level, if you wanted to learn computers that is. No fancy operating systems, also if you played games, there weren't that many around, even if you pirated them.
A good example is different generations of programmers, in the 70s they often got hired from other areas of industries, and often were women since there was lots of women typists.
They were familiar with work ethics and mentality, and they had a completely different approach to writing code, also it was a frontier unknown, so most things needed to be figured out for the first time.
Programmers in the 80s, especially self-taught ones, had a more outside of the box thinking and they started hacking things together, also they often had old school programmers teaching them..
and then we go to 90s and today, with more and more lazy code monkeys, straight out from college courses, not knowing any real fundamentals.. writing codes and scripts on an abstract layer not knowing what happens 'under the hood'.

>>56911678
>"at the internet of today"
meant to say, 'at least not the internet we have today'.

>>56908626
Knowing DOS or being able to fix archaic windows issues is hardly a 'skill set'
>>56908973
>>56909038
knowing where to click when operating system is messed doesn't mean you know computers.
Using the car analogy; you know how to change your windshield wipers, or how to swap a tyre.
Unless you know at least some C or similarly low level code, and you actually know what happens with CPU and memory, you can't claim to actually be savvy with computers.

>>56904293
>no one mentions Trump's 10 years old son, and how, for him, "The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough"

>>56904293
srs I won't be surprised if the kids born today in 2016 will ever have to own a PC larger than a tablet. technology is getting easier as its getting more pervasive. we already have phoneposters here and this is a site for losers who you'd think would be technologically adept.

Here's why:

When I was a kid 25-30 years ago computers were something you got into and they weren't as user friendly as today. You had to figure shit out and learn and whatever the fuck else and you often ended up legitimately interested in learning more and delving deeper

These days it's all real user friendly. Somebody has already done everything for you. You don't need to learn how to do anything. The only people who know how to do anything are people who develop a passion for computers but most people today use them like a microwave they bang their facebook in for 3 minutes and they're done and have no interest in knowing how anything works.

That said there's a LOT more tech literate people these days they are just swallowed up by the masses who are also using a lot of tech these days.

At the end of the day being "tech literate" and bothering with tech as a kid has me opening up and fixing Amigas as a hobby like an autist. "hey man what do you do in your spare time?" "oh dude i fix bad solder jobs on amiga 500s!"

>>56905109
It's good to hear you haven't violated the court order.

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>>56904494
basically yeah in my household
I'm 23, my younger brother (16) doesn't know how to do anything besides turn the damn pc on and log into steam. If anything is wrong with our computers/electronics he calls me to come over and fix it. Can't even replug the goddamn ethernet cable when it disconnects occasionally.
>>56904587
I used to google everything until I figured it out. It's crazy to me how he doesn't even care to understand how his stuff works. It's not even like I'm some oldfag either.

This has happened since the dawn of technology and it will continue to happen until we as a species go extinct. it's what happens when you have a large population capable of specializing it's labor. You don't grow your own food, do you? Do you inspect the grains you purchase at the supermarket? No you fucking don't, because that facet of society was made a specialized industry thanks to advances in ag tech that happened centuries ago. And believe me, when people stopped needing to grow their own damn wheat for sustenance you can be sure the older generations bitched about them being lazy.

>>56904293
>tfw to intelligent to be born

>>56904293
>how has it come to this? rise of the smartphones? social networks? shitty education? millenials just being millenials?
yes.

>>56904293
>he thinks teenagers are millenials

>>56904293
jeuvanoia, pretty much

>>56911397
>brace block
What is a brace block? I've never heard that term.

>>56912568
LMAU u watch vsauce to? XD

>>56904293
What happens is this >>56905074
As not everyone is interested, they only use the bare minimum to be satisfied, and ignore all potential there is on computers. People can't learn without having interest, and without learning they can't do more than they already can.

>>56904293
My mom learned to code using punch cards.

She doesn't understand a standard GUI though.

I believe the real reason for this is that she got formal training with punch cards but none using a modern PC.

I mean, is everyone just supposed to be born with their era's knowledge?

>>56904494
I don't drive anyway. But these things can be learnt by YouTube anyway. I fixed my toilet that way.

>>56904877
>I get many questions computer-related from my nephews
Not every people in this generation is like your nephews.

>Even my parents know to google shit
Not every people in this generation is like your parents.

>>56904907
>My parents know fuck all about computers.
Not every people in this generation is like your parents.

>My dad needs help
Not every people in this generation is like your dad.

>My 2 year old niece
Not every people in this generation is like your niece.

>>56905086
>my 10 year old nephew
Not every people in this generation is like your nephew.

>my mom had some photos
Not every people in this generation is like your mom.

>>56905216
>We are the last generation who will have had computer literacy as a passion
>it means we have the chance to get rich af in our lifetimes

How about Richard Stallman? It has a passion for computer literacy, but isn't rich as fuck.

>>56904494
I can do those, I also know how to take care of my leather shoes which seems to be a thing a lot of people my age dont know about.

>>56910691
>Greatest generation fought in WWII
>Literally a generation of mass murderers, segregationists and child rapists is the greatest

People really believe this? No wonder why neo fascist are growing so strong nowadays

>all these autistic homos who think they're renaissance men because they ran dos commands or installed their own video driver to play computer games when they were a kid

back in my day the only phone game we had was snake and apps were called applications. but you coddled millennials wouldn't know anything about that.

>>56904293
Technology today just werks. And if it just werks there is no need to learn about how it actually works.

Then again I doubt most of us could actually do anything more complicated then an oil change on their car so really we're all just a bunch of hypocrites bitching about people having it easier then us as our parents say the same thing about us and their parents said about them.

>>56912877
He could have been if he sold his compiler instead of giving it away, but be glad he didn't or else none of us would be using this site right now which is probably running on a variant of Gannooo linnux/BSD.

>>56912853
I don't even understand half of GUIs, they're cancer ridden and designed now for tablets, so every page has a bunch of shitty iOS copied icons for navigation, loads so much java aids with autoplay videos that I have to abandon unless reader mode is available ("This page is not responding, would you like to stop this script from loading Y/n").

>>56907531
I see technology as modern wizardry, where "wizards" understand the magic, but the shit might as well be alien to the "warrior".

>>56904956
what did he mean by this

>>56912654
maybe he means a wheel chock

>>56912877
Because he's a retarded toe cheese eater, lit

>>56906108
>They've grown up in a world of instant gratification and zero effort necessary to accomplish anything.
*like*
*like*
*like*

>>56906211
>everyone is exposed to almost exclusively the idiots of this generation
1 million of views on YouTube.

>>56904494
who cares, my first car will be electric anyway. I'm not using the hydrocarbon Jew unless it's to lubricate parts and shit

Young people are users
Users don't think, they consume

>>56908391
Mandate that if they want a system fixed, it has to have Gentoo on it.

If they're that stupid to fork over money to a nigerian scammer, you can probably talk to them about how a Gentoo keeps their device running as technology as possible.

Or any distro that doesn't make it easy for them to download a dickload of toolbars. I use Void myself, but heck, if you find something with a suitable GUI package manager which doesn't use ancient as fuck packages (in other words, Debian Stable is out of the question), you could try that.

As for scams, well, not much you can do there.

>>56908626
>Early, unstable versions of windows weren't much better.
You typed in "win" and hit enter, and that's assuming you didn't add that to autoexec.bat.

>>56904293
computers are not some special hobby they are tools like any other you fucking retard.

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Shit is locked down in the name of anti-piracy, DRM and anti-malware.

Operating systems (even Linux) carry so much legacy bloat.

>>56904293
if you're under 40 you're a millennial.

>>56907209
>Being GOD TIER GENIUS LEVEL at Computers and Technology is on the same level as being Shawn Lane, John McLaughlin and Allan Holdsworth on guitar.
I don't know who that last guy is but you got my fucking attention

good taste in music my man

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>>56908391
PROTIP: Tell them to buy Macs so that it's some chucklefuck blueshirt's problem, not yours.

It doesn't matter if you don't know the innerworkings of a computer as long as you know how to misspell things at Google. The problem is that people aren't learning how to misspell at Google because they expect everything to just werk.

>>56904293
http://www.coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/
/thread

>>56904293
maybe because were comparing 14year olds with 40year olds. 26years is a lot of time to learn

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>>56909715
>4chan section is darkweb tier

>And where advocates for stocking classrooms with technology say children need computer time to compete in the modern world, Waldorf parents counter: what’s the rush, given how easy it is to pick up those skills?


>“It’s supereasy. It’s like learning to use toothpaste,” Mr. Eagle said. “At Google and all these places, we make technology as brain-dead easy to use as possible. There’s no reason why kids can’t figure it out when they get older.”

In the 80s, were most people knowledgeable about computers?
How about the 90s?
The 00s?
Why is the 10s any different

Most people are dumb and this will NEVER change.

>>56905674
>if you have a life outside of technology, you will NEVER make it
this

You're up against people who consider life to be a series of annoying interruptions to their time inside the computing world

>>56909715
>4chan section is darkweb tier
0/10

the darkweb is full of illiterate pedophiles sharing pictures of girls and asking whether the other pedos think the girls would enjoy being fucked in the ass

>>56913743
In 2007 we called that /g/.

Yeah I dunno, my mom is actually pretty competent with technology, one of my sisters is nearly as good as her, and then there's my youngest sister who is a complete moron. She once got tricked into giving her information out by a popup that told her that her computer had a virus. Not even fucking kidding. We had computers and high speed internet during my early teen years, she was even younger than that, so there's literally no fucking excuse.

>>56904293
Same thing as always: lack of interest.

I wouldn't say they're dumb, they just take things for granted.
I know a lot of people who don't know shit about tech. It's just like me with history, for example. I don't know much since i'm not interested at all, but that doesn't make me a retard.

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>>56913743
>the darkweb is full of illiterate pedophiles sharing pictures of girls and asking whether the other pedos think the girls would enjoy being fucked in the ass

>tfw you thought the darkweb would be full of cool shit
>tfw you realize it's just cp and drugs

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>>56912082
I really hope you don't actually go over and fix his problems.

>>56913955
It's so true, but this is why I love you guys

>>56908391
Man the fuck up and say no. Or at the very least:
"Hey anon can you fix xyz"
"Oh, sorry, I don't know how to do that."
"...Really?"
"Yea sorry. I haven't been up to date on these sort of things. Try and find a repair shop."

>>56904293
For the same reason you don't have to teach history to someone who has lived through it. No matter how many history books you'll read you won't know better than your grandpa who was in Vietnam.

>>56904293
we had a fucking 8th grader as a summer intern this year who was using Arch complete with like, base16 colors in his .Xresources. kid was cool

>>56913353
This is exactly what is wrong with the world.
>Muh carbon based fuel

Good luck when SHTF and you can't flee your area because your electric car doesnt work anymore.

>>56904877
>every computer they own (newphews) gets broken in 1-2 years

>friends 11yo kid slams mouse down when he gets killed in minecraft
>breaks it
>slams keyboard
>breaks it
>spills juice into his case
>kills gpu
>still can't install minecraft mods despite guiding him countless times (and it's literally just extract into the mods folder for most of them)

old people are tricky, but kids now are even worse
at least older people have used older things which needed at least a little reading to understand, even if it wasn't a computer
kids now don't expect to have to know anything to use something, modern computers and software are too simple

relevant reading
http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/

>>56913964
bro-con love

gotta do it for the boipucci reward

>>56904340
>>56904340
>when was the last time you needed to put your own device together, install the software from command line, and figure out how to do stuff without having a 2 click solution?
3 days ago

>>56913535
I was waiting for someone to post this, it perfectly sums up the difference between growing up around technology and being literate in it.

>>56910691
>AIDS emerges
What a coincidence. What did the chart mean by this?

>>56904293
>they will be masters of it!
kek

>>56915482
It's not even accurate, AIDS was around since the mid 60s.
The 80s is when it was noticed.

>>56904293
>rise of smartphones
not exactly the problem. dumbed and locked down smartphones, with shit preinstalled so they don't even have to install fagsapp
>social networks
yes, all they do everyday
>shitty education
yes, people who learned computing in schools are the dumbest when it comes to computers.
>millenials
keep /pol/ memes in /pol/

>>56904494

This plus the fact that we are their parents and do it for them.
I mean a general we, as /g/ does not usually spend time with real women.

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>>56915621
>millennials are a /pol/ meme
wew

>>56904494
Change a water tap implies reseating and replace washers right?

You raise a horrible possibility: people fixing taps by unscrewing the whole thing then screwing on a new one. Dreadful thought.

>>56910816
underrated post

>>56915482
It means that's when AIDS was noticed after AIDS was invented in labs as a biological weapon.

>>56907418
>Kids nowadays are smarter than we were, that's an statistical fact
False. Flynn effect reverse. We're actually the smartest generation in written history.

>>56915621
>stay contained
Keep /lgbt/ in lgbt faggot

>>56907209
>Shawn Lane, John McLaughlin and Allan Holdsworth
literally who?

Nobody except some nerds know them so you shouldn't strive to be them, anyways.

>>56911864
>C
>low-level

>>56917316

> Nobody except some nerds know them

"Some nerds" who know them: Miles Davis, Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, Carlos Santana, Eddie van Halen, Joe Satriani, Frank Zappa, Alex Lifeson...

So you shouldn't strive to be a person who plants the seed of greatness in others, just because you yourself won't be famous?

>>56906026
>he fell for the millennial meme
It's a meaningless buzzword to fill out magazine columns. It has been a thing since the Me Generation and Generation X after it. Don't fall for these spooks.

>>56904665
Good goy

>>56907418
Best post ITT

>>56904293
technology = ways to be lazy

>>56917688
He's right though. Better to be master of a few crafts while having various friends who are masters of their own respective fields that are different to yours, instead of being a mediocre jack of all trades.

>>56913451
Haha, good one anon. Have fun with the Apple store people being retarded and not being able to fix the problem.

At one point my aunt's laptop broke due to something being spilled on it. She took it to the apple store and basically just told her it was fucked.

I took a look at it, plugged it in, and I hear a boot sound. I plugged it into an external monitor and it turns out it was just the screen that was broken.

I've also had to do shit like uninstall MacKeeper from another family member's computer.

>>56912704
The word existed before that. Calm down.

>>56914737
No, this is nothing but a rambling of a fool.

>>56904293
They don't have to know. Just like you don't have to know how your car works and your father probably did.

>>56904293
>/g/ complains about comp-sci/STEM fields being oversaturated with young newcomers that end up increasing competition while lowering cost of demand for employment
>/g/ then complains about how the younger generations are not technologically adept and educated enough like they are

Did someone order a large serving of cognitive dissonance today?

>>56917785
I think we need to define that there are two classes of people: techie people, and non-techie people.

Techie people will tend to know the bare minimum set of skills, plus at least some high level knowledge of computers/programming or whatever.

Non-techie people will learn the bare minimum of what they need to operate a computer and do what they want. 10 or 15 years ago it took a little more knowledge to use a word processor or browse the web. Now, the bar has been lowered and it's easier for kids to just open up a computer and log onto facebook, so they're not motivated to learn anywhere past that.

>>56917876
>Non-techie people will learn the bare minimum of what they need to operate a computer and do what they want. 10 or 15 years ago it took a little more knowledge to use a word processor or browse the web. Now, the bar has been lowered and it's easier for kids to just open up a computer and log onto facebook, so they're not motivated to learn anywhere past that.

And how this is a bad thing? You raise your knowledge according to your needs.

>>56918071
It's not necessarily a bad thing, I'm just pointing out that /g/ isn't necessarily hypocritical for complaining about young people for two mutually exclusive reasons.

>>56906070
>Not knowing about post-victorial dysgenics in genetic g

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>>56904293

>they are actually more retarded than our parents

this is incorrect. Parents can't even program a fucking remote

>>56918672
brah, my mum programs her VCRs so efficiently you wouldn't even know what's happening
she has 3 running sometimes even at the same time

>mfw I sent a macfag classmate a .zip with all the stuff needed for a asignment and she said it won't open

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>>56904293
Idiot - Knows they're an idiot and will battle this for the rest of their lives. Knows they always have more to learn.
Idiot who knows about tech - Believes they're smart and will never improve. Will never run into the tech mistrust wall that sends them flying back to basic maths, physics and chemistry. A complete tool forever.

Its because the current generation of kids (1-19) are being raised by middle-aged wage slaves who have no idea what tech is, or by 20-30 year olds who are too busy partying to teach their kids anything.

In both situations, the kids are given iPads to shut them up, so its no wonder they're technology-retarded.

>>56917735
>Uninstall MacKeeper over Christmas
>Come down next yera, uninstall MacKeeper again

>>56904293

>kids are as lazy as their parents

I think children 70s-80s needed deeper knowledge of technology just to use computers. The newer generation has been spared the rod with their scripting languages and 128G of RAM.

Truth is children now grow-up with computers, but how are they applying this knowledge is more telling.

>>56920213
the gift that keeps on giving

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrXnE9NDztw&spfreload=10
>Watch this without dying inside or wanting to kill children

>>56920854
>2016
>watching youtube
Anyway, could you provide tl;dr?

>>56921053
Shitty advert that'a always on TV. A bunch of 8 year olds claiming to be masters of technology, while ecstasy of gold plays in the background.
It's painful.

>>56920854
>Watch this without dying inside or wanting to kill children
but that's my current state

>>56921134
>advert that's always on TV
i remember TV, haven't watched that in a long time

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>>56921134
people still watch tv?

>>56921767
>people still watch tv?
This, wtf?

>>56910816
get em daddy

>>56912074
kek

>>56904293

>how has it come to this?

If you find everything "just werks" you never have to ask and don't grow that much.

>rise of the smartphones? social networks?

Also this.

>>56904494
This. I can't do much with my car besides change a tire and check the oil, but I can do plenty with a computer.
Thankfully almost everyone in my family is a tradesman, we have electricians, plumbers, mechanics, carpenters, etc. So if I need something related to their trade, I call them, and if they need their computer fixed they call me.

>>56904293
We grew up with simplistic standards in computing.
I'm an 18 fag and I never grew up with dial up internet or anything like that. I had to learn everything about realistic computing myself.

>>56905674
cuck

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>>56908973
> Commander Keen
> 21 years old

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>>56909885
>130 iq
>wich

>>56920854
No, I want to strangle the group of 35 year old advertising marketers who made them recite those lines.
Wake up, millennial.

it's a cultural problem. education has not kept pace with technology, tech skills are undervalued, snowflake mentality

>>56926038
read
>>56917785

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>First day at work at my first actual real job
>no one types 100+ WPM
>no one uses Linux
>iphones everywhere
>how do I mouse and keyboard? intelligence level

yay job security!

>>56913662
Underrated post. It has little to do with age.

>>56917785
> newcomers lowering demand for tech employment
> newcomers not technologically adept
You do realise these are not mutually exclusive right?

Spare the rod, spoil the child.

>>56926094
You'll be the first one fired because you're not sociable enough, you made no friends with management and nobody likes you.

>>56904293
How would you teach a kid about computers?

>>56920854
I live in the state of the constant contempt for couple of years already. Weak stuff like this do nothing to me at this point.

>>56906306
Not him, but absolutely not.

We got September'd back in late 2006 / early 2007, and everything everywhere has slowly gotten worse since.

>>56911523
Then actually reply to his post, fucktard.

>>56908715
Please explain.

And yes, triple booting is possible.

>>56905165
>>56904293
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>>56904976
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>>56906118
Well, the newer generation is becoming less intelligent mostly because of socialism.
If the poor/dumb can be provided for and sustain themselves, they reproduce, and usually in great numbers, leading to more poor dumb people.
Common sense?

redundant as fuck post but, wtvr.

kids will never have to build an actual machine from base components, or worse, like... cache and stuff, so, if you were a computer person in the 80s-90s, you could almost see the hardware interacting with software, you wanted windows? you needed to install DOS and get that shit cranking manually...

but now the concept of the desktop is fading, which, in it's essence, was that, meant to be on top of a desk, where people work on things, where else do people own desks? regardless this new generation was spoiled, or, maybe not, possibly robbed of that paradigm, by being given smartphones where all you need to do is tap the screen, and if it breaks it'll cost 150$ for repairs and there's likely no way to do it on your own. all the apps, updates, revs and software are spoon fed and standardized.

given there's probably still a large niche sub-sub-culture of gamers and others who will know what to do with a screwdriver if the power button is broken or any number of obsolete tricks, including firmware swaps.

>>56904293
I heard a 10 year old explaining graphics APIs to his grandmother a few days ago. Children's TV networks are losing money to YouTube big-time. 5th grade primary schoolers are running around with new iPhones. It's getting concerning

>>56917735
oh dear godlessness.... I can't conceive why people buy apple products... or what their niche is in terms of functionality. my best guess is marketing IS the issue at hand, that, they baby you all the way and have one mouse button. "user friendly" yes, but, consider how it's also a trend, that caught on from, "not looking like a geek" and 6$ toast, it became a status symbol as well, and the gears of societal shift came around and bit down. like light up sneakers for tumblrinas and "photographers". but i digress, this direction has become the standard and accepted principal demand from the consumer market and it's consistently heading in that direction.

given their planned obsolescence scheme and expensive software, limited scalability, and high take away price, it's not a tool for industry either, whereas you can have a P4 or some other antique running all your car shop's receipts and documents with an adequate HD, and it can (unless shit breaks or wears out) still run perfectly fine for these menial tasks. a mac would die out after 3 years and some smarmy prick would say "a 3 year old computer *scoffs* who would want THAT?" and your business's records are gone forever, or... maybe on someone else's computer AKA "the cloud".

>>56927937
gangnam style was literally about making fun of the lifestyle of chasing status symbols which are beyond your means. even if you don't understand the lyrics the video makes it painfully obvious.

the best part is that the retard who popularized the song so much in the US are the same ones that it made fun of.

>>56927937
where I live apple is pretty much the only company who tries to deliver a good laptop to the market. You can go to lenovo and all their shit is 1366x768 and just as overpriced.

>>56912924
i fucking hate seeing guys with tattered up leather shoes
TAKE CARE OF THEM YOU FRAT IDIOTS
THEY'RE NOT YOU'RE FUCKING SPERRYS

Anything that "just werks" in technology is new and therefore more expensive than other solutions.

>>56926497
Well try to teach your kids by only letting them have secondhand and/or outdated stuff.

I think it should be that fucking simple. Stop buying them the latest gadgets when your kid IS A FUCKING KID, stop being a pussy and an insufferable hipster.

>>56905074
>many people just aren't clever enough to figure it out.
I'm a fucking retard and taught myself more than the average persons does. It's got nothing to do with being clever.

>>56904293
What baffles me the most is the rise of alternative chat platforms: wechat, facebook "connector" something, viber, whatsapp...

People don't even fucking get what this is all about, they believe it's just a little icon on your phone.

They don't realize things like email or tests/SMS are absolutely universal and supported by every single device, not to mention independant, unlike others which are just data mining platforms.

On one hand, it's incredible that they just work and allow you to connect to people, without creating an account and exchanging stuff others, but thata's really one step forward and two backwards. Soon people won't even be able to open up an imageboard on their browser, and that's a great thing.

>>56904293
Who cares. Let's just develop some apps that these halfwits will pay for

>>56908666
This is dumb. It would be the equivalent of saying that you used to learn interesting topics for fun, but now that someone else also learns them, all your accumulated knowledge is useless. Makes no sense fampai.

>>56904293
the fun part is that we give tech to our children but they don't know how it works really works(not that: it has a processor that does everything yabadaba shit) the fucking raw code lines that make the device you dumb millfuckups. yeah they dont know about the code shit and that is why we will hit a big fuckign trump wall with shit we have done. mmkay xD