I still don't get why anyone should care about surveillance

>>56882430
you're probably retarded, it doesn't take much brainpower to imagine why people might be irked about constant obtrusive surveillance

What about a fucking business secret? Any research you don't have stolen from you? Information about where you want to invest in?

There's almost infinitely things you can keep secret without doing anything wrong.

Are you a fucking idiot or what?

>>56882430
Kill yourself. This is not a meme. I'm actually advocating that you commit suicide. Kill yourself.

>>56882430
Let me have access to your email, facebook, game, twitch, bank, etc., accounts if you have nothing to hide OP. :^)

Michael row the boat ashore.

A decent catch from such obvious bait.

>>56882430
>I still don't get why anyone should care about surveillance if they aren't doing anything wrong
You needn't worry about anything important, assuming you will be ending your own life soon.

>>56882430

What's fine today might not be fine tomorrow.

While some people face persecution for their ideas today, they could face prosecution for their ideas if we give up our freedoms.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

>>56882430
Who defines what is wrong?
It might not be wrong to be a faggot in your country, OP, but it is in others. And as such they do have something to hide, although you may not think that they actually do something wrong.

>>56882430
Let's say you're not doing anything wrong, but since you're clearly autistic you do a lot of stupid, embarassing things. Or maybe you just did some things when you were young that you're not proud of.
Now imagine that someone has the power to use that information against you whenever they see fit.

>>56882510
HEY LER

>>56882430
>>56882430

I agree. I guess they are scared people will know they watch Hentai.

>>56882430
How does spying my home webcams help a government of a different country? Will you be okay to open up your phone cameras, webcams and microphones to N Korea/China/Iran/Russia? What do I gain in return of the sacrifice of my civilian privacy?


0/10 Dumb faggot

>>56882430
Just because you aren't doing anything wrong doesn't mean you're doing everything right, which means there's always room for the government to come after you.

>>56882567
Fortunatly i joined the SS and had no reason to be concerned.

>>56882430
What if you're not doing anything wrong but they say you are? They are allowed to watch you. They can easily make something up, because they know your routine. Why? Because they don't want someone else to be blamed, and they don't care about what happens to someone like you.

>>56882430
>your neighbour constantly looks in your windows to see what you get up to
>keeps logs of what he's seen for an indefinite amount of time and for reasons he's never specified
>if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't be annoyed or worried!

>>56882430
most people would only say that with the assumption that such information won't show up anywhere public or be visibly used for anything

just about nobody would appreciate something like being followed around 24/7 with the video feed being broadcast live on television around the world

>>56882430
Do you lock your doors on your house, or just leave everything unlocked all the time?

>>56882430
It's against the law.

>>56882430
Please post your verified name, address, phone number, place of work, email and password. Thanks.

For the same reason you close your curtains and don't give people your email password

>>56882430
Maybe you don't care now.
But you'll care a lot more the day people "caught you" doing something "wrong".

>>56882430
That dude is kind of a badass. No fucks given. He seems greedy with his fucks, as if he guards his fucks with his life. I bet women love that he gives no fucks. It's obvious that all men would wish to be as fuckless as this guy. This dude has the demeanor as if he thinks in his mind "fuck fucks." He lacks fucks so when he does have any fucks to give, he takes special care of them. This guy's fucks are priceless. He keeps his fucks in a jar under his pillow because his fucks are scarce and rare. I bet if the jar of his fucks broke he wouldn't even give a fuck, that's how many fucks this guy has. I rarely have seen a man with such fucklessness. Fuck.

Nothing wrong with it. The only problem is one side is entitled to privacy, the other isn't. It's a matter of fairness. What makes someone cut from a finer cloth?

>>56882430


>>56883718

>>56882430
It's a form of control.

>>56882430
That scratching at your window at night, it's me, and I'm liking what I see!

>>56882430
because my data will power a kind of algorithm I'm not OK with, through statistics I've never agreed to participate in.

I don't know where the confidence you're not doing anything wrong comes from.

>>56882430

By that logic you'd be OK with the government having full access to your browser history. What's wrong, anything to hide? ;)

>>56882430
do you use curtains or blinds on your windows? something to hide?

>>56882430
Would you let me install cameras and microphones in your home? Why not, have something to hide?


Man get the fuck outta here you fucking cuck.

>>56882430
When you jerk off to Internet porn I will know exactly when you are doing it because I can see what websites you're visiting in real-time. While you're watching Internet porn and beating your meat, I will be watching and recording you through your Macbook Pro icam and I will record the wet smacking sounds and your homoerotic pants. I may choose to blackmail you with the video and audio recording, threatening to make you look as if you were chatting up a minor online to make you look like a pedophile because you sent this to her. You're ok with this, right? It's not like you're doing something wrong.

>>56884428
Dafuq you talkin bout bitch

>>56887159
Have you ever heard about the sun?
Literally worst argument I've ever seen

>>56887700
are you a vampire?

>>56882430
Yeah, I mean who do they think the government is paying to read all their emails and why?

>>56884416
When you're in that sort of situation and haven't instantly died you almost feel like nothing can kill you, and you keep very calm. It's hard to explain.

>>56882430
You don't care until your data gets into wrong hands.

>>56882430
fuck you, you subordinate bitch. keep doing what youre told

>>56882430
Nice try NSA.

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>>56882430

Here is why you should care about surveillance even if you have done nothing wrong. Today we have liberalist governments with a broadly left wing agenda. What is legal today might not be legal tomorrow, and if they know what you like today, they will put you inside for it tomorrow. Another reason is that nobody had a referendum to decide whether they want government imposed on them, nobody asked to be born to a particular regime, who the fuck put them in charge with surveillance? When were you consulted about voting for ever more government surveillance?

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These threads are like the equivalent of "athiests can't define atheism" threads on /b/. The only difference being that this is more than likely an information gathering operation that will be used against privacy advocates in the future.

>>56882430
https://youtu.be/HckcY_hSbjs?t=289

Reminder this is a psyop to get you used to constant surveillance

>>56882430
t. CIA Nigger

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Except digital surveillance is itself a slope towards doing everything wrong.
In case you missed it during the Paris attacks, the Human Intelligence in the West has deteriorated to an unimaginably low level since the 90's.
The laziness, obsession with ease, and the lower and lower quantity of individuals with field experience,
as field experience itself has been substituted with digital jerking,
has produced the worst generations in military and police ranks in the past 2 centuries.
The terrorists during the Paris attacks even used non-encrypted communication.

Digital surveillance should be scrapped or at least heavily defunded so incentive can be put on Human Intelligence,
while defunding surveillance will force the existing programs to focus on quality rather than chaotic worthless quantity.
Most importantly, politics needs to change as bad politics is the source of terrorism. Surveillance isn't an answer to a problem which is born of shitty politics, shitty decision making, shitty choices in which groups your retarded government will fund (and inadvertently create terrorists out of them).

So yes, surveillance is an indicator that everything else has failed from ground up. It's an excuse so as not to admit failure out of pride in areas that have been fucked up.

>>56892033
>advocates defunding the NSA to give more to the CIA
Hi CIA.


East Germany focused on HUMINT more than SIGINT too, look what happened with them. More of any type of intelligence discipline leads to an increase of a police state. And this is indeed already a surveillance police state.

>>56882430
How do you know that you aren't doing anything wrong? Did you read every single law in the U.S and local legal codes?

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>>56892109
>East Germany focused on HUMINT more than SIGINT too, look what happened with them.
And Japan focused on building infrastructure and technology, look what happened with them.
Such stupid arguments can apply to anything if one knows a bit of history.

The thing is that Human Intelligence actually would stop terrorism because it focuses on tangible contact,
while digital surveillance only benefits fucking ad firms with how shit is now with the NSA shit.
And considering those agencies always need funding, it's not even a question of whether or not they are selling all that surveillance on the people to ad companies, it's a matter of rational and logical management and self-funding that they certainly are. If they aren't, then there's no intelligence in the intelligence agency.
And this is the problem.

>>56884060
Then don't do anything wrong.

Is it so difficult to not break the law?
Fucking loli hoarding weaboos, of course you'd be paranoid if you keep cp on your computer.

>>56892033
you're making some strong claims, but your last statement is almost always true.

mass surveillance is like the "oh shit oh shit oh shit" when politics and especially control goes wrong.

>>56892253
>Is it so difficult to not break the law?
do you even know about every law that might apply to you?

>>56892365
He's going to say yes when even the feds don't know all the laws on the books.

>>56892365
No, but I know enough not to be worried.

Things like cp are an obvious no-no.
Too bad weaboos don't understand that

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>>56892253
besides the fact that there are way too many laws and regulations for an average person (in america, at least) to avoid EVER breaking any laws, the notion that there is NO reason to privacy would lead to the conclusion that you should have glass walls in your vehicle and house, and that you should log your dreams, actions and purchases for your landlord or mayor or president to review.

obviously there is need for surveillance of some things, for instance, it is beneficial for security agencies to know where explosives and radioactive materials are. for instance, if you have nothing t hide, then you shouldnt be worried if people are allowed to make sure you have no warheads. however, the argument is not suitable for the general case.

counterpoint: if you have nothing to hide, what is wrong with google (through google chrome) logging all of your underwear, sex toy, candy purchases and then giving it to not only the government, but other private groups as well? you have nothing to be afraid of, right?

the argument should be, like most instances of liberty-vs-safety, if there is enough to gain from the lessening of liberty to warrant that lessening. duh.

>>56892488
>No, but I know enough not to be worried.
you know this how?
because you haven't been called up about it?
what if everything you did was monitored automatically, such that anything you do illegally is immediately known, would you be confident you'd never break any obscure law then?

>>56892529
Because I've read through the laws and was satisfied. I can't remember all of them obviously, but I know enough.

>>56892543
you've read through the laws?
are you a lawer? because hardly anybody actually reads laws unless they are, or have been caught breaking it

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>>56882430
Hope Gigi is alive and well.

>>56882430
Your ignorance is somebody elses strength. or "Freedom is slavery"

>>56892253

>Then don't do anything wrong.
>Is it so difficult to not break the law?

Kek you're retarded. You likely break several laws a day and don't even realise it.

Do you connect to open WiFi Hotspots at coffee shops and other public areas? Did you get explicit permission from the person who pays for the Internet access at the place? No? You just broke the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act law, kiddo.

Did you swear when you were talking to your friend in public recently? You just disturbed the peace which is a criminal offense.

Did you drive your car just a little over the speed limit last week? You broke the law.

>"Bu-but it was only 1 or 2 mph over the limit, Officer!"

Why do you find it so difficult to obey the law, buddy?

>>56892560
No, I was bored.

>hardly anybody actually reads laws
There's your problem. If you don't know the rules no wonder you're so paranoid of breaking them.

>>56882430
Because it's not wrong or illegal to send pictures of my ass to guys on craigslist, then have conversations with them about how I'm a sissy faggot that wants to swallow his cum, then meeting them and doing just so, but I'd still like that to be a private affair.

>>56892581
sauce?

>>56892206
You're an idiot. Just another pro-police state shill.

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>>56882430
When's commander Givi getting a movie? Fuck batman and captain america

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>>56882430

>>56882430
A good analogy is your pissing in public bathrooms and someone decides to look at you take a piss, you don't have anything to hide but you don't want the person too look at you.

>>56892682
what this guy said. it's a common idiom where full surveillance would cause a breakdown of separation of powers (in american constitutional govt) because the executive branch would be able to pick and choose who to punish because technically, almost everyone, literally nearly 100%, is a criminal.

>>56887475
He's saying why can't we fucking walk into the NSA headquarters and read all their files?

Steal your secrets.

Steal your pictures.

Watch you work and build detailed profiles of everyone based off what they do on computer.

Find out every ideology you subscribe to.

Basically you're doxxd harder then you've ever been before.

>>56882430
An evil god controls a rogue intelligence agency that branched off the CIA known as MK Ultra. We can protect ourselves from its influences by encryption and hiding in anonymity.

This is the new breed on enlightenment

educate yourselves

>>56896175
go back to /x/

>>56882430
I dont get why anyone needs to be surveilled if they arnt doing anything wrong.

>>56896202
“What does a scanner see? he asked himself. I mean, really see? Into the head? Down into the heart? Does a passive infrared scanner like they used to use or a cube-type holo-scanner like they use these days, the latest thing, see into me - into us - clearly or darkly? I hope it does, he thought, see clearly, because I can't any longer these days see into myself. I see only murk. Murk outside; murk inside. I hope, for everyone's sake, the scanners do better. Because, he thought, if the scanner sees only darkly, the way I myself do, then we are cursed, cursed again and like we have been continually, and we'll wind up dead this way, knowing very little and getting that little fragment wrong too.”
― Philip K. Dick, A Scanner Darkly

>>56882430
Some people do not believe the government can be trusted with a blank check in compromising individual privacy. With good reasons.