Can we stop with the "GNU" meme? https://en.wikip

Wikipedia is built on CONSENSUS by the community.

The CONSENSUS in the Linux community has been reached on its name.

The name of the OS is LINUX, it doesn't matter if it uses some GNU utils

Otherwise it should be called GNU/Linux/XWindow/GNOME etc.

Fuck GNU. It's Linux

>>56699060
I don't even use GNU tools. Busybox for life.

>>56699105
>I don't even use GNU tools
Based.
I'm tempted to do the same. I don't want to use anything that's been touched by the filth that is FSF / Stallman

>>56699060
Nah, the name of the OS is the name of the distro you are using. Still GNU/Linux is a useful way to distinguish common Linux kernel based OSs from Android, BSD kernel variants of Debian/Gentoo and the likes of Alpine.

If anyone here ever gets old enough to take an operating systems class, they'll learn the OS and the kernel are one in the same.

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100% agree anon

arguments why call it GNU is also extremely weak

compiler argument is out because no one else demands naming rights because of compiler used
license argument is out because no one else demands naming rights because of the license used

so whats left are core utils, and they might have some ground to stand on, if by the time linux was out they really really had everything BUT the kernel
but what they actually had was just few utils that they copied from unix
you dont get to name shit just because you made cat, rm or ls...

but most important argument is that its stupid to call it anything else but linux

>>56699489
Microsoft didn't call their products ntoskrnl.exe and neither did Apple call theirs XNU.

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Just edit the wikipedia article.

>>56699545
glibc

>affiliating yourself with communists
no thanks

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>56699575
falls in to same category as compiler

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>>56699060
Install Gentoo GNU/Linux

>>56699604
you can run other programs without a compiler

>>56699169
But you still use ugly and fat glibc, gcc, coreutils, binutils, make, emacs, nano, grep, find

>>56699060
>Linux is Unix-like
no it's not.

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>>56699575
But I can use Gentoo musl or Gentoo uclibc with clang instead, where is your God now?

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>>56699594
pic related

>>56699713
You can use Gentoo without Linux. Where is yours?

>>56699748
But Hurd is GNU kernel, or you meant BSD?

>>56699768
Both can be used with the GNU operating system.

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>56699821
see, pic related
>>56699722

I prefer calling it GNU/Linux. The goal is that people get curious what GNU means, look it up and learn more about free software.

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>>56699060
>mostly POSIX-compliant

Thats why I chose a real UNIX over that hacked together shit.

>>56699858
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspur_K-UX

GNU is the only thing that makes Linux a little less shit

>>56699858
pls kys fgt

>>56699060
i really wish there was a distribution with the linux kernel and the freebsd userland

>>56699917
>china
Stopped reading. Until they get the Linux Standard Base certified it's shit.

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Proponents of putting GNU in thename
do you actually think that it will become widespread or something?

Or are you waiting for hurd?
Do you actually hate linux and wish it never came to be?

>>56699973
>Until they get the Linux Standard Base certified it's shit.
Literally the first line of the overview.

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>>56700016
better with 10 years

>>56700020
he stopped reading

>>56700016
>do you actually think that it will become widespread or something?
I don't really care who else uses it. I call it GNU+Linux because Stallman is right when he says that the two together fit the POSIX definition of an operating system.

>Do you actually hate linux and wish it never came to be?
Linux is great. It's why it's GNU+Linux and not just GNU OS.

>>56700020
So is the Linux Standard Base certified POSIX by inference?

yeah, didnt think so.

>>56700073
but you do realize that the name is bit retarded with gnu in there, right?
well less clean, worse in some aspects

>>56700107
Not him, but how about LiGNUx with a silent g?

>>56699668
What? You don't use glibc in Busybox.

>>56699060
The meme has ended, Linus told rms to fuck off. You're only bringing more attention to it for the newfags to force it.

tl;dr, OP is a fag.

>>56699973
https://www.huawei.com/pl-PL/news/2016/9/huawei-kunlun-euleros-unix-certification
This one has both.

>>56700076
No. ISO/IEC TR 24715:2006 exists solely to detail the conflicts between LSB and POSIX. Those conflicts are handled through compatibility flags and configuration.

I'm not even sure what your complaint here is. It's a Linux distribution that follows LSB requirements and is also certified UNIX 03. This isn't anything special. The most contentious parts of POSIX and UNIX are the optional additions that not even OSX follows.

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>>56699060
>Gnome 3
>SystemD
>Wayland
>Selinux

>UNIX-like

>>56699628
>dmitry
Are you that guy who did the linux on 8-bit micro crap?

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>>56699060
NIce thread OP.
Truly forces you to suppose.

>>56700218
no, he is an attentionwhore from russian 2ch

>>56699060
Linux is just a kernel

Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Arch, etc are OS

Because Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Arch, etc are mostly compatible since they use the same kernel, basic utilities, compiler, libc, etc they are grouped under the GNU/Linux OS family

This is the only correct answer

>>56700188
>I'm not even sure what your complaint here is.
you must be new here. this is a board dedicated to technology related shitposting and gaming.

>>56700330
go read what the definition of an OS is and then compare it to what Linux provides.
and then kill yourself.

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>>56700227
Really makes you think

>>56700362
Wikipedia has UI included.

I call a system with Linux and GNU GNU/Linux mainly for historical reasons.

>>56700408
page 1 of tannenbaums modern operating systems (which is _the_ book about operating systems) states that the shell isn't part of an operating system.

>>56700374

NAME
       uname - print system information

SYNOPSIS
       uname [OPTION]...

DESCRIPTION
       Print certain system information.  With no OPTION, same as -s.


       -s, --kernel-name
              print the kernel name

really makes you think...

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>>56701179
Really makes me hmm

>>56700374
>>56701179
>uname --operating-system
>prints GNU/Linux
Does that stop you from thinking?

>>56699060
yeah, lets drop Linux, a kernel has no place being in the actual OS's name, let's all call it GNU

>>56700374
Android is the OS, not Linux, it uses Linux but isn't Linux as a whole, we should all call it GNU and Android and just abandon the "Linux" meme

>>56699545
>if by the time Linux was out They really had everything but the kernel

But that's what happened. At least in that time, the GNU utils with the Linux kernel formed a entire OS. Now OSes are more complex, in which the discussion is more valid. But in the early days, Linux was really GNU/Linux.

>>56700192
Wayland is more UNIX-like than X. X is a fucking monster, while Wayland is a way more simple protocol.

>>56699668
>glibc,
can be replaced by musl
>gcc
clang
>coreutils
busybox
>binutils
just a collection of utilities that are replacable
>make
good ol plan9 mk
>emacs
vim, acme
>nano
vim
>grep
contained in busybox
>find
contained in busybox

Actually, as some other people mentioned, one does not call an operating system by the name of its kernel. Therefore i propose that we drop the "linux meme" altogether and simply call it GNU.

>>56701739
but linux is an OS

>>56701224
>Unknown option h
Literally laughing out loud right now

>>56699060
You can't escape GNU. In fact GNU project is the reason why Linux is still being used in public.


I am using a Linux version of GNU

No one (except for Stallman) said Linux isn't an OS by itself. It's a POSIX-compliant OS. But you're running Linux with GNU coreutils, which are probably the biggest and most complex part of your system.
Tl;dr: Linux is an OS, but your OS isn't just Linux. It's GNU/Linux

>>56699060
But then i can't laugh about the newfags falling for this meme.

>>56699858
Ok explain why that is better than Linux.

>>56701224
$ uname -h
uname: invalid option -- 'h'
Try 'uname --help' for more information.

>>56699060
Can't put forward slashes in filenames on a gnu/linux server.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU+Linux

>>56704312
Well we had to have ONE excluded character from the filename for path delimiter. Can you put \ on a Windows filename?

>>56704215
Na, You just keep playing with your toy OS and not care about POSIX. I mean, you don't have to have a POSIX compliant machine to watch anime on riced out mpv, right? Meanwhile I'll keep using OS X and writing portable UNIX software.

>>56699917
>K-UX
Can't make this shit up

>>56704365
So it's way better, but you can't explain why?

>>56704343
Thanks for the (You)

>>56704442
>i troll u xD

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

alpine linux

>>56701450
guess we should call it systemd/linux these days

>>56701586
>implying one should ditch emacs

>>56704568
It would be better if you did you Unix Hating LISP scum!

>>56704489


I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as GNU/Linux,
is in fact, Freedesktop OS, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Systemd plus Linux.
GNU is not an operating system unto itself, but rather a shitty and dated
UNIX compatibility layer made up of system utilities and optional
system components comprising a roughly POSIX compatible userland.

Many computer users run a modified version of the freedesktop system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of freedesktop
which is widely used today is often called "GNU/Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically linux with systemd, developed by the national security agency.

There really is a GNU, and these people are using it, but it is just an accessory to the system they use. GNU is the UNIX shell: the program in the system
that frustrates the user with an archaic method of running programs
The UNIX shell is considered an essential part of an operating system by some, but useless in the end;
an OS can only function in the context of a complete system daemon, message bus, XML configuration registry, and compositor protocol. GNU is
normally used in combination with the freedesktop operating system: the whole system
is basically freedesktop with GNU added, or Redhat Enterprise Linux. All the so-called "GNU"
distributions are really distributions of freedesktop OS.

I use GNU emacs for near on everything and shit tonnes of GNU utilities. My system truly is GNU/Linux; with respect to the culture it adheres to and endorses, and the significance of the GNU software's contribution to my OS's function.

[math]This_Thread = Cancer[/math]

It's GNU/+Linux because GNU is the set of programs designed to operate with Linux in order to actually make it a full operating system. Linux can't work on its own, neither can GNU, but they work when combined together. The correct, technical naming is GNU/+Linux, but there's nothing wrong with saying just Linux either.

This guy with a really cool hat would always say GNU+Linux so I've taken to calling it GNU+Linux as well.

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>tfw comfy freebsd desktop with beautiful gnome 3.

Honestly Linux and their "distributions" are a total meme. Get the whole package and enjoy an actual operating system.

It's not that weird, your home folder is just /usr/home instead of /home.

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America is diseased - rotten to the core. There's no saving it. We need to pull it out by the roots; wipe the slate clean; BURN IT DOWN.

>>56705913
i posted this in the wrong thread but it's still kind of fitting

>>56704167
Linux by itself isn't POSIX-compliant. POSIX requires a shell and certain utilities, which Linux by itself doesn't provide.

>>56704365
An OS can be POSIX compliant without being "real UN*X".

>>56706440
>An OS can be POSIX compliant without being "real UN*X".

By definition a fully POSIX certified OS becomes UNIX.

I've recently taken to calling my installation Debian/KDE. Sure I have a Linux kernel installed, but I hardly use it. I tend to mostly just run GNU/Debian and my desktop environment.

>>56699858
>real unix
>implying being a POSIX-Compliant Unix-like makes it unix

unix compatibility != unix. The fucking kernel is XNU... which stands for XNU is NOT Unix

>>56704242
Well, GNU uname and Android uname are different. The Android one probably includes all the options required by POSIX.

>>56707553
Actually it stands for X is Not Unix, but whatever.

>>56699169
If you stop using GNU tools, you may as well move to BSD.

As a poster above stated, GNU software is generally LISP/MIT in culture, GNU software is against Unix. Long options, extreme verbosity required in input, and more.

>>56707613
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/uname.html
This is posix. Can you spot the -h? No? Neither can I.

Why is everyone talking about me putting -h instead of --help?

>>56708106

$ uname --help
uname: unknown option -- -
usage: uname [-amnprsv]