When will web design depart from the notion that a page needs

>>56661898
>Is this the equivalent of the 90s fad of "let's put midi background music and a shitload of moving GIFs and make the page barely accessible" ?
really makes you think

it's called RESTful design and it's been around since before the internet

>>56661898
When I design websites, unless the content is specifically JS shit - like a game or something, I do everything with HTML/CSS. Because fuck modern websites.

>>56662305
You sound like a big guy

>>56661898
If it makes you feel better, flash is going to die sometime in 2017 and if not, 2018. So you'll get 45mb of scripts and no flash, java, or silverlight, just HTML5. One little step at a time till this era of bloating sites with scripts is gone.

not baiting or anything but what are good examples of sites that are really small data wise but really good/nice sites

>>56662949
Too bad html5 video players are about a billion times worse than even the most cancerous flash player.

>>56662916
For you.

just use umatrix faggot

>>56663086
http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/

>>56663153
Too complicated to use.

>>56662305
Same. My own (commercial) website can be used without Javascript.
Even the ads are static images (because I dont want adsense).

>>56663627
I do use Javascript but there is always a css fallback.

>>56663119
They'll improve over time as HTML5 gets used. The early flash players were pretty shit also.

>>56663200
Fucking kek m8

>>56661898
Retarded obsolete websites aside, your only valid criticism are all the retarded tracking scripts that exists because muh metrics

>>56663753
>45mb of react bullshit
>not a valid criticism

>>56663086
Drudge Report?

Webdevs are usually morons without CS degrees

https://varvy.com/pagespeed/wicked-fast.html

>>56663200
http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/

>>56661898
Please tell me how you would design a site like 4chan without javascript. Are you saying we should go back to the old days where we had to manually press F5 every time we wanted to see if there were new posts in a thread?

Websites are more like webapps these days. Fagbook, jewtube, twatter, jewmail and so on rely on that retarded dynamic shit.

I personally hate infinite scroll, scrolling menus, also shit like disqus or facebook whatever social networking shit comments integration. Mostly because they're buggy as fuck.

Fucking google and facebook are practically eating up the web.

Thank god wikis are still a thing.

>>56664726

You can browse 4chins without javascript nigger

>>56664726
There's no need to take extremes. 4chan has a very reasonable, perhaps even minimal amount of js; more sites should follow its example.

>>56664726
Futaba Channel just werks, 2ch just werks, 4-ch just werks and 4chan just werks without enabling javascript.

Javascript is utterly unneeded for the *chan experience

>>56664726
I don't think chans where meant to be this fast of discussion. I would think it's faster than irc, kind of like forum posting speed.
F5 is perfectly ok.

>>56664864
Infiniscroll is way better than pagination you cuck.

>>56661898
Not a big fan of html 5 or flash. So many websites pause while loading shit I don't want to look at or watch a video. Adblock helps for the most part. Other addons can be a real hassle, like noscript, flashblock, etc.

>>56661898
When CEOs stop being so impressed with pretty colors and shinies and web developers stop trying to be special snowflakes.

>>56665129
Until you infinicuck so many pages your browser starts consuming 90 gigabytes of memory because old image thumbnails that are 90 nautical miles above your current position on the page are still kept in memory

pagination > infinite scrolling, give the user an option to at least choose between the two and let him pick the number of elements per page

>>56664701
https://bestmotherfucking.website/

>>56664593
I agree with "usually" but I have done websites for business owners. That's usually the problem. Some fucker wants it a certain way and since they're paying, it pisses me off to have to do shitty things I wouldn't do. Mostly related to media.

>>56661928
Oh man, those were the times!

>>56661898
"""material design""" on websites

>>56664882
You need javascript enabled for captcha. No, I'm not buying a good goy pass.

>>56664701
Fuck off with that meme. It was made by someone who has no idea how to use CSS and did not get the message the initial website was making.

>>56662267
REST has nothing to do with visual design.

>>56661898
Personally I love the sites with minimum modern features, I mean, I love sites with plain text... for example... Fourmilab or Bjarne Stroustrup's site...

>>56666071
What can you do on any of those sites other than view static content?

>>56665307
>>56665245

>When CEOs stop being so impressed with pretty colors and shinies

So much this.

And fucking wordpress rats are right on the spot to enable them.

>>56666035

>doesn't know how to use CSS

Clearly he does, as opposed to the creator of the original website.

>did not get the message

- Shit's lightweight and loads fast
- Fits on all your shitty screens
- Looks the same in all your shitty browsers
- The motherfucker's accessible to every asshole that visits your site
- Shit's legible and gets your fucking point across

Actually the 2nd website matches all of these criteria. Ironically the original website doesn't.

>>56666071
just checked out both of these sites and loved them. they load instantly and have an actual clean rather than superficially clean feel.

>>56666291
>Clearly he does
Really?

<style type="text/css">body{margin:40px
auto;max-width:650px;line-height:1.6;font-size:18px;color:#444;padding:0
10px}h1,h2,h3{line-height:1.2}</style>

He's using pixel as size measurement.
Imagine reading a text with a font-size of 18 px on a 4k phone screen. It'll be fucking tiny.
Of course, because browser makers know how retarded web designers are, they will scale it, but it is still fundamentally flawed.

Also, why limit yourself to a set amount of declarations and tell what else you would have done? Either do it completely, or don't.

>>56667121
I guess I could have added, use relative size measurements if possible, not absolute.
Text-size is usually given in pt (points) and em. And since there is no reason to make the width absolute (unlike some image-based designs as was usual 10 years ago), make it relative, too.

>>56667230
You realize that px is relative size too?

>>56667284
>Pixel
>Relative
As I said, because it was clear that web devs are retarded, it is relative now.