>4K Fucking how? Did they slap in a 1080 or what? Sounds

>japanese """""""currency""""""""

>>56478977
>not believing in the power of AMD

>>56478977
4K playback not gameplay.

>>56478977
well it isnt really 4k. it draws half 4k each frame in a checkerboard then does a type of interlacing with temporal aa.

>>56478987
>$259000 in my country

lel

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>Top end PC costing over $2000 dollars can barely handle 4K at playable framerates
>Sony somehow promises a 4K capable machine for $400

Cinematic 24FPS confirmed.

>>56478977
A M D
M
D

It's just an RX 480 HOUSEFIRES in the PS4 Pro SoC

It certainly can't handle 4K

Did you SEE the footage they used? Not a chance. Thing will at least run 1080 well.

Desktopcucks on suicide watch.

>>56479061
>he fell for the high framerate meme
I bet you bought a 3D TV.

It will be 4K just like the PS3 was 1080p (it wasn't)

>>56478977
Not native support, upscaled.
P4Pro probably gonna play games at some weird-ass resolution, like 3200x1800 and then upscale the image to 4k

>>56478977
It's only really capable of playing 4K movies, not video games.

Much like the PS3, the PS4 is only good for playing movies - not games.

The demos shown looked like they were dropping frames a lot I doubt it's truuuuuuuu 4k

If that Pro Ps4 can do 1440p then its good enough

>>56479135
What truly 1080p games did the PS3 have? GT6 is the only one that comes to my mind but damn thing looked like a PS2 game with sightly better textures

>>56478977
PS4s are $350.
This will be $450.

I would buy this if I had the choice to forgo meme resolutions and play Sony Exclusives at 1080l/60. Could this even do that though?

>>56478977
>PS4 Pro
>Xbox One S

When can we get rid of Apple?

>>56479034
Why cant pc's do this?

Why wouldnt this be a good thing for percepted performance?

But what does it matter if there are no games?

>>56479681
This. Just buy a Vita, piracy soon.

>>56479214
incorrect
>>56479020
incorrect
>>56479446
op's image is official, retard
>>56479034
provide a source, my familia

>>56478977
it can render games at 4K no doubt about that.

that doesn't mean they'll look any good. I mean a R9 290 can pull 60+ FPS at 4K if you're playing CS:GO

>>56478977
>sounds like a huge scam
well, we are talking about consoles here

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>The PS4 Pro will not, however, play 4K Blu-rays, Sony said.

FOR
WHAT
[DESIGNATED]
PURPOSE?

>>56480071
This guy is memeing, right?

Surely Sony can't be this stupid.

>>56480135
https://twitter.com/StuffTV/status/773609999381790720

oh shit I'm sorry

>>56480135
http://kotaku.com/playstation-4-pro-announced-1786337093?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow

Nope.

>>56479710
I love my vita but I get super salted and butt blasted when I think about releases like I am setsuna not getting NA releases for the vita.

>>56480204
Vita is region free, though.

They obviously added another layer of Playstation.

>>56480241
Yeah but that doesn't mean I can read moon runes.

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>>56480326
>まだ日本語をべんきょうしていない

It just outputs upscaled 900p to 4K.

>>56480411
>smug3dgirl.gif

>>56478977
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>/v/

>>56478977
AMD bringing back the times when consoles were pegging pccucks.

>>56480411
why bother when i can just right click/translate shit

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これはいいですか。

>>56480485
There won't be any good nippongo translators until AI becomes a thing.

>>56478977
>Pro gaming console
Well, alright. Any word on the internals? Couldn't give a shit about the games it does or does not play, the hardware is the interesting bit.

So glad my PS4 is already obsolete! Time to add Sony to the list of brands to never buy from again.

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LOL

>>56480595
In other words: PS4 pro can't into 4k at all.

>>56480471
AMD is literally taking its PC tech, making custom SoCs from it and sticking them in consoles

you're getting low end PC hardware buddy

>>56479710
>soon
Anon, I already have a bunch of pirated shit on mine. It was gathering dust for 2 years but now I have a reason to use it again.

VRfags better hope that PS VR is a home run because it's the last hope for that fad.

What's the specifications on the GPU?

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>video game console
>"""Pro"""

>>56479262
A lot of download-only games were a full 1080, but that's about it.

>all it does it upscale
>meanwhile my SONY BRANDED 4K TV already does it

There is no reason for this console.

>>56480610
If anything 4k movie playback would be easier than games.
I don't know why it would be confirmation to you that it can't "into 4k at all".

Just grabbed the video using youtube-dl to get the 4K footage. It's 29.970fps. Muahahaha! It's not gonna be 60fps no how no way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heZt-0_-mk8

>>56479077
>SoC
It is not an SoC, stop using this phrase.

>>56481036
>Just grabbed the video using youtube-dl to get the 4K footage. It's 29.970fps. Muahahaha! It's not gonna be 60fps no how no way.
Are you serious right now?

>>56481035
That's the thing, if it can't even support 4k video playback it won't support true 4k games, it's a scam.

>>56481055
Yes. It will be 4K @ 30 fps. Not 60.

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>>56480135
>PS4 Pro won't be able to play 4k blu rays.

4k Gamecube coming through.

>>56480610
Maybe the reader is so slow it can't read 4k Blu rays. Download only probably.

>>56481082
Tell me why you think that's something you can figure from a YouTube video?

>>56481115
>sonyggers damage control

>>56480962
rumor has 36 CU @ 900 mhz

So worse than an R9 290.

Xbone-fag here. I never owned a PS4, but I've always entertained the idea.

I thought the PS4 was 4K from the start? What the fuck is going on with your guys PS4s?

>>56481155
XD

the fact that Sony's been so coy about what exactly the PS4 Pro will do in 4K is concerning. I doubt that even 10% of the content will be actual 4K

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>>56480962
Even the flop count is a dank meme...

Can I run GNU/Linux on it?

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>>56480512
my Surface© Pro 4 with Windows© 10 Pro with Microsoft© Edge© with Translator For Microsoft Edge© extension doesn't have this problem

>>56481233
is that mactype?

>>56479126
Hahaha what a fool right!!? I love 24fps it really makes me feel like I'm playing a movie! who cares consoles can't do 60fps

>>56480595
>the focus is on games
>big reveal talked about netflix and movies more than games
O-okay...

4k is a meme

just stop

>>56481177
kek

So is this basically a competitor to the Xbox One S ? If so then they better get working on something to compete with Scorpio...

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>>56481262
no its a screenshot from a glorious 267 ppi display downscaled to 96 ppi for bandwidth allocation purposes

>>56481039
Why don't you STFU you fucking clueless cunt that don't know shit

It's a SoC, CPU, GPU and chipset is all integrated into a single SoC

>>56480962
An underclocked and bandwidth-starved RX 480, basically. Same amount of CUs.

>>56481302
No, it's much more powerful than the Xbone S, but will be less powerful than the Scorpio. But it's also coming out a year before the Scorpio. They literally couldn't match specs with it and release this year, because AMD don't have a bigger GPU ready yet (Scorpio will be based on Vega, not Polaris).

The PS4 Slim is the Xbone S competitor, and is still more powerful than it (but no 4K Blu-ray playback).

Looks like a nice machine to run all titles at 1080p60 with some nice AA settings, and the value (for the hardware, at least) is good. They must be making a serious loss on it.

Might be able to manage a shaky 2160p30 on _some_ games, with some careful choices of graphical options, but honestly I think the developer adoption rate for 4K is going to be lackluster at best.

I personally couldn't give a shit. I already own a gaming PC and Bloodborne is the only PS4 exclusive I care about.

>>56478977
It's most likely 1080p or 1440p that is scaled up together with a small touch of AA.

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>Buying a rehashed console mid console cycle.

It amazes me how much money people throw away.

>>56481115
Because why upload it at less than 30 fps when Youtube supports 4K 60 fps that's why. They don't have any reason not to.

>>56479262
Wipeout HD was probably the only game that ran at 1080p with acceptable framerate.

>it's a /g/ screams at eachother over minor spec differences in their preferred goycenters

>>56481391
That's a lot of faith you have in something no one knows anything about.

>>56479214
Funny thing is I really never used my PS3 for anything but watch movies, but I needed to jailbreak it because otherwise I would have needed to upgrade its firmware to get the new bluray cuck codes and therefore lost the potential to install linux or play any downloaded games. I never installed linux or play any downloaded games at all, because there aren't any good ones.

>>56481329
My fucking eyes.

>>56481215
yes, if you can bypass the trusted computing bullshit.

modern day consoles are just crippled PCs anyway.

>>56481444
There were others. Virtua Tennis 3 was 1080p/60fps even.

>>56481465
We know enough about it.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-xbox-one-project-scorpio-spec-analysis

And I don't have "faith" in anything. I don't own and won't own either console, nor their new versions. My PC is already more powerful than either.

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>>56481338

The definition of SoC is pretty lax, but there's discrete chips on the board for RAM, network processor, USB controller, ethernet controller... I'd argue there's too much stuff off-chip to properly call it an SoC. Hardly a system on a chip when the system consists of lots of chips.

literally what ps4 should have been

>>56481594
and phones have separate RAM, touch controller, modem, wifi controller, audio controller
and yet the A9 is still called a SoC

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It doesn't even do 4K Blu Ray.

https://twitter.com/StuffTV/status/773609999381790720

>>56481698
I didn't know Corsair released a new case

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mfw well get FreeSync TVs soon just for this

>>56481736
console games are locked at 30fps so there's no need for adaptive sync.

>>56481763
Were already getting FreeSync tvs though
why else would they make them? You think anyone gives a shit about PC gaming on AMD hardware?

>>56481698
>>56481726
>it's BIGGER than the ps2
>has LESS FEATURES THAN A PS1

>>56478977

The consoles are getting closer to a shittier version of PC everyday

They've now stopped the 7 year cycle which was apparently a major selling point

>>56481594
>The definition of SoC is pretty lax
Not really. It's a full computer system on a chip.
>>56481663
The A9 has onboard RAM, CPU, GPU, storage controller, and some other coprocessing. A combined die CPU and GPU does not an SoC make.

>>56481809
>7 year cycle
Everything nowadays is a yearly upgrade cycle, you can thank Applel for that

>>56481287
But quad 1080p monitors is cool

>>56481815
>The A9 has onboard RAM
No it doesn't. The only "RAM" on that die is the SRAM cache that every CPU has.


>A combined die CPU and GPU does not an SoC make.
Yes. It does.

>>56481876

The consoles didn't used to be, people kept the same one until the next one was released or it broke (or at least that's what I think they did, I used to)

>>56479675
Because realistically it splits the perceived frame rate in half

>>56481924
>>A combined die CPU and GPU does not an SoC make.
>Yes. It does.
So all desktop processors are SoCs?

>>56481929
>The consoles didn't used to be

Which is why they were left in the dust last gen by PC. They don't want that to happen again, so these faster releases will become the norm.

>>56481929
Apple taught the world you can make planned obsolesence a feature people look forward to, console makers are finally catching on

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>>56481924
>No it doesn't.
Please point to the DRAM chips.
>Yes. It does.
No, it doesn't.

>>56478977
It's not rendering the content at 4k, just up-scaling it.

>>56481961

I've had a gaming PC for at least 5 years now and I know what you mean about them being left in the dust

What I meant is is that the gen thing was one of the differnces between PC and console, a bit like never having to install games to your HDD used to be

Now they are looking more and more like a PC with a shitty OS that jews you for everything

>>56481978
>Apple taught the world you can make planned obsolesence a feature people look forward to

Well that's certainly true, people do't keep their tech for as long nowadays

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>>56481957
Intel's mainstream chips are SoCs.
AMD's APUs are SoCs.

>>56481983
Holy shit you really are a tech illiterate retard.
The A9 die does not have DRAM on it. The package does.

>inb4 it still counts, system on a shared substrate!

>>56478977
I doubt it will 60FPS. There will be a corner cut somewhere.

>>56482158
>Intel's mainstream chips are SoCs.
>AMD's APUs are SoCs.
You're literally retarded

>>56481983
the RAM is on package but not in the A9 chip
the Micron D9SND is a separate chip from the A9 SoC

>>56482158
>system on a shared substrate!
>using the same chip means it's not a system on a chip
huh?

>>56478977
It plays at 1080p and scales up. It's what they used to do with older systems. i.e. rendering at 320x240 and scaling to 640x480 via ASIC.

>>56482337
>It plays at 1080p and scales up.
No. It's going to play at 3200x1800 or something and upscale.

So if we're all certain this can't do 4k at 60, will it be able to do 1080 at 60 at the least?

>>56482380
it should be able to play previously 30Hz games at 60Hz
they doubled the CU and increased the clock speed a bit

ITT: People think displaying at 4K and rendering at 4K is the same thing.

News flash you fucksticks, the PS4 Pro can't play games at 4K but it can certainly do a quick and easy upscale. A few lines of code and an updated HDMI port is what you pay the extra 100$ for.

>>56481036

dickhead

>>56482333
Protip: The chip part of a microchip is not the package substrate

>>56482512
>The chip part of a microchip is not the package substrate
the package isn't a substrate...maybe you mean interposer?

>>56482362
"Sony is advocating a number of conventional upscaling resolution targets and 3200x1800 is the lowest it recommends."

They're recommending they scale it to that, that isn't what it will run natively.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-we-built-a-pc-with-playstation-neo-gpu-tech

>>56482436
Literally nobody ITT thinks that, fuckstick.

>>56482402
I'm going to guess that (indie) games will run at 4k60

>>56481433
A lot of YouTubers upload 30fps videos of 60fps games, depends on the capture card. But I doubt 4k60 will run easily on the Pro.

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>>56482529
>the package isn't a substrate.
LOL
Yes it is, tech illiterate retard.

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>>56481698
When the Xbox One S can do 4K Blu-Ray and the PS4 Pro can't

LMFAO

J U S T
U
S
T

>>56481423
We're already in an age where people will throw out their year-old phones for a new model with no headphone jack.

>>56482849
>Blu-Ray
Why are consoles trying to become multimedia boxes now

What happened to the focus on games?

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>this thread

>>56478977

its only for streaming...ONLINE streaming

not native

my fucking intergrated i3-4170 intel graphics can pretty much play youtube 4K video with just a bit of hitching and its just the HD 4400 graphic chipset not even the new Iris ones

im sure a fucking GPU from the last 2 years can play youtube video

which is different form computing live native 4K rendering

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I don't have a PS4 yet, so I'm probably going to get the PS4 Pro just for Hatsune Miku PJ Diva X, PJ Diva Future Tone, and Tekken 7 since the netplay community will be sparse on Steam.

>>56478977
4k video, unlikely were seeing a 900p 60 fps to 4k.

>>56483029
whats going on here?

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>>56478977

how are they doing it /g/ ?

The PS4 pro is actually fucking powerful. 4.2TFlops, Jesus Christ. PCs are getting destroyed by it considering that the 1070, which in itself costs more than the entire console, only has 6.5 itself.

>>56483216
Do you also compare amd and intel cpus by comparigin their GIGAHURTZ, idiot?

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>>56483216
An r9 290 is 5.6 Tflops kek

>>56478977
Silky smooth 4 fps.

>>56478977
Didn't you read the specs? Xbox Two and PS4.5 have like 5 TFLOPS of GPU power

>>56479135
>>56479262
>>56480982
>>56481444
>>56481546
Okami HD was rendered in 4K and down sampled to 1080p on the PS3.

>>56480071

Probably to sell their own 4K bluray players. They did this with MKV incompatibility on the PS3.

>>56478977
*upscale

>>56481177
>4.20 TFLOPS
>Based Graphics Engine

meme machine

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>>56483552
>http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/138714-sony-s-first-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-player-not-likely-to-appear-until-2017

Pic sort of related, it's one of their 4k streaming boxes.

>>56481177
>original PS4 1.8 tflops
>PS4 pro 4.2 tflops

What, exactly does this mean?
(/g/ newfag, here, sorry)

>>56478977
Cheap parts, cheaper than the chinkshit you buy off newegg for 70% off.

PS4 controllers were flimsy af, so were the consoles. I've burned through 3 PS4 originals because I always took it to my friends house to play fightan. Eventually the HDMI port got sick of constantly being plugged in and unplugged it gave out and I've returned it for warranty service 3 times.

Now it's just a paperweight. Fuck sony in general.

>>56481983
>>56482288
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package_on_package

>>56483964
>whine when sony use solid inhouse proprietary connectors
>whine some more when sony follows retarded american standards like micro-USB and HDMI

kys whiners YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED

>>56483802
>my new 1070 is 6.5 TFLOPS
>all those multi plats for PS4

why should I buy a PS4 Pro?

>>56483359
PS4 uses APUs right?
mite be cool to see one with performance better than a 290

>>56483802
4k is 4 times the resolution
ps4 pro needs 4 times the power to run it :^)

>>56478977
3.5k

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>>56484224
What the fuck

I'm not a sony fantard at all, I bought it because I had some extra money and my friends were all playing Destiny at the time. All the fighting games sort of just came after. GG Xrd looks beautiful, unfortunately for Sony it's on PC now.

I literally don't have a valid reason to buy a PS4 replacement, let alone a "pro" PS4.

>>56479061
You can play any game at 4k if you turn down the graphics options.

>>56483029
>>56483135
I too wonder, this webm is more interesting than any part of this thread

>>56483428
Its 4.2 you fucking retard. That not 'like 5'. They also use AMD GPUs, which means that the Flops are borderline irrelevant, see >>56483359

A 290 almost has the same amount of TFlops as a 1070 (5.6 to 6.5) yet provides like half the performance of one.

>>56479750
>Being this butthurt

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>>56481139
>owns an R9 290
still worth I guess

>>56484764
>Flops are borderline irrelevant

>>56478977
>No 4K Bluray player on either model when Xbone does it for less cost
Sony fucked it up real bad this time, especially when the 4K blurays that are out right now are pretty much all from Sony Pictures.

20-30 FPS on low/medium settings.
You know, how every modern console has run.

>>56484838
problem is microsofts scaling engine is trash compared to sony so it still makes sense to buy a separate player if you watch a mix of 4k and non-4k media

>>56481177
>up to 310w
Pfffft

>rendering at 4K with a 4.2 TFLOPS GPU
That's slower than a 290X, it surely has architectural improvements, but it's just too slow to get quality 4K rendering, expect it to look and run like shit if they're actually going for native 4K. There's no way they aren't giving up on a lot of stuff just to render at that resolution, frame rate is surely the first on the chopping block, expect the regular console shit, but at higher res.

>>56485162
power of the cell will make this console do 4k and have backwards compatibility with all playstation games ever made.

>>56480617
>low end
>gaming
>smooth 4k

>>56478977
I'm certain an RX 480 could handle 4k at medium settings and 30 fps.

my $200 rx 470 is better than this $400 "new" technology.

lel pcucks win again!

>>56480071
4k blu ray requires a capable blu ray drive.

>>56478977
at 30 fps with motion blur out the ass

>>56485256
>medium to low settings
>30 fps

>>56485424
>falling for the gpu meme
excuse me while i enjoy my integrated graphics and can still play games at 60 fps

>trying to get back into vidya after years
>Buy PS4 6 months ago
>Wave of new consoles come out

I honestly don't think I give a shit enough to upgrade my PC or buy a new TV and console. Who quitting games or getting comfy with 1080p forever here?

>>56485032
>scaling engine
you mean upscaling? no need to upscale if you can play 4K blurays. 4K upscaling for games is mostly pointless. I mean if you have a 4K TV then it already has an amazing upscaler.

>>56485701
Technically speaking I quit games years ago because the industry is so fucking shit that I cant really motivate myself to play any. Still have a powerful rig just in case a non shit title ends up being released but I'll also chill at 1080p for a while longer because I cant be bothered to replace my 120Hz VA panel with some shitty 4K IPS and have 800:1 contrast ratios and shit blacks.

ITT: People not understanding that playing games at 4k does ≠ 4k max settings

>>56481933
The human eye can only see 3.5 fps so framerate doesn't really matter

>>56483029
That precision is actually kind of amazing. Wonder when we'll have insect sized drones that skilled.

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I was really excited for this, being an avid Sony fan, but the lack of UHD-BD led me to cancel my pre-order. Nope. Try again.

>>56486019

>The human eye can only see 3.5 fps so framerate doesn't really matter

That must be why Air Force pilots were able to recognize the model of a plane that was only shown for one frame in a 200 frames 1 second long video right? Just because you're extremely defective it doesn't mean that the average person can't see at least 30ish frames per second retard.

>>56486346
It's just a meme bro

>>56478987
It's 12000 in my country.

Though I know we'll NEVER get it at that price, minimum 20000

>>56481079
Since when is bluray the only way to watch multimedia on your PS4?

Youtube and Netflix are 4K on the Pro.

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>>56481396

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>>56481177
I don't even know what card is that supposed to be, I thought it was a modified 470 but it makes no sense downgrading it like that, and there's no way it's a 460

>>56486346
You're getting heavily rused.

>>56486481

Sorry, I don't watch movies with visible compression artifacts. UHD-BD or bust.

>>56480071

>sony makes massive bank on the PS3 because it's cheaper than normal blu ray players

>now they're trying to make the PS4 not play 4k movies to sell expensive as fuck players

Sony is like Ash Ketchum. Fucking forgets everything he's learned every 2 years.

>>56484324
4K for 16:9 is 2160p, that would be two times 1080p. 1920*2/1080*2 = 3840x2160

>>56479053
BR monke?

when did 4k matter? i play my games at full hd default settings 60fps. 20/20 vision is 4k for me.

>>56478977
>Sounds like a huge scam to me.
it is

>>56485256
>console
>smooth

>>56486841
>how do rectangles work?: the post

What the fuck is the point if they arent supporting UHD Blurays even MS is supporting them for the same/less price.

This would be the only reason for me to look at it. I dont use my machine enough otherwise to warrant getting a new one.

>>56484470

you're still drawing four times the amount of space on screen. Lower graphics or not it's still going to impact.

>>56486841
go back to school tyrone

>>56478977
It just upscales 1080p gameplay to look like 4k

Or it'll be super low settings 4k

it's basically an RX 465, just under a 470, which can do 4k in a few games anyways

This won't render games at 4k, how retarded can you be?
It'll problably do 4k video only, or upscale games at best.

By using their super advance upscaling algorithm

>>56478987
At least it's not 6 million of funny monies.

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So, what's the deal? New games use the new chip, must also be compatible with the old system?
>>56481338
You see this shit? Count the components.
There's 70 or so caps and resistors, a crystal, a voltage reg and three other IC's.
You can get these things booting with nothing but a crystal and a power cable.
The entirety of the system is on the chip.
What you're thinking of is an APU, look at >>56481594, look at how much shit's needed to support the device. Just trace the video feed, see what it goes to from the HDMI port to the GPU.

>>56482252
Not that guy but yes, AMD and Intel advertise their mainstream chips as SoCs. Is there a problem with that?

>>56480578
>>56480578
>Being mad that technology is advancing

>>56486251
Why did you pre-order in the first place without knowing what you were getting?

>>56479061
Or PC games are just colossally underoptimized because of perpetually shifting targets (software and hardware) and game engine software engineers aren't paid well enough to deal with that shit properly.

Consoles are more limited, but the limits are universal and well-known making them a lot easier to develop a high performance product for. Predictability makes everything easier.

>>56478977
anything can do 4k. but what fps? i'm guessing <= 30.

Does it play ps3 games?

>>56480071
It's not like any of us will actually buy a movie.

>>56488154
But anon, who would buy the 60$ remakes then?

>>56488462
I think you mean $40 remakes.

Regardless of their price, I would still buy them. Emulation is inferior to reworking and optimizing a game for new hardware. In addition to that, you get extra, namely trophy support.

That being said though, the Silent Hill HD Collection was straight up garbage.

>>56486841
> 3840/2160 = 3840x2160

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>>56479126

>>56481809
As a casual gamer that was a major reason to buy a console indeed. Right now it seems it will be preffered to build a desktop though.

>>56486481
>>56481079
>>56481035
>>56480610
it has nothing to do with the power of actually playing 4k video. playing 4k video as in just decoding is fucking cheap and easy. it's the drive and the reading of the disk that adds cost. they did this so they could price this thing so low. not that I think it's a good idea but a more expensive drive could drive up the price considerably, $50 or more. they want people to buy this immediately so they want the price as low as possible. they also know penetration of 4k TVs and the media for them is still very low. people will buy this right now for the better game performance on 1080p or lower TVs. they will probably come out with another skew in not too long that has the bluray player, probably after they try to sell more of their standalone players.

>>56478977
4k, 19-29fps
Consoles guys

>>56479135
I think the 1080p games were mostly the HD remakes
Was MGS2-3 HD 1080p?

Sony what the FUCK are you doing?

How did you go backwards in terms of aesthetics? The PS4 was a nice looking machine but these look like bastardized chink shit variations.

"Yo, let the designer of the Super Slim PS3 get in on the next ones!"

>>56490571
No, MGS HD Collection was 720p. I assume to keep it running at a smooth 60fps

It still looks good on my 65" 4k TV though

The resolution war is a meme 1080p on consoles is all you need really you sit so far back from the tv

>4k games
>wow i can really see that blade of grass in the distance
>shame i'm running at 16fps and the console sounds like a leafblower to try and keep itself cool

>>56490670
I'm kinda surpirsed by that, but not in the bad way.
The MGS HD collection looks good anyway

>>56478977
Saw a 4k ps4 gameplay trailer on youtube (horizon something I think). It dropped to 15fps.

>>56490670
Paying the money for these graphics cards is fucking scary, but some people really fucking care how many frames there money hole can output a second.

>>56485727
> I mean if you have a 4K TV then it already has an amazing upscaler.

...which you'd better hope is fully defeatable if you want anything close to playable input lag.

>>56478977
It's capable of 4K, in games and as a video output format. Just like the non-pro version always was and still is. This doesn't mean that game developers opt to use 4K rendering resolution in their PS4 games as it would be a colossal waste of processing power, requiring to cut back a huge amount of image quality settings to achieve decent frame times.

Fuck the answers in this thread. Holy shit keep it to yourself if you are just going to spout "lol on MEDIUM settings maybe at like uhh 16fps"

>>56479262
GT6 was 1440x1080 but 1920x1080 in menus/garage etc. It scaled down to 1280x720 if you used lower video output setting than 1080p or 1080i or just enabled that mode in the menus. The 1440x1080 mode couldn't keep the 60fps target but the 720p mode mostly did. Both rendering modes used MLAA.

There were some smaller downloadable indie titles, Virtua Tennis something, Wipeout HD and a few others which did render at the full 1920x1080 framebuffer resolution.

I guess this is it.

Instead of buying a new PC, I am gonna get a PS4 Pro.

The game developers optmize the games way better for only 1 system and put much more work into it compared to the PC system.

Make dealings with it.

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>custom 4k

Sony have lied about their hardware

EVERY
SINGLE
GENERATION

>"PS1 gives you workstation level graphics at home for $300! woah look at this dinosaur demoi"
>Reality: Textures and polygons constantly in a state of spasm from low precision matrix transforms and texture mapping

>"PS2 will give you Toy Story quality graphics in real time!"
>Reality: PS2 couldn't even do a full 640x480 resolution most of the time due to insufficient VRAM

>"PS3 has the INFINITE POWER OF THE CELL! EVERYTHING ELSE IS OBSOLETE!"
>Reality: The Xbox 360 was more powerful overall despite being a year older as the memory architecture wasn't gimped to fuck like it was on PS3

>"PS4 is a SUPERCHARGED PC. We have 8 GB OF GDDR5 WHILE PC IS ONLY ON DDR3!!!!! 1080p 60fps CONFIRMED EVERY GAME"
>Reality: 30 FPS, if you're lucky

4k is a fucking meme.

Tell me what would you fags prefer.

Graphics with details like the newest UE 4 demos (or any other current engine).

Or some better AA for 50% less of the performance(thats exatly what 4k is) ?

>render image at any resolution you like
>use one of numerous upscaling algorithms
>output 4k image

it is a huge scam op.

(not really. you're getting a slightly beefier ps4. it will run games a little bit better. what the fuck did you all expect?)

>>56491155
>corporations habitually lie to customers

tell me more.

>>56487606
>6 million of funny monies.
Shekels?
Everything in Israel is 6 million shekels, never forget.

>>56491123
Cerny did mention something about dedicated hardware to convert to 4K, so it is custom upscaling.

will they release a PS4 Ultra in 16 months time with a UHD Blu-Ray player?

I'm betting "yes"

>>56478977
it literally just fucking upscales shit to 4k

>>56491164
Forget 4K, HDR is the newest hot meme.

It was all they could talk about on the stream. They even forgot about VR they were so excited!

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>>56491349

Its checkerboard rendering, aka interpolation with some filters to remove the artifacts that result

Also
>is it native or upscaled
>its custom ;^)

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PC is dead boys. Pack it up.

>>56491123
>Not native 4k
>But also not upscaled
Unless they're actually rendering at 8k and down scaling then it's fancy upscaling.

>>56491436
They're doing this with an ASIC now, apparently on die. Not a third party upscaler. Kind of neat that AMD has the IP for it.
Seems like a nice thing for shitty APUs to improve performance, perceived performance anyway. The use of HDR seems particularly interesting given AMD's prior push for HDR desktop monitors as well.

It's all to sell new 4K TVs.

They must have some patents that companies like Samsung and LG have to pay royalties on because Sony's own TVs are losing market share all the time.

>>56480071
[spoiler]Its because the PS4 Pro doesn't actually play anything in native 4k, it just upscales a lower resolution. [/spoiler]

>>56478977
4k on shitty indie games maybe, but not on any AAA games. i have a gtx 1080 which damn near costs the same as 2 ps4 pros and even that can barely handle 4k.

>>56478977
Games are rendered in 1080p and then another chip upscales the frames to 4K and sends it to your TV. The GPU doesn't render 4K images directly.

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>>56479262
Looks burdy gud to me

>>56491528
Creating new problems is a great way to sell hardware. Market it the right way and everyone involved makes money.

>>56480411
>posting a Korean with his moon runes
Absolutely haram

>>56479262
Fun fact:
Okami HD is rendered at 4K and downscaled to 1080p on PS3

Basically it's 30 fps at 4K. I'd prefer 60 fps at 1080p though.

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>>56486346

>>56487879
dirty console peasant detected

>>56478977
A 470/480 can easily do 4k 30fps at high settings.

>>56491536
>what are graphics settings

>>56491530
> PS4 Pro doesn't actually play anything in native 4k
Well yeah, but it should have that HDMI 2.0 and BD isn't a video game. They're just wasted their "upgraded" console.

>>56481444
Super Stardust HD too.
Ans this kind of game is imho much more entertaining than the usual fpshit

>>56481177
I just dont get why they just chuck a $250 rx480 with 5.5 TFlops and a shit amd cpu sell it for 550?? why the low performance?

>>56491766
Learn how to speak English.

>>56486346
Are you seriously implying that the capabilities of highly trained Air Force pilots is even remotely comparable to those of fat ass gaymers covered in Doritos dust?

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>>56491536
>AAA
I bet you watch "blockbuster" films unironically too.

>>56480411
>べんきょう
>not 勉強
Fuck off N5 scum.

I wonder how many genuine retards are going to pick one of these things up day one. Sony sounds like they are full of absolute shit on this whole thing, and they barely said anything about framer are improvement at all. I feel like the "Pro" is just a meme they designed to purely to make their VR functional since they hyped it up so damn much. Even still I doubt it will give any quality performance to VR. I just can't justify rebuying a machine for full price after the first one never even met the expectations set for it in the first place.

>>56478977
It's not 4k, it's upscaled, still at sub-low settings and at 20 FPS.

>>56492560
Exactly, I don't know what possessed Sony to try and market this thing as a 4k machine, the original can't even handle 1080 at a decent or consistent framerate, but I'm supposed to expect that some half assed new console is supposed to just magically make everything work properly AND in 4k? Bullshit

>4k bluray
Why does /g/ give a shit?

I've never even bought a single bluray, and I'm not about to start just because it's 4k now.

>>56480595
Paraphrasing: the focus is on shekels.

>>56479077
It's not even that. It's the same apu with higher clock rates. The Scorpio is what will be running an rx 480.

>>56491312
Rubles, man, rubles.

>>56491155
So did others.

>>56492318
Hey, you gotta start somewhere.

>>56486903
No, in BR this won't pass 4 figures. Maybe 4.5k wich is already too much.

>>56492729
No, tech illiterate retard, it isn't.
The PS4 Pro has a new semi-custom APU. 36 active CU vs the PS4's 18.

>"""Pro""" gaming console

>>56486903
Obviously zimbabwe