>Company knowingly fucks over their loyal consumers >Gets

[citation needed]

[citation needed]

>>56478187
3.5gb

>>56478187
>>56478223
just in case some other retard wants to show up
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/07/nvidia-offers-30-to-gtx-970-customers-in-class-action-lawsuit-over-ram/

>>56478163
because breaking the law is a viable business tactic and paying settlements is considered a normal cost of doing business

>>56478254
Kek should've known
fucking old news bro do you just like circle jerking that much to make a thread about it

>>56478254

3.5 wasn't/isn't a problem. you will have slow as fuck performance well before you hit the 3.5 barrier with a 970.

>>56478274
>muh lawsuit

that's hardly a slap on the wrist, lul.

>>56478274
>because breaking the law is a viable business tactic
Apple loses 13 billion for dodging taxes how come they didn't pay 13bucks?

>>56478296
>damage control
>apologetics
>voluntary shilling
yep it's a fanboy folks

>>56478296
Nvidia shelling out only 30$ [americans only] for their shit card when they should be shelling out the full price.

>>56478327
>you will have slow as fuck performance well before you hit the 3.5 barrier with a 970.
that's bullshit. you can allocate much more vram than that before framerate dips. try modded skyrim with massive textures.

>that's hardly a slap on the wrist, lul.
given how much the 970 sold, it definitely is.

proper punishment would have been to issue a full refund to all owners, and to present a written apology on their website's front page.

What are you gonna do, buy AMDshit and get something that doesnt worm at all?

>>56478331
>that i was giving a pass to them
you missed the point of my post faggot
>>56478394
>cheats you out of 12.5% of advertised vram
>refunds 12.5% of the launch price

>>56478394
>proper punishment would have been to issue a full refund to all owners, and to present a written apology on their website's front page.
There are people out there that think that idea is lunacy

>>56478394
>that's bullshit. you can allocate much more vram than that before framerate dips. try modded skyrim with massive textures.

never had problems with modded skyrim or any gaymes when i had my cuck card. the only way you would ever hit the 3.5 barrier are in a few games (the newest COD and that mirrors edge denuvo trash) where ultra settings eat tons of vram and perf for no discernible visual gain

>given how much the 970 sold, it definitely is.

you realize that nvidia doesn't get the full MSRP when a card gets sold by a retailer right? $30 per card is probably more than they actually profited for each card.

>proper punishment would have been to issue a full refund to all owners,

the judge that decided the compensation clearly disagrees with you, and any sensible person would as well, since the card is fully functional and the only misadvertised attributes were useless technical details (ROPs and L2 cache size)

>>56478451
>AMD is shit
>Nvidia are Jews
Pick one

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>>56478163
>Company knowingly fucks over their loyal consumers

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>>56478506
>He doesnt know
Ignorance is truly bliss

>>56478485

>ROPS and L2 cache
>useless details

oh hai /v/

> loyal

Well there's your problem.

Oh wait, High end GPU market is dominated by nvidia. What are you going to do? Not buy nvidia GPUs?

They have good pr.

>>56479541

>Not buy nvidia GPUs?


This has never entered /v/'s (sorry, I mean /g/'s) mind because of said loyalty.

>>56478468
>There are people out there that think that idea is lunacy
Pretty much anyone with a brain that is capable of functioning at a maturity level of someone older than 8 years old thinks that is lunacy.

The only thing that would make sense in terms of full refund is if you had to return the card to nvidia for it.

>>56480074
>The only thing that would make sense in terms of full refund is if you had to return the card to nvidia for it.
Or if you didint get what was advertised to you.

>>56479468
No honestly to a fucking consumer it is completely god damn useless. Not every person who bought that card is a fucking autistic computer scientist like you who actually caress about useless fucking information like that. The only thing that 90% of the market care about is overall performance and nothing else.

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>have to login to use Geforce Experience and therefore Shadowplay now

Into the trash it goes. What are some good alternatives to Shadowplay? GFE is shite but Shadowplay was good for saving "spur of the moment" stuff

>>56479927
Or the fact AMD is complete shit so you have no other choice

>>56481078
You do know that you have to send the product back to get your refund in those cases, right? I can tell you've never bought anything in your life nor are you familiar with the return policies of most sellers.

It's very rare that you get to keep the product. And that's also a business model that doesn't work, because you'll just get equipment scammed off of you. My friend got like 3 IPS monitors for the price of 1 by complaining that each one was broken somehow.

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reminder that Nvidia INVENTED the GPU
by not trusting Nvidia youre basically trusting the person who knows whats best for gpus

>>56482058
nvidia is a split of ati engineers lol

>>56478254
I honestly believe the marketing fucked it up.
There is actually 4GB of VRAM in the 970, but its not all accessible by the user.
Also the 970 is one of the most sold cards, because it's good.
And AMD did the same shit with their TDP.
How could they not know about that?

>>56482317
It's all accessible. It's just partitioned into 2 and the partitions cannot be accessed at the same time. It has to access 1 or the other at any given time.

>>56479927
So fuck yourself over by buying an inferior product, go shit your martyr complex out somewhere else you Linux dick sucking Microsoft hating AMD using moron. You never really know how much better the experience is when you use a professionally developed product and an objectively better piece of hardware until you do.

Hands up if you own a 970 AND your unhappy with it!

Only AMD fanboys care about this "scandal".

Why did Nvidia have so much success with Maxwell when it was pretty shit and barely even better than Kepler cards?

>>56482638
Maxwell cards have low power consumption. Except the Titan X and 980 Ti, but those have high performance to offset the high power consumption.

>>56482352
>Linux dick sucking Microsoft hating AMD using moron
But AMD users are the ones shilling DX12 and therefore windows 10.

>>56482661
Yeah but performance wise they were what, 5-10% faster than Kepler? How much do most users even care about power consumption anyway.

>>56478506
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nvidia+3.5

>>56482700
I don't know about average user, but I waited 5 years to buy a card that had power consumption that was low enough for me while still delivering adequate performance.

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>>56478163
>>56478163
<------ lmao that was a dank meme i r89 r9001 390/3.5gb of v for vendetta ram nvidiot be like do a 1080 and walk awayy lmao 144 way sli novideo grillforce gtx 480 clocked at 3.5hz 1080p 3.5 fps gimpworks edition human eye can see only 3/5 ram anyways water boiler titanal xp at 3.5p

>AMD, however, can advertise r9 295x2 as 8gb even though it can effectively only use 4gb

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>>56482700
Myself to a degree. Say like the 390 used twice as much power as a 970 but for only what was it, 15% more performance?

The trade off isn't worth if I'm using it a lot, we're talking 4 hours plus a day if the weather is shit and I'm not getting about much.

But now with Polaris Nvidia is still outpacing AMD but it's by about a lightbulb or two's worth at peak rather than 4 for just one part of the computer.

Allows you to use a smaller PSU and focus on OC'ing other parts too.

Nvidia is the only innovation when it comes to GPUs

they put fucking desktop performance on laptop chips, meanwhile AMD's crowning achievement for 2016 is release a chip thats equal to the GTX 970 in power and efficiency, a card from 2 years ago.

>>56478187
I'm just pissed that they hold back driver optimizations for the next-gen cards, I use vsync most of the time and better performance/watt would unburden my old power supplies and allow me to keep some cards around a little longer

>>56484258
That was the real sad part about polaris. I was expecting an improvement in both parts.

really the 470 seems the only polaris worth getting if it can be bought at a low enough price point.

>>56482669
They're shilling asynchronous compute. That includes Vulkan.

>>56484688
>AMDtards need currently irrelevant technology like HBM and Async because they keep their GPUs for 5-10 years at a time

>Meanwhile Nvidia users can afford to upgrade so Nvidia focuses on maximizing performance on what's relevant at the time

>>56478491
If they flipped their budgets around I think NVIDIA would have their shit slapped because they are of the mindset to buy favors and game deals and would have nothing left for product development

>>56484734
>currently irrelevant technology like HBM and Async
>being this delusional

>>56484734
problem is I can afford to do so but it feels iffy to me to spend £360 on a 1070.

>>56484777
>Muh Ashes of Singularity
by the time it becomes relevant Nvidia will have a new series that wrecks AMD's lineup in Async and DX12 performance

only reason why AMD "thinks ahead" is because you poorfags cant afford to upgrade

>>56484796
I get that you're just shitflinging but seriously, nobody is stupid enough to buy that.

>>56478163
When have they done this?

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AMD purposely breaks games so that they can make their shitty tech look better.

Just look at Battlefield 1 and Deus Ex, both AMD branded games, everything in the benchmark's a fucking mess but one thing you'll notice is that somehow the Fury is on par with the 1070 and 1080.

>>56484918
i'll accept Deus Ex being a pile of wank but how are Battlefield and Hitman broken?

>>56484918
That 0% fury x scaling says otherwise.

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>Nvidia uses goyworks to make their cards run better

>AMD uses Gaymen Evolved to make everyone equally shitty

>>56484913
>hey guys i post in threads without even skimming through the first 10 posts or so

>>56485263
All I saw was the gtx 970 vram meme, which is just that, a meme.

>>56482058
is this a shoop? gpus existed before 1999

>>56485280
>a meme
But they actually lied to you about the Vram

>>56485118
what does gaming evolved even do

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>>56485280
You didn't assume that AMDrones were blowing shit out of proportion?

>>56485371
Until you have games that use more than 3.5 gigs of Vram, of course
which they already do.

>>56485332
Gaming Evolved is what identifies games AMD paid off to use Async or whatever to make their cards look good. Basically anything Pajeet will use in his arguments like Ashes of Singularity or Hitman.

>>56485413
I game with my trusty 750ti in glorious 720p. Your move.

>>56485413
But the 970 has 4GB of usable vram. Same amount as the AMD flagship fury x.

>>56485413
Hello PS4 player, I see you got lost in /g/. In PC games you can adjust settings to change how much VRAM they use.

More VRAM = you can use higher resolutions, higher texture quality, more MSAA, etc. Assuming you have the hardware to actually render those higher settings anyway.

But yea, unlike in PS4 and Xbox One which is what you use and where you can't change settings, in PC games it's possible to tailor graphical settings to suit your graphics card.

>>56485413
I can still play most games on ultra or high settings on my GTX 670.

>>56485462
at 30 fps?
lmao

>>56485313
No they didn't. GPU is something nvidia made up when they created the Geforce 256. It had pretty specific hardware capability requirements which only the Geforce 256 at the time was capable of.

>>56485493
More like 45-50 and higher

>>56484744
If they flipped their budgets, AMD would spend its new budget on hookers and blow and end up in the same place they are right now.

You can't throw money at a problem and expect that it will fix itself. It might if it's something like a person who needs to die and you're hiring an assassin, but in this case it's pretty clear that it's not money that causes the problem.

>>56485313
nvidia just came up with the name 'gpu'

they have never acutally innovated anything, they're clever at disguising things that already exist as innovations and marketing them very well. much like apple.

>>56485554
it doesn't help when your cpu division is fucking everything up. if zen is good intel/nvidia is literally finished.

>>56485442
About the same here.

i5 4690k
Z97 Pro Gamer mobo (gifted by someone "Gamer means it's good, right?")
16gb of ram
750ti because I was waiting for a new gen of cards.

>>56485581
>they have never acutally innovated anything
Right now Nvidia is the ONLY innovator in GPUs, though.

Self driving cars? Nvidia.
Mobile chips that BTFO Qualcomm? Nvidia.
Laptop GPUs equal to their desktop counterparts? Nvidia
Deep Computing which is being used to solve a wide variety of problems? Nvidia
Only GPU manufacturer with proper OpenGL support? Nvidia.
Just about any scientific or professional application? Nvidia.

All AMD can do is make cheap gaming shit, but /g/ calls Nvidia the /v/ brand

>>56485838
>All AMD can do is make cheap gaming shit, but /g/ calls Nvidia the /v/ brand
Cheap buttcoin mining shit. Gamers can't buy AMD because buttcoin miners buy like 100 cards at once.

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>he thinks nvidrones will actually accept that they're being ripped off when they already spent their money

LOOOOOOOL

Nvidia
Pros:
>Better drivers
>Better performance
>Better efficiency
>Better support

Cons:
>.5gb of Vram
>5 less fps in Ashes of Singularity

>>56485932
it'd be better if AMD realised their stuff doesn't match Nvidia and price accordingly. It's embarrassing when it sells for the same price.

>>56478163
money

>>56478163
>no competition
That's basically how. You have to choose between a product with lower performance or a company that will constantly jew you, most people will just go for whatever gives you higher fps in the latest shitty console ports, even if it costs much more.

>>56478163
>loyal

Haha, how the fuck are you loyal? If AMD or Intel somehow pulled a GPU out of their ass that could beat nVidia's offering for the same price, you telling me you'd buy nVidia anyways? Of course you fucking wouldn't.

>>56482019
What's that? I can't hear you over the sound of my R9 290 maxing everything I throw at it. Fucking shill.

Holy shit, this thread is full of /v/ermin and shills.

>>56486762
There are plenty of people that already do this, you retard.

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>>56487632
Of course you can't hear a thing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlQokQsbKlc

>>56481520
Why the fuck do i need a login for video card software where the video card is here on my system?

God their leadership in their software department must be thick.

>>56487744
>reference cooler
Do I even need to say it? You're fucking retarded.

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>>56487801
>It's a reference cooler!
>This game isnt using DX12!
>You just didnt install the right driver!
>You didnt use a multithreaded workload!
>This game is made by Nvidia shills!
>This benchmark is by Nvidia shills!
>Just wait!
>Just wait until the next product!
>YOU JUST ARENT USING IT RIGHT, MAN!!!

The more excuses AMDfags make to justify their buyers remorse, the more I enjoy my comfy GTX 1070.
Feels good to be able to afford PC components from a competent company that leads the industry.

>>56487851
No one buys a reference cooler for any card unless they need a blower. Get fucked.

>>56487894

a better cooler doesn't fix the terrible perf/watt m8, it's still dispersing the same amount of heat, just more efficiently.

>>56487894
The best part about Nvidia is that their reference coolers aren't some $2 piece of shit, so you can buy one for your mini itx rig and it wont explode.

>>56487851
>>56485838
>>56484258
>>56482352
>>56482058
>>>/global/rules/11

>>56487911
Or, you could not be a retard and buy a decent cooler for about the same price. I've heard the ACX coolers are good, and my Tri-X cooler does very well in a mini ITX case.

>>56487908
That only matters if you pay your own electric bill, which I know none of you children do.

>>56487949
With how much AMDfags shill here you'd think the mods wouldve done something by now
And dont tell me you guys werent shitposting about the RX480 nonstop back in May, and fuck what a disappointment it was

AMDfags need to shill to justify their shitty purchases, they're the biggest fucking shills on this board.

Man, what a bunch of dumb consumerist fucks you all are. I hate how both modern technology and modern gaming is about sucking the dick of companies and a bunch of retarded brand loyalty. It's fucking embarrassing.

>>56488026
>what a disappointment
>met all performance metrics
>power issue fixed by driver update
>said driver update actually increased performance
Just admit you're a shill and fuck off.

>>56488057
Nobody sucks Nvidia's dick, they just buy because there's no alternative

AMD shills try to make you think that Nvidia's the one shilling on this board, then they'll massively blow AMD's new product out of proportion with shitposting.

>>56488089
See
>>56487949

>>56488099
>I have no argument so Im just gonna repeat myself and pretend im cool!

Fuck off Pajeet.

>>56488115
At this point it's just one side calling the other a shill, there's nothing new to add. Looks like the Nvidia marketing team did a good job of killing this thread before anyone could really address the OP.

>>56488078
>>met all performance metrics

it really didn't. the 480 is the same perf/watt as maxwell was 2 years ago. it's a complete failure compared to what NVIDIA has achieved this generation.

I am having a problem, i have a desktop that keeps crashing the display driver, im running x64 Windows 10, AMD Fx 8320 8 core processor, An R9 200 series (285) GPU, gigabyte 970a-ud3p Motherboard. ive got a nice cpu cooler and numerous fans. but for some reason when i play games on my pc it crashes after about 20 minutes or some (sometimes 5 minutes, even less sometimes) from what i can tell its not over heating my parts, they all run at solid temps, ive tried uninstalling and re installing drivers, ive tired all the drivers i can find that AMD has, i cant see any damage on my board or any other parts. the parts arent dirty, no dust or debris in the vents or fans, and from what i can tell the fans all run fine, im on the PC right now typing this so if it was anything really major id think it would fuck up all the time not just when i play league for 20 minutes. any ideas on what it could be? i dont want to blow money on a new GPU just to find out this one isnt broken...
i know one of you can help me! im at a loss here

>>56488247

this is normal for AMD hardware.

>>56488234
The 480 beats just about everything last gen for $200 MSRP or $250 for the 8GB version. The only thing Nvidia has to compete with is the 1060 which is more expensive for similar performance.

>>56488258
that doesnt help my problem. there has to be a way to fix it

>>56488247
Running stock clocks?

>>56488269
>The 480 beats just about everything last gen for $200 MSRP or $250 for the 8GB version.

huh? the 480 can't even beat the 390 or 970. it was basically DOA.

and lol, good luck finding a 4gb 480 or any $250 8gb model. they're more expensive than the 1060 is right now.

>>56488283
yup i havent fucked with anything in the OC department,

>>56488247
Use DDU to completely remove the old driver, then install the driver from AMD's page. It could also be DirectX.

>>56488258
Eat a dick

>>56488294
if its direct x then what might i try to resolve the issue. and i will try that thanks. most people arent productive at all.

>>56488291
What does your error log say?
Any criticals?

>>56488294
oh ive used that program already, the drivers on AMD's website dont seem to resolve the problem..

>>56478163
>>Gets a slap in the wrist
>nobody noticed this is wrong

>>56488315
well i have no idea really, but when im in league it crashes the driver, and shuts the display off (or makeks it go white) and reboots the driver, the AMD CCC says "Your graphics display driver has crashed and restarted" but i havent seen anything else other than that.

>>56488290
It matches the 390X pretty much everywhere, you miserable shill.

And you can get an 8GB 480 for $260 on Newegg right now, vs. close to $300 for a 1060.

>>56488315
im not the most tech savvy person really, but i know some shit, i can tell that nothing on the MB is blown or anything, no burn marks from over voltage and shit. i cantt make heads or tails of it. i just have no idea where to go for help without paying out the ass to someone who claims to be an expert that will tell me what MIGHT be wrong with it

>>56488351
Ah yep.
>>56488294
Definitely start with this, uninstall all direct X and .Net framworks and reinstall them. See if that works.
I have had problems with the .net in the past.

>>56488415
ok i havent tried that yet, thanks alot! ill report back to see if it has fixed anything, if this page is still up

>>56488400
I was just asking about over clocking because my own 8320 is fine at 4.4Ghz for everything but Dota 2. I put it down to the constant calculations it has to make.

>>56488026
>the mods wouldve done something by now
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>56488399
>It matches the 390X pretty much everywhere, you miserable shill.

it doesn't. the 480 is only on par with the 390 and 970 in the best case. the 1060 is on par with the 390x and 980.

>>56488448
well the problem is ive played witcher 3, GTA, skyrim, TF2, fallout 3-NV it crashes on all of them but im pretty sure they all use Direct x so that really might be the problem. but im willing to try anything i havent already, cause this is retarded, i have a PC i cant really use for gaming just sitting here

>>56488464
Really? Because every. fucking. review., every last one, shows it hanging around the 390X and even beating the Fury in a few places.

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>>56488515

except they don't.

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>>56488538
Are we really going to do this?

>>56488588

>cherrypicking one game at an obsolete resolution when an average of ~20 games disproves your claim

clearly from this graphic you've posted we can also see that a 295x2 is slower than a 290x and that a nano is equivalent performance to a fury non-x.

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>>56488614
Fine.

>>56488415
apparently you cant even uninstall those 2 programs and they are at their latest versions. something about them being integrated with windows? did you have a specific way to do this cause from what im reading i cant downgrade either

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>>56488632

>>56488632

>1600x900

you must be trolling, or the world's most delusional amd fanboy. did you buy a 480 or something?

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>>56488656
And don't forget these.

>>56488656
Here's 1080p >>56488652, which is what most people on a budget will be using.

So what we can deduce from this thread is that /g/ really is as stupid as reddit.

>>56488688
s/\/g\//4chan/

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>>56488671

any non-reference 1060 will be superior value than a 480

>which is what most people on a budget will be using.

games are not gpu bound at 1080p with these cards. trying to imply that '480 = 390x' because of this is farcical. if the 480 was really on par with the 390x, it would be performing the same at 1440p and 4k, which it clearly isn't.

>>56488719
>muh non-reference cooler
Isn't that what you were bitching at me about earlier? And anyway, obviously the RX 480 benefits significantly from a non-reference cooler as well. You'll notice the only 480 in this graphic is a reference cooler and it's still a close competitor to the aftermarket 1060.

>>56488719
>games are not gpu bound at 1080p with these cards
If that were the case then changing GPUs wouldn't affect framerate so much, but obviously a 1080 can do a lot more on the same processor than a 1060 or a 480.

>>56488746

has nothing to do with the cooler, and i wasn't posting in this thread earlier. the reason why AIB 1060s are better are simply because they're priced lower than the goyim edition (which is why perf/$ is so low for the reference 1060 in TPU's charts).

the 1060 itself doesn't benefit much from a better cooler as it only draws 120w at 100% load.

>>56488758
Some of them are priced lower. The best ones are higher. But you can get a Powercolor 1060 for about the same price as a STRIX 480.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/geforce-experience-3-beta-finished,32655.html

lol

We all thought they had abandoned their plans for locking driver updates behind their software but seems its still full steam ahead. This is just phase 1 of the plan.

>>56488772
>Powercolor
>Nvidia cards
since when

>>56488331
they owe a few bucks to people
Only AMD fanboys gave a shit about the .5gb thing so I doubt anyone signed up for it

>>56488247
still experiencing the same issuea. Leagues image will freeze but the game still runs in the back ground, it minimizes the game and the cursor that was current on league when the game crashed is now the mouse cursor on the desktop. i cant click anything. the PC isnt over heating. so i have no fucking idea :(

>>56478163

1080ti is going to be the first card to run stable 4K native.

>>56489090
The 1080 already does 4k pretty stable right now.

>>56489065
no one else has any suggestions?!

Sometimes I wonder if the shills realize they're doing straight up damage to the company whose dick they take every moment.

Like where do you think you are, actually trying to spread misinformation and straight up attacking characters on a anonymous imageboard, when a company needs shills, and resorts to lowly tactics like "lmao you virgin obsessed" it shows how much value their actual product has.

Whatever, at least these are good indicator for those smart enough to do their own research, about the intentions of a company, so they can avoid them.

Thanks shills, now I know not to buy shitvidia.

>>56489107

Not if you want every slider maxed out (which you shouldn't).

>>56489090
Titan XP already has performance for that

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>>56489201
I mean, youre just willingly cucking yourself right now to a shittier product by not using Nvidia over a bunch of internet meanies. Your problem.

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>>56478163

>>56478163
Nvidia is a bit like Apple. They have some sort of cult following where people will defend them over things that are indefensible.

>>56481520
What, really? They're pulling a razer and requiring you to have an online account to do stuff with your own hardware?

>>56485446
"usable" in quotation marks. As in you can technically use it, but you fucking wouldn't, because it kills performance.

>>56478163
>he doesn't take advantage of cuda cores to program Bayesian networks to predict the future