/mkg/ - Mechanical Keyboard General

How hard is it to find ALPS keycaps? I only saw one offer on massdrop

>>56455424
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1362

and

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1361

>>56455553
Yeah I just found these

Kinda sad there are only 2 easy to find offers when there are so many alps clones out there. Some classic-style blue caps like in model F SSK would be sick

>>56455381
what keyboard will fit nicely on top of my thinkpad?

>>56455598
Model M since you're going full meme anyway

My ricer cousin wants me to machine him keys from aluminium and get them anodized, while he's ready to pay stupid amounts of money for it, I need to get some information on the actual keys themselves before I decide to waste my time with this.

Is there any place where I can get a detailed pictures of the keys with measurements.

I think he has brown switches, but aren't all the Cherry MX mounts the same anyway?

>>56455708
You want to make keycaps right?

You could just take some keycaps and and measure them out.

Other than that, I think signature plastics has some datasheets available.

>Buy HHKB
>Feels fucking amazing to type on
>1 month later want to buy something better
>Realize there's nothing better
>1 month later want to buy something better
>Rinse & Repeat

Feels fucking fantastic.

>>56455708
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Keyboard_profile#Contoured_keys

he might want spherical:
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cylindrical_keycap
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Spherical_keycap

>>56455871
>>56455787

Thank you.
I have all the information I need now.

Doing some back of the envelope calculation each key would cost over 250 dollars to machine and that's just the machine cost, unless I machine them into a sheet and cut them out, even then it's stupidly expensive.

What a waste of time.

My Pok3r just arrived. Is there a way to rebind any key like capslock to TOGGLE? I wanna lock FN somehow.

>>56455855
Complicated blue alps are better than Topre switches.

>>56456121
most alps switches are better then topre

Why is it ok to recommend Logitech or Razers but not Corsair?

>>56456215
it's mostly just that corsair has a non-standard bottom row so that replacing the keycaps is a mess

>>56456215
there's nothing wrong with the keyboards, its just that for the same price you can get better boards. So you really are paying extra for a brand name.
Corsair used to have defective switches, but they have improved, though the none standard layout in their keyboards means you can replace the poor quality keycaps they use

>>56456215

corsair has weird layout so replacing keycaps is a pain

razer is all around faulty trash that panders to 14 year old HARDCORE GAYMERS

logitech is pretty solid, but i recommend looking at other manufacturers like ducky, filco, CM, vortex etc for keyboards. buy your mouse from logitech instead, can't go wrong with their amazing mice

What are your opinions on modern model M?
Ones that are remade, like Unicomp, do they feel/are the same? Are they worth it?
Also, does anybody know any other 90's mechanical keyboards like model M, i mean surely not everybody was using only that keyboard?

>Budget
Around 80€=a little more dollars
>Location (continent at least)
Germany
>Preferred switch type
Tactile and medium(I think)
>Layout
ISO
>Form factor
100%(doesn't have to have music navigation etc though)
>Backlight
Can have it,but definitely not required(depends on the price rise)
>Previous/current keyboards
Cheap logitech one for like 10 bucks

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>>56456368
Here's the thing back in the old days of computing electronics were expensive. Computers cost tens of thousands of dollars and were massive, which meant that people could spend lots of money on computer parts. Now when IBM made their model F keyboard it retailed for around $10,000 in today's money and was designed to last 30 years since if you had to use a terminal it wasn't at home because no one could afford it only big companies. The mechanisms of the IBM model F is virtually indestructible since they are made from really high quality components no one in their right mind would use for keyboards. Now as computers got cheaper smaller companies began to buy them, and to capture the market IBM produced the model M keyboard. It used much lower quality components compared to the model F, but it is still better then modern keyboards. But computers got even cheaper so IBM made the model M2, which was even worse then the model M and I would never recommend you buy one.

Now IBM wasn't the only one making keyboards. Alps made their own switches and had very similar quality to IBM's buckling spring, but as computers got cheaper they simply couldn't lower the cost of production for such a well built and complicated switch and ended up selling their patents in the mid 90s.

Now if you want other keyboards switches here's some:

Space invaders (pic related)
Futaba
Mitsumi hybrid switch
Omron B3G (loudest switch ever made)
Nec Oval

>>56456642
Thank you, good info
I wasn't really asking about switches, more like whole package thing, name and model of the keyboard you could just buy as whole, but thanks anyway.
I'm still kinda hoping to find someone who has one Model M (or something similar) and doesn't know/care about it, so i could get it cheap
There is still hope for this in Slovenia i guess, i still see old keyboards here and there (one friend has 3 90's keyboards, working, hes willing to give them to me for free but none are mechanical tho, one could take them just for looks tbqh)

>>56456642
>when IBM made their model F keyboard it retailed for around $10,000 in today's money
source?

>>56456788
Honestly most of those switches are used in crappy keyboards I would only buy as a novelty, with the exception of Mitsumi switches which aren't fully mechanical but are still clicky. If you want to buy old keyboards then stick with alps and buckling springs. Heck most old Dell keyboards have alps and sell on ebay for around $40

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Who else placed their order? 5 days to go~

>>56456821
I think he meant whole computer

Anyone here do the shelf liner mod on a Pok3r? I bought some shelf liner to put under my keyboard and I figure I might as well put some inside as well.

Where the FUCK can I get black keys with white lettering for my Model M

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posting from it
shit is beautiful

>>56457463
ah ok

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Can anybody tell me if any of these are worth anything? I can get them all for free (sorry for shit pic)
Also there is a strangely shaped IBM one with logo on the bottom, arrow keys under space-bar line and gray keys?No more info, just 2 photos (mint condition, almost free), i can post pics if anyone is interested

>>56457742
>LGBT cable
Fucking kill yourself.

>>56457776
The lower left one looks like it has the cherry logo on it (can't tell for sure due to the image quality), that may be worth something.

If it's near free, I'd just get all of them and then check out what kind of switches they have. You can always throw them out later if they turn out to be worthless.

>>56457809
>LGBT cable
>LGBT
Newfriend spotted

>>56457742
>MLP cable
Fucking kill yourself.

>>56457776
Right side is worthless
Left side is worthless mostly the bottom one could be worth something if its a g80 but not sure cant tell at this moment

>>56457742
>LSD cable
Fucking kill yourself druggie.

>>56457864
The lower left IS cherry but there are few ways to actually tell its the real deal unless you could check the bottom for the model numba

>>56457742
>color photographs
Off yourself, spawn of the devil

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>>56457864
>>56457879
Yeah, it is a cherry, but there is no more info or better pics, maybe i'll pick em up later
Thanks
Posting the IBM one, didn't find anything on the web, and it says made in china on the back (have a clear pic of the sticker)

>>56457776
most of them are worthless, but the cherry on the bottom left, if its a g80 or g81 its worth something, but if its a g83 then don't bother

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>>56457949
Ok, i don't know much about Cherry's

>>56457947
crazy af layout

>>56457989
g80s have classic MX switches, which some autists pay 100 bucks for. The g81 uses MY switches which aren't in production anymore

#define L1LPRN LT(_L1, KC_LPRN)
#define L2RPRN LT(_L2, KC_RPRN)

the key codes are giving 9 and 0 rather than parens like i want
wrapping them in S() does nothing
any ideas?

>>56458074
>MY switches which aren't in production anymore
Are they?
They are supposed to be utter shit though, worse than a decent rubber dome from what I've read.

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I'm currently checking out a vast array of key switched to get my first mechanical keyboard. I like the Gateron Red. It seems perfect for a Ctrl key. Using a tactile or any heavier key for a key I use that often (Emacs) and that is that peripheral seems like a bad idea. What do you think?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823816070

y/n

>>56458363
I've seen Chinese keyboards with better build quality for the same price. Get a Ducky shine 5 if you want RGB
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1366

>>56458130
MY's are disgusting

>>56458363
n
you won't see anyone in here supporting you buying corsair/logitech/razer/cooler master other than babby's first mech

>>56458275
Learn to palm your modifiers.

>>56458532
Cooler master is a fine brand depending on which board you go with.

Does anyone here have a Terminus Mini 2? How is it?
Also, if i was looking to get one, should i get it with gaterons rather than cherry MXs?

ISO vs ANSI

>>56458582
Average at best, wouldn't say fine. QFR is an okay keyboard for the price, but mine was first faulty (had to send back) then got one that worked and the rubbery texture wore out really fast, gone down to the plastic in a few months. Also the cheap shitty ABS keys won't last long.

A lot of chinese brands that are overall better and cheaper.

>>56458642
Depends on where you were raised but most here are ANSI. If you go for ISO then enjoy the hell of finding compatible keysets.

>>56458537
That's a reasonable alternative, yeah. Or get a foot pedal, which would be funnier, but more impractical

>>56458660
Actually, I'm asking because I'm not sure if shelling out extra to import the EliteKeyboards 45g Topre in ANSI over the KeyboardCompany 45g Topre in ISO is worth the effort.

55g sounds too heavy and almost everyone who isn't a 10-finger touch typist seems to hate variable weighting, so...

>>56458792
Well if it's Topre anyway, you probably don't care about getting other keysets because that shit is nowhere. :' (
Up to you really. I'd still go for ANSI because there's things about ISO I just hate, like the tiny left shift.

>>56458660

got rapid-i and it's perfectly fine so far, no faulty LEDs or anything, keys are fine, rubber is fine

they fixed all the issues in the latter batches

>>56458088
is there a qmk irc room anyone knows of where i could ask?

>>56455598

Pok3r or HHKB Pro 2

What's a good tester for trying out switchs?

>>56455598

pick any decent 60%

>>56459027 this anon got some good suggestions

>>56459070
how much money you willing to spend and what switches do you want to test out?

>>56453246
Yes, it is a clueboard with a FC660M case.

Hey mc nuggs I want the biggest meme board I can find boy where it at nigga WHERE IT AT NIGGA

I assume If I have and ISO layout keyboard, I can get a keyset for a different region, change it on windows and be good to go right?

>>56459616

any board with 1976 keyset and torpe/alps

>>56459760
NAH NIGGA I DON'T AGREE WIT UR OPINION

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New keyboard incoming

>>56459914
you are a homosexual

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>tfw someone is selling a Pok3r with clears near you for a 100 dollar but you don't have any money right now

G-guess I'm stuck with my CM TKL with browns for a little while longer

>>56460195
poor frogposter.

>>56460195
Shouldn't have bought a meme board.

It cost more to upgrade then it does to buy one keyboard

Is it possible for the Fn key on my Novatouch to do anything with the other keys besides the function keys?

>>56457809
>LGBT cable
I admit I laughed

How are the keycool switches compared to cherry? I'm used to brown's, are their browns similar?

>>56460543
>keycool switches
Basically all these try hard switches that are trying to compete with cherry cut costs by not using gold in their switches. They're shit and they are not durable.

The funniest thing is fucking razor using a wire attached to a fucking rubber dome and then calling it high tech.

I'm done with these try hards. Stick to the good brands.

>>56460473
What keyboard is that?

>>56460473
>>56460711
I looked it up and its sold out everywhere.

Every keyboard I look up in this thread is sold out. I end up having to go with a CoolerMaster keyboard.

>>56460711

KBP V60

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i remember these threads being dead back then. now theres like 5 threads a day now. its nice desu.

>>56460723
Pok3r is the same thing but with an aluminum case.

>>56455381
10-14 day shipping for my pok3r
FUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>56460723
looks like you aren't looking hard enough
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/search.php?keyword=&brand=34&switch=&size=60%25&led=&capmat=&capprint=&model=&availability=&show_kb=off&show_kb=on&show_acc=off&show_acc=on

>>56458640

What is the absolute cheapest mechanical keyboard you guys can suggest?

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>>56458275
swap leftctrl and caps

>>56458642
ANSI

i went from ISO to ANSI and ANSI is much, much better. the enter key is more accessible without having to more your hand as much, there are no triple layers and the overall layout is far superior for programming

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what the fuck is up fellas?
aint been around in a while but i just got my cmy caps with the black legends shit is cash as fuck
what are yall waiting on?

>>56462075
Tomoko is one that I would recommend if you want a cheap TKL. If you want a cheap full size with a white backlight then Monoprice with outemu switches
If you want 60% they are a bit more expensive because they're niche but Royal Kludge for 60 buck is okay

>>56462108
I don't now why but when I look at those keycaps I imagine the typeface to be comic sans

>>56462125
Thanks for the suggestions buddy. Will be looking them up shortly.

>>56462156
Tomoko is around $35-40, while monoprice is on sale for $45 on their website. The royal kludge is on mechanicalkeyboards.com

Just understand that with cheap keyboards you won't be getting high quality components so don't be too harsh on them

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>>56462141
the font is fairly round

>>56462156
they come in different switches if you want linear or tactile ones
https://www.amazon.com/TOMOKO-Mechanical-Keyboard-Water-Resistant-Anti-ghosting/dp/B01DBJTZU2

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=316

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=13790&gclid=CK2dn9-h_M4CFQIkhgodDdINNA

>>56462207
50 bucks for 10 usable caps. Thats a bit too much for my tastes. I can buy a whole PBT keycap set for that much

>>56462197
>>56462246
I'm leaning towards the Tomoko for now as the board being backlit isn't that much of an issue. Let's see if I can't stretch my budget a bit more. The suggestions and links are highly appreciated, friend.

>>56462279
it was 40 desu
i dont mind spending that much for some mods
70 is where i draw the line tho, originative had a set of abs caps for that much

how do I know if keycaps support LEDs? Is there a filter or something to search for when specifically looking for those?

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>>56462295
well what is your budget?
A noppoo lolita spyder is worth around 40-50 bucks

>>56462315
here
>>56462207
would love to have something like this but be illuminated by leds for example

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>>56462315
All keycaps support RGB

>>56462325
I'd draw the line at 50 I guess. The lower the better.

>>56462315
itll say something like shine through
most caps dont have clear legends or stuff like that
massdrop has gbs with caps like that every few weeks

>>56462344
i'd recommend saving up for an $80-100 keyboard it would be a bit nicer and it would last you longer before having to upgrade

>>56458532
who gives a shit they are all the same shit you loser weeb

>>56462344
If you want you can get an old Alps keyboard on ebay for that price. Apple AEK if you want it for a mac, or a dell AT101W. Alps switches have much better quality then all these cherry knockoffs you can get for the same price

>>56462363
I would if I could but I absolutely have to get my TV fixed, replace busted speakers and some other shit.
>>56462393
Having used my trusty old Logitech K120 for the better part of two years now, anything remotely mechanical will feel heavenly I assume.

>>56458532
they can be somewhat decent, not even overpriced compared to some of the chinkshit and "artisan" shit that gets posted

>>56462440
Lol I went from a k120 to an IBM model M. I was worried about buying an old keyboard, but IBMs are very well built especially the model F. Don't go for the IBM model M2 they're garbage

>>56461093
If I were to buy an apple M0110 could I make it a discount hhkb by adding layers somehow

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why do you autists advocate gimped 60% boards with less keys and then ogle over old XBOX huge fullsize IBM boards?

>>56462643
i prefer 75% but basically the 80%+ boards require an unnecessary amount of hand movement and they get in the way of your mouse, it's not as ergonomic and productive

>>56462207
>>56462108
Would there be any place to basically order these keycaps but with LED support?

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>>56455381

Hey /mkg/,

I am trying to compile my new planck firmware and getting nowhere fast.

So far I have tried:
>W10 bash
>MHV AVR Tools/MinGW
>Docker
>Cygwin

While following this guide:
>http://qmk.fm/#customizing-your-keymap

They all give me numerous errors.

For example, while trying to use bash I can't get anything to run. It tells me to run git but git isn't installed, the "sudo util/install_dependencies.sh" command it tells me to run just gives me command not found errors.

Does anyone have an easier to follow guide?

>>56462696
massdrop has backlit keys sometimes
you just need to check the old buys and see what they say
as for rgb/cmy backlit mods, ive never seen any before
wasdkeys has backlit keys on their site but they are sold out at the moment

>>56462757
you can't use bah on windows because it doesn't work.
instal gentoo

>>56462696
the point of them is mainly for the retro look, don't know of any with shine-through, but you can look for rgb cmy modifier keycaps and variations like rgby cmyk cmyw etc

>>56462757
>windows
found your problem
gnu/freedom here - everything just works

though indeed, as you've pointed out, their documentation isn't very good and their examples often aren't helpful
but you're not even there yet...

would you like help installing a usable operating system?

Why do people use mechanical keyboards? They look like hipster trash.

>>56462888
ur gay

>>56462855

Would a live USB work?

I need windows for work and would hate to have to mess with a linux install just to compile this one damn layout.

I haven't used a linux install since Mandriva like 3 or 4 years ago.

>>56462888
>They look like hipster trash.
no they don't, only if you get gay keycaps that match your shoes or whatever, and who cares if they look hipster anyway, this site is 18+ you know

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>>56462643
I don't.

>>56462973
That is beacause you're a homosexual

>>56463077
Shouldn't you be going to bed soon?

>>56463094
It's 12 and i'm pretty tired, but I need to shit post

>>56463138
>that's cuz
you're a
homosexua
>l

I am in Japan right now and have tried a bunch of keyboards. I want a topre now, but which one do I get? There are so many and I'm not sure if the prices are good.

>>>56456121
>most alps switches are better then topre

≥Opinion

>>56463744
You seem to have the luxury of internet. Why don't you go look for yourself?

>>56463744

HHKB BT

I think you are nuts for wanting a Topre though. Not enough clickyness for me.

>>56463858
he probably doesn't know moon

>>56463785
It's an opinion with strong evidence to back it up. Alps switches were produced at a much higher budget than any modern switch due to the high asking price for keyboards back when Blue Alps were being sold. Blue Alps were the predecessor to White Alps, and were made at a higher cost than White Alps ever were. The higher price allowed for better materials, sturdier build quality and better quality control. It's the reason why Model F keyboards are pretty much universally agreed on to be higher quality than Model M keyboards, old cherry switches were better than the modern shit they put out, and why no one is ever interested in buying simplified alps switches.

>>56459244
Sorry for the late reply. I guess cherry because most mechanicals use them or something akin to them. From what I've seen anyway. Nowhere I can go try them myself out in the boonies.

Long as isn't like 20 dollars, I think I'll be okay.

I fell for the split keyboard meme and now I type like a toddler because my technique sucks. I used to use left pointer for y and h because I have long ass fingers and it felt comfy

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>>56464269
I actually added a photo but my net is absolutely awful

>>56463937
You can access English websites from Japan, and he's a fucking dumbass if he's going to nipland without knowing moon.

>>56464302
That's some awful positioning.

>>56464269
I have shitty typing practices too and I would consider getting a split keyboard to force myself to type better if it weren't for the fact that split/ergonomic keyboards are the least comfortable things to type on in the world.

Hey guys, I just picked up the Corsair Vengeance K65 for $75. Not interested in LEDs and just wanted a simple and we'll building board for >100$. I also refuse to plug Chinese usbs into my computer. Did I fuck up?

>>56464380
Stop asking for validation. Shit like this is why /g/ is awful. Convince youself that it's good and fuck off.

>>56464380
>I also refuse to plug Chinese usbs into my computer.
corsair keyboards are made in china so..?

>>56464400
>posting in a thread where people recommend purchases
>getting upset when someone asks about the validity of a purchase
Really makes you think

>>56464511
what do you want us to tell you? have you done any research yourself? can you still return it and get something else instead?

>>56464511
It's a done deal. Return it if you want to, I don't care either way.

>>56464535
>us
Bro it's time to get up from the computer and take a break.

I ordered it, can return, and was wondering if anyone had some personal experience with this keyboard or similar ones from corsair that could help indicate the quality of the build and how it compare to other keyboards they have used. As people in this thread are likely more experienced in the world of mechanical keyboards than the reviewers of say, Amazon, I wanted to know their opinion on the product. While true, the ultimate decision of keeping it or not will be up to me, I was generally asking if I made any egregious errors with regards to purchasing price or if the model had a history of failure.

>>56464611
there are plenty of decent keyboards to choose from at the $75-100 price point especially if you don't care about leds, you can get one with nicer keycaps etc, corsair has ABS keycaps when you could get stiffer and more durable PBT instead, and corsair has a non-standard bottom row so it's basically impossible to get replacement keycaps which fit well

>>56464321
I actually find this one pretty comfortable but I wouldn't recommend it either way.

I haven't given myself long to adjust but I definitely find it annoying having to type words that exist entirely on one side of the keyboard using one hand, especially on the right. It takes me ages.

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>>56464269
>>56464321
>>56464713
try keybr.com, only took one 4 hours session for me to learn decent proper touch typing from the ground up and then i've done a total of a few more hour of practice and i'm already typing basically as fast as with my old sloppy style but with far less strain

the only time i type on the "wrong" side is for Y and B sometimes when i type fast

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Thoughts on topre switch keyboards? I've been using a G110 for literal years and recently been interested in getting an new keyboard for the fun of it, but dunno if I should go topre or mechanical with linear switch.

I hear they're both kind of similar in feel, but topre costs a lot more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbYDZWlCBSc

who ordered a tada68 here?
mine is probably on the second shipment since some niggas on reddit already got theirs and posted about them
said they are great so im pretty hyped

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>>56465342
I love topre a lot.
Just wished they got heavier topres

>>56465342
Linears feel like Topre in the sense that pears taste like apples. You could make a bad comparison, but ultimately they're too different.
>>56465396
55g, brother.

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>>56465441
I have the all 55g realforce

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There's one of theese laying around in the officce, but it doesn't feel mechanincal.

Is it worth anything?

>>56462325
I can't help but thinking that other people in the office find "Lolita" written on my kb and call Chris Hansen. I wanted to try it out, but just no.

>>56465575
>That layout
Fucking cool as fuck
But sadly no. its a rubber dome keyboard

>>56465605
Dedicated copy&paste buttons, undo&again, and ther stuff. It also has the mod key which Model M lacks. It does feel better than a 5$ rubberdome.

Maybe someone on eBay will fall for the meme :^)

>>56456595
Self-bump,because I used the buyers template,but no one cares :(

Hey guys im buying my first mechanical keyboard and could use some advice
>Budget
I would like to keep it under 100e but i can go over that
>Location (continent at least)
Slovenia, buying from amazon.co.uk
>Preferred switch type
I've only tried chetty mx and i think they were ok, il use the keyboard for gaming and collage work (word, excell...)
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
80% - tenkeyless
>Backlight
Blue, white or none
>Previous/current keyboards
Razer lycosa, old logitech keyboards

>>56466983
P.S. i don't want the switches too bee too loud so it doesn't bother my roommates

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>>56457026
Those gradients always seem so tasteless. Similar those miami caps that all the kids seem to like.

>>56456121
>Complicated blue alps

Tell me where I can buy a keyboard with these switches for under $500 and I'll buy it.

Is the Happy Hacking Keyboard any good?
Or should I get the Pok3r keyboard?
All 60%

>>56467205
well since the going price is only 150-200 bucks on ebay, that's not really difficult to find

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Any good ISO TKL to replace this with?

>>56467346
HHKB is a fucking meme board that people just buy as a status symbol.
Pok3r is probably the best 60% board on the market.

Your decision.

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>>56467190
I don't like the gradient ones, but how can you dislike the miami caps? They look so good.

The ones in your pic are pretty nice too.

>>56467346
get a switch tester before you buy. I had a realforce 87U and didn't like it at all. given how overpriced they are, that's a pretty expensive mistake.

pok3r has a metal case, and a whole lot more keycap sets available. some cherry switches are meh (brown, black) but i like the reds, whites and clears.

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>>56462757

I figured it out.

Half their instructions were wrong.

They put an s where they didn't need one and left it out where they did.

It was a fucking mess.

>>56467205
Its funny I was looking for an old alps keyboard on ebay and in one of the suggested links at the bottom had some old looking beat up keyboard for 40 bucks. I googled the model number on the back of it and found that it had blue alps. I didn't bother with it because it looked like it was marinated in a toilet even though the seller said it works.
Now that I know those switches are rare I feel a bit stupid now

>>56467190 look I would have to agree with >>56467452 here. They may look tacky but if a person really likes the caps (I have Miami and love them) then they'll be more inclined to look after them better and therefore get better satisfaction.

It's always gonna be subjective but the main reason I chose miami caps was:
a) They were PBT caps
b) I wanted something that was a really light/bright colour scheme so I could read them in low light.
Also they do have a certain childish charm to them which I love :D.

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What more could you ever want /g/?

>>56458074
They don't pay for the switches, they pay for the caps. Some models have pretty nice doubleshots.
>>56458130
Rubber domes are tactile, while MY are linear. You can't compare them.
>>56458523
Why? If you like linear switches, they are a good choice.

>>56467906
I liked it better when they used cherry components instead of their own cheap stuff.

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>>56467357
Lioncast LK20

>>56465342

I recently switched from a G15 (rubber dome) that I have prettymuch always regretted buying because of its obnoxious design.
After trying all the cherry switches I couldnt really get myself to like any of them. All the non linear switches, I just couldnt get used to the 'dead space' above and below the tactile/click points.
I went and bought a 45g Realforce instead. It is the closest feel to a rubber dome, but far far smoother, and just feels all round more solid.

Obviously one of the main downsides to Topre switches at the moment are that there are no backlights available (although Topre RGB in the works, just google it).

Realforce vs Novatouch though, realforce comes with the better PBT keycaps that you wont have to switch out (finding replacements is a pain anyway), unless you buy the novatouch sliders and mod them in, but then your original pbt keycaps will be incompatable.
The Novatouch is apparently a lot louder, and you would want to get some of those Silencing rings made by Hypersphere, although by the time you have bought those and replaced the keycaps you are already probably spending more then on a Realforce.

If you can bear to lose the backlight, Topre switches are awesome desu. (or get that chinese backlit ripoff, or wait for the RF RGB)

>>56467431
Cry some more kid

>>56468015
Stroustrup apparently has 2 HHKB in his office. I guess he is likes them quite a lot.

>>56467906
actual quality for one

>>56468315
Its not just about hhkb being nice but he calls them a meme after that jerking a jerked up keyboard named the poker 3 he doesnt know keyboard

>>56468462
damn rubberholics are fucking annoying, go deepthroat your tiny chunk of plastic already

>>56468483
Learn about keyboards kid or go to reddit and upvote ugly artisans instead fucktard

>>56467906
Good switches

Is the tactile feel of mx browns really similar to mx blues?

>>56469256
no.

browns do not have a "tactile" feel
they have a scratchy linear feel

someone once posted a german manufacturer website with a keyboard claiming to be mechanical for 9 euro, anyone still got info or a link? had some weird 3 letter company name

>>56455381
is it impossible to change razer blackwidow tournament keycaps or do any fit? (windows key looks smaller for ex.)

>Tfw really want the hhkb but should really use the money to pay for textbooks...
One day... One day.

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Is there a name for keyboards that don't have the outer casing around the keys? Poker III, Corsair k70, Blackwidow X, and Tomoko MMC023 have it. I really like that kind of design.

>>56469569
They looks like standard stems, so yes.

As far as a non-standard R1 goes, check against the other keys and this chart. 1.25 on the bottom row is standard, but other sizes exist.

http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/media/keycap_layout.jpg

>>56469847
I am quite new to this, what does R1, 1.25 and all that mean? Thank you a lot.

>>56469757
"floating keys" or "open topcase"

>>56467452

anyone know some good petite keyboards like this for under 100 euro in the UK(region)

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MX reds don't feel that different from membranes

>>56469868
Apologies.

R1: Row 1, or the bottom row of the keyboard keys. Because keys on different rows have different shapes, they are assigned different row names. R1 is the bottom row, and the usually the row above, too. The profile is the sum of all of these rows, and the different ways they contour:

1, 1.25, 1.5, 1.75, 2 etc.: The width of the keys, relative to a "standard" square key. Alphanumeric keys and the like are 1, with other keys being either 1.25, 1.5, 1.75 etc. times as wide.

Usually, the easiest way to tell the size of a keycap is to eyeball it, but for a beginner it might be better to use a ruler or something and work out the ratio of 1:1, 1:1.25, 1:1.5 etc.

For anything else, the /r/mechanicalkeyboards wiki is pretty good. The deskthority wiki is good for more technical stuff. Or post here :)

>>56469847
Pimp my Keyboard sells PBT blanks that may fit. Look up what sizes you need and they should have them.

>>56470053
thank you so much anon, not used to this kind of detailed answers usually, thanks, going to look into it.

>>56467975

Cool keyset, is it on pimpmykeyboard?

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Can anybody tell me if any of these are worth anything?

>>56470149
thanks

>>56470230
Bottom ones the most, (both are off the Model M design) but i'd also beside them take the blue packard one, cause of the paint

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>>56470230
The commodore is cool uses this hybrid switch kinda like domes (see picture)
The whole right side isnt worth any
The left side idk about that dan and not sure how much a commodore is worth nor if it types good but Id buy it for sure

>>56470563
>Both are off the model m design
Wow please even the model m had shit versions off it and a lot of designs were like this
Fuck off with false information

>>56470581
thanks.

>>56470606
I wanted to say that they look like M, but are not that's the point
Fuck you too

>>56470154
Not a problem.

Also worth checking out what the other anon said about pimp my keyboard. You might be able to find some nice keycaps there

>>56470698
You fucking dumbfuck stop trying talking it off retard

>>56470005
topre too

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>>56470723
After looking more into it it seems, most dont have the razor bottom row (pic related is wasd) - I imagine that would look ugly to have standard keycaps left, how do you guys find fitting ones? also the custom configurator of those sites doesnt allow for custom row sizes, would I have to get the keys for 7$ each?..

>>56467357
Where do I get that ESC key?

>>56470768
fuck you motherfucker, go die you smelly subhuman asshole, hang youself

>>56470887
Get a keyset you like plus:
http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-1-5-space-pack-of-4/
http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-1-space-pack-of-10/

>>56470965
Thanks anon, I will try to match up the colors from wasd with this somehow.

>>56470965
>>56470887
Don't forget a 6U
http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-spacebars-pack-of-1/
or
http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dsa-spacebars-pack-of-1/
Make sure it's a PBT color under the resources tab.

>>56471038
thank you so much, you helped me quite a lot, wish wasd had all this too, so I could just order it from there.

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>>56470230
>>56470952
>>56470606

>>56471193
What keyset are you thinking of getting?

>>56471328

Keyboards are serious business.

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>>56471333
the usual I saw here that I liked, black/(smoke-) white, pic related, not 100% sure yet though, trying to gather more ideas.

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>>56471615

>>56470606
autist

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>>56471920

>>56472065
whats this reaction even supposed to be

>>56472340
Rofl I dont know I didnt know what it was so I just posted it. I dont even know where I got that from

>>56472576
>I dont know
>I dont know
>I d-d-d-ont know
just come out the closet, anon.

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>>56471746

>>56472662
I dont know, maybe.

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>>56472907

How does Topre compare to bucklingspring?

>>56470188
cherry caps from some old g80 and g81.

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>>56473136

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>>56473406

http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dsa-patriot-keycap-set/

what do you guys think of the patriot keycap set?
i'm thinking of getting some gold(zinc) WASD keys too and going full trump

>budget:
<200$
>location
Scandinavia
>switch type
Topre
>layout
ISO
>form factor
TKL, with arrows
>backlight
not important for me
>previous keyboard
CM Storm TK brown switches

>>56457742
>noah's ark cable
neck yourself christfag

>>56473911

http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/uk-novatouch-hybrid-capacitive-switch-mx-fitting-keyboard.asp

>>56473841
the zinc keycaps on wasd would be OEM profile and everything else would be DSA profile.

not like that's the only thing wrong with that idea anyway

>>56474137
not the one you referred to, but what are OEM and DSA profile?

>>56473911
>>56474098
i forgot to mention that i wanted a nordic/swedish-finnish keyset

>>56474330

In that case you might have to stretch your budget for a Realforce.

http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/swedish-realforce-88ub-45g-key-black-on-black-mini-keyboard.asp#reviews

>>56474383
thanks

>>56474330
ISO and nordic ISO are trash, especially if you do programming

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>>56474231
different keycap molds

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Could I get a recommendation for a sampler?

I didn't see anything of the sort in the pastebin

>>56474506
yea, but mu åäö

>>56474561

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Cherry-Kailh-Gateron-Switches-Shaft-Testing-Tool-Trial-Experience-Instrument-Appliance-For-17-Switches-White-Green/32515555254.html

>>56474598
alt+[
alt+'
alt+;

>>56474651
have it, it's pretty good
having this many switches helped me compare orings, caps, etc.

>>56474515
thanks

>>56474651
Damn, that's probably the best tester I've seen.

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>>56474598

>>56474651
>>56474717

Any point to getting the PCB board?

>>56474902
if you want to turn it into a numpad, otherwise not really

>>56474902
switches will feel slightly different once on a pcb.
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=571
therefore the pcb would make them feel more accurate to how they would feel on an actual keyboard compared to just being mounted on a plastic or aluminum plate tester

>>56471328
Screencap. So your whole life revolves around internet discussions. Got it.
>>56472065
A weeb. Not suprising (see above)
>>56472662
kek
Also, feel free to forget it all, or screencap this and keep posting weeb photos to make this more autistic

>>56475380
buttmad about a screencap, get yourself help.

>>56474515

Where can you find DSA metal keycaps then?
Would OEM keycaps really look/feel out of place surrounded by DSA ones?
Never customized my board before

>>56475531
No not really, i am rather amused
I'll stop shitposting this thread, but i can't stop you from posting cancer

>>56475782
>anyone gives a shit

>>56475748
>Where can you find DSA metal keycaps then?
you can't

if you found/made the mold you could have them made but I couldn't imagine how expensive that would cost. DSA caps are made by a company called Signature plastics exclusively
http://www.solutionsinplastic.com/
http://pimpmykeyboard.com/about/

>Would OEM keycaps really look/feel out of place surrounded by DSA ones?
yes they would look (because they are) significantly taller

>>56475947

Ah, thanks
I was browsing there and was initially thinking of going with the Katakana Otaku full set (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dsa-otaku-keyset/) , it says out of stock though
You seem to know a little about the site, do you know when they usually restock things that are out of stock?
Since they custom make them i'm thinking it would be a while

>>56476324
it seems they came in stock a couple weeks ago, so it would probably be a little bit, yeah.
the best thing you could do is sign up for an email notification when they come back in stock

could also request them to come back on massdrop, but i think that's even less likely
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/otaku-kiibodo-pbt-dsa-keycap-set?mode=guest_open

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Nice one /g/, I've finally caved in and been gud goy'd after seeing all the colorful keycaps on these threads all week.

Went for a set of Tai Hao Sunshine keys for my CMstorm quickfire. These ABS caps have glazed over and gone shiny so let's hope these pbt ones hold up better.

>>56455381
I just saw this drop
>https://www.massdrop.com/buy/kc64-mechanical-keyboard

Anyone has more info about that keyboard?

>>56478967
Hmm it looks alright but it uses plastic switches.

>>56479012
as opposed to...rubber?

>>56478967
looks good if you like the layout

>>56479012
>but it uses plastic switches
what did he mean by this?

>>56467452
What keyboard is this?

>>56479462
>Poker 2 with Taihao Miami Keycaps
(geekhack) /index.php?topic=68787.0

>>56479549
why are geekhack urls filtered and what's the point if we're allowed to circumvent it anyway. did people shill their groupbuys or something?

>>56457809
>>56457869
>>56457871
>>56457894
>>56457938
samefagging 2 b FUNNY xDDD

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>>56462141
hey guys im autistic check out my cool keyboard

>>56479599
Easier way around the filter is to put a link break (enter/return) in the URL

>>56480008
pleeb
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68787.0

>>56462207
Where did you buy your caps from?

>>56480247
it took me 12 seconds in google to find them
>>56462279

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Any one here have the orange and black PBT Tai-Haos? How thick are they and how's the texture? I've seen a few pictures and I can't decide if they're thin as paper or decently thick. Also, does the coating come off with isopropyl?

>>56474973
>>56475360
So it's a numpad as well as a tester.
Well isn't that nifty.

>>56481041
https://www.amazon.com/Noppoo-Mechanical-Keyboard-Switch-switch/dp/B0174I8IKY

you could get 20 of these to make the switches consistent and to test noppoo switches as well

>>56481092
>https://www.amazon.com/Noppoo-Mechanical-Keyboard-Switch-switch/dp/B0174I8IKY
50 switches for 40 bucks. Thats a bad deal

>>56481130
20 for $20 and you have basically a numpad with the tester

>>56480549
okay I literally don't know what to google I am dumb now can you tell me?

>>56481092
True, but I've never actually had a mech keyboard before.

I'm just looking for something to test which switch is right for me. If I can get more out of a tester besides just a bunch of a switches mounted to a thing, then hell, I'm up for it.

Especially if the keyboard I choose is tenkeyless, then I have a numpad in case I ever actually need one.

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Should I do it? Looks pretty fucking good.

>>56481348
fuck no, why would you pay that much for a chinkboard?

>>56481150
I'll give you a hint its in the filename

>>56481348
lol corsair keyboards cost that much and are probably better

>>56481348
Love yourself and get the logitech g610 instead, extremely similar but has cherry switches.

>>56481406
corsair g610*

>>56481399
>>56481406
>gaymer trash recommendations
>>>/v/

try ducky, filco, ibm, kul, cherry, realforce instead

>>56481431
I don't think he can afford realforce anon, also cherry keyboards are shit why would you recommend them

>>56481467
"cherry keyboards are shit" we've come full circle folks.

>>56481399
Lol you must be fucking kidding.

>>56481406
>>56481429
>Corsair
I heard they were shit

>>56481513
What's so shit about them? I personally have one and I have absolutely no complaints about it other than the odd spacebar and ctrl key sizes.

>>56481530
the smug elitists ITT will say anything is shit

corsair keyboards are gaudy gaymer oriented commodity shit. the caps are cheap ABS, with only a small sliver of metal on the top case.

nonstandard bottom row makes sure you won't be getting rid of those crap keycaps, too.

throw in the stupid prices, and what more do you need?

>>56481678
most chinkshit isn't better, you have to do your research or you'll get chinked

>>56481530
>>56481612
There is no such thing as a Corsair G610

Newfriend here, i have a tester with cherry mx browns blacks blues and reds, and i'm waiting for clears. Are cherry mx still the only switches you can hope to find in europe or is there something else? Is the ducky one still a good choice? I saw a video about some switches with infrared light. Is that bs?

>>56481992
naw, you should be able to get matias new, or buckling spring, topre, and original alps from ebay.

maybe even some unusual stuff, but most is stupid expensive.

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Is this better?

>>56482121
lol its if your definition of better is I'll take shit over diarrhea then yes its "better".

Just go for a ducky
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=111&sortby=price:asc

>>56481992
>I saw a video about some switches with infrared light. Is that bs?
it's a meme, might be relevant for non-tactile switches, but otherwise they're pointless

>>56482233
>ABS keycaps
anon...

>>56481992
If you are in Europe then definitely check out the deskthority marketplace. If you want something other then cherry switches you can find things like alps, topre, buckling spring, and their respective clones

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>>56482273
they make them with PBT too if you can read past the first page retard

>>56482233
>No backlight

>>56482273
>>56482347
What is that?

>>56482453
there are ducky backlit keyboards tho. If you want rgb then go for the shine 5, if you want a single color then go for the ducky one

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>>56482453
PBT keycaps don't wear out like ABS which will end up like pic related in two weeks of heavy use

>>56482499
>>56482574
I wanted something with Brown switches as well.

>>56482605
then look at the page I linked >>56482233 I see several options depending on what you want

>>56482703
Yea in White

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>people buy these rather than making their own

>>56482347
anon obviously wasn't aware of the keycap material and your link wasn't exactly helpful in that aspect

>>56482605
have you tried them irl? otherwise you might get disappointed with them

>>56482729
So you want a black TKL RGB keyboard with multi layer macro functionality. Best that I can do is this https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1753

>>56482866
>RGB
he might be better off with a single color backlight if that's all he wants especially if you can't fine tune the rgb color

>>56482758
Never.

>>56482866
>>56482947
Yea don't like the RGB look, not my thing.

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>>56482994
Browns aren't the best tactile switch out there. If you want something better then go with clears or greys since they have a bigger tactile bump (pic related). The best tactile switch that's affordable would be a white Alps, which is even more tactile then any cherry switch out there. You can find them on ebay for around 40-50 bucks, but if you don't want used then matias makes alps clones which can also be found on mechanical keyboards.com

>>56483077
Yea but browns I think are in the sweet spot.

>>56483077
>Greys
Dont just suggest a switch youve heard from.
I have tried greys, besides them having 2 versions linear and tactile, they are heavy and not suggested for the average typist.
And rare compared to others btw
Browns are indeed no introduction to tactile. They suck. I too suggest something like clears they are nice.

>>56475380
>A weeb
Far from actually

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but would I be able to make a custom keyboard with only a laser cutter and a water jet? I have a monoprice rn and I'm looking to upgrade.

>>56484135
you can make some parts but especially the keycaps would be hard/costly to do and you still need the key switches and the circuitry

>>56484135
Are you talking about just making a custom case/plate or a whole custom keyboard. Well if its the whole keyboard you also need a controller, some cables, resistors, and some solder to hand wire it together. or you can get a PCB that has everything laid out for you

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>>56484135
Well if you only have those tools at your disposal then its gonna look ugly. I suggest you get an acrylic plate and hollow it out using a milling machine then sandwich it between two metal plates kinda like pic related