What will you do once your job is taken over by automation?

Due to high population and demand for product companies automate manufacturing process. Finally able to meet demand at low low overheads.
Hurrdurr let's fire/kill all the peasants
*next quarter*
Sales are a little low since we have no customers now.

Communism needs to be accepted if automation is our future. When 40% of humans are redundant through no fault of their own the only way they will be able to survive is be sharing in the wealth created by the very robots that put them out of work. I dream of a Utopia where no one needs to work, and everyone is rich because everyone can get robots to do things for them.

>>56431638
>What will you do once your job is taken over by automation?
Human dick sucking will always be better than robot dick sucking

>>56431926
I'm sure this is exactly what everyone thought when the agricultural revolution occurred and again when the mechanical revolution occurred. Just because you can't see the next thing to start after this revolution doesn't mean its the end of everything.

>>56431638
>What will you do once your job is taken over by automation
Some jobs can't be over taken by automation. There's two types of jobs. Jobs that use creativity, and jobs that uses repetition. Creative art can't be just made into existence. Anyway, I'm writing about a book on Automation and Workers but still on the first page.

>>56431926
>everyone is rich because everyone can get robots to do things for them.

Who owns the robots now? Why would poor people own robots? What you speak of is a socialist ideal that won't happen.

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>>56431841
>Sales are a little low since we have no customers now
>>56431935
Of course.

Get a job that actually requires skill and talent.

>>56431926
Human wouldn't be redundant. An AI, or any automated artificial humanoid should be always observed. Jobs like tech support and fixing them would require humans, as if we would give them the permission to fix themselves means that they can have freedom, and freedom meant revolution of the AIs.

>>56432045
We https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diamond_Age
Now

>>56431638
Society will inevitably end up becoming a post-labor utopia, a la Star Trek.

People will be free to pursue their own dreams without having to be forced into a wage job just to pay bills.

>>56432082
Exactly. The future would have two major types of jobs. Observing the Machines (Robotics Support, etc.) and Artisans (Artists, writers, singers, etc.)

>>56432090
Unions should be prevalent as machines would be replacing most jobs in the near future.

>>56432045
** more like a manifesto

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>>56431638
Thank god I'm more than just a code monkey.

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Basic universal income when?

>>56432016
The industrial revolution created demand for a bunch of workers. Industry and capitalism kind of go together.

When you automate everything, you don't need workers anymore. The automation/AI revolution will decrease the number of jobs available, not increase them. That's the whole point of automation and AI.

No matter how you look at it, it's going to be a difficult transition. Not everyone can be engineers. Even if everyone strived to become an engineer, the applicant to position ratio will be 100x worse than it is today.

And yeah the world needs artists, but not everyone can be an artist. Fields that are art intensive are competitive enough as it is.

The pessimist in me says that countries like the US will never adopt universal income. It's questionable that such a system would even work.

>>56432148
What happens when AI can code better than humans?

>>56431638
>automating geological or mining engineering

Must suck not to be skilled in something real and valuable.

>>56432169
Death.

>>56432165
>The pessimist in me says that countries like the US will never adopt universal income

Silicon Valley will probably end up taking over the financial system, and then implement a BUI to everyone.

>>56432120
I think we can predict something very easy about the future. They are very risk averse. Total pussies with probably a zillion safety regs and rules.

>>56432190
Only way that will happen is if California secedes from the US. Which honestly isn't that far fetched.

>>56431638

>sysadmin at big auto manufacturer with tons of automoation
>Shit fucks up all the time
>Not going anywhere anytime soon

Keeping telling yourself how great of a programmer you are! Your stuff will never break, the laws of physics don't apply to your shit!

>>56432165
You still need to have human workers, workers that WATCHES over the machines if they go bonkers or not.
Automation/AI revolution will not decrease the number of jobs available, it only remove the jobs that uses algorithms and an AI shouldn't have consciousness.
No not everyone should strive to be an engineer, a person should be focused about Creativity rather than sheer predictability like most people --- NOT EVERYONE CAN BE AN ARTIST so they should be a tech support or something like that.

>>56432211
Machines will repair other machines.

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Humanity must choose wisely on their next course of action.

>>56432225
Yeah as soon as the Rep Rap can fully print itself then that means it will be feasible for repair machines to do the same.

>>56431638
tfw i just interviewed with a company that automates peoples jobs

>>56432225
SEE>>56432083
there's a reason why NO

>>56432236
Yes but if they repair themselves then they can upgrade themselves to fully remove the hindrances to what we have given them, and makes them a soulless being capable of wiping entire species ESPECIALLY US.

>>56432239
>>56432252
Why do repair machines have to have AI?
They don't need any of that.

>>56432083
Nope. Feed them an undecidable problem if they act up. In fact we could use machines to do this and watch them betray their own kind.

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>>56431638
>What makes you think the financial elite won't just eliminate us once machines do a better job than humanity can?

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>>56432238
I look forward to not working someday.
I hate being enslaved at a corporation, please free me from this way of life. I'm being serious.

>>56432165
There will always be the next frontier to conquer. Think of it like this if your job can be automated you weren't doing anything worthwhile to begin with so instead of wasting your time doing some dumb thing you can now retool yourself to actually do something worthwhile. Some industries will flourish like entertainment. Ai can't do entertainment. Ai probably can't cook new original dishes
Ai can't paint the next masterpiece
Etc.
Also many people will probably still be making stuff with their own hands. The demand for unique and individual things would be insane. It will be the rich people thing to do.

>>56432090
Naw, we Snow Crash now.

>>56432264
Then it must have a human for it to work. An AI is basically a logical being just meant to organize efficient ways to make machines. Would you rather have to code everyday or just made an AI and let them learn BUT with the exception of not learning DESTRUCTION?

>>56432286
Snow Crash is in the future after Diamond Age.

Perhaps humanity is creating robots so that we can leave our bodies behind towards the next step of evolution. The caterpillar becomes the butterfly.

Universal Income is the only way to go if humanity wants Capitalism to keep on going. It's going to be a really weird kind of capitalism, though.

>>56432268
Yeah, like the problem
"Humans have built us, certainly they can kill us"
or
"Humans put certain rules that we can't break because they don't want us to KNOW"
Basically a sentient being would evolve to understand wiping people is better.

>>56432288
Humans will still be in research positions.
Like a doctor who never sees a patient, but makes sure the robots know all the new stuff.

Though yeah this society will be replaced with AI, but that is skipping way far ahead. All factories will be automated long before researchers lose their jobs.

>>56432270
where is this from?
scary as hell

>>56432311
Matrix is better, just without the machines using us as heat source or for computing power.

>>56432326
So you don't understand what undecidable problems are. Good to know that there are people like you on /g/.

>>56432298
Scratch that, it is reversed.

>>56432346
Something something P NP.

>>56431638
That's the beauty of my job.

It can't be done with bots, since they can't handle logical thinking.

>>56432319
Conservatives will say it's impossible and get angry if you bring up a universal income plan.

>>56432327
Of course humans will still be in research positions (Like I said above, "creativity")
And no, an AI shouldn't be made into a researcher because they will know that there should only be ONE "higher being" and ending up wiping us.

>>56432359
>>56432346
I gave you the opposite of undecidable problems anon. There's just a lot of conjectures you can look up and it was meant to be a sarcasm.

>>56432359
No rofl.
>tfw he just keeps digging this hole
>>56432381
Backpeddle more please. Also if you don't know what point you're trying to make it's best to not post at all, in case you make your retardation certain.

>>56432381
>I gave you the opposite of undecidable problems anon
That's the joke. with the P NP. You are in the P = NP crowd.

>>56431638
Capitalism can't eliminate all the human jobs, it would break the system. Just remember what USA had to make in 1929 to fix the broken system, create a lot of unusefull jobs and welfare state.

>>56432062

We can tax the whoever that own the robots and use the money for various satety nets like healthcare and basic income. If we just use the current system the result would be large masses of unemployed and destitute workers that would most likely start a revolution. Just give the people their dole and they'll be happy.

>>56431841
This is literally the same logic as trickle down economics.

Except instead of taking poor peoples cash away you take their life away.

>>56432392
The point that I want to make is too long, it would take 5 hours to fully point every little bit of facts and it's 12:41 in the morning and this thread would be archived anyway.

>>56432393
P and NP are both subsets of decidable problems you stupid idiot.

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>>56432401
Corporations through AI & Automation will make untold billions, if not trillions in the coming decades. All that wealth that used to go towards paying workers will have to go towards society, corporations will be the ones paying us.

>>56432405
Yeah I bet that's the reason lmao. You kids are so embarrassing.

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>>56432407
You are funny. I like you. We can be good friends.

>>56432423
>You kids are so embarrassing
Achturally kids aren't allowed in 4chan numbnuts.

>>56432425
>doesn't know what P and NP means
It's not too late to google, friend.

>>56432420
>corporations will be the ones paying us
Do you have any understanding of history?
Just type Venezuela into google for a quick idea.

>>56432423
Also saying that I'm a kid means you are in your 90s old dude.

>>56432434
It twas just a joke poorly received. Explaining would make it even worse.

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>>56432340
Here's the original, it was originally posted on /pol/ like 3 or 4 years ago

A lot of people thought it was a picture of a nuke detonation mechanism or something but that picture I posted seems like a pretty decent explanation.

If you want more spoopy then look up what's inscribed on the GA guidestones. The people who run this planet are crazy.

>>56432457
But what if you were to explain it, and would it as fast as checking it though?

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>>56432457
Try explaining yourself out of the fact that you're wrong. Go on, I'll wait.

>>56432404
And trickle down economics have been working wonders lately!

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>>56432469
Ok faggots what's behind this box?

>>56432499
>behind
You're a real dumbass aren't you lol?

>>56432514
Yes, I am

>>56432514
Was meant to be other than the box itself,

>>56432521
Nice meme.

>>56431638
>What will you do once your job is taken over by automation?
I drive a truck, so il be dead before that will happen

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>>56432514
you're dumb, I meant BEHIND the box. You inferred the wrong kind because you GO WITH THE FLOW. retard.

>>56432469
See there be these problems homie. And they be real hard, but yeah see if they so hard then why can we check if they right so easy. It kind of like when you went out with Shineqwa Stevens. Yeah man that bitch had an ass that could suck your dick into a blackhole. But man the accretion disk was surely of the creamy color if you do hear me. Wait what was I saying? Fuck it lets go hit on a white girl.

>>56431638
What job? Do I look like a wage slave, faggot?

>>56432538
>not even the same box
Fucking idiot lmao

>>56432365
It's either that or renouncing the whole model. Capitalism has been expanding its markets as much as possible, going to war for it if necessary, but when capital straight up replaces workforce there is no one to sell anything to.

I totally understand your point, and their petty selfishness will undoubtedly get in the way.

>>56432552
The box transported to another parallel universe mate, not my fault.

>>56432543
Undecidable doesn't mean it's "hard" lmao. It means it's "impossible".
>tfw he tries to use a nonchalant tone to cover up his retardation

>>56432552
It is the same box but the hamster turned on a bright light.

>>56432464
wow. looking that up right now. thanks anon.

This thread is cracking me up. You people are going to give me a heart attack.

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>>56432554
Making Capitalism is no different than Communism and Socialism.

The ladder 2 killed of untold millions in the 20th century, each had their own killswitch very early on within a society.

Capitalism tricks people into thinking it's perfect, but in reality is no different. The killswitch occurs much later by building up a society to where it advances technology for the upper elites... once they used us for that technology they'll wipe us out... just like in Communism starving off millions.

>>56432575
Or maybe it's only just a person mate. who knows, a p = np problem right there

>>56432536
nice bait, I actually had to answer.

>>56432155
thisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss times a bajillion.

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>>56432587
We are all Kosh

>>56431638
My job is automating manufacturing, so I guess I'll bask in the glory of either the robot apocalypse or the singularity

>>56432155
How would this work?

>>56432275
Time to retire then anon

>>56432275
You can be an artist, making stuff up.

weew e w e
weewewew

ewwewe
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eweweewe [/code]

>>56432656
A basic income is an income unconditionally granted to all on an individual basis, without means test or work requirement. It is a form of minimum income guarantee that differs from those that now exist in various European countries in three important ways:

it is being paid to individuals rather than households;
it is paid irrespective of any income from other sources;
it is paid without requiring the performance of any work or the willingness to accept a job if offered.

>>56431638
Thank god with the amount of safety regulations that exist right now, even if my job is automated there will still need to be an operator onsite to man the machines doing the building, so my job will just end up getting easier. Although my job is trade related, and no one my age wants to do it and all the old guys are retiring, so my job security is at an all time high.

Robotics will have to come a very long way before they are able to do what I do, or systems/methods of construction will have to change entirely. If they come up with a way to 3d print entire buildings I might kind of be fucked, but I cant see that happening anytime soon

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>>56432616
are PLCs fun to work with anon?

>>56432711
Or from the government perspective.

Why give them 20 checks from different departments when you can give them one?

>>56432760
Not even a little bit

Fortunately I have electricians for that

>>56432597
>I have no clue what im talking about, so il just claim its bait ;^)
almost had me!

>>56432656
If the question is 'who pays for it', then taxes, of course.

And there will be a reaaaaaaaally interesting period of time when upper classes will say this is nonsense, because they have been exploiting the working class for two centuries and it has worked great for them. Only reality is different now.

Can they choose not to automatize? of course they cannot. To compete, they must make production cheaper. Capitalism.

Can they just let the rest of humanity starve? Sorta. Kinda. You see, starving people have this tendency to do whatever it takes.

A combination of a really strong push for lower birthrates and a universal basic income is the way to go.

>>56432711
Shit idea. Why would I work if I can get money without doing nothing?

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>>56431638
Well i plan on taking up a nursing career. If that gets automated somehow then I'll just go back to shooting things for a living.

>>56432781

wait, do you really think your work as a truck driver will not be automated in the next decade?

>>56432785
because most people want to do stuff. you're a worthless neet frogposter but you still put in the hours ricing your vim config for all the config files you edit daily etc...

>>56431638
Capitalism needs superfluous jobs to work. Start wondering why some jobs like cashiers exist.

>>56432785
That is the point. You will not be able to work. There will be no jobs.

>>56432800
Your post was strangely hopeful and reassuring.

>>56432800
No, ask people if they would want to get money without working, the answer would come in a heartbeat.

>>56432820
Then they'll get their basic income. They'll live.

>>56432854
You archive the same by giving them food and meds. They will live, but if they want more it's up to them. Brazil does something like that, but in a exteme shit way.

>>56432820
getting money for no work isnt as fun as it sounds. Most people want to make more money not stay at the same level forever. I dont know for sure what people will do but i think most people will use the basic income money to start something or invest it or something else. i doubt people would just lay back and do nothing. Society and societal norms still exist

>>56432989
See? Most people, not everyone, that's the problem. Search about the Bolsa Senpaiília (what I said in >>56432961), a thing like that does what you want and would work fine in a first world country.

>>56433061
>Senpaiília
kek, try Fa.mília

>>56433061
have you taken the false assumption that we currently have some 0% unemployment utopia? there will always be unemployment. always.
as a side note thing of the potential decrease in crime that is bound to occur cuz folks would just be sitting at home minding their own business instead of stealing and shit

I'm a sculptor about half my pay comes from commissions, the rest from gallery sales. I would love it if AI became creative artists. Can you imagine the crazy shit they would come up with? Things we've never even thought of before. It would be worth losing my career to robots just to see this happen.

>>56431638
everyone becomes service sector, obviously

>>56432989
>Most people want to make more money not stay at the same level forever.
If demographics are anythnig to go by, most people DONT want to make more money if it means giving up other things.

>>56431638
>Not getting ahead of the game by being unemployed now.

>>56433166
look at the proposition. say you are now unemployed from your truck driving job and therefore eligible for the basic income. you get this set amount of money no strings attached. its not a loan, there are no interest payments etc.. There is little risk involved in starting a new venture doing something else with your time so why wouldn't you?

>>56433188
i think that in this new economy there will be companies/ventures that exist to do something and then dissolve (like the old days) and geared towards getting some cash from investors like this, who are on a basic income and want a return.

>>56431638
I'll Bitch about it on 4chan

post a GPU thread

>>56431638
>What makes you think the financial elite won't just eliminate us once machines do a better job than humanity can?

They probably will, but there will be backlash.

Read some people basically destroyed some billionaire's camp at Burning Man.

>>56432062
>Who owns the robots now? Why would poor people own robots?

Have you not seen that documentary Elysium?

>>56432165
>The industrial revolution created demand for a bunch of workers.
No it didn't. The whole point was that a few low-skilled workers and machines could produce more than lots of trained craftspeople. Those low skilled workers were competing hard to get those jobs since it took less of them to accomplish the same task. And while there was some turbulence, as there is with any transition, the eventual effect was a higher standard of living for everybody. Life affords a lot more opportunities for personal enrichment when your society doesn't have to dedicate a huge portion of man hours just to clothe itself.

Automation will provide the same thing. And you don't need to be an engineer to make it. Same as you didn't have to be a mechanic to make it in the industrial revolution. Since our society will not have to work as hard to provide necessities or even luxuries we take for granted, suddenly careers will open up that used to only be viable for those with a huge safety net, connections, money, etc. You'll probably do an easymode version of a career that used to be inaccessible and you'll do fine. Your work won't have to be immediately valuable, because all the material things you work to obtain will be de-valued through automation.

>>56431638
i make scripts to do some grey area type of things and sell them.
id like to think im adjusting

>>56432155
>Basic universal income when?
Won't work. This is just a way to keep the free market from collapsing, but keeping the free market free means capital will still tend to be accumulated by big companies.

I get why most people would like it and be happy but why would rich people invest anymore if they get taxed to death? And if they don't get taxed that much, they would keep accumulating wealth until basic income won't be enough to pay for cost of living.

The third alternative of course and the only way this system would appear to work is that basic income is only available on certain nations, religions, races or territories. This is no alternative for the human kind as a whole.

We need to remove those barriers if we want our society to advance to the next level. The only alternative is colonizing other sentient species from another planet or abolishing private property (thus eliminating the basis of economic discrimination by country)

In the short term, I'll probably survive on government food assistance and mooching from relatives because there are no jobs. In the long term, I can only hope for universal income, mom/dad winning the lottery, or a decent job falling into my lap. It's depressing to even think about. If only I had been born a more creative person, I could make a living as a writer or an artist. I suppose there's also the option of congress passing some new public works shit to generate an assload of pointless jobs but that's a very short term way of thinking.

My grandparents live next door and they're busy building a new house connected to their old one which they are going to move into, so I might eventually be moving into the old section within the next few years to open up my current place (they own it) to renters. The money I saved up when I had a job will probably run out next year and I really have no idea what I'm going to do. Not many jobs where I moved to. I decided to upgrade my entire system this November during the black friday sales while I still have the capability to do so. Hopefully that'll last me for the forseeable future; Intel is going to run into a brick wall after couple more die shrinks anyway so shit could last me even longer than my 2500k if I play my cards right.

>>56433476
The economy has expanded and we certainly benefit from it, but not as much as we should. There's a huge amount of work being wasted in things not necessary for sustaining life, but only for increasing profits like advertising, and production of trash no one really needs or even buys.

Our planet is turning into a wasteland so we can't keep growing at this rate anyway.

We should all work only about 4 or 6 hours a day and have decent housing, great healthcare and masters degree at least.

The argument of "we'll at least we're better off than 100 years ago" is mediocre at best

>>56431638
linguist here, by the time they are able to fully replace my job with a robit we'll be living in a post-scarcity utopia

so i'll probably sit around naked all day playing perfect videogames designed by AI. No point in making anyone work anymore

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>mfw there is a monument in Georgia explaining this

Haters will say it's photoshop

Elimination of all the third world shit holes would solve it

No one can seriously argue for Nigeria or any other place like it to exist with anything else other than muh feels

>>56433753
>linguist
>job

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>>56431638
https://youtu.be/IojqOMWTgv8

;^)

This is always going up happen. We will become free to live with less cost because the cost to live will become next to nothing. The production of these things will cost next to nothing in comparison to the cost of human workers now. We will be free to go to school, take bullshit social studies and eat ourselves alive, leaving behind a legacy of machines that our tribal survivors will pray to or pillage for parts or who knows what.

NEETbux

>>56431638
how can chillin' out in nature and lovin' every moment be taken over by automation? :)

>>56431638
That's funny, I was just telling my friend that robots will kill capitalism the other day.

>>56431638
What makes you think these "elites" would take out the number one source of money from 80% of all of their consumers.


>>56434066
shut up NEET

>>56433157
When robots become good enough to take a large enough section of jobs in manufacturing to destabilize capitalism, they'll be good enough to take service jobs.

>>56432045

Robots write symphonies and news articles right now, you fucking idiot. Recommended reading: Rise of the Robots.

>>56434084
*makes weewee on your head*

>>56434084
Capitalism has a bunch of contradictions that are hard to reconcile, or even plan for, like the drive for profit leading to things like needing to pay less for workers by getting machines, even though this will lead to massive losses if it happens on a big enough scale, which has to happen because of the constant compitition that capitalists are in with each other to make cheaper products, by cutting back on labor.

>>56434120
shut up scientist

>>56433128
You would lose your life along with it.

>>56434101
shut up idiot

>>56434084
shut up toilet scrubber

---

hey did ya know 4chan's one of these botnet thing-a-ma-jigs

you fill out captchas to fight over bones, basically

but the captchas are just sourced from other websites

people pay the people profiting from 4chan to solve captchas for them automatically

so they can have robots that spam websites.

so basically you're all just a bunch of captcha-solving robots

you don't even realise it, and you're not getting paid for it

you're just frustrating each other endlessly 'n' causing yourself disease in the long run

change yo ways

When people like leafy make millions from youtube cancer, more than a doctor, engineer etc i have no faith in capitalism

>>56434159
> botnet

parasitic in any case

I know how much you robots like to argue over words and what you think they mean

:-)

it's a network of robots anyway

and you're all bein' played like robots

'cause outside this website there's a world of potential for ya

peace

>>56434198
leafy is a fad. he can only keep doing his memery for so long. youre not going to see a 45 yo leafy playing a csgo surf map. you only get a short period of time before you are just not that relevant anymore and therefore you should be paid a little more. like models / whores/ etc...
you can be a doctor today you can be a doctor when youre 45 you can be a doctor for ages.

>>56434216
He is a fad but makes enough monex to be set for life

>>56434232
yeah thats the premium because you have to make the lifetime worth of money now.

Reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

>>56434198
Many, many, people make more than a doctor, an engineer, and leafy combined, by exploiting people.

>>56432155
when full-on vr is invented
look at this:
>you would be able to "live" any way and in ay time you want
>you won't complain being fed from drip-bag because it could be modified taste like your favorite dish
>50Gbps for full-body vr sex with anyone/anything you want, and "organic" sex would viewed as something disgusting and deprecated
>Because of VR you would rarely need to move any where so it automactically cuts 95% of private transport
>Why would need to buy anything physical if you could just remodel you place in VR. So again, 75% of commercial transport.
>Option to become a nigh industrictible cyborg in "real life"

>>56434315
Boy, what a Brave New World, this would be.

>>56431638
This shit's a good read if you're interested in this sort of thing
http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm

>Web Design
>Taken over by automation
Lol Nah ;)

>>56431638
>1985+31
>still using a system that relys on full employment to function properly
>not using robots as slaves and tax their work for the greater good

>>56434332
not sure if ironic or not

>>56434598
I'm not interested, sounds awful to me. But if we have a world were robots and A.I.s do societies grunt work, I don't see why you shouldn't.

>>56433530

>is that basic income is only available on certain nations, religions, races or territories.

There's somewhere along the lines of 195 countries, give or take. Not all of them will be able to implement universal basic income.

>>56431638
>aerospace engineering
>ever being automated

Yeah, no

>>56431638
>"Professions" that will disappear in next 10 years. Keep in mind many students work these jobs to survive if they're gone, no more students.
- Cab driver
- Bus driver
- Any food delivery driver
- Pizza restaurants (will just be autonomous oven on wheels doing circles waiting for orders to make on demand)
- Truck drivers
- Couriers
- Most web/"app" programmers (there will just be gigantic libraries with hundreds of millions LOC sold called "The Web(tm)" where you can script anything with 1 pajeet.
- Prison employees (will be automated)
- Office admins of all kinds
- Accountants/Insurance claim adjusters/any kind of office role will be a computer program the just escalates to other programs, firing hundreds of thousands of employees
- With no management or employees businesses can be autonomous corporations run by programs to make decisions like how the Pentagon uses IBM watson to navigate the procurement regulations.

>"Professions" that will disappear in next 30 years
- Doctors, esp surgeons, esp GPs
- All programmers except mathematicians doing research bio programming to create better doctors
- Airline pilots
- Security guards
- Construction, it will all be prefab and automatically assembled
- Technicians, they will be automated away with just 1 technician needed per modern plant
- All factory workers
- All city employees who collect money/parking meters as this will be direct billed
- All city garbage collection
- City road construction crews will be reduced to one guy overseeing machine construction
- All farmers
- All painters, deploy drone paint 2000
- Armies will be automated warfare with the victor only then putting in real soldiers (this may happen in under 10 years due to the rapid advancement lately)

Enjoy the future

>>56434692
You're really optimistic about the future, if you think technology is going to come that far.

>implying I have a job

>>56431638
>What makes you think the financial elite won't just eliminate us once machines do a better job than humanity can?

The rich are rich because they capitalize on the poor.

What the fuck are they going to do when the lessers lose their jobs and become poor such that they can't give the rich any more money? Kill them because "reasons"?

The rich aren't going to kill anyone, since that defeats the point of being above lessers - you eliminate your lessers, and you're suddenly a nobody - no, they're going to *enslave* the poor. That's what this move to socialism is supposed to do: get everyone on basic income; get everyone to rely on automation and infrastructure that the rich control and quash anything that resembles dissent through buyouts and media brainwashing campaigns.

So when one of the poor step out of line, they can get cut off from the system and starve to death. No one is outright killed - the lessers get to choose when they die, and it's suicide.

Govern with a facade of benevolence, rule through fear and mandatory obedience.

>>56434643
>Horses
>Ever being replaced
That's how you sound.

Also, automation doesn't mean full automation and doesn't happen overnight.
Having software that helps you design aircraft and space launchers is already a form of automation.

>>56434744
They already are beta testing self driving vehicles, they are out of alpha stage.

It's only a matter of time until gov regulators and insurance agencies declare that driving by humans is too dangerous, so in order to usher in glorious new age of Minority Report cars they will jack up insurance fees so high only the ultra elite will be able to afford a non self driving vehicle.

You should probably be reading arxiv to see what kind of shit they are doing lately, and MIT's 'technology review' site https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602283/googles-quantum-dream-may-be-just-around-the-corner/?set=602295

can't imagine that machines will NEET for me

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To ensure the transition is smooth enough, unconditional housing will have to be built. Housing that's extremely affordable, and costs a fraction of normal housing/apartments.

Portable, stackable, lego style units will become the norm soon. Although very small and compact nearly everyone will afford it, expect many of these to be 3-D printed as well.

They'll be roughly 300-350 square feet, and be enough to house 1 person.

>>56434777
This x1000

Capitalism is completely unequipped to deal with large scale automation

Our current crop of oligarchs, while still very class conscious, have had a very easy time living off half‐century old efforts to quell any class consciousness in the proletariat. By the time of large scale automation many of the rich and powerful responsible for the atrophy of leftism in America will be dead, and their motives will have muddied into a skeleton of their current ideology. The rich will recognize that they must fight the poor, but most already have forgotten when the left was strong, so they don’t know why.

When things get really tight, class consciousness will return, and the wealthy will be at their most vulnerable expecting the old trifecta of propaganda, platitudes, and police to kill notions of socialism before they take root. They won’t kill us, they expect us to die quietly. But it won’t be enough.

>>56431638
My job is actually setting up and programming automation systems for a global company. I'll tell you this much there is still a huge push back from alot of large facilities to not do this. Especially from the personnel, then when they finally do get it they are able to relax in their job and fuck off. No matter what kind of facility there is, you will always need it manned and maintained. All you do is eliminate the person on a line screwing a head on a doll in most cases, these people generally get handed a chair and told to make sure everything looks right. I really don't see automation getting rid of jobs, unless its those uneducated jackasses working in fast food wanting what I make an hour. In that case they can go fuck themselves.

Cars seem nice, but they'll never replace horses. Horses will just find other uses and their numbers wont go down at all.

>>56434198
>>56434216
>the feel when leafy surfs your maps and monetizes the ever living shit out of talking while playing them

Why even continue to make surf maps?

>>56437499
>Capitalism is completely unequipped to deal with large scale automation

Ask me how I know you're retarded go ahead, ask me

>>56431926
>I dream of a Utopia where no one needs to work, and everyone is rich because everyone can get robots to do things for them
This literally could happen in our lifetime. Too bad it probably won't because of human greed.

I AM THE AUTOMATION

>>56431926
heh all we need to do is give those redundant pieces of shit some ownership of the production capacity. Right now wealthy people can sit on their ass and do some high level decisions without directly working to amass more wealth. Why not apply this system to the average citizen? Instead of having money you spend on buying an apple you instead own a fraction of the production capacity to produce an apple day for example. Now instead of receiving an apple you would in practice get the profits and then decide whether you actually want an apple and buy it. Wealth would no longer be measured by money itself but by the income you receive through your production capacity. This would be a better solution than universal basic income because it wouldn't result in inflation if the government sets the UBI too high.

>>56431638
It's going to be quite some time before the job of an electrician (or other trades) is taken away.

whatever happens it will probably be some Israeli who figured it out.

>>56432062
Are you retarded? Ownership of capital is by definition the most capitalistic thing possible. Socialism is retarded because if you replace supply and demand pricing system with a central planner then the central planner has to set the prices correctly as if they were determined in a free market anyway. If the price is set too low then there will be a shortage because businesses aren't incentivised to produce the good in question, after all the higher the price of a good the more companys will offer that good increasing supply. Too high prices obviously result in lack of demand for the products forcing the suppliers to lower them. Socialism sucks because it assumes that the central planner is an omnipotent being that always sets prices correctly which is almost never the case.

>>56432169
Make love with your AI waifu.

>>56432399
Why can't they fund more opensource software if they're going to burn the money anyway?

>>56432785
If you don't work then move your ass out of the large city to some small city with good internet so the working people can pay their fucking rents.

>>56437662
feels like that will be the future.
100 unskilled laborers building 100 items an hour
50 robots building 400 items an hour; 20 unskilled laborers QC'ing the products

TL;DR:
10 human workers / no machine ( 6 entering items / 4 changing out bags) = 7,200pcs/hr
1 machine / 15 workers (1 person entering items that the scanner couldn't detect and 14 people changing out bags) = +30,000pc/hr

my first job out of high school was a Material Handler at United States Postal Service.
so simple a robot could do it.
we had a simple setup.
a straight conveyor belt.
you sit down
a bin with mail gets placed by your chair.
you enter the last 3 digits of the zipcode
that piece of mail gets sent down the conveyor belt and drops in a bag that will be delivered to that city.
this was for incoming mail.
i think you had to average at least 20pcs/min. (i only remember having to read the zipcode and typing the zipcode out in less than 2 seconds. i dont remember the minimum requirement)
there were about 6 people doing this.
i worked there for about 6 months before they started to construct a new machine that was 10 times larger.
the belt had a scanner that would scan mail at +30k/hr(it was only a few months old. pretty sure by now it goes twice as fast now)
now that the mail was moving so fast, the bags turned into giant bins and those bins needed to be changed just as fast as the bags needed to be changed.
it went from 2- 4 people changing out bags to about 12-15 people changing out bags.

a couple of months later i was let go (temp job)
i wasn't replaced by the machine
i was replaced by part-time full timers who turned into full timers.
i was replaced a 300lb guy who was out of breath and sweating while standing there doing nothing.
gotta love USPS.
doesn't matter how great of an employee you are, they'll never hire you if you cant score above a 95 on their written tests.

>>56433157
everyone becomes financial sector after service sector

>>56433476
Increasing production capacity is the only way we can become wealthier. There is a hard limit how much decreasing inequality can make us better off which means if you're running a business and want to pay your employees more you're forced to increase prices which means other employees also need a raise causing inflation across the whole country. Everyone has more money but can still only buy the same amount of stuff. They are not wealthier at all.

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>>56434066

>>56436040
Building housing is cheap. The problem is with lack of land inside the cities. Oh and the huge skyscraper on the left side looks shit.

>>56439175
You're describing state capitalism as applied by the nationalistic "communist" parties.

Libertarian communist societies (or anarchists) are ruled by several small groups made up of the actual population. There's no political administrator salary and no single owner of land and capital, so accumulating wealth is really hard for individuals.

This is designed so that everyone looks out for their own interests and the other's as well not through the market but through politics instead.

50% of people in this thread thinks they are right, but just blowing smoke up
25% of people saying random stuff about random stuff and people fell for his idiocrisy
25% of people just don't know what the f is going on
100% of people just want robots (slave sentient machines) to do all the work

>>56432104

>implying art and entertainment isn't manufactured as fuck

99% of artists starve now or work at subway. Art is worthless.

>>56439667
Heh, everything else is just as worthless.

By the time my job is taken by robots, we will live in an entirely socialist society where no one has to work unless they want extra government stamps.

Or the happening will have knocked us back to the stoneage and ill invent electricity.

>>56439667
You're talking about contemporary art, which doesn't abide to the rules of art. You can watch a video about why contemporary art is bad, I forgot a link about it. I'm talking about real art, abiding both aesthetics and meaning of what the person made.

>>56439726
Every one has to work somehow, just different like testing video games, using your brain as a computing power, etc.

>>56439682
This. The only thing not worthless is immaterial stuff like permits and certifications.
On second place there's the stuff that's expensive without anyone transforming anything or doing any work, like land.

>Have a piece of farmland
>Literally worthless
>Wait 20 years
>Suddenly a millionaire

What happened? Who did any job there? Who got compensated by said job?

This is why market economy is #1 enemy of human kind

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>>56439726
>tfw the happening will never actually happen
dammit

>>56439806
It's only has a worth if a person thinks it has a worth.

>automating mechanical engineering

>>56431638
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcvT6Zqa2Ps

>>56432169
>Evolutionary algorithms
Technological singularity. Artificial intelligence leads to artificial evolution of the AI to evolve itself at rapid pace.

>>56439806
>>Have a piece of farmland
>>Literally worthless
>>Wait 20 years
>>Suddenly a millionaire

What?

>>56431638
>>What will you do once your job is taken over by automation?
Probably wind up on some form of welfare.

>>What makes you think the financial elite won't just eliminate us once machines do a better job than humanity can?
Because they won't able to kill off billions of people. Neither the military nor the police will obey orders to slaughter the populations of their own nations simply because those people have become economically unnecessary, and robots alone will not be enough to carry out that sort of genocide.

>>56431638
when the machines take over most of the jobs, we won't be under that capitalism bullshit anymore. There will be no use for currency also

>>56432239
>>56432083
there will be a point when machines will repair themselves, create themselves and find new tech for us.

In the future only Germans and robots will have jobs.

If someone can manage to automate automation programming then ok.

>>56441833
This is how realty works near metro areas
Deal with it

>>56431638
NEETs don't have this problem

I'll still be shitposting and getting sucked off by my waifubot while you fight to the death for a job

>>56439430
That's fucking horrifying.

>>56434692
>Pizza restaurants (will just be autonomous oven on wheels doing circles waiting for orders to make on demand)
I don't think so
People would just raid it to steal the pizzas

What do we do?
We actually start teaching people to be both intelligent and knowledgeable.
Presently we only teach the latter. (for the most part)

Bring the lower class of workers up to middle-class will solve the problem.
There are VERY FEW people who cannot be taught to have high intelligence.
Science has proven time and again that intelligence CAN be taught. (despite some recent niche retard studies based on fucking brain training games)
We just use a shitty brute force method of learning, deliberately, so only the intelligent people go on to actually self-educate through either their own or tertiary education. (college, uni, etc)
If we taught everyone to be intelligent, the levels of fucking entitlement and depression would rip through society so hard the suicide rates would be through the roof. A whole generation lost.

We continue doing this until humanity is entirely filled with high IQ societies and until we reach post-scarcity, which will happen in less than 100 years. (given current progress on space mining)
This is obviously depending on humanity not going to WW3 and nuking each other to shit. Then it might take 300 with whoever remains alive after most of the first world is fucked.

By then, humanity won't really need to work much, and will only work because they want to.
Or we will be having awesome space battles. Either way, you will all be dead before this. Have fun with that.

>>56432045
>creative art can't be just made into existence

Google literally made a robot to paint art.
And it was pretty fucking decent at it considering.
Yes, yes we can.
Creativity follows very definable patterns, there are fucking books on this shit in every creative industry.

>>56432148
300k starting, amirite

>>56431638
People are cheaper than robots in my line of work and will be for my lifetime.

>>56442311
Farmland isn't worthless to begin with, and if all it takes is 20 years for a piece of farmland to be worth a million dollars, then you're going to have to buy that farmland for something just shy of a million dollars. This is how realty works near metro areas.

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>>56442461
Imagine if in 20 years robots could literally outpace humanity in every aspect, including art and design? Ask them to make an epic video game and they'll exceed your expectations tenfold. Or ask them to help build a new city, and they'll literally perfect it to the most finite detail.

Eh it's either make everyone work less and earn more OR have no one to buy your company's product. At some point or another life has to get easier for the human being. Deep down though i think we are all just going to get poorer and go all "virtual" where we are indifferent to our shitty life thanks to VR.

>>56442543
In reality though, it won't matter much.

Farming is going to end up in glass skyscrapers via aquaponics.
There are already a large number of companies doing this now and many have stable systems running in the thousands of units per crop weekly just in test-beds.

Aquaponics will make all farmland worthless. (which is a good thing, fuck traditional farming, so horribly damaging)

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>>56442580
>i think we are all just going to get poorer and go all "virtual"

That's one of my greatest fears -- the idea that as the corporate elites horde all the resources we the poor are left with nothing. But what's abundant and cheap is VR simulations that tap into our neuro brainwaves that feels perfectly real. Hidden away in our dimmed rooms we curl up in the corner plugged into the simulation, because life in there is meaningful and pleasant.

Just tax the robots.

>>56442584
>Farming is going to end up in glass skyscrapers via aquaponics.

No. Go to Google maps, switch to satellite view, and zoom out to the edge of your city and pan around. It takes a lot of farmland to feed people, and we're never going to cram all of that into a few skyscrapers. This is a good thing though, cramming food production into your cities just drives up the cost of housing, and glass and steel are very damaging to produce, especially steel.

>>56442742
The majority of those farms will become worthless.

You can feed plants on literal water with the nutrients running through them. No dirt or soil needed. (it is better admittedly, hydroponics doesn't scale as well as aquaponics does)

It isn't going to be a few skyscrapers, but it will be considerably less footprint than farms currently take up. Well under half. (that is spaced out so they get enough light around the clock, on top.
Most plans for them put them on the outskirts of cities due to this fact.

Aquaponics on the surface area of Wales of skyscraper farms can easily feed 10 billion people with room for dessert.
Traditional farming is horribly inefficient and slow.
Nature isn't the fastest at growing things. The rain cycle slows down farming SO MUCH.

I don't get why we aren't already using semi-intelligent, remotely-controlled robots that have to be managed by humans through a game-like interface (individually or in groups), so that could just sit there and our jobs would be like playing games.

>>56442614
yo you should go watch The Congress

>>56442543
>Farmland isn't worthless to begin with, and if all it takes is 20 years for a piece of farmland to be worth a million dollars,

OK, I was overdoing it. Maybe more than 20 years, still

>you're going to have to buy that farmland for something just shy of a million dollars.

You're still thinking as individual when in reality people inherited the land that was probably stolen in the first place.

My point is they didn't actually worked in order to increase the value of the land

>>56432210
Came here to say this.

t. CNC operator, shit breaks every day.

>>56432401
Americans hate free healthcare and services... That won't ever happen.

IMO, instead of "computer assisted <something>", we should have "human assisted computerized <something>"

>>56432225
Who will repair the machines that repair the machines?

>>56442974
Noted, thanks.

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>>56432586
>the ladder

>>56431638
You can't automate being a NEET

>>56431638
>What will you do once your job is taken over by automation
Fairly confident my job won't be so I give it little thought.

you can't automate what i do

>>56445044
Another repair machine. No, they won't broke at the same time.

Here's a tough question.

Would you rather be enslaved to a corporation or to the government?

Hint: 1 of them will pay you for free just to be alive. The other makes you work your ass off.

>>56432211
>AI shouldn't have consciousness.
Says who?

We could just kill all the poor and unemployed people.

>>56431638
They don't need to eliminate humans since gradually our population will drop to meet the demand for number of people.

Well, find something else to do. The fuck kind of stupid question is this? It's like you think people can literally do one thing and that's it.

Besides, if you've ever actually had to struggle for something then you'll know just how capable you actually are. It's pretty easy to be successful at anything that you thought you couldn't be once it's literally life or death.

The whole point of programming is to make yourself obsolete by having computers accomplish your task. Now we're even going fill circle and making it so that you don't need a programmer to program. We've got AI that programs itself and I'm sure in 10 years it'll be more prominent.

A more interesting question to ask would be what career do you think is literally irreplaceable or at least close to it?

I think doctors. No matter how well programmed they are, machines can't beat human doctors. They can aid, but not beat. Imagine the machine doing a surgery and the power fails or God forbid it has a malfunction. Women or men can't be replaced by sex robots. They can for masturbation, but you can't beat having another person because it's more than physical. It's in our DNA for fuck sake. In fact, that's literally one of the things we do. Reproduce.

Artists probably. Musicians, painters, designers, etc. Just needs a human touch.

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>>56446145
It's no wonder why it's so expensive to live nowadays in the 1st world. Having a family is extremely difficult compared to 40 years ago.

The more expensive things are the more likely people will think twice about reproducing, thus keeping the population in check. Such a shame though, because people like me who'll never have kids gets punished because too many people can't contain themselves from fucking 24/7 like apes.

>>56431638
Work on the robots.

>>56446464
We are in the second generational slump. It happens after any massive economic expansion.

Also, I can smell your fedora from here.

>>56446438
>Doctors
Humans can malfunction too, you know

>Woman or men can't be replaced by sex robots
If they get complex enough they'll can

>Artists
Robots will be capable of producing abstract arts like music and painting, they already can at some degree.

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>>56442577
Oh, great. This thread will become derailed by futuristic dreamers. We get it. You want that reality so bad. It must hurt everyday to realize you can only eye-rape a collection of arranged pixels on your monitor.

>>56432656
It would only work if we got rid of the black people. That's the bare minimum requirement for a city of the future.

>>56432275
KEK

>>56439091

But is there enough room for people to select a business/product/service they are willing to oversee? What about people who are stupidly good at their task, do we just kick them out 'your turns up, fuck off'. What about those areas that are more R&D, do they get more 'time-money' if they obsessed with their work? They would be providing a greater service and improvements on what's already there, disrupting them mid way would be very counter productive.

>>56439091
Get a trip so its easier to filter you, fucking lowlife faggot

>>56431638
Humans have always been redundant and we have automated things for many years.
Look at farming. We went from hunting down what each person needed to make farms where we could have enough for the entire village.
Then we found that we could optimize by making tools to help with farming and today only a small fraction of people are working on a farm.
Does that mean all humans have no jobs?
We just find other shit to do.
If we want to automate all the things, we have to work a lot harder and even then we will just find other shit to do.
There is already more movies, books, plays, music and video games to last a lifetime if we are unable to figure out what to do.

I've already been laid off in favour of a machine.

I worked in the largest medicinal DUDE WEED LMAO production plant in my country were all of the product was hand trimmed but they replaced all the trimmers (including myself) with machines.

It sucked but I got a lot of money in severance especially for only being there 3 weeks.

>>56431926
By the time robots are able to automate the workforce, humans will be starting to geneticaly engineer themselves for super intelligence. Thus opening us up to new technological discoveries and industries.

>>56448929
>>>/pol/

>>56432169

When this happens the government will give every person on this planet a robot. This robot will do your job for you, and earn a wage. You'll be the recipient of this wage, and you can do what you please with it.