>mp3 is gonna die guise >aac is gonna die lol >vorbis

>>56404690
Because the industry is a bunch of troglodytes that aren't interested in using better tools or improving their products, keeping with the times or generally anything else that can be considered progressive and smart.

The IT industry is the worst example of how IT should be.

>>56404690
Define "few". Many apps support it fine, even in Android.
>No support in iOS
Stick to your proprietary AAC bullshit. Opus is too good for your non-free platform.

>>56404690
>Why are open source codecs such failures at serving the mass market?
Because autismos only want flac and normies only know mp3

Opus works on my 2013 moto g, blame Apple for being cunts.

>>56404690
>Opus isn't even being widely deployed

How would you even know?
Whatsapp uses it and it's one of the most used applications in the world.

>>56405399
>Whatsapp uses it and it's one of the most used applications in the world.
Pretty much every VoIP anything out there uses Opus nowadays, only a few apps from MPEG-LA members are sticking to LC-AAC
>>56404690
Vorbis is open source and is arguably the most widely used audio codec thanks to Spotify

>>56405539
>Pretty much every VoIP anything out there uses Opus nowadays

Wrong. Signal doesn't. Most VOIP apps don't

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>>56404690
It'll just be flac with mp3 fallback

Open source audio is winning the market with FLAC, not with vorbis/opus.

(>>>/y/ou)
Nah, bro.
If all the normies using shit means it's good, then that makes windows good.

What's wrong with vorbis again?

>>56405778
The Marlinfaggot abandoned app doesn't support Opus? wew lad who would had thought
>>56405853
Nowadays nothing, Opus just beats it in everything while being low latency
Vorbis has too much algorithmic latency for real time usage

>>56405899
>Nowadays nothing,
except for the fact that it has no 44.1khz support?

>>56405853
Vorbis has better VBR than opus, giving smaller filesizes and has 44.1KHz support. opus is mostly constrained to CBR even with its VBR mode

Opus isn't intended for music anyway, it's intended for voice and streaming

>>56404690
>Vorbis is over
Said who?
OGG is supported by everything worth using.

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I just learned that Apple products don't support vorbis.

Is this a joke?

>>56406018
what the fuck is vorbis

>>56405960
>Vorbis has better VBR than opus, giving smaller filesizes

I know what you're trying to say, but what matters is file size for a given quality, and Opus is generally better.

But Vorbis has better gapless support and 44.1k, so it's not unreasonable to use it for music.

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>>56406018
>Apple products

>>56406036
I don't get it, what was he trying to say? How can very vorbis produce "smaller files" if its not as efficient as opus?

>>56406031
you probably know it as ogg, noob

Opus or ogg? Can anyone give an example of opus with mono 24-32kbps?

>>56404690
>Why are open source audio codecs such failures at serving the mass market?
Because normies don't give a fuck about audio quality. They just download MP3s from YouTube. They wouldn't use anything else because they don't know anything else.

teamspeak, discord, etc all use opus

>>56404690
wtf mp3 is free faggot. and nobody cares about a 10% filesize saving.

>>56406606
>mp3 is free
Not free as in freedom
>nobody cares about a 10% filesize saving
It's much, much more than just 10%

>>56406625
>Not free as in freedom
yes it is.

oh you mean you live in retarded jurisdiction where it isnt? not my problem.

>>56406625
>It's much, much more than just 10%
12% o wow.

>>56406634
It's often more than 50% smaller

>>56404690
>All my music is .mp3
>lol wtf even is an opus
My music is all opus. Why is mp3 so shit?

>>56406652
3MB or 6MB, i dont care. compatibility is much more important to me.

You faggots think they still use mp3?
Its all aac now, plus using flac since it's just wasted bandwidth

>>56406680
is aac patent encumbered? outside of the us as well?

>>56406664
>i dont care
Okay. I don't care that you don't care. New formats make a difference.

>>56406694
>New formats make a difference.
mp3 is battlehardened and well supported. you choose a niche fine, nobody cares.

>>56406707
>I live in the past
New, more efficient formats like AAC are also already well supported.

>>56406692
I don't know, pretty much most websites use it

>>56406721
>New, more efficient formats like AAC are also already well supported.
sure, dont mind that one.

but releases are all mp3 or flac, because nobody cares about other formats.

>>56406654
This, mp3 is obsolete bloated legacy shit.

>muh compatibility
It stopped being an argument in 2015

>>56406759
>It stopped being an argument in 2015

le android botsumer faec

>>56406744
You can get aac anywhere

>>56405930
44.1kHz is deprecated.

Its was only brought into use because of Audio Cd's

>>56406765
what

Even a rockboxed player from 2009 runs opus

>>56406781
You are a fucking retard, do you not know anything about sampling rates?

44.1khz reaches the limit of human hearing

Ease of use and compatibility > Muh efficiency

If Tyrone can't play his nigging music on his new dope phone because it no longer supports MP3 he go to be mad and tell all his homies not to buy it. Transcode? Wat da fuck is dat? I ain't using no transvestite fone senpai.

>>56404690
im sure that mp3 will never die. its just too popular to die.

>>56406812
Do you not know how about cutoff filters you mong?

I have been using AAC for all of my audio files for a long time. Is there a real reason why I should not and what do you recommend instead. Seems to work pretty much on every device I have.

What for speech?
What for recorded radio programs?
What for music ripped from a CD?

>>56407120
Are you an autistic neckbeard that cares about MUH FREEDOM?

If not, then no

>>56407001
AAC does not have a cutoff filter

>>56407120
If compatibiltiy is not a huge issue, try Opus. Other than that AAC is a good mix of compatibility and efficiency. Use AAC if you use your audio files on multiple devices.

Give me one reason not to use FLAC for music files.

Poorfags with no storage need not apply

>>56407210
Do you carry a bottle of sugar pills wherever you go?

>>56407210
Placebo

>>56406812
Yeah, it does, and Opus has a cutoff at 20KHz at all bitrates.

>>56407120
Speech: Opus is a lot better
Music: Opus at low bitrates isn't harsh like the other codecs, some songs in AAC sound muffled at 128kbps, Opus doesn't have that problem.

>>56407210
To save space when you put music in a device that isn't your desktop PC.

>>56404690
>>56407251
>flac is gonna die guise

>>56407231
>To save space when you put music on a device that isn't your desktop PC

Thats when you convert to lossy, FLAC is good for archiving.

>>56407227
>>56407228
If you could choose whether to listen to the original source media or a compressed and digitally altered version of it, which would you pick?

File size does not matter in 2016. Compression is only useful for streaming media.

>>56407269
You know what's better for archiving? AAC.
No conversion to lossy required since you're already there.

>>56407305
>The year is 202X, mp3 is on it's final legs, due to the commercial onslaught of SooperOPUS, AAC is just a distant memory of the past, and the last device to use it is in the useum of Outmoded Technology

>Somewhere an Anon converts lossy to lossy, and it kills him a bit inside.

>>56406368
A song that benefits from a higher bitrate will get a smaller file with Vorbis than Opus, especially if the song has quiet parts that would be better compressed with a better VBR implementation.

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https://wiki.xiph.org/Games_that_use_Vorbis

and that's not an exhaustive list desu

even the japs (pic related) realised that they can get better compression for free with Vorbis

>>56407370
>removing support for all old formats in only one decade from now

good post desu senpai

>>56407370
2020-2030 will be the final shift to lossless and the replacement of lossy, with the availability of 8TB phones, 50TB hard drives. Thanks to FLAC, we can see open formats rule audio.

>>56407413
>buy PS3 game
>50GB disc
>lossy audio

God damn it, even PS2 games had lossless audio.

>>56407370
Sure, like nothing can play MPEG2 and AC3 anymore.

>>56407451
It could be that they just copied the vita game's copyright crap while actually including lossless on the disc. But yeah they probably didn't...

>>56407434
Converting to lossless audio before lossless video would be retarded.
Any bitrate spent on placebo audio when there's still real quality gains to be made elsewhere is a complete and utter waste.

>>56407492
Not since the 2020 election when the first robot-communist gets sworn into office, and declares proprietary software illegal

ITT: anons who are too poor to afford proper HDD storages for flac files

>>56407434
>tfw I live in Venezuela and people can't afford 2TB HDDs, new PCs or phones over $100

end of support for old technology is going to kill us

fucking americans use big-ass files like the one in this post >>56407176 without giving a shit about how much space he wasted and how much quality he lost by converting it to gif instead of a webm

>>56404690
Because you can't license something open source with intention to make money off it.

What bitrate is good for transcoding my music to opus for streaming? 128kbps or 96kbps?

>>56407744
Most streams for any format don't go under 128kbps or over 128kbps. Heads it's 128kbps, tails it's 96kbps.

>>56407744
If your network can handle it, 128k. There's a decent perceivable quality improvement.

>>56406652
http://soundexpert.org/encoders-128-kbps

>>56408001
>Soundexpert

Audible kek

>>56406787
Mp3 enjoys hardware decoding tho

>>56408016
Bring something else

>>56407794
Why? I know a radio thats brodcasting 320kbps mp3

FLAC uses less CPU to decode than mp3, ogg, opus, anything you can name. It doesn't even need hardware decoding. I encode FLAC for my phone to save battery life.

>>56408089
No idea, but it's true.

>>56408113
Reading storage uses battery too.

>>56408089
I know a radio that's broadcasting FLAC. https://chiru.no:8081/stream.flac It plays in Firefox and Edge even

>>56408113
>saving 0.4% over the course of an entire battery cycle
not turning your screen on one second for an entire cycle saves you more battery

>>56408137
>0.4
not this shit again

>>56407794
>>56407926

This is just for personal listening so either bitrate is fine on my network. If I go with 96kbps, then file sizes can be nearly 25% smaller which will help with my mobile data cap. Guess I'll just test both out.

mp3 will never die

>>56409574
Mp3 won't die before every lossy codec is dead and replaced by FLAC.

>>56404690

mp3 and jpeg just fucking werk

no need to replace them with meme freetard codecs

>>56406506
https://my.mixtape.moe/fysdnw.opus

>>56406506
https://my.mixtape.moe/kldawi.opus

>>56406606
MP3, or rather ID3, doesn't support multi-dimensional tags.
Also MP3 isn't gapless by nature.

What program should I use to bulk convert everything to opus?

more opus files

https://my.mixtape.moe/yrokwb.opus
https://my.mixtape.moe/gwxgpv.opus
https://my.mixtape.moe/dzzgny.opus
https://my.mixtape.moe/xoivjw.opus
https://my.mixtape.moe/vpeclx.opus

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>>56406018
>I just learned that Apple products don't support vorbis.
Apple also doesn't support FLAC and MKV which is even more ridiculous.

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>>56409615
>jpeg just werk
OK, that was a good one

>>56406018
>Apple products
>Supporting free and open standards

This is the same company who sells phones that have no usb.

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>>56409802
Nice try fucknugget,
My>>56409749 file is converted from lossess to 32kbps downmixed to mono.

>>56410263
I thought 6kbit was enough for opus, have another one then:

https://my.mixtape.moe/veekuy.opus

>>56405816
>FLAC will eventually replace MP3
Just like PNG will replace jpeg?
Are they legitimately retarded?

>34 people fell for this blatant bait

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>>56404690
>tfw all my music is in 128kbps VBR Opus
>tfw putting 5 days worth of crystal clear audio on my phone's 8GB microSD card

Uploaded more opus files

https://my.mixtape.moe/aghiod.opus
https://my.mixtape.moe/ycjcfb.opus
https://my.mixtape.moe/whfwei.opus

>>56410296
Kek,It sounds interesting this one

Have a 6kbps one

https://my.mixtape.moe/pgmurh.opus

https://my.mixtape.moe/wwtfof.opus

https://my.mixtape.moe/rahhel.opus
https://my.mixtape.moe/ztsfnd.opus
https://my.mixtape.moe/xkkpee.opus
https://my.mixtape.moe/wavjzs.opus
https://my.mixtape.moe/zlklpg.opus

https://my.mixtape.moe/rgidba.opus

>>56410359
>4kbps
kek

At 64kbps, it's surprisingly good.

https://my.mixtape.moe/khdslh.opus

>>56410337
mah nigga

>>56410313
PNG is actually more likely to replace JPEG than FLAC is likely to replace MP3