/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

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I'm interested in this Thinkpad. It is in mint condition, except that sticker spot visible on the photo. Can it be removed?

>>56398208
rubbing some hand sanitizer on the back for about 30 minutes, then just kinda using it for a week and the spot should be completely gone

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I got my thinkpad in the mail about a week ago and opened up the bios to be greeted by a Computrace warning. Am I boned? The Thinkwiki doesn't even have a page on it.

Also, I've found an option for "Intel AT Module" but I can't find anything on the internet about it. Is it safe to just disable it?

>>56398382
Call the Computrace people and get them to take it off
On top of that, send a complaint to eBay and PayPal stating that the seller sold you an item that is listed as stolen or missing, and demand a refund. You can possibly keep the machine AND get your money back

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>>56398208
The matte finish hasn't been worn of there because there used to be a sticker.
It will bother you, but it'll be like that for a long time.
Just like removing a Windows XP sticker on a Thinkpad, it'll stay.

Just wrap it up! ":)

>A31p
>1600 x 1200 FlexView IPS
>1.7GHz Bentium 4
>2GB DDR RAM
>ATI GPU with an O Ring to help bind to the heatsink
>DVD on the left, numberpad on the right
>Windows XP Black Edition 2016
>WiFi being a bitch at the moment
>best speakers from any ThinkPad ever

>>56398382
Not really, just ask the person you bought it from, it can be removed because the IT department of the original place may of written it off.

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T42p with a dirty IPS panel :(

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Obligatory shitposting

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WE ARE GONNA BUILD A WALL!

My school has a laptop program and I just got a P50 is it a good reliable computer?

Is the T460 a good buy? I know it has a chiclet keyboard, but for any people who use modern redesigned ThinkPads.

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Been using my X220 as my main school machine. Gotta say /g/, y'all were spot on with this machine. It's been exactly what I wanted.

Currently running with a 256gb SSD and 8gb of ram. All told with a spare 9-cell came to $280. Couldn't imagine getting a comparable machine anywhere else for that price.

>>56398617
Post an imgur gallery of your IBM/thinkpad wallpapers m8.

how do i get used to the clit
how do i operate it
it feels so unresponsive, then suddenly overresponsive

How does the newer keyboard (>T430) FEEL compared to the <T420 keyboard? I know the layout is different but I haven't heard anyone comment on the feel or sound.

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>>56398558
thanks for the suggestion, I called 'em up and apparently their hotline is closed, despite being open 24/7 M-F. feelsbadman.

>>56398764
Holiday weekend i guess. Call on tuesday.

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T430 vs E6430, which has the best battery life? Is there anything major that the thinkpad has that the latitude doesn't? Currently have a 8470p and battery life is complete shit, I'm lucky if I can get 2 hours out of it with a brand new battery. So I'm gonna sell it and get one of the aforementioned laptops.

>>56398748
Disable the trackpad for a week and you'll never want to use anything else again. Failing that, try the other cap styles to see if you like them better than the default soft dome. Variety packs are cheap as hell on ebay.

>>56398764
Just go straight to eBay complaint and PayPal complaints
http://ocsnext.ebay.com/ocs/sr?query=1735&st=7&topicName=Item%2Bisn%2527t%2Bas%2Bdescribed
Do these steps

>>56398748

Force yourself to use it more. 1 of 2 things is happening, either you're not used to the kind of pressure that's needed to use the clit mouse or you've got a turd one.

It took me a bit to get used to it, felt like responsiveness was all over the place. Now it feels like second nature.

>>56398748
Get a soft rim trackpoint. Much better than the default one.

>>56398092
anyone have any experience updating a thinkpad to windows 10?
will power manager still work as well as win 7?

I want to get an IPS screen for my x250, but I'm worried about the warranty as there's still almost 3 years left. Do I lose the warranty if I replace the screen myself even if something unrelated fails? Do they check for that shit?

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Why should i buy a thinkpad

Has anyone tried installing chromium os on a x61?
I'm about to get a cheap one

Will lelnovo release a 14.1" P series model next gen? I dig the P50 so much but 15.6" inch is just 2big4me

>tfw OP copied my fuckup by putting a blank line between the text and the dashed line
>tfw I have altered /g/ history
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Should I put Xubuntu or Fedora 24 on my x201?
The only linux I have experience with is fedora 23 on live USB on a shitty old Dell. I didn't like GNOME at all desu.

>>56399706
Arch or Antergos.

>muh rolling release

>>56399161
First thing you do when you're new to a general is to read the OP.

>>56399682
it's one inch bigger you fucking manlet
that's not that big of a difference, especially for the p50 that's already a decently sized laptop
>>56399161
cheap (if you buy older than 3 years)
reliable and durable
lots of parts available for pretty cheap
the keyboard nipple is amazing once you get used to it
and they have great keyboards.
>>56399706
I knew something was wrong with the spacing.
if this thread 404s before somebody makes a new one then I'll have to copy the correct one
Personally I'd go with pretty much anything ubuntu based.
Ubuntu and it's derivatives make it the biggest distro, so any linux software is pretty much guaranteed to be on ubuntu.
>>56399730
I liked antergos the little bit I used it, but from what I've heard it still has all the issues that arch is known for

>>56399742
but it dont play gayms

>>56399730
>arch
are the memes true
also, will muh steam work on it?

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faggot has asked for the wisdom of the /tpg/ Monks concerning the following question:

I've got my heart set on a ThinkPad, and I'd definitely go for a cheap/second hand one if not for one of my requirements (I've been happily using the pic related piece of shit for a while now).

I want to do UE4 gaymedev stuff on it. I've skimmed through the buyers guide, but it only applies to sensible individuals that don't want to burn money. I want a gosh darn swell laptop that will eat that shit for breakfast, and that I can happily use for many years to come. Money isn't an object.

Anyone have experience running cutting-edge stuff on the latest models? This might really be the wrong place to ask, but you're better at this than I am.

No really special requirements apart from that, obviously if I can get away with a high-end T series, then I'd prefer that over some $4500 workstation replacement. Lower weight would be cool, but I'm pretty fucking jacked. Really, it should run cold(ish), come with 16GB of RAM if possible, 8 will do (fuck Visual Studio), and a decent CPU/GPU.

>>56399853
Antergos then if you don't want the autismal installation.

>>56399756
thinking about getting a X201 for normal use but can thinkpads run gayms like csgo\gmod over 60 fps?

>>56399948
From my experience a t420 with intel hd3000 can't, your options would be a t420/t430 with the nvidia gpu.

>>56399948
x201 can't even run those games at 30 fps
you'd need either a t420 with dedicated graphics, or a t430/x230 with the igpu to do that

I found my X200 that I bought around a year back and now it won't charge its battery. Before I start spending dosh could it be the battery that needs replacing or the cable?

Can I replace the t530 keyboard with a non chiclet one?

>>56399873
Look at what other people use to do what you want to do. Then reread the guide and find out where that hardware can be found.

People have been doing DEV work (yes even for "cutting edge" shite) on shittier machines than you realize. If you let the machine get in the way of your work, you're never going to get anything done. Start doing the work on what you have, and then figure out where your shortcomings are.

The consumerist "i need to buy things to do my work cause reasons" needs to stop.

Quick question.

I'm installing Linux Mint on my new T430 and I'm a complete beginner to Linux. Should I encrypt the installation and set up Logical Volume Management or is that overkill for me?

>>56400100
well replacing the cable isn't that hard, and is dirt cheap
so I'd start there.
also try reseating everything
>>56400235
yes, you need to patch the embedded controller to do so.
If you do it please tell me how it went, I plan on patching mine soon
>>56400614
don't encrypt, and don't bother with lvm on a laptop.
also make a separate home and system partition

>56397257
Please.

>>56400746
Oh, man I'm a retard.
Let's try again:
>>56397257

>>56400842
To be completely honest, it depends on price and the specs. If its a good deal I would say spring on it, but you local craigslist / ebay may have better options.

>>56400700
>don't encrypt
wat

Why wouldn't you?

135 canadian dollars for this, touchpad is fucked apparently, though that isnt much concern.

processor i5-2540m 2.6ghz base
4gb ram installed
1600x900 display
nvs 4200m gpu
No hard drive or rails - but can show laptop is working

Or


processor intel core i5-2540M 2.6ghz base sandy bridge
4gb ram installed
1600x900 hd matte display
320gb blank hard drive

for 170 Canadian dollars. would be used for school and general travel/browsing.

What you think g/

>>56401117
I'd take the second one because i don't want a dGPU and an eGPU is a way better alternative but that's just my opinion.

You could use the hdd as secondary small storage too.

what should i get my bachelors in?

i am thinking medical imaging technology (xray tech), or informatics (a blend between comp sci and business management)

thinkpads are cool

>>56401210
Become a certified ThinkPad connoisseur.

>>56401117
Seconding for the second one, mainly because it doesn't come with a dGPU.

>>56401186
>>56401302
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Thinkpad newfrend here, why all the hate for the dGPU? I was thinking about using it for a little cheeky gaming and data visualizations for school

>>56401117
First because fuck those other guys, the nvs card's great.

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How long does it usually take for factory defects to show up on a new laptop?
Want to replace the screen but that will void the warranty so I need to make sure it doesn't have any defects.

>>56401316
More power consumption, better than the hd3000 but still not that great and imo playing on the move for small periods of time is stupid. Furthermore if you want to game a stationary eGPU setup will actually play medium-heavy things and it's upgradeable according to what GPU you buy.

Then again it's my opinion and yours might not be the same.

So, I was looking at buying a ThinkPad T400. Ideally, I want to libreboot the device, and use it for smaller games, like 7kaa, and for a business laptop.

I just checked some prices at amazon, as I don't want to make a PayPal for eBay. I might check craigslist.

Questions are, is 125 dollars a good price for one of these? It has 4gb of ram, which I hope to upgrade to 8. It has a 250gb hdd, which I may eventually upgrade. Is libreboot difficult? I read something about a BeagleBone Black for like 45 bucks. Is that part necessary to flash the rom? I will probably change the wifi to atheros. Is there anything I need, or should know about the laptop or librebooting? Is this a good deal? What is the battery like on the T400?

Thank you in advance.

>>56401117
So long as the trackpoint works, touchpad can be swapped easily.

>>56401374
Its inevitable
Also posting what kind of laptop you have COULD help us, because maybe there is a common problem that certain model has been reoccurring.

Swap the screen, its real easy to swap it back.

>>56401694
It's a X260.
There's a warranty label on the screen. Can't replace without breaking it.

>>56401709
warranty is a meme

Are there IPS screens x201t's? I have the one that only works with the wacom pen

>>56401709
I guess you're fucked then
>two lid screws
>4 screws holding the lid
>store lid in a safe space
Dunno if you need to switch out the ribbon cable
But honestly stick with using a shit screen, and when your shit gonna get defected, get a refurb defect while you're at it.

Is it worth the hassle of trying to replace the cells of my 6 cell x220 battery or should I bite the bullet and get a new one? My batteries at 64% charge and it's becoming a pain

>>56402257
Might as well try and then buy a new battery if it fails.

Replying to last thread.

>>56397137
>Did they have backlit keyboards?
No. I didn't know that was an option. I might replace the keyboards, although the Thinklight works well enough for now.

>>56402439
also something most people dont know is that the backlit kb's arent antimicrobial so they feel different and wear down faster. I prefer the thinklight and non backlit keyboards.

>>56401031
because it absolutely destroys your read write speeds
and if you fuck up your install it makes it a lot harder to get your data back
>>56401415
you can completely turn off the dgpu if you don't use it, and even if it's on but in the idle state it doesn't use that much more power.
also egpus are finicky as hell, and not recommended for new users

If I buy a touchscreen T450, can it be upgraded to a B140HAN01.3, or must I purchase a non-touchscreen model for display swaps to be possible?

T420 with i5 and eGPU, anybody has any experience with that? Was it hard plugging shit and making shit work? Did it thermal throttle, can you run casual games? Incase you are wondering why can't I purchase a desktop, no space in my house, and I still want to spend my free time having fun.

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>>56402786
>self validation in the same post as a request

Bought a T420s today. What upgrades does /tpg/ recommend?

Can I just pop a new 7260 AC (Rev 2) WLAN card to replace the 7260 N card in my x240, or will it get blocked by the BIOS whitelist?

>>56402987
if there's an x240 that supports the 7260 then it will work

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>X61T SXGA keyboard dies of electrical failure after 9 years
>frantically order a replacement for $10 on ebay
>turns out to be NMB keyboard
Try striking the keys on one of these things after touching the keys on one of those fucking Best Buy/Staples 2010-2011 laptops with the weird ridges on the sides of their keys. It's like using a typewriter compared to shoving your hand into a bowl of lukewarm oatmeal.

>>56403149
> those fucking Best Buy/Staples 2010-2011 laptops with the weird ridges on the sides of their keys.
you mean a chicklet keyboard?
and chicklet keyboards can feel just as good as non chicklet keyboards.
hell they tend to feel better because there's generally a lot less flex in them

>>56403149
>tfw the keyboard in my X61t annoys me
Its a bit mushy and the small keys annoy me because fat sausage fingers.

>>56398092
evey time i try to update my nvs 5400m's drivers it fails, any idea how to fix this?
I tried safe mode, running dgpu only, and safe mode dgpu only, but it fails each time
t430, win 7 64 bit, nvs 5400m 1gb

Just bought an i5 X220 tablet for £170 ($226). How bad did I do?

>>56402786
T420 i7 here, yes, no, of course.

>>56403831
I spent 260 on mine. USD
Had a shit battery too.

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pretty good and sexy.

any carbs out there? Picked up this for $900
2560x1440 IPS touch
8GB
i5 5300
256 SSD

never owned a thinkpad so don't know if this is just one of the meme models, bud the build quality is solid a shit, keyboard and touchpad are incredible.

Is 900p enough on 14" for school/uni/work use or should I aim at a 1080p one? 1080p mostly only leaves the X1C and t450s, 900p opens up a wider and cheaper range.

>>56404294
Get a T520 and be a bad bitch with a big laptop if you want 1080p.

>>56398694
Bumping my question.

>>56404294
get a thinkpad 13

>>56404280
that looks horrible anon. i hate the sharp edges. I would've gone with X260/270 if its even out yet.

How long until the 2016 X1 carbon gets a price drop? January?

>>56398764
In the meantime, keep it offline.

Just bought a x61 for 80dlls and a w520 for 280, did I do good?

Anyone know anything about modding BIOS to remove the WiFi whitelist? I want to change my E330s card but got no idea on how to bypass it

Is a X230 with IPS for $300 worth it? I'll replace the keyboard.

T430s, is it worth 399€? 12 month warranty, i5, 240GB SSD, 8GB RAM, no DVD Drive instead it got a second battery and the HD+ 900p display. Comes with QWERTZ keyboard so no need for me to replace it.

>>56405768
No.

is $80 a fair price for original new 9 cell X230 battery in europe?

Can I upgrade the screen in the T530? I got one with 1366x768 resolution because I'm a Jew but I'm already wanting the higher res.

are there any affordable ultraportables with quad core processors?

I'm scared that dual core on x220/230 will seriously strike my performance

>>56406010
Hypothetically speaking, the Elitebook 2560p is socketed so you could put a quadcore in there. I highly doubt it would be anything but a housefire-tier disaster, since it's a 12" laptop and was never designed for a quadcore.

>>56398779
T430.
>Is there anything major that the thinkpad has that the latitude doesn't?
Much, much better trackpoint, NVS 5400m 2GB option, second 9cell battery option, battery reset procedure via power manager. You can expect your T430 battery to last 500-600 cycles because of that. E6430 usually completely dies after 300 cycles.

>>56406010

What do you do that you need an aultrportable quad? Anything requiring a quad core would be better with a desktop. Get your head out of your ass.

>>56406148
Well it would be portable and durable facebook machine and i'd want to play few old vidya and factorio

I wast thinking about buying new 6 cell battery for my x230. How long regular usage I should expect? I get now like 6hours with about 4 years old 9cell battery.

>>56405858
Yes, from amazon.de 6cell is like 55€.

>>56406474
found them even cheaper, 75€.
how to spot fake battery in case i get cuckd by the seller?

>>56406524
With amazon you can't get cucked desu.

>>56402315
Right, that makes more sense

>>56406533
i dont feel like waiting for amazon, i need to get the battery asap hence ill buy it in a store from my country (PL)

>want to change computrace in bios from "disabled" to "permanently disabled"
>warning prompt, then changes to "permanently disabled" greyed out and no other options
>on reboot, reverts back to inactive
>repeat
>same thing
Why is it ok for /tpg/ to have a hardware-level rootkit installed on a non-flashable part of your mobo and carry on like nothing amiss?

>>56406586
works on my machine so it's your fault

:^)

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>>56406561
>he fell for X2(2/3)0 meme

>>56406624
It "works", but you have no idea what it actually does and whether or not the rootkit is actually inactive.

Idk where to ask but i need a very good ultrabook that will be able to render video and run photoshop very well i have around 2k euro

>>56406635
Werks fer me! (tm)

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>>56406635
It just works for me.

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compared to the t series. whats different about the lenovo r61?or the r series in general?

>roll cage?
>drain holes?
>high quality hinges?
>overall build quality
>ips screen?

and could you please give me a considerable price for it?
i want to buy it from a good friend. i don't want to fool him.

>>56407546
Starting from the R50, they're basically just thicker but lower-specced T series. Aside from the impossibly rare R50p, they don't have IPS screens or any particularly noteworthy features like that.

>>56407546
Lower build quality.
No roll cage.
Brittle shitty quality plastic instead of high quality plastic.
Worse steel used (in hinges for example).
Clearly lower build quality.

Still much better than edge series, for example.

I'm thinking of getting a new palmrest for my x220, as mine is chipped in a few places, broken near the touchpad, and has residue from sticker removal. Is this replacement any good? Should I even bother replacing it?

https://www.amazon.com/Asunflower%C2%AE-Replacement-Palmrest-Thinkpad-Without/dp/B01A0R6VL4

>>56401554
Just register on ebay. I got one for £60 ($80). Save yourself some money so you can stick an SSD in it.

My T-400 is one of the lower end ones (Core 2 Duo P8400) and it runs Battlefront 2 fine in PlayOnLinux, so it'll definitely do 7KAA.

The other shit I can't really tell you about.

>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.

>Just installed OpenBSD to Thinkpad
>Laptop is now borked
>Can't boot into anything
>No, not even a disc with a live CD/OS installer
>Literally have no idea what I could possibly do to get the laptop functional again
>Considering throwing it out

is a Thinkpad a good choice when picking a laptop that will also be used for running simulations?

I bought a X230 with IPS display on eBay for £270, then paid £25 for a 120GB SSD and £10 for a second 4GB stick of RAM.

I have it running eOS and I couldn't be happier with it as a portable.

Has one of the nicest IPS displays I've seen too.

>>56410003
Is the IPS screen 1366x768?

>>56410034
It is.

I'm thinking of getting either a X60 or a T60.

I already have a X200 and X200S.

What should I do?

>>56410111
Don't bother. My X61s (with Middleton's BIOS) isn't a very enjoyable experience. Shit TN display really doesn't help either.

>>56409987
>simulations
Like those weaboo dating games?

Or do you mean IRL, like simulating having leprosy by being seen in public without appleshit?

So I've got an e530 from 2012 and it's not bad, just old and slow. I'm thinking of getting a flex 4 14", I know it's not a Thinkpad but what are your guys thoughts on it?

>>56410314
Switch to a SSD and more RAM to 8GB and watch your speed increase.

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X220
i7 2640m
8gigs RAM
180 GB SSD
(probably) TN screen, not IPS
Seller claims around 5hrs battery life with the 9 cell
225USD (euro prices)

yes/no?

Kindda want a cute little Thinkpad but on the other hand it would just be a toy compared to my monstrous 8560W so having a hard time justifying the expenditure to myself...

>>56410360
Oh I know, it already has 8gb of ram and ssd, just looking to get something newer and lighter with an IPS panel.

>>56410394
that 9gag picture

>>56410394
Yes, you should get it. I spent more for my i5 model and I'm nothing but pleased with it (after I got an IPS panel that is..)

>>56410111
What's your use case? Or is it just for collecting [dust]?

I've got an Intel graphics T60 with a T7600, SXGA+ panel, 3GB RAM, T61p heatsink/fan. For an old-timer laptop with Linux it's still breddy gud. If it wasnt in storage right now i'd libreboot it.

I want that LED retrofit kit-making genius/faggot to do some T-series already. I wanna go LED; shit's dim, yo.

>>56410394
Absolutely. Also that 9-cell is probably half dead. You should be around 8 to 10 with that battery.

>Currently have a Yoga 2 Pro
Man I hate this thing. The screen is nice, but colors are shit and the 4gb of ram is killing me. The i5 is ok, but a dual core and the battery doesn't last long.
Was wondering what kind of thinkpad I should get. Needs about 8gb of ram or more, decent screen for some colors, and some processing power. Can be an X or T, doesn't matter.

>>56410394
Cant comment on price, but if you don't need it, don't buy it.

How long usage with new 6 cell battery? I was thinking about changing this old 9 cell to 6 cell because it's so clumsy and heavy.

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Shhh...T420-tan is sleeping

>>56410676
Hooked up to life support, yeah she's getting old now..

>>56410558
T420 + 2x8gb ram sticks + cheap used quad core i7 from eBay sounds close.

You won't get decent colors though.

>>56410723
Anyway to upgrade the screen to something a bit better?

>>56406010
>>56406087
45W quad cores work in the 2560 and 2570p

>>56410723
Also the T520/W520 but 15.6" is 2big4me.

Anyone use an eGPU with the W520? I'm feeling like I've hit the limits of what this Quadro 1000m can do, and upgrading to the 2000m is too much of a hassle for too little gain. eGPU seems like the only sensible option. Which adapter and cards work best?

>>56404545
Someone please answer my question. Is the T460 a good buy even though it has a Chiclet keyboard?

>>56410772
What does a T460 offer over a used T430 that is worth the bump in price?

I need your help making a choice between a T420 or a T430, guys. Bear in mind, in my country €300 is pretty much standard for a T420 and €360 for a T430. I'd like to have at least one USB3.0 port and if possible an HDMI port.

The T420 specs on the website say it has 3x USB2.0 and 1x USB3.0, and "HDMI(Displayport)", but the official specs from lenovo's website say it has 4x USB2.0 and no HDMI. Am I being rused or could it be some kind of later/upgraded version?
Also it has 8 GB ram, a 2nd gen i5, a 128GB SSD and comes with Windows 7 Pro, it costs €265,-

The T430 has 4GB ram, a 3rd gen i5, a standard 320GB HDD, and Windows 10, but it does have 3x USB3.0 and a HDMI port. It costs €277,77. Sadly, it also has a chiclet keyboard.

What's the best choice, /g/?

>>56410771
eGPU user here, not a W520 but a T420 though.

>>56410741
No, you're stuck with 1600x900 because the 1080p mod was discontinued or something.

Is it possible to find thinkpad's keyboard specifications?
Especially I mean the differences beetwen xx20 and xx30 models in categories like leap of the keys etc.

>>56410813

Forgot to add, I'm going to replace the storage with my own 240GB SSD and I'll probably put linux on it.

>>56410813
The T420s has USB 3.0
The T420 is only USB 2.0
Both have a Dport that can be adapted to HDMI.

>>56410832
Which card do you use? I'd prefer to buy AMD, but I've heard only Nvidia cards are able to run on the internal screen.

>>56410813
You can add usb 3.0 ports via the ExpressCard slot.

I'd pick the t420 for the keyboard though, unless it's possible to have the t420 keyboard 100% working on a t430. Last time i checked some keys won't work.

Is a T450 worth an extra $100-$200 over a T440?

>>56406635
I fixed mine with chink epoxy I got for less than half a dollar. Stronger than factory now.

>>56411062
GTX 960 with ExpressCard EXP GDC as adapter but i have it plugged to a monitor, not the internal display because i only have intel iGPU.

The ExpressCard version is pretty easy to set up, plug it in, install drivers and reboot.

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I just want to say thanks to the friendly anon who sold me the x100e. It's my first ThinkPad, and with an SSD and WindowMaker Live, it's an awesome little netbook. Pic related.

What is the cheapest/oldest thinkpad that will play 1080p video? I just want a dirt cheap HTPC tbqh.

>>56410676
sleep tight ^_^

>>56411072
There are only two Fn+key functions nobody uses that don't work. Also the caps lock light doesn't work except for that one faggot that built his own microcontroller. Everything else works.

>>56411008

I checked the site again, the title clearly states T420 but looking at the pics I can see T420s written at the bottom of the screen.

>>56411423
Search for "wintel" on aliexpress.

I got an x201 and i'm just wondering what you autists hate the TN screen?

Can someone explain what's so bad about the x230's keyboards versus the x220's? Is it just the layout? Because I prefer the actual keys on the x230

>>56411854
>muh chiclet

>>56411854
the layout is what's bad
anyone who unironically says anything about the chicklet design is retarded and obviously has never used one.

How much would I be looking at to upgrade a t430 to fhd?

Is the X220T a meme? I'm honestly kind of attracted to it being a casual drawfag, and I feel like it would work well for me running Ubuntu Gnome, especially since I'm already used to GIMP's workflow.

>>56411854
they removed a row of keys and condensed the top right buttons (tiny delete key is the main gripe)
probably isn't a popular opinion here, but the keyboard actually feels super nice, and i'd recommend it over the older one if you can put up with the layout
oh yeah, and they got rid of the play/pause, next track, previous track on the arrows, too

are thinkpads on newegg overpriced?
last time i bought something on ebay is was broken as all hell, and i'm sorta... scared... of craigslist.

>>56404280
>X1

you know you can't swap hardware right?

>>56411234
I'm glad you're enjoying it, still waiting on my x61

Anyone having trouble with the SD card reader? Mine shows correctly in lspci

05:00.0 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd MMC/SD Host Controller (rev 01)
05:00.1 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5U2xx (R5U230 / R5U231 / R5U241) [Memory Stick Host Controller] (rev 01)

But won't shot anything in lsblk if I insert a card. It's a T420s btw

I'm gonna get an 11e soon. Pretty excited.

new hard drive gets here tomorrow
going to clone existing Win7 install to it, then install linux for dual bootin'

ELEMENTARY OS
or
UBUNTU?

dis my first time be gentle pls

>>56413973
Antergos.

>>56413973
antergos

I am looking for recommendations on Thinkpads with long battery life, either stock battery or replacement.

Also, one with no OS + 6-8 GB RAM + at least i-5 Processor (for programming purposes and emulators)and another with Windows/no OS for just email/videos.

Price range is flexible but prefer not to spend over $150 for each

An x100e is overheating. When I connected it to a full hd display and browsed internets occasionaly watching youtube videos on smplayer, the temperature of CPU exceeded 100 Celsius, with hdd at 44 and mobo at 76 or so.
Then when I was going through the opened tabs the page got black (the browsers interface was intact).
I got scared, and switched the netbook off fearing to fry the graphics unit.

Any advice?

Are the x100e, x120e, etc. memes or actually decent netbooks? Already have multiple chinkpads, but I am curious.

>>56414224
An x100e suffers from overheating and short battery life 3hrs at most. Thats all drawbacks

>>56414504
Is the entire x1* line like that? I've never even bothered looking into them until tonight and I rarely see them talked about here.

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What phone bests compliments a ThinkPad?

>>56414540
I'm sure a phone without microsd slot doesn't.

>>56398578
got an A31 today for free, in amazing condition, but i have no idea what the fuck to do with it

thing is heavy as FUCK for a laptop

>>56414540
blackberry classic/passport
>muh businessman aesthetic

>>56414540
your pic related based on price:performance ratio (preferably with a matte black case)

>>56415146 based on aesthetic value

>>56414540
I like how that motherfucker looked
>>56415398
Been wanting a tablet PC computer

>>56404687
Most likely

>>56404280
Not a fan of glossy displays, but hope you like it, mine was neat when i had it, a bit too flimsy
for my likes.

>>56406010
Heat is the only thing that hinders smaller machines, they will throttle.

>>56413973
Debian. But regarding your choices, Ubuntu is way more robust than Elementary; but eOS is really pretty I guess.

>>56414224
I just got an x100e (posting from it now), and it's pretty radical for GNU/Linux. I'm running an ultra low resource Debian distro, so while it does get hot, it hasn't been so hot to worry me. Battery life improves with an SSD obviously. Also they're like $40 shipped on eBay, pretty fun machine for the price.

>>56415786
What distro are using with it specifically?

>>56407546
Cheaper materials but still sturdy, they are a bit thicker, I happen to like the R61 over T61 & T400.

None have IPS other than a few R50p, that one had a expensive optional QXGA display for those who didn't think the SXGA+ or QXGA display was not enough. That display is not available on any other thinkpad by factory.

How can I get used to my trackpoint?

>>56415795
WindowMaker Live. I'm a Macfag by day, so I wanted something 'Next-like'. WMLive nails it without needing to spend hours configuring the WindowManager. It's not bleeding edge, and it's clearly not popular, but it's still maintained (slowly) and runs great on this single core x100e. I posted a screenshot earlier in the thread. Midori is a must though, Firefox pegs the CPU at 100% the second it opens.

>>56401554
I got mine for ~$50 on ebay with no charger. I might coreboot it since coreboot is a fork of libreboot but more up to date.

>>56415858
Wait no, Libreboot is a fork of coreboot

>>56415825
seconding this
------
How can I monitor my cpu temperature from the xfce panel?

>>56415825
>>56415886
Disable trackpad for a week and try other cap styles if you don't have the hang of it by then.

>>56415848
Yeah, I remember your post now. I'm looking at an x120e just to mess around with. I might try WMLive out for a bit.

Thanks.

Since 2 weeks till now, the T420 popping on eBay are shitty and overpriced as fuck.
What is happening.

>>56416488
not sure about the T420 but in general old pre FUCK MY SHIT UP models are getting higher in price because people are realizing Shitovo will only make thinkpads worse and worse

When is the retro thinkpad coming out?

whats the most kino thinkpad

>>56416648
I hope no time soon.

>>56416583
how do we make it stop
I just want a nice t420 for less than fucking 400€

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>>56416708
>€
That's another problem. It seems only the US market has a good used market. I see T420s go for 60-120USD usually

>how do we make it stop
It's too late.

>>56416748
I know, it's cheaper to get an US T420 with better specs than buying one from Europe, from these german lame sellers.
It hurts.

>>56416661
W530 with K2000M, i7-3840QM, maxed out RAM, V7 OEM 1080p display, 850 EVO mSATA and the classic xx20 series keyboard swapped in.

It simply does not get any more kino than that.

>>56410111
>Shit TN display really doesn't help either.
Damn!

>>56410499
> collecting [dust]
Probably this

>>56410499
>I want that LED retrofit kit-making genius/faggot to do some T-series already. I wanna go LED; shit's dim, yo.
I'm an electronic engineer. Point me to the project pages and I might be able to help.

I found a good deal for a T520, but is it worth getting one compared to a T420?

>>56410499
I'll disagree with the other anon that the TNs are terrible. The SXGA+ one i have (from a T60p) is perfectly serviceable, as was the XGA panel I replaced. Don't remember the specific manufacturers but there may have been several that supplied screens. It's just that the CCFL is dim since it's a thousand years old.

This is the LED kit dude. If you hunt around this site he's got most of the work documented.

https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/thinkpad/led-kit.shtml

>>56417080
I'll take the T420 any day because of the screen size but if you're fine with 15.6" yes it's worth it.

>>56416948
Well shit I'm an idiot. See
>>56417149

>>56413973
Ubuntu MATE. It reminds me of Ubuntu before they started with the tablet interface bullshit.

I find it very usable and incredibly noob friendly.

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ROOOOOOOO WHY IS THE X230 SO FUCKING EXPENSIVE

>>56416708
Take one higher and lower. Here in 3rd world the prices are generally ridiculous, but there are also bargains to be found. For 400 eurobucks equivalent I could have had a T520 and an X220 or X230. I ended up with an X230 because I do not need two laptops.

>>56416862
I really fucking feel for Europeans
The electronics markets are ridiculous in terms of price and availability and it's not like most Europeans even make the money to match those inflated prices.

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>>56401554

> T400
> Libreboot
> Games
> lol
Literally impossible. Installing Libreboot means you will be unable to utilize the HD3470 and will instead be stuck with the integrated Intel GPU, which is slower than molasses going uphill in January with crutches. You ARE getting the model with the 3470, aren't you?

With a Core 2 Duo the only way you're going to play anything more demanding than Quake 2 is by utilizing the discrete GPU. Coreboot is for fags, just get a large SSD and dualboot Windows (for gaymen) and Loonix (for whatever else) and you'll have a much better time and the only downside will be an extra five seconds of boot time compared to Libreboot. With the 3470 you're looking at everything up to early early Source Engine stuff at low settings.

Unless of course you have some sort of boner for the free and open sores movement and don't like the fact that the BIOS on your ching chong manchurian meme machine doesn't "respect your freedumbs" or whatever those fedoracore stallman worshipping autists are yelling these days.

If you stick with Windows 7 you'll have the option to hotswap between the IGP and HD3470 as well (driver support for this doesn't exist in 8/10), so you can save battery life when you're shitposting but get more power when you want to run a game.

Try to get a 1440x900 model, I have the 1280x800 model and it's ok but more screen real estate is never a bad thing.

With 8GB of RAM and an SSD the T400 turns into a pretty nice daily driver. It's a little heavier than most modern laptops but as a side benefit it won't snap in half when you look at it sideways like all of the 0.5mm thick shitty modern laptops do.

Some models have issues with keyboard flex, but replacement keyboards are cheap and piss easy to install.

>>56417467
please elaborate

I'm trying to boot SytemRescueCD in UEFI mode for Gentoo installation, but I can only boot it in Legacy mode. What's the deal?

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I was directed here.

This worthwhile?
>>56418207

$40 x120e on my local Craigslist.

>>56417733
I am saying why are you set on the T420? The T520 e.g. is typically cheaper in my country, and you can upgrade it with an excellent 1080 IPS panel (some came with it from factory).

I considered that but then rather got an X230, which only needs an IPS swap to be perfect for me - for less than 140 euros equivalent. The T520s I was considering were even cheaper.

So if prices are the same where you are, you can have a small and a large laptop instead of a medium sized one.

>>56418691
mobility, mostly; t520 is too big, and x220 too small.
and I like that keyboard.
my prices are the european listings on eBay, since the prices for nearly any laptop in my country (Spain) are fucking nonsense.

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I'm looking to overclock my X60 for fun. I used setfsb on another laptop and got 12% a speed improvement. But I can't find what PLL/Clock generator the X60 uses. Anyone else have experience with this?

Would be nice to get a little faster decoding with these new video formats.

>>56418743
>T520 is too big
>wants T420 - not T420s - for mobility
You're a joke, you know that right ?

>>56418806
well, if I'm able to get a 420s for that price, I won't say no.
hope you feel better saying crap anonymously on an imageboard.

>>56418870
I don't, actually. I'm still fucking pissed. My neighbors are being fucking assholes and there is nothing I can legally do about it aside from 1) not being in my own goddamn apartment, or 2) blasting louder music than them.

But either way, I want to point out that a T420 is in no way more mobile than a T520.
The difference in size and weight between the two is negligible that the only legitimate reason you have to willingly choose a T420 is that it's cheaper than the other models.

If you want mobility, T420s or X220/X220T. Nothing else.

Got a Thinkpad X61s, Core2Duo L7300, 2GB RAM for 45€, did I fucked up?

>>56416708
Have you tried importing from the UK? they're a lot cheaper than €400 over here

>>56418886
well that sucks for you, I'm sorry then man.
if you say so I'll start looking for t520 too
thanks

>>56418918
got my eye on a few eBay UK sellers but at the end the best I can get is a T420 with 2520M, 4gb and 160gb at most for ~240€

>>56419031
Take your time. I bought one for 150€+20€shipping with those specs a month ago.

>>56416708
I got a x230 from Sweden for €250

>>56418625
Is that your babe?

>>56418888
not bad
does it have a cool screen?
or just the crappy 1024x768 4:3 turd

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>LITERAL perfect condition T420
>16GB RAM
>256SSD
>docking station
>bag
>two thinkpad mice
>300€
wat do

>>56419509
buy it nigga.

>>56419509
do it do it do it

>>56398092
What should I get for studying physics?
Budget is around 1000-1200$

>>56419578
A brain

>>56419578
15" Retina MacBook Pro and a 12" iPad Pro

>>56419509
tell me where to go get it myself

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oh my
>>56419515
>>56419525
>>56419628

Is there such a thing as a brand new t420? I've seen a couple of brand new t430' on ebay for ridiculous prices but i have never seen a brand new t420. I'm sure there a t420 in a warehouse somewhere brand new and unopened which some idiot would sell for only a couple hundred, but i have never seen such a listing.

>>56420021
anyway here it is if any polak wants it:
http://allegro.pl/lenovo-t420-core-i5-16gb-ram-256-ssd-dodatki-i6440086427.html

im waiting for DHL faggots to deliver my X230

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>been stood up to buy this t420 3 nights in a row

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Been eyeing up a T420 when I notice the T420s has a better resolution monitor. Seems like a slam dunk until reports about battery life. Notice the X220 which has the same resolution as the T420, but a two inch smaller display.

Why does the buyer's guide not mention the difference in resolution between the T420 and T420s, and is the battery life really that much worse?

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>>56420472

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>>56420498

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>>56420512
Fat butt.

>>56420498
>>56420472

>>56406635
try it friend

>>56420529
Try what? That plastic but doesn't budge even by a bit.

Recently got a T420, but keep hearing about how comfy the X220 is. Did I make a mistake /g/?

>>56420479
nigga there is no difference, except

T420s all have 1600x900,
T420 can have either 1366x768 or 1600x900

You must just be finding the lower res T420 thinkpads, but they do exist in 900p

T420 > T420s, just gotta find one with the higher res

>>56420710
>T420 can have either 1366x768 or 1600x900
This is particularly relevant. I have never seen one.

Thanks guy. I'll hunt one of those down.

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>>56420748
Research shit m8. The specs are on thinkwiki.

>>56420595
yes

>>56420797
damn

>>56420710
>T420 > T420s, just gotta find one with the higher res

Except the T420 doesn't have USB3. I don't care if it is expandable, I'd prefer it integrated.

>>56420150
pls someone answer

>>56420909
The i7 version t420 has usb3.0

>>56420972
Not saying I don't believe you, but do you have any proof of this?

>>56421012
Google it.
Anyway, sandybridge doesn't have the usb3.0 controller integrated, so lenovo put a dedicated controller chip connected to one of the three USB ports.

Conclusion: it has two usb2.0 ports and one usb3.0 port.

>>56409763
Yeah, looking at the price differences, eBay seems like a good thing to sign up for. Thank you, I figured it could, as I have a 1gb older then life laptop that could, at the cost of heating up.

>>56415858
Thank you. I didn't know coreboot was the new version. I might look into it.

>>56417656
Depends on the game. 7kaa is very old.

I like my freedoms, but I'm not autistic about them. The reason I wanted to libreboot in the first place is because I don't want the Intel management engine. I don't like what it can do, and its the reason why I considered the t400 in the first place, besides being a solid and cheap machine. In short, I was going to make it a business/document machine, with very light games.

That's also what I was thinking, a better screen.

That's also what I was going to do, and the t400 did seem to be stronger then the other models, at the price of less performance.


Thanks all for your answers. I might reconsider the t420 as a personal laptop and the t400 as business. Or I might just the the t420.

>>56403163
no he means some weird consumer acer laptop

>>56420758
how did you install macOS on the T420?
Im planning on making an install myself. Also can i dual boot it with a Gnu/Linux distro?

any german here?
I don't get the translation, it's supposed to tell the defects of a T420 on eBay

-

gebraucht, geprüft, gereinigt, Leasingrückläufer

Leichte Kratzer auf dem Display, im eingeschalteten Zustand kaum sichtbar.
(siehe Bebilderung oben)

Beim aufgeklappten Notebook hat das Display bis zu 2cm Spiel.
Das bedeutet, dass das Display um bis zu 2cm zurück klappt.
Die Funktion ist aber in keinster Weise beeinträchtigt.
Dies verändert lediglich den Blickwinkel auf das Display.

Laufwerkhalterung defekt.

Da es sich um ein gebrauchtes Gerät handelt, kann dies die üblichen Gebrauchsspuren aufweisen.

>>56421844
screen, dvd drive, case are fucked

>>56421960
but there are only photos of the screen and there seem to be a slight scratch on the screen, unnoticeable when on.
if there was a problem about the case or the drive, it would have photos attached.
dunno.

how's the battery life of t520 comparing to t420?
and those compared to x220?

>>56421064
not true, posted from my i7 t420

>>56422389
Did you even install the usb3.0 driver?

>>56422389
>>56422417
Sorry, I'm retarded. I was thinking of the x220.
The t420 indeed has no usb3.0

>>56421844
>>56422037
>Leichte Kratzer auf dem Display, im eingeschalteten Zustand kaum sichtbar.
>(siehe Bebilderung oben)
Slight scratches on screen, barely visible when turned on.

>Beim aufgeklappten Notebook hat das Display bis zu 2cm Spiel.
When opened, the screen can tilt 2cm back.

>Laufwerkhalterung defekt.
Drive holder defective.

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I read the buyer's guide but I still can't really find any solid conclusion to what I should buy.


Here is what I'm looking for:
Screen not too big (preferably smaller than 15")

Lightweight, somewhat thin (please just not brick thick).

Nice IPS screen.

Good keyboard, preferably with a fingerprint scanner.

Good speakers (not too important).

Ohh, and being able to write on the screen would be a benefit as I was looking to buy a Microsoft Surface due to the fact that it's good for that shiz.

No more expensive than £450


Cheers, and recommendations?

>>56422517
x230 / t430

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>>56422517
>Lightweight, somewhat thin (please just not brick thick).
I think you got the wrong brand, buddy. The Apple thread is two pages down.

Hello,


I've read the guide and I'm very interested in getting a Thinkpad or Dell Latitude.


I've been browsing Newegg and I've seen about half of the reviews for thinkpad refurbs don't well....come working.

Is there a link or place /g/ buys Thinkpads that are nearly guaranteed to always work?


I want to be able to use virtualbox on my Thinkpad to play around with virtual machines. I've read up that the Sandy bridge CPUs can handle a max of 16 gb RAM.

Can anyone confirm that their Thinkpad or Latitude can handle 16GB RAM?

>>56422686
Ebay, if the listing says it works and it doesn't when it arrives, they're quick to fuck over the seller for you and get your money back. I haven't had that happen to me in over ten Thinkpad purchases though.

>I've read up that the Sandy bridge CPUs can handle a max of 16 gb RAM.
16 GB is the maximum with two RAM slots, but if you have four like on a quadcore W520, you can get up to 32.

>>56422517
x220t/x230t

Is an i7 x220 a toaster?

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>notice ghosting on my x230 IPS screen
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>56422686
>Is there a link or place /g/ buys Thinkpads that are nearly guaranteed to always work?

Personally, I just bought from an official store in the occasions section.
More expensive, but came with a 1 year warranty and I think they did some light touch-ups like clean it and put stickers on worn out letters.

>>56422686
ebay

warranty is a meme

just installed the Dolby audio drivers for my T420

This thing is almost too loud now, holy shit

>>56422722


I'm checking eBay now, there are actually waaaaaaay better deals even if you flat out buy a thinkpad instead of bid.

Do you think it would be worth paying a bit more for an Ivy Bridge i7 for virtualization or just stick with Sandy Bridge i5?

>>56422967

if budget is the main concern, buy the best T series Thinkpad you can afford with the weakest i5 you can find, and swap in a quad core i7 if you need to down the line.

I'd buy an ivy bridge model personally but I'd try an ivy i5 first, see if it's enough. if not, quad core i7, easy peasy

>>56422967
buy a t420 and a quadcore with vpro like the 2720qm then replace the cpu

t. pleb who did that

>>56422999
>>56423002

Ah, didn't know you could replace the CPU on these.

Well thanks to you guys, It's not a huge leap to play like $40 more from a Sandy i5 to an Ivy i7 due to eBay.

>>56423040
definitely get the 430 over the 420.

i didnt want to wait for the t420 guy AGAIN so i got a E6430

sorry /tpg/

>>56423002
>>56423040

I got a t420 for $199!

Comes with a SSD and Win 10 Pro as well (inb4 botnet, I do IT support for a living so I should definitely learn to use Win 10)

Upgrading to 16GB RAM is around 40-60 so that will mean my total will be about $250 spent.

>>56423388
Now get a quad core and a 1600x900 display if it doesn't have one.

>>56423411

It has the display!

Can you recommend a certain quad core?

>>56423508
2720QM has vPro.

yo /g/uys, been using an x220 for a few months now and you were right, it's the most comfy thing in existence.
i am using it right now.

however, every day i am fighting against the viewangles and i need an upgrade.
can someone send me a link to the correct display?
the lenovo page shows three in total and i am confused and don't want to throw 80€ out the window.

>>56423520

So I'm seeing 80-90 on eBay for that processor.


Let's say I wanted to blow a little more money later on down the line for a processor, what would be the next step up you would recommend?

x230 with IPS for $275. Is that a good deal? Figured that if I buy a x230 without IPS and get buy the IPS screen separately, it would be more expensive.

>>56423647
2760qm, 2820qm, 2860qm

However keep in mind that the cpu cooler on the T420 is designed for a dual core. I got a 2720qm on my T420 that doesn't overheat, is stable and the throttle at high temps is minimal (like 200mhz) but i don't think I'll look for a cpu more powerful than that.

Maybe you would be able to put a more powerful cpu on there but there's no point if it will overheat and throttle to hell.

>>56423767

Ah, I see.

Thank you for the information. Defintely a quad core i7 would be better than a dual core.

If I went the full route, total price would be $330 after RAM upgrade and CPU upgrade.


I just decided to compare to a newer i7...i'm blown away: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6700HQ-vs-Intel-Core-i7-2720QM/m34954vsm532

Also, the 2720 would allow up to 32 GB RAM....not that I should need or want that much XD

>>56423944
Well the T420 only has 2 slots of 8GB anyway.

And yeah the 2720qm is very nice, it's a straight upgrade from the default processors that the t420 has imo.

>>56424009

Right, but if the CPU has a max of 32 and you get 2 x 16 GB sticks.....it should work no?

>>56424041
No. Sandy Bridge won't recognize 16GB modules. The only way to get 32GB is to have four 8GB modules, and the only Thinkpads with four RAM slots are quadcore W series models

>>56424041
It's designed for laptops like the W520 with 4 x 8GB slots.

>>56424061
>>56424074

Got it.....not that I need 32 GB anyways XD.


Thanks a lot everyone!

>>56410170
Oh, no. I mean like MCNP nuclear simulations with x million count runs.

Is there any advice for correctly modifying the padding behind the screen?

I've got the chinkpad X230 with the infamous white spots on the display from the incorrect padding pushing the screen from the back. I'll drop in a new IPS panel, but don't want the same thing to happen again.

>>56423944
>total price would be $330 after RAM upgrade and CPU upgrade.
Now get an msata ssd and 2x 2tb hdds for three drives of porn storage :^)

The upgrades never end with these things.

So /tpg/ I'm debating whether or not I should sell my 600X and X300. They're both iconic models, but honestly I have not booted either one in months and I don't have a lot of space in my apartment.

I've got a good idea of what to sell the X300 for, but no clue what I should list the 600X for. Any ideas?

>>56422967
You just have to be patient with the bidding. Obviously if you need your Thinkpad RIGHT NOW, then it will be a lot harder to get a good deal. If you wait around and bid on the right listings, you can do quite well.

t. someone who got his W520 for $200 less than the average BIN price

>>56417656
>Try to get a 1440x900 model, I have the 1280x800 model and it's ok but more screen real estate is never a bad thing

The 1280x800 model that runs at 670 nits is completely worth the loss of the 100 vertical pixels. It's twice the brightness of the 1600x900 panel on the T420 and somehow the colours are more accurate, too. There are so many times where I've found myself in direct sunlight loving that screen. Tough as all fuck to find one, though, since it was basically only private professionals buying them.

Agree that the T400 is pretty decent as a daily. It sometimes runs into hiccups on cancerous over-designed websites, but for the most part it is pretty hard to fault. If you're on Linux, then you can even be comfortable with only 4GB of RAM.

>>56423647
i've read somewhere that you can put an ivy bridge processor inside the t420 if you flash coreboot onto it (with a hardware flasher). It seems kinda hard but i once flashed libreboot on my T400 and its not that hard.
t. thinkpad collector who now uses a T420

>>56423520
>vPro
botnet is not an advantage.

I got a T420 off of ebay a while ago and I still get the "This copy of windows is not genuine"
When I try to set it up it ask for a product key which I don't think I have..
What do I do /g/?
Help

>>56425397
ms toolkit

>>56425397
>Windows
Uninstall it.

>>56425448
How come?

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Can I replace the T430 keyboard with a X220 kb + T420 palmrest?

I'm thinking of retiring my X220 for the T430+1080p panel upgrade

>>56425658
yes
you will need to reflash the embedded controller though to get all the keys to work

>>56398092
>>56425723
new thread

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What is with all the people extolling the virtues of the Elitebook over the Thinkpad?

All the Elitebooks since 2014 have been cancerous ultrabook models with low-voltage processors, questionable cooling, limited serviceability, high prices, and a keyboard that is even worse in terms of layout than the Lenovo chiclets. Pre-2014 models are usually bested by their Thinkpad counterparts. So the only alternative to the Thinkpad, really, is the Dell Latitude, but nobody ever talks about them. What's the deal? Are people so put off by the Inspiron that they don't want to be associated with the Dell logo at all?

>>56426207
>questionable cooling
>limited serviceability
>high prices
Seems like consumer HP, alright.