/agt/ Audio General Thread

got my first pc today and chose creative gigaworks t20 as my speakers
there was nothing really better at the store and i thought these would be better than my previous laptop built in beats speakers but they're kinda not that clear.
What should I do to make them clearer?
How should I put bass and treble?
Do I have to tweak something in Realtek audio manager?
Should I keep windows volume at 100 and change the volume by the speaker only or vice versa(does it matter)?

>>56378050
Windows volume always 100
You don't have to tweak anything, you are using 50$ speakers what did you expect? They are barely louder than tv or monitors inbuilt speakers, but they, from a realistic point of view are absolute total shit. I mean, if your purpose is watching cod4 compilation at 480p on YouTube then they are perfect. But if you wanted to seriously listen to music they are pleb tier, the worst of the worst, it's better to sing the song by yourself. If you want to seriously start to listen to music you should consider at least two way active speakers. Some edifier shit is good for beginners, but those are really everything that is wrong with the world
Also forgot to remove sexy subwoofer edition from description fuck

>>56378050
spend $1000 on room treatment immediately
room treatment is the most important
you don't even need speakers or an amplifier
just treat the room and place the usb with mp3s on your head

it will make the audio come out like magic

>>56377818

hey i just bought a lepai and two JBL 305s for only $400s

the .pdfs say i have the best flat system nao

no one should ever think of purchasing anything else ever again and if they do they are just too fucking stupid to live

>>56377818
I'm moving to a rather small flat in 3 weeks. Can't take my current monitors / stereo / audio gear.

I'm looking for something small to at least let me listen to music for the next 6 months. It's only a cheap temporary system so I was thinking a Topping amp but I have no idea about smaller speakers. Any suggestions for bookshelf's that have a nice rich sound?

>>56377818
Nice that we have an audio thread but not so nice we already have a persistent shitposter ruining it.

>>56378936

you'd better make sure you spend almost nothing on the amplifier since every amplifier with THD < .01 is exactly the same and there is no need for anything even if its cheap piece of crap you'd otherwise throw in the toilet

anyone who has a "superior" amp is just deluding themselves and trying to make other people feel bad since all amps are exactly the same no matter what

http://www.harmankardon.com/bluetooth-speakers/ONYX+STUDIO+2.html

what i got r8 it

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>>56378910
>>56378936
>>56378980

Did all these arguments from past threads hurt your feelings so hard you now have to shitpost? Hey buddy, how about you just fuck off to reddit or headfi. Your subjectivist view is not welcome here.

>>56378974
It's par for the course on /g/. Every actually helpful general has one mentalist, or maybe it's the same guy in each one?

>>56377818

I need a decent 5.1 setup for my computer. I have a 2.1 now but I have a big build almost done and would like something good for it.

Anything good that is kind of compact?

>>56378955
Passive speakers with low wattage are kind of rare

So how bad is SMSL? Looking to buy a dac and amp but I hear they're shit from /g/, though reviews for the product online seem to be favorable.

>>56379026
I have Logitech z906, they are quite good i bought them for 230€ which is basically nothing
For that price there is nothing better. If you want to setup your own with your own passive speakers you should spend at least 1000€

>>56379093
They are ok
Also they make some good stuff over 300$

>>56379026
Yes. Out of the blue the Genelec's smallest models(8010, 8020) with a sub(7040) would be some of the nicest and easiest to put up. They are fairly costly so budget would help.

>>56378993
I rate it poorly. Had a listen and it's really harsh sounding. I've heard better "portable" speakers.

>>56379093
It's cheap Chinese gear with poor quality control. If you order from Amazon you can always return them were there something wrong with your unit.

Hey I recommend watching these videos for some audio reviews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXQAtYqRj8c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoDmH5CD9r8

Interesting shit.

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>>56378910
>>56378936
>>56378980
Careful with those memes

>>56379087
Well the TP amps I'm looking at output up to 60w depending on model, which will power something smaller like some Q acoustics or Wharfdales for example

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>>56377818
We always talk about audio equipment but /g/, where do you download hi res music?
I download from rutracker flac 16/44.1, the only 24/96 i was able to find were those homemade from vinyl, that were even more noisy than average 16/44.1
Also, where you buy dem flacs?
Inb4 hd tracks

>>56379356
Downloading any loseless from the internet, especially public trackers is a risk. Who knows if they aren't transcodes.

But yeah most of my music is from rutracker, piratebay or nyaa for weebshit. Sometimes just from some dude's blog.

>>56379356
Flac retailers tend to be more genre specific so it depends on what sort of music you're after. Personally Bandcamp, Boomkat, Bleep etc cover most of my needs. Buying direct from labels can be a good idea too.

>>56379162
If I recall right, this guy was a tripfag on /g/.
Why not just link to the written review?

>>56379491
>Who knows if they aren't transcodes.
That can apply even if you buy direct. Transcodes and zero-padding are done are sometimes done at production level.

>>56379356
If I need to download something it's usually from Bandcamp, what, rutracker or artists' own site. I mostly use Spotify.

>>56379681
Yes he has a trip. I mostly see him post to battlestation threads but it has been a while.

>>56378742
>Windows volume always 100%
Just install ASIO and actually have a reason for doing so

>>56379026
>implying 2.1 isn't good
>implying 2.0 isn't god tier

>>56379261
Don't get an amp+passive, that's only for low-end budget jews and extreme high-end connectivity, there's dozens of reasonably priced active stereo monitors

>>56379842
I have a pair of Yamaha hs80m's for making music but they're too big for this room (and to ship them abroad without their boxes, which disappeared 5 or 6 years ago).

Any recommendations for smaller mons?

Some dude is selling ''custom made'' speakers made by his friend locally. Looks pretty well made, and the price isn't high. Can anyone recognize these drivers though?

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>>56380246
And I forgot the picture like a dumb fuck

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>>56379491
>>56379618
>>56379681
Thanks for the tips
I mostly want to buy classical music, today i saw that Sony had a classical collection of 24bit 88.2khz recording and now i have the burning Desire to own that collection

>>56379936
If you already have them use them, they are one of the best monitors around, no point in buying something worse

Gonna buy a SMSL SA98
For speakers I have 2 options
ELAC Uni-fi UB5
or
Klipsch R-14M

JBL 305
or
Fluance SX6
?

>>56380264
That tweeter placement
Listen friend, you can't do speakers on your own. You gotta have engineers, technicians, you must try them in specific ambients. Also most of nowadays speakers have magnetic shield against interferences and other stuff that that shitty speakers obviously doesn't have
So do yourself a favour and don't waste your money on those

>>56380460
I'd go fluance

>>56379026
>>56379120
>>56379159

How about

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001202C44?tag=lifehackeramzn-20&ascsubtag=65b5e64de87e21d2ada5b97b83bd848205512456&rawdata=%5Br%7Chttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F%5Bt%7Clink%5Bp%7C1499066014%5Ba%7CB001202C44%5Bau%7C5716553178370339807%5Bb%7Clifehacker

I already have a living room set so thats for my office/computer.

That price is about good for a budget or a little higher/lower. Looking for some 5.1 with a compact ish form factor. Already have full sized Klipsch in the living room.

>>56379143
>>56379159
the other shit i'm seeing other than smsl in the price range i'm looking is Topping, are they any good? Not sure which brands to avoid.

It kind of raises a flag when the amazon page for smsl items is all in broken fucking English and none of it makes any sense

>>56379815
>watch a 5.1 movie @ 2.x ch

Good passive speakers for a desktop setup in the $200~ range? Was listening to the Klipsch R-15M which sound great to me but they're fucking gigantic. The R-14M were a better size but sounded off to me, bass was too much.

>>56378910
hahahah /g/ summed up

just bought a lapi its good to know that amps dont matter at all and i get the same sound as a mchintosh stack

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Receiver/amp
>Yamaha RX-V379 = $~200

Stereo/front
>JBL Loft 40 = $~80

Center
>JBL Loft 20 = $~75

Surround
>JBL Loft 30 = $~60

Sub
>Polk PSW10 = $~100

>>56379356
>>56379491
>>56379618
just buy cds reminder that all those flac files are ripped from a cd anything claiming to be a higher bitrate is probally lieing with some exceptions

for a small room, for the price there's nothing better than the KRK Rokit 5" (G2-G3) right?

I'm finding them for $150 a pair on ebay good condition.

>>56381065
spend 500 on a sub you will thank me later

>>56381085
keep in mind this is for music production mostly, not gaymin

Should I buy a pair of Asus PB258Q or a pair of ELAC Uni-fi UB5 and amp


Currently I have a 24" 1080p monitor a gtx 1070 and some 5.1 logitech speaker system

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>>56381093
I know, I can't get <30Hz with my psw. YST-SW315 or other suggestion?

Need advice for a good desktop setup for ~100€

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>>56381190
you need to go to hifi stores and audition subs its not just about how low it can go sometimes they sound like farts in the low frequency range sub 30hz with my current one focal sw 1000 and it is just so punchy and clear its amazing but its super experience buy what you like the sound of

>>56381242
save more money and wait buy something good insted of something cheap

>>56381242
Mackie CR4

>>56381065
also expect cheap receavers like that to break they cut corners assembling them too keep costs down

Best set of passive speakers?
Budget 500 usd

anything other than production monitors are memes

>hs8 master race

>>56381378
How much would you recommend saving? I have quite a few things to buy on top of audio.

>>56381397
Never even heard of these before. Are they better than a similarly priced speaker+amp combo?

>>56380264
i can probably ID them if you give me something bigger than a thumbnail.

tweeter looks like a goldwood gt-525 or GRS knockoff. woofer is aluminum cone, so unless he spent more on the crossover parts than he did on drivers, there's probably some nasty resonances right where the ear is most sensitive.

just looks like cookie-cutter design

I missed the poorfag thread. I got a set of logitech speakers that are a decade old and I need to replace them. All I need is stereo sound, so what pair of speakers should I get for music? I'm going to power them with a pawn shop receiver that I will upgrade later. I might add a sub later as well. Price range is around $200.

>>56381457
Not him but I have a RX-V379 and to be fair it's a very decent receiver for the price if don't want fell in the vintage meme amp.

>>56379356
I just download them from https://chiru.no/dl/notanime/sacd/

>>56381587
im an audiophile so i would say about 1k i got into audio blind and bought a 1.3k 2.0 system and ive been hooked ever since if you buy used you coudl get some really good deals

Guys, what are ur thoughts on the Akai Rpm800?

>>56381806
Not going to be able to afford that. That's two months wage after paying rent for me.
Most I could push for is 150€

Was thinking of Scythe SCBKS-1100 with SMSL SA-50 amp, but really unsure. Especially about the amp.

>>56381366
yeah, it's important to make sure the sub you're interested in is designed correctly.

often companies will cut part costs until the sub technically isn't fully functional; sub plate amps are almost always garbage that clip even at low volumes. ports are usually undersized, so monstrous amounts of port chuffing is the "norm". high-excursion woofers that come with ridiculously high Le, varying the response as the coil heats.

once you're sure a sub is functional, then it's all about output and frequency extension.

remember that the room, and where the sub is located in it, completely dominates how it sounds. completely. an expensive sub that sounds crisp and clean in the store can (and probably will) sound boomy/mushy when you take it home.

the only way to fairly compare two subs is to swap them out in the same location. unless you've got a hardcore salesman willing to push subs around and swap cables for 20 mins, then one sub has an unfair advantage.

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any opinions about magnat speakers? Thinking about getting pic related (monitor supreme 102) for 90 euros a pair. I used to have monitor audios bronzes b2, and they felt too boomy for my 12m^2 room, so considering these for the smaller woofers and cheap price. any input appreciated

>>56381967
absolutely not necessary to spend a grand.

those scythes look pretty terrible.

combine your speaker and amp budgets and buy powered monitors instead. JBL LSR305 is still the leader by far.

>>56382065
they're the same bookshelf design that's been around for decades now. i'm sure they sound the same as fluance sx6 or any other similar design.

if you put the magnats in the same locations as the b2s, you'll probably still have boominess. smaller woofers don't reduce boom per se, they reduce ALL bass (including the frequency the boom was happening at).

>>56381685
of course you would get good ones but ive talked to a few people and they have broken ones

>>56382101
>those scythes look pretty terrible
The internet can never seem to agree on anything.

>JBL LSR305
Holy flat response batman. I think you just ended my 2.0 hunt.
Wonder how many weeks before I get noise complaints.

>>56382495
Whoops. Didn't realize the price was double my budget. And yet, I'm still convinced I should just get these and forget buying any kind of audio equipment ever again.

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http://philharmonicaudio.com/aa.html


Someone please tell me if these are good. I've been asking in the past three threads.

>>56382495
meme speakers

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>>56378936
>buying an amp for powered monitors

>>56381502
This

>>56381502
monitors are memes hifi is way better its more musical and enjoyable

>>56383053
>placebo is more musical and enjoyable

can't argue with you there. the placebo effect is a very real phenomenon.

>>56383074
ive done side by side tests 1800$ monitors vs my 1600$ speakers the hifi won every time i think you just think that because you cant afford hifi

>>56382901
that's just the shitposter trying to stir the pot.

you can tell it's him by the way he shoehorns in "flat response" apropos of nothing

>>56382746
they're just Parts Express' BR-1s with a custom crossover.

part quality is great, but they have the same downfalls any other "dome on a box" design has: mismatched directivity at the crossover frequency, possibly resulting in lobing, and narrowing directivity in the treble.

the PE version's crossover has rising on-axis treble to bandaid the laser-beam directivity, to keep them from sounding dark when you're listening from the couch.

the PA version turns them into pure monitors. the new crossover is optimized only for nearfield, on-axis response. sit farther than 2 feet away, or a couple degrees off-axis and they'll sound dull and nasally.

so they'll work fine as monitors, but $210 + shipping on 32lbs of speakers isn't great value. for that much the tweeter should absolutely be waveguided.

For a poorfag a Lepai 2020 and a pair of Micca MB42X sounds good?

>>56383764
What do you suggest instead? Thanks for the answer.

Why do you all hate the lsr305s? Is it just because of the hissing they make?

http://noaudiophile.com/JBL_LSR305/

they seem breddy good according to this review though the guy says their soundstage is lacking and they aren't very exciting to listen to. That puts me off buying a pair. fuck

>>56384151
/g/ loved them until Zeos made a video, now they're hot garbage.

>>56380467
You can do speakers on your own. Heck if you have the knowledge you can do some amazing stuff with DSP modules built into the loudspeakers nowadays. I've seen incredibly well performing designs from DIY people using off the shelf parts from brands like Hypex, Icepower, miniDSP, Scanspeak and the like. That said those posted look like ass.

>>56380460
JBL easily. Fluance doesn't look that good at all.

>>56381366
Useless with subs given how you are essentially listening to your room when you take it home. Good design matters but you can't hope to get a sub integrated in a room without measuring the performance on site and applying EQ at the very least. Sub arrays or bass traps aid with more even sound power around a larger area in the room.

>>56384151
They are amazing value and do stuff like on axis linearity and more importantly directivity better than anything else near its price point. I see just the shitposter "hating" on them.

>>56384151
the audio industry is built on the ideas of personal preference and brand loyalty, to cover up that most designs are recycled from the '80s.

so when people see a single product continuously recommended, they think it's shilling or groupthink. that's why the only argument against the 305 is "meme speaker".


i don't recall noaudiophile's review mentioning soundstage at all, but that's one of controlled directivity's strengths. in fact, CD means you can toe-OUT the 305s for an exaggerated soundtage and increased spatiousness/imaging.

not sure where "they aren't very exciting" came from, either. he mentions the lack of "fake detail" from too-loud treble. that's a good thing! if you want fake detail for whatever reason, you're free to use the treble control on the back.

>>56385094
Right at the end he mentions they dont have a very realistically sized/shaped soundstage. I take it that means the soundstage isn't very tall and doesn't image depth?

Also he says they're lacking in the "euphorics" department. I wonder if i'm better off with a more colored speaker just for casual listening idk

>>56385094
yep its all personal prefrence everyone should audition any peice of equipment before they buy it

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>Bought Wharfedale Diamond 3s (80s or 90s old speakers) for 40 bux off some old dude
>Pair with Lepai amp
>Fall in love
>Buy Wharfedale Diamond 121s, Dac, Amp
>Still prefer my Lepai Wharfedale Diamond 3 setup over that bassy boomy 121 bullshit.

What the hell... I paid like 800 AUD for that Wharfedale Diamond 121 setup, its nice sometimes but its often too bass and lacks clarity like my Diamond 3s I scored for 50 bux... The mids especially are good on the diamond 3s especially for 50 bux.

What do ya'll think of the Diamond 9s, 10s and 121 series?

>just bought: breeze tpa3116 + Douk DSD1796+XMOS-U8
>found a Q Acustics 3020 used for 140$
what yall think, just go for those or I could get something better?

>>56385417
"euphorics"?

haha, the hell does that even mean? and why didn't he mention it in the body of his review? sounds like a little bit of added BS to make his conclusion sound "balanced".

>I take it that means the soundstage isn't very tall and doesn't image depth?
nope. think about it like this: soundstage mostly comes from the recording itself, not the speaker. if that height/depth information is there (and it usually isn't), it's the speakers job to portray it accurately by providing correct timbre and avoiding early reflections. ...the exact things the 305s are great at.

the clincher is that he says
>"but closer than normal placement to side walls and running with some toe in seems to help with those issues."
which means he's actually describing an imaging problem due to his tiny-ass listening room. skipping the jargon, the best solution is steep toe-in. it's obvious he never tried this, otherwise he'd have figured out the purpose of the HF trim controls.

>I wonder if i'm better off with a more colored speaker just for casual listening idk
uh, you're kinda mashing ideas together here.
controlled directivity means the usable sweet spot is huge, so you can lay upside down on your couch across the room and still get great sound. if do the steep toe-in thing, the stereo image is even stabilized as you walk across the room.

if you mean that a colored speaker would be more fun to listen to, that's definitely not how it works.

>>56386033
Thanks for the answers man i'll probably be getting these speakers soon

>>56380928
Topping is way better than smsl
>>56381074
Yes but stuff like all Mendelssohn quartet by melos quartet in Europe is never avaible under 100€

Buump

What tracks do you use to test your gear?

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Headphones: Fiio E10K + ALG K702
Speakers: Indiana Line Mio Kit 2.1
Modest setup but ot has great value. I'm going to get Yamaha HS8 once I move to a bigger and treated room.

>>56387493
Whichever song I know very well

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>>56387493
Gekiretsu de Karei Naru Hibi from the Haruhi OST is always the first thing I play.

>>56387493
Gas Gas Gas

>>56378910
>>56378936
>>56378980
a little mad are we?

>>56379356
Bought a few albums off HDTracks, otherwise most of my FLACs are from my own collection of CDs, and Demonoid back in the day
t. Guy that the shitposter at the start of this thread is assmad about (I appear to be two of the three straw men in his head)

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>>56377818
KEF LS50
Marantz AMP1
B&W ASW608
AKG K712 Pro

>>56387493
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m2bu-DCXGg

>>56378742
so what then 50$ speakers are worse than the headphones that came with my ipod and in built beats of my previous laptop? Then the sound industry is a giant fucked meme.

why does no one make closed speakers anymore
ported bass sounds like shit

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Is the Adam F5 a good choice for studio monitors? Budget is ~450 dollarinos

>>56388215
i had that subwoffer before I upgraded it was hell good

Currently have a Behringer 202 USB DAC connected to a Topping TP21 amp with 2 Micca MB42X speakers.

Just want to see if any of these 3 pieces should/could be replaced with better ones.

2.1 setup in the $700 range?

Use a 5.1 receiver for pc audio even if you never intend to use the rear channels?

Hello, I don't know if this is the best place to ask but I'm looking for a good microphone to use to talk in VoIP programs and sometimes (rarely) to record. I've always wanted to attach something to my headphones but I can't find anything good or worth the price so I thought that maybe I could buy a good desk microphone that I could keep under my monitor (it's attached to a VESA stand and there's plenty of space below).

So tl;dr, what would be a good microphone to buy with a max budget of 50€? The lower the better as long as it's not utter trash. Thanks

>>56388215
Nice as always

>>56388696
Adam is one the best brand for professional audio
>>56389519
If you use a 5.1 receiver you should use active soeakers. What is that receiver?

>>56389881
Isn't it passive speakers with a receiver (or do I misunderstand passive == powered)?

Looking at something like the Denon AVR-S510BT.

>>56381098
There's a hell of lot of monitors that's fucking better than KRK rokits
But KRK rokits are indeed very very good
I'd say you might want slightly bigger cones, 5" might get crowded with bass frequencies, but for a small room you wouldn't want big loud ones

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>>56381502
>>56383053
Flat production monitors AND an equalizer for these casuals

>>56379026
I use this. Not sure how much it is in america but you would need to buy the other 3 speakers separately which is easy enough.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Onkyo-HT-X22HDX-Compact-Cinema-System/dp/B003H9NHXI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472829359&sr=8-1&keywords=onkyo+htx-22hdx

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>>56377818
God tier headphone. Decent tier speaker/amp setup.