Is there really any point to this distro when you can use a minimal

>>56350514
and vice versa...

>>56350514
There are no distributions, there are repositories and package managers maintained by different people.

>>56350514
Debian's repository structure is bloated as fuck. Even GNOME core installs Firefox or chromium. Whereas Arch kde mininal doesnt even come with a file manager.
Furthermore AUR ports is divine

Rolling release and if you use the aur then you get a repo that rivals Debian's in size

> sudo apt-get install pacman
I fixed your distro for you... at least, partially.

>>56352397
Debian has a rolling release repository but Arch fags are learning resistant and will resume to claim the opposite tomorrow.

>>56352427
> learning resistant
You wouldn't know your power button from your asshole if it weren't for the Arch wiki.

Besides, everyone knows:

> Arch = playtime
> Fedora = worktime
> Debian = GNU/bees

>>56352427
I don't mean to take part distrowars. I just personally wouldn't use Debian if I weren't on stable or unstable since that rock solid stability is what makes Debian good imo.
It's not worth much as an argument since my arch install is subtly broken in ways that I haven't managed to pin down yet but last time I tried even just pinning a few testing packages on my Debian install I managed to fuck everything up so badly that a dist-upgrade decided that I didn't actually need xorg. To be fair I didn't really know what I was doing and probably fucked that up too.

>>56352456
>Fedora = worktime
man, i really am a boring person arent i?

Is there any point to minimal debian or fedora iso when you can use that to avoid bloat?

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>>56352570
probably...I mean you're sitting on 4chan pontificating about distros...but not really.

I am too, but then again, I very rarely come here anymore. I think this is the 2nd or 3rd time I've visited since I quit coming here willingly back in 2009.

and with that, i'll see you lads in 2020 or something.

but if i use debian i cant tell everyone on the internet how cool i am

AUR

>>56350514
install gentoo

>>56350514
>debian
>minimal
Are you high? You must be.

>>56350514
The AUR. It's so good due to the ridiculous amounts of packages and package mods available that despite the inherent flaws to arch and the cancerous direction it's gone recently, it's still completely worth using and nothing can come close.
The package count on debian distros look larger, but that's because they split each package into 5 packages (x, x-doc, x-dev, libx, x-extras would be a single package: x, in non-debian distros)

>>56350578
That's mostly true, but that is pretty much WHAT makes a distribution. There are also several software that do not work outside their native distro for various reasons (manjaro driver manager, ubuntu driver jockey, opensuse YaST), some distros completely change the filesystem structure (gobolinux), some have radically different operating paradigms (qubesos, whonix), some are meta-distros (bedrock), etc.

>>56354455
Arch is too retarded.

Fedora.
Debian.
Ubuntu.

All these are superior.

>>56354555
None of these have anywhere near as many packages, nor as up-to-date packages. Additionally, of the 4, only arch lets you cleanly remove systemd and use openrc instead. Recently, arch has also been the most stable of the 4, so these distros end up being strictly inferior in every single aspect except out-of-box ease of install (which is mitigated by architect or alternative arch distros like manjaro).

Install gentoo

>>56354414
>ignorant Arch poster
Minimal bootstrapped Debian is smaller than minimal bootstrapped Arch.

>>56354571
>thinking manjaro is the same as Arch

Nigga, are you high?

>>56354571
>Recently, arch has also been the most stable of the 4
>Source: my ass

>>56354853
It's literally the same thing except with held-back "tested" stable repo.

>>56354874
That's like thinking ubuntu, mint and debian are literally the same thing.

>>56354891
t. retard

>>56352304
This.

Litrally /thread

>>56354899
>can't argue back
>y-your'e a retard!

why so salty?

Listen up and listen good.

Boring office stuff like spread sheets: Red Hat, CentOS
Gaming and noobs general: Ubuntu
Entry-level coding: Debian, Fedora

Reale serious coding, top-end server stuff and hacking: Arch

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Liberty of choice, I don't understand distro wars I use most of them... And I get a 6 figure paycheck on the enterprise software branch
Pic related

>>56354917
>thinks you have to argue against idiotic claims

kek

>>56354929
100% wrong.

>>56354555
>Ubuntu
>Superior
hahahahahaha
Ubuntu suffers from the same highly-visible bugs that have existed for years (such as, Apport crashing and being unable to send error reports), Nautilus loses functionality with every release, Ubuntu has the worst performance of all GNU/Linux distributions (along with Kubuntu), and 16.04 is the buggiest vesion yet. There is nothing about Ubuntu that is superior to anything. The only reason you like these babby distributions is because you don't have to have any knowledge about anything and you're too dumb to follow basic installation directions.

>>56354866
How do you define stability? Ubuntu is so over-engineered and so bloated, it is impossible for it to not have programs crashing on a daily basis. I have been using Arch for years and I have yet to have a kernel panic or an application crashing.

>>56355121
>There is nothing about Ubuntu that is superior to anything.
It's the better debian :^)

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I don't even see any reason for this kind of argument you guys are having with each other.

OP clearly made this thread to bait the Archneets.

Every single time someone makes a thread with that Arch logo it brings the inner autism of this board.

>>56355145
True, true

>>56354988
Are you seriously this angry about not being able to think of any argument or are you a kid trying to be an epic troll? Because both are equally hilarious.

Can you do a "minimal" installation where you login don't have to install KDM or GDM, and you can immediately install a window manager rather than a bloatware DE?

Honestly curious.
Pretty sure however minimal you get it you still get stuck with some bloat.

also, graphical installer is a bad idea.

>>56355469
Have you ever tried a minimal install?

>>56355559
No that's why I was curious. Does it just drop you at tty like arch?

Fedora doesn't have compton. Wtf.

>debian
Enjoy your 3 year old packages or 1 year old horribly unstable packages
>fedora
Enjoy horrible instability, retarded unnecessary system protection bullshit you have to forcibly disable, and the NSA botnet

>>56355621
Yes, that's why it's called "minimal".

>>56355658
Okay, cool.
Then I'll default back to my graphical installer argument.
Waste of space on the installer, not the installation, but still not minimal.

Apt is just too slow. Debian needs a better package manager on par with pacman or yum.

>>56355712
Yum is dogshit and is on par with apt.

Why are wireless drivers in linux kernel so dogshit? Lost three fucking hours fucking my rtl8192cu after an update broke the last fix

>>56355735
yum is deprecated. we dnf now.

>>56355695
Graphicall installers are good when you feel too lazy type, also, try a minimal install and see the graphical installer in there.

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>>56355767
Because
a) you're shit
b) your wireless card is shit

>>56355695
>Debian users
>pic related
>"We can't expect them to figure out how to add a user."

>Arch users
>man useradd
>"oh okay"

>>56355813
Making a user account is a standard feature of most distro installers.

>>56355793
>too lazy to type
Sounds like a Debian user to me

>>56355767
>wireless
Bunch of proprietary half-working shit. Don't even bother.

>>56355857
lol, as much as I agree that wireless is shit, it's a necessary evil if you ever want to leave your basement.

>>56355831
That's why useradd is on the arch iso. Not everyone needs your pointyclicky Dumb Windows Luser level shit.

>>56355767
Why are you derailing this thread with a totally unrelated question?

>>56355831
Sure, the only counterexamples I can think of are Arch and Kali.
Arch because they want you to have all that manpage fun, Kali because they either want you to break your system or expect you to run as root in a VM.
>inb4 Mr Robot doesn't use a VM

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>>56354555
>Ubuntu

>>56355247
kys moco poster

>>56355143
>ubuntu
>it is impossible for it to not have programs crashing on a daily basis
nigga r u high?

>>56355902
Arch linux, the post

>>56356108
Not at all. I've tried all of the 16.04 distributions. Kubuntu and Ubuntu Unity are unusable.

>>56356138
This.

>>56356138
Anecdotes. What exactly went so wrong?

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>>56356094
>archneet detected.

>>56355247
That's a cute 2hu :3 Can I download it, please?

>>56356274
You turned her into awoo 2.0

>>56356165
Apport suffers from the same "System Program Problem Detected" bug it has had since 2012. This is highly visible and you would think it would get a fix right away, but here we are.

Unity suffers from a massive amount of bugs when trying to use basic functionality, like moving windows between workspaces (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1596623)

Unity is a slow, bloated desktop environment. It gets in the way of doing actual work more often than it uses its functionality to the benefit of the user. Every version of ubuntu gets worse and worse. After 11.04 or so, Nautilus started losing features, and now it's been completely gutted.

Ubuntu is just a disaster, mate.

You get a sane package manager, which can't be said about Debian or Fedora

>>56354891
Manjaro and Arch are much closer than Ubuntu and Debian.

>>56352304
Do you need Arch to use AUR?
I thought since you have to manually use AUR that you can just use it on any other distro too?

>>56352304
>Whereas Arch kde mininal doesnt even come with a file manager
That's a feature?
And you wonder why people make fun of Arch!

If I install a DE I expect to have all the features a DE is supposed to have and this includes a file manager. I don't want to micromanage just to get a basic experience that should be the default!

>>56357203
> If I install a DE I expect to have [...] and this includes a file manager.
u should install freebsd. u cant even install kde without getting shit like xscreensaver or a planetarium.

>>56357203
But a file manager is not part of a DE. It is not a feature a DE is supposed to have, because DEs are separate from file managers.

>>56357203
The point is that afterwards you install whatever file manager you want. You fucking dunce.

>>56357203
DEs do not build in file managers. Ergo FMs are not part of DEs.

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>>56357281
he would install nautilus.

>>56357258
>supposed
[citation needed]
>>56357317
Nautilus doesn't exist anymore. A bleeding edge Arch user should know this. It's Gnome Files now.

>>56357263
>>56357281
>>56357313
>>56357328
The Arch memes are real!

>>56357350
Nothing to do with Arch. KDE itself does not come with a file manager. Blame KDE.

>>56357328
and raider is now twix.

>>56357350

>are real

please leave 4chan

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Tried Arch.. tried Manjaro.. tried Antergos...

The soul of Arch is boring.. I can't express it in any other way..

>>56357393
>AUR
>boring

I think you must be mentally ill.

>>56357393

>soul of arch

dude what

>>56357393
When you do actual work, you want your distribution to be "boring".

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All these arch aspies defending muh distro.
I refuse to believe most of /g/ is this retarded.
It must be a very vocal minority.

Anyways use whatever gets the job done, that's the beauty of GNU/Linux as RMS Otou-san would say. Be free as in freedom my boys and move on from this distro wars. This is /v/ tier bullshit.

>>56357471
> arch aspies
who told u?

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>>56357412
>>56357424

I install it. I tweak it to my liking. An irritation builds up.. I get rid of it.

>>56357521
install windows

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>>56357430
>arch
>actual work

>>56354929
Am arch user and this is no!

>>56357545
Watch your tongue.
Arch is not a toy. It's a powerful tool for professionals.

>>56357090
You can use any repo with any distro, but package incompatibilities will completely kill your computer and probably make grub panic.

>>56357263
>archfags are so retarded they don't even know what a DE is

>>56357578
desktop environment

>>56357578
dark elf

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>>56357561

arch is a bore. you archies need to be able to bear opinions that differ from the "truth" spewed all over the place.

>>56357471
A stupid fight about distros breaks up the monotony of stupid fights about graphics cards, and stupid fights about women and indians, and stupid fights about microsoft.


I just wish we had some decent threads to break the monotony of constant crap that this board produces

>>56357578
Double Edgy

>>56350578
Tis why we should all embrace the Bedrock Linux age of enlightenment

>>56357675

haha

>>56357730
>What is Arch-anywhere

>>56357808
Dudeweedlmao's fucked attempt at replicating architect

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I know that Arch has a reputation for being really unstable, but the only distro that I've had get borked by an update is Mint.

>>56357827
Arch is much more stable than it used to me. Most importantly, if it does fuck up, it's trivial to go back - unlike say, Debian.

>>56357865
sudo pacman -U /path/to/pkg.txz

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>>56357865

it's still a bore

>>56357904
stfu

>>56357904
I too will never understand australian cuisine.

>>56357895
That shit won't help you much if Xorg doesn't start up after a 200 package update
>>56357904
Gb2reddit, why are you here

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>>56357923

no

>>56357865
That's a pretty misleading claim. With debian, you always have access to older versions of some packages. With arch, if you clear your cache, you're shit out of luck (the totally-not-3rd-party archive is too shit, too)

>>56357953
The totally-not-3rd-party archive literally keeps the same old packages you've used before. I use manjaro anyway, where you've got 2 official backup repos to lean on.

>>56356431
>arch
>doing actual work
what work are you doing with arch that you couldnt do with, lets say, debian?

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>>56357979
Manjaro is comfy AF

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>>56357932

I've run arch for a long long time.. but now I'd rather use Debian, Fedora or OpenSuse..

Arch is such a bore...

>>56357993
c++14

because yaourt is the best package managing script ever. prove me wrong.

>>56358031
learn how to programm and read yaourts source code

>>56358039
in what language? bash?

>>56350514
arch is basically the same as any other distro esp when you use something like manjaro or antergos but the biggest advantage is the AUR

>>56358045
troll?

>>56358061
C?
>>56358059
those aren't comparable because they are preassigned desktop environments and so forth. arch lets you select others like i3.

>>56358031

give us a reason why it's superior the the rest.

>>56358080
it autocompletes and lets me know what version i need versus what's the latest. i can also compare different repo's by binding them.

>>56358077
t. retard

>>56352304
>Furthermore AUR ports is divine
Stop with this bullshit, in almost 99.9999% of use cases, it's better to just grab the sources from the repos and install it yourself.
AUR is too random for me to rely on it. Some packages are well-maintained, but it's more like a few living souls in a cemetary.
The only problems I ever had with Arch were because of AUR and the incompetency of the devs there.

>>56358077
You can uninstall those, you know.

>>56358114
At the very worst, AUR provides you with a quick link to the sources and comments are often useful for troubleshooting.

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>>56358120
but why should i bother when i could just not have them to begin wtih?

>>56358114
0.1/10, at least you pretended to have tried.

>>56358256
then just change your xinitrc and dont uninstall it or just dont use the distro or just put your computer in a bucket of water you can do anything man

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>>56358311

Fact is, 80% of Linux professionals prefer Arch Linux at their job, for its efficiency, speed, minimalism and reliability.

>>56358403

where is the proof of this you're saying?

>>56358403
>93.735% of statistics are fake, fact.

>>56358458
do you have the statistics to back that up?

>>56358031
Pac-aur is much better.

how's this for thought:

1. use docker containers
2. use alpine linux or busy box as a base image if possible for really small images
3. ???
4. PROFIT

>>56358403

Where is the proof? Can't find this on google..

Find alot of Debian, Fedora and OpenSuse.. some Arch.. but the overwhelming use you speak of is non-existing..

>>56358569
Because it's bullshit anon.

The majority uses either red had (we can include fedora here since it's basically their beta) and debian on workplaces.

I'm not saying Arch is shit as some other anons but trying to say it's the best thing ever and everyone and their mother uses is a lie.

>>56358634
>justin bieber is the best musician the world has ever seen!
This is not normal. But on debdora, it is. Debian or fedora: not even once.

>>56358662
That's how you're going to defend your favorite distro?
Talking about justin bieber and making bullshit statistics about 80% of TI workers using Arch and not what's been pushed for decades as the industry standard (you agreeing or not)?

is anyone here actually using fedora?

>>56358694
huh;;;;; really made me think!!!!!!

>>56358697
im using A fedora does that count

>>56358712
>using /pol/ memes.

Give me data that will prove how 80% of the industry uses Arch and not Red Hat, Debian or some other distro.

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>Temple OS

>>56357607
>being able to configuring whatever you want as you sweet
>considered a boreing distro

go back to Windows or Ubuntu, you illiterate piece of proprietary shit

>>56358824
I fucked up the grammar, my bad, new keyboard, too easy to missclick

>>56358824

worst comeback ever.....

I use Slackware.. the love of my life :) I just don't push my distro of choice in the face of everybody.

>>56352304
The AUR is a fucking retarded ports system compared to portage and the multitude of half-broken "helpers" is pathetic

it wasn't meant to be a ports system

it was meant to be a collection of pre-written wget commands for getting the source and package building frameworks to be used manually

they're called pkgbuilds, not ports

>>56352427
Debians' testing and unstable repositories use software THAT MAY HAVE BEEN PATCHED BY DEBIAN

Arch's repositories use VANILLA SOFTWARE WHEN POSSIBLE

That means THE MORONS WHO BROUGHT YOU THAT ONE OPENSSL BUG DON'T HAVE THEIR UNREVIEWED CODE IN YOUR SHIT

>>56358754
Thinkly made me huh my brother.

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>>56358960
Where's the proofs anon.
I'm here waiting.
Or you pulled those numbers out of your autistic asshole?

>use debian netinst for years
>find arch
>suddenly half of disk used and i dont have to install source files for packages myself (no xorg-dev packs or other bullshit)
I am sorry that an installation with a guide is too hard for you but arch is superior senpai

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>>56359033

but you are bored, aren't you?

>>56359216
eternally senpai

I use Debian at work and at home.
Somehow I couldn't convince my employer to run the production servers on Arch.

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>>56350514
yes, just try it.
>you'll learn about linux, and how flexible it can be
>things will suddenly fit your needs, not otherwise
>pacman y better than yum or apt
>the #yolo feels from the AUR is great cause you never know what is gonna come through that door

>>56359394
>you'll learn about linux
Why do Arch users think their distribution is somehow better for learning about Linux?

>>56359416

delusion.

>>56359394
2 words for you my friend
install gentoo

>>56359416
probably cause it force you to learn, the wiki is pretty good and the forum jerks clean the redundant/misleading post. You can learn from ubunto and man pages if you want, I did a long time ago and was easier with arch

>>56359742

gentoo, slackware, crux,,,, there's lots of interesting distros out there,, if you wanna learn linux.

>>56350552
/thread

>Bedrock

>>56350514
Who the fuck has time for stupid questions like this? Who the hell is interested anyway?

>>56360178
It's shit by the way.

>>56350514
If there's a certain package I can't get in Debian stable or testing I might use Arch...or Parabola.

Debian sid can get a bit crazy at times so I don't tend to use it.

>>56354969
Under appreciated comment

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>>56350514
No

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>>56362724

>>56357090
>Do you need Arch to use AUR?
yes, AUR needs Arch Build System. It is comes from BSD ports
>That's a feature?
No, if you ask for core desktop, you probably don't want third party browsers like firefox or chromium
>>56358114
>in almost 99.9999% of use cases, it's better to just grab the sources from the repos and install it yourself.
No, no really. It makes life easier. When was the last time you compiled HPN-SSH within a few minutes? Also, all it does is compiling source from the github link.
>>56358938
I don't see any point of this post though

>>56362724
>Frog proclaims winning while a cpr dummy exhales an orange cloud of ubuntu.
Dumb frog poster on LSD.

>>56362724
>>56362747
>Average tryhard ubuntu babby
How's your first week of Linux?

>>56362747
>>56362834
whats the difference between these two?

>>56362953
Apt can't uninstall gnome

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>>56362834
>>56362803
>implying I don't shit post from BSD

Arch is fun, but it's not functionally different from Debian, Ubuntu, or any other distro

>>56362989
>BSDbabby
even worse