What does /g/ think of AMD Zen? its ocming out in a month and

>>56339254
My Mobo is ready

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>>56339254
>its ocming out in a month
you mean 8-10 months or 244 days - 305 days or 5868 - 7320 hours or 352080 - 439200 minutes or 21124800 - 26352000 seconds


enjoy the wait, for the wait will be long

>>56339340
rumors are that there is a limited release in october

>>56339254
AMD is such a piece of shit that not even zen will save it. Sandy bridge level of performance in 2016 LOL. I'll stick with quality, I'll stick with Intel.

>>56339352

The key word there is limited. I certainly doubt AMD will magic up enough of a supply for the common pleb (let alone motherboard manufacturers doing a run for this supposed limited release).

>>56339352
AM4 boards and Bristol Ridge (Excavator, i.e NOT ZEN) APU's get released then, not Zen.

>>56339254
It's shit because it includes AMD's Platform Security Processor, which like Intel's Management Engine is a US court ruling away from being a hardware back door.

>>56340924
It's only 1 backdoor.
Intel has numerous and Kaby Lake will have a hardware DRM protection too.

I will enjoy the price drop on i7s that zen will bring

And buy a i7 anyway

>>56340946
> Kaby Lake will have a hardware DRM protection too.

I just read about that...Intel is digging their own grave, everyone pirates
this will only drive people to use AMD cpu's

(I wish that was the case, the general populace is pretty dumb)

>>56339254
Getting real tired of AMD fanboys gushing over how amazing Zen is. Wait for fucking benchmarks, Jesus. Does anyone remember Piledriver?

>>56340946
>Intel has numerous
Source?

>a hardware DRM protection too.
Are you talking for videos and shit? If so they've been doing it for a while now with code that runs in the IME and I'm pretty sure AMD already does it with similar code running in their PSP. Everything is shit now days.

>>56339465
>let alone motherboard manufacturers doing a run for this supposed limited release
See >>56339659
Same motherboard for both. Zen probably won't be very available until January sometime but the motherboards will have hit the market long before then.

>>56341067
>This video engine also enforces anti-piracy DRM protections as required by the major studios. Hollywood bosses didn't want to stream 4K ultra high-def content from online clouds without mechanisms in place to thwart casual rippers, and so Intel gave the entertainment giants what they wanted.

>"There are hardware-based protection mechanisms to make the studios comfortable with sharing high-quality content to PCs for the first time," said Regis.

source: https://hardforum.com/threads/intels-unveils-7th-gen-intel-core-processor.1909469/

>>56341154
Intel's processors have supported HDCP for a while now, they're just rolling out support for the newest version of HDCP (which it is possible that they could backport it to their older processors). HDCP on all Intel processors runs in Intel's IME, there is nothing special about this new processor. As for AMD, their GPUs have supported HDCP for years now so it's extremely unlikely that they wouldn't implement HDCP 2.2 compatibility for their new processors. Welcome to the cyberpunk world of today where all new hardware development is controlled by corporations who want to squeeze as much money out of you as possible.

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>>56339254
>>56339352
No, there is no rumor about limited release in October. AMD's slide deck that got leaked last marched has October slated for "IP." That means final silicon is in production, not that its available to anyone.
AMD will probably ship some chips to OEMs in December, and they won't be available to purchase on the builder market until January or later.

That being said it'll show an average 40% IPC uplift over Excavator.
Thats more than a 60% uplift in IPC over Piledriver.
The design has no CMT penalty to multicore scaling will be significantly higher.
SMT increases throughput per core with no penalty aside from die area and transistors.
In well threaded workloads 8c/16 Summit Ridge should provide twice the throughput of 4m/8t Vishera. In things like Handbrake AMD should be competing against the top end of Haswell-E.

>>56340990
Piledriver is exactly what AMD said it would be.
Bulldozer is exactly what AMD said it would be.

Only fanboys read into statements and give themselves absolutely unrealistic expectations.

>>56339254
>its ocming out in a month and supposedly it competes with the best intel processors.

zen isn't until q1 2017 and it won't be competing with intel's latest CPUs. at best it will compete with sandy bridge, which will be 6 years old by then.

>>56341765
so how does it compare to intel?

>>56341765
>SMT increases throughput per core with no penalty aside from die area and transistors.

SMT is not free. You're sacrificing perf/watt to get that extra throughput, even Intel's implementation that they've had a decade to perfect still turns CPUs into housefires.

>>56341574
This, Intel already has HDCP 2.2 support updates for chipsets that support IME version 8 going back to 2012 (starting with firmware version 8.1.65.1568). This isn't some new thing and it wouldn't surprise me if AMD's Zen processors support it as well.

>>56341985
Its Excavator with a 40% IPC uplift, and no CMT penalty.
This is Excavator vs Sandy Bridge: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1684?vs=288

Excluding the particularly FPU heavy workloads Excavator isn't that far behind.
Handbrake, X264 bench, 7zip MIPS bench, POV-Ray, Cinebench R10 and 11.5, Excavator with 40% higher IPC would be competitive here core per core.
Zen will probably land around Ivy Bridge in average perf/clock, do better in some metrics, and worse in others because they still don't have an enormous FPU with wide data paths like intel does.


>>56341988
90% of SMT utilizes resources already in the core, those transistors spent on its dedicated hardware barely pull any power. Take an i7 and measure its power draw at load. Now disable HT in BIOS and do the same.
The difference is a couple of watts.

>>56339278
Where did you get one?

>>56342196
>90% of SMT utilizes resources already in the core, those transistors spent on its dedicated hardware barely pull any power. Take an i7 and measure its power draw at load. Now disable HT in BIOS and do the same.
>The difference is a couple of watts.

learn how SMT works before you shitpost. keeping parts of the core utilized that would otherwise be idle and unpowered when the CPU is stalled at some other stage definitely degrades perf/watt, you're losing something like 30-40% perf/watt on any modern intel cpu for a 20% perf gain in big workloads.

>>56341765

top kek AMDead shill everyone knows that zen is hot garbage, 14lpp being chink dogshit will destroy any potential it has

>>56339439
you forgot your ®'s Pajeet, I'm going to have to dock 3 rupees from your next paycheck.

>>56342315
>I have literally no idea what I'm talking about: The post
Its like you've never looked at a single review in your entire tech illiterate /v/irgin retard life. The difference in power delta between an i5 and i7 at equal clocks is only a couple of watts, and this includes the i7 having more cache active.

You're just talking out of your ass like a clueless underage kid.

>>56342358
>The difference in power delta between an i5 and i7 at equal clocks is only a couple of watts, and this includes the i7 having more cache active.

maybe if you keep the same clocks and voltage, but HT on every intel uarch since sandy bridge usually needs extra voltage and lower clock speed to keep the CPU stable. i've seen 2600k's that could do 5ghz at 1.325v with HT disable, then couldn't even do 4.7 at 1.4v with HT enabled.

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>>56339254
Obsolete.
Laugh at it while there's still time.

>>56341988
You should read up on Power8's SMT implementation. Two of the engineers AMD brought over for Zen's development were part of that IBM team.

>>56342636

That's even worse because POWER8's SMT implementation is more analogous to CMT (excess/shared resources packed into one core) than 'true' SMT (utilizing parts of the core that are idle when one thread is bottlenecked elsewhere).

>>56342657
All SMT shares certain parts of the core.
Stop trying to talk about things you don't understand.

>>56342691

the key word was 'excess'.

>>56339254
I'll buy it if it's better value for money for what I need than intel.

If you have used anything but intel in the last 10 years you are basically retarded

>>56342657
>That's even worse
Debatable. Power8's SMT implementation allows each core to use less power than a single Intel core for similar multithreaded performance. It is also said that Zen (or K12) may feature the variation of Power8's design that can further split each core into multiple threads for up to four threads per core, OR can share threads between two or more cores if demand allows.

>>56342726
>phenom 2

>>56342800
Zen most definitely isn't emplying SMT4, they most certainly aren't going to employ crazy clustered execution like VISC either.
The only practical examples of CSMT in the world are low clocked stuff created in FPGAs for academic study, or VISC's chips which are still very much in development.

>>56342892
AMD did say that they were working on a design inspired by VISC for a future product. Whether it's K12 or Zen or even this coming generation, I don't know. They are a major backer in the VISC project, so it stands to reason that they're working towards making VISC-like features (like the shared threads) a reality.

>>56342800
>>56342892
>>56342967
>the return of the reverse-hyperthreading meme

>>56342967
Back in like 2005~ AMD had a patent showing they were working on something similar. Companies however patent all kinds of impractical things they'll never use just so they can hold on to it for legal leverage.

It would be completely revolutionary if anyone actually got the concept to work to a degree usable in a consumer product without running at absurdly low frequencies or with horrid latency.

>>56343008
I'm fairly certain Zen will have an SMT feature that's more inline with Power8's design than Intel's. You don't poach brains at the start of a project and never put them to use.

However,
SINGLE
MEMORY
CHANNEL
PER
CLUSTER
Zen will be shit compared to all modern Intel CPUs in memory and cache performance. Count on that.

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>>56340958
the only real tactic

unless the zen actually proves itself worthy

>>56343043
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10591/amd-zen-microarchiture-part-2-extracting-instructionlevel-parallelism
>These two 8 MB caches are separate, so act as a last-level cache per 4-core module with the appropriate hooks into the other L3 to determine if data is needed.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10591/amd-zen-microarchiture-part-2-extracting-instructionlevel-parallelism/5
>This means that the true LLC for the entire chip is actually DRAM, although AMD states that the two CCXes can communicate with each other through the custom fabric which connects both the complexes, the memory controller, the IO, the PCIe lanes etc.

Stop regurgitating baseless bullshit already disproven.
The L3 is not isolated to a single CCX, they can all communicate. The memory channels sure as fuck aren't isolated either. This is the most laughably clueless tech illiterate FUD bullshit I've ever seen. Where the memory PHY are oriented on the die do not tell you how they're connected to anything.
Both memory PHY are connected on the BEOL to the IMC. The IMC is what interfaces with the core. There aren't two IMCs, and the IMC isn't arbitrarily partitioning memory between them.
AMD made it very clear that they have a coherent fabric connecting everything together that facilitates their scaling into MCMs. Isolated CCXs in a 4 die MCM would be pointless.

You're mindlessly regurgitating bullshit from Anandtech forum trolls. Quit spreading FUD or go slit your wrists open, kid.

>>56343149
Looks like the AIDF showed up again.
Desperate to cash in those AMD shekels, aren't you?

>>56343149

top kek dumb AMDrone not realizing that '''fabric''' is just a fancy word for saying 'hundreds of microseconds in latency'.

14LPP's poor performance and AMD's terrible '''modular''' design will come back to bite them in the ass when they finally lose the last few thousands customers they had.

>>56343176
>get proven wrong
>shitpost

>>56343177
Oh look, its the autistic NEET showing up yet again.

>>56343149
>Both memory PHY are connected on the BEOL to the IMC. The IMC is what interfaces with the core. There aren't two IMCs, and the IMC isn't arbitrarily partitioning memory between them.

[citation needed]

AMD would be disabling the redundant controllers if this was the case, but we already know they aren't (and the fact that they're silent about making any statement about this would indicate that it's less than ideal for the average consumer).

>>56343208
>autistic NEET

The things we dislike most in others are the characteristics we like least in ourselves.

>>56343149
>they have a coherent fabric connecting everything together that facilitates their scaling into MCMs
>trusting AMD's words
I bet you gobbled up their bullshit about how their L2$ latency got better with Excavator because they literally shaved off half of their cache size to make up for their slow, shitty library. PROTIP: their cache latencies are EXACTLY the same as Piledriver, but now you only have half the cache available to you.
MUH PROGRESS
SHILL FOR THE HIGH SCORE FOR MUH LISA SUU

>>56339439
nice post pajeet

>>56343235
>asking for a citation on the basics of how wire interconnects work
>not understanding how a memory controller works
You're beyond retarded, NEET.
Orientation of structures on the FEOL have absolutely nothing to do with BEOL connections. Do you really think that each PHY around the circumference of a GPU is only feeding the ALUs immediately surrounding it? The PHY connect to the IMC, and the IMC is wired into all logic on the die.

You're a jobless subhuman, I'm a gainfully employed CAD designer. No amount of deflection will ever change how pathetic you are, low functioning autistic NEET.
You do nothing but shitpost and spread FUD. Every single thread its the exact same thing. All of your posts are exactly the same.

>>56343149

It's funny to see AMDrones making shit up in order to justify their bad purchasing decisions.

protip: buy skylake now while it's available before Intel fully gimps you losers when AMD folds in 6 months after Zen is revealed to be a complete disappointment.

>>56339254
Going to fuel my gaming PC makeover + Vega

>>56343320
>I'm a gainfully employed CAD designer
So you're a bottom-feeder then?
>2016
>not running your own business

>>56340958
This, AMD only exists as token competition. Cucks can buy their shitty products to help the actual masterrace stay afloat.

>>56340958

Hopefully they drop prices of the i5s too. They probably destroy zen as well.

>limited run
>beta testers
prove me wrong

>>56343351
Go on. Start calling everyone with a job a "wage cuck" now.
Its all you NEETs do.

>>56343320
>I'm a gainfully employed CAD designer.

so you draw blocks on a screen for a living? that's a skill that every 12 year old has these days. no wonder you're poor, you're literally less skilled than a minecraft playing child.

>Orientation of structures on the FEOL have absolutely nothing to do with BEOL connections. Do you really think that each PHY around the circumference of a GPU is only feeding the ALUs immediately surrounding it? The PHY connect to the IMC, and the IMC is wired into all logic on the die.

nice autism, i'm still waiting for a source instead of your unqualified opinion and unfounded assumptions about amd's cpu designs.

>>56343367
A Core i3-6100TE will BTFO any Zen

>>56343374
No seriously, if you're so smart then why don't you own your own business. Shit is like the easiest thing to do.

>>56343320

GMI is per-die not per-complex you idiot. There is an IMC paired with each CCX that is linked through the GMI. One complex can probably use another's controller but would come at a big latency cost.

Cant wait for Another Massive Dissappointment :^)

reminder that literally the only thing keeping AMD afloat is buttcoin miners buying their shit in droves and inflating their sales.

>>56343323
let me translate this post from shill to english

>"I didn't understand any of this shit better play damage control"

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>>56339352
Which year?

>>56343387
>>56343388
I don't think I've ever seen worse examples of the Dunning-Krueger effect in the wild.

>>56343492
I own my own small business and I turn a profit no matter what I do. Even when I make losses, I still turn a profit, sometimes more than what I'd earn in the same quarter. Know your place, wagecuck.

>>56339254
>IT
>WILL
>FLOP

>>56343410
GMI are the external links used to connect multiple dies together.
Connecting multiple dies together would yield no benefit if the CCXs per die could not communicate with high bandwidth and low latency.
Two independent memory channels would require an absurd amount of copying back and forth for one CCX to see what was in the other's address space. It would be a more complicated solution, and completely illogical. More so theres literally no evidence for it whatsoever, and it flies directly in the face of what AMD has said and shown about their core arch.

Its amazing how you retards take forum troll speculation as gospel so long as it paints AMD in a negative light. I wouldn't be surprised if you or one of the other childish faggots ITT was Shintai posting here.

>>56339254
I think it's not out yet and we have no idea how good or bad it is.

>>56343565
>so long as it paints AMD in a negative light
Nigga, AMD has been painting themselves in a negative light for years thanks to Bulldozer. Why should we trust them when their budget is only a tenth of that of Intel and a third of that of Nvidia, their manpower is a fraction of both Intel and Nvidia, and they have consistently failed to live up to their performance expectations and long term support (RIP DX11 users)

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>>56343479
>hur dur housefire
>posts a processor with 95 watt TDP
>doesn't post AMD's full retard 220 watt TDP FX-9590

>>56342803
This. They held a very nice price/performance ratio for a good amount of time, especially if you were building any rig under ~$400. Also, getting an x2 and unlocking 1-2 cores made Phenom II a no-brainer.

Today, the ball is in Intel's court though unless you're making an utter shitrig. Even if you save in the short-run building an AMD machine today, you're gonna pay out the ass in electricity. I hope AMD does well with ZEN just to light a fire under Intel's ass for once.

>>56343565
>Two independent memory channels would require an absurd amount of copying back and forth for one CCX to see what was in the other's address space.

it's AMD. they will just expect everyone to write software to conform to their boneheaded design choices instead of making a CPU that is properly designed.

>>56343681
Zen's primary target is the enterprise market. You're sitting here insisting that they've created something(which is totally baseless) that would inordinately harm their positioning in the enterprise market.
The notion of the Summit Ridge die having two single memory channels instead of having dual channel is literally forum trolling from habitual shitposters. Its based on literally nothing. Yet here you are carrying on as if its fact.

>>56343750

I never stated it as fast, I said that it would be expected from AMD as they are consistently incompetent.

>>56343524
you again. making fursuits yet?

>>56343750
from the look of it, Zen is targeting multiple markets. at least that's what I got from the whole "arch scales from 4w notebook chips to 32 core server CPUs" spiel.

>>56344146
Thats the Raven Ridge APU that a slide showed would scale from 4w to 35w mobile SKUs. In terms of volume sold and profit margins AMD is never going to displace intel when it comes to OEM shipments for consumer laptops. Intel has too much value added on top. Sell enough intel chips and they give away steeply discounted SSDs, or flat out hand over free CPUs to manufacturers.

AMD themselves stated that they don't see desktop PCs as a significant growth market for themselves. Enterprise is their biggest potential source of new income, thats where they're focused.

I expect Zen to be sandy tier with more cores.

I guess it will be 15% slower than the current intel at better/same price and with more cores

>>56345259
source?

>>56345328
>asking for a source on a guy's predictions
Seriously?

>>56339254
Twice as many cores as closest Intel competitor however with about 10% less performance. So in short it will still be 5 years behind Intel on single thread performance.

>>56345422
Its competing against 6-8 core Haswell-E and Broadwell-E.
Summit Ridge isn't a mainstream chip. You'd be crazy to think it would compare against the less threaded and stupidly high clocked Skylake and Kaby Lake chips.

If I had to eyeball it without knowing anything I'd say it will be around the level of an old i5 for singlethreaded but also cost nearly as much and still won't be able to be clocked as high as an Intel chip
When they go for round 2 and make it cheaper, and less voltage new Intel chips will leave it behind

>>56345422

>Twice as many cores as closest Intel competitor however with about 10% less performance

If power draw isn't insane you can be sure as fuck such a chip would make Intel sit up and pay attention. Servers, datacentres and whatnot would lap that shit up in a heartbeat and thats where the real money is.

>>56345504
>>56345468
This is what AMD have been saying for the past decade. In the end everyone will be disappointed when they realize history will just repeat itself again. I really want AMD to bring a top notch CPU ahead of Intel at a good price point. But the last time that happened was like 16 years ago.

>>56339254
>its ocming out in a month
Isn't it coming out in 2017? Wtf?

>>56345504
Intel isn't too terribly worried about AMD's consumer offerings.
For HEDT they're still sitting in a near untouchable position. Their i7E chips carry a 140w TDP over Summit Ridge's 95w TDP, but they're targeting much higher turbo frequencies, and still have absolute FPU supremacy.

The top most enterprise SKUs is where AMD stands to actually threaten intel, though the volume these chips move is up for debate.
Intel's 24c/48t Xeon E7 8890v4 has a price tag over $7,000. Its their top billed Xeon offering more throughput in a single die than anything else they make.
AMD is offering a 4 die MCM Opteron with 32c/64t and it has 8 memory channels instead of the 4 intel provides with their Xeons.
AMD's advantage here is that they don't have to pay for the low yields of a huge monolithic die, so their profit margins could be higher than intels, or the chips could be priced lower.
A 2 socket system with 128 threads at $5000 per socket would be ridiculously compelling vs the competition.

If you weren't doing heavy FPU ops then the AMD system might just come out on top.

>>56345583
>This is what AMD have been saying for the past decade
No, it actually isn't.
AMD positioned their Zambezi and Vishera FX chips against mainstream i5s and i7s. Their proposition was
>Hey, we can match this i7 in certain metrics, and actually out perform the i5 in threaded stuff. Also its only $195.

They even explicitly stated that they weren't targeting the HEDT market with their BD derivatives anymore because they flat out couldn't compete there.

>>56345638

>Intel isn't too terribly worried about AMD's consumer offerings.

There is a reason why AMD isn't really targetting consumers aggressively with zen - its a dying market (though still worth a lot of money) and taking Intel head-on there is pointless. Mobile chips (especially with the onboard gpu advantage AMD has) are a area where AMD can entice OEMs.

As you say enterprise is where AMD will act most aggressively.

>>56345355
His ass got it

NOT

COMPETITIVE

>>56339659
I don't suppose AM4 will have AM3+ support at all

>>56346112
It won't. AM4 is said to use µOPGA config with 1331 pins (pins still on CPU instead of motherboard) and northbridge and southbridge integrated on the CPU. Motherboard manufacturers will like this

>>56346089
Competitive is a marketing term with no concrete meaning.
20% less performance at 25% less price could be considered competitive.
5% more performance at 10% more price could be competitive.

>>56346112
No way. AM4 is a much larger socket, way more pins. AM3+ pinout wouldn't be able to interface with it.

>>56346240
>not LGA
THANK YOU BASED AMD

>>56346240
>>56346278
eh well
looks like I'll be chugging along on my oldass Biostar until we get something solid then

>>56346278
>AM4 is a much larger socket, way more pins
Physically it should be around the size of AM3, pin diameter has been reduced and more densely packed. I'm afraid it will be shit easy to bend

>>56346240
>thinking an SoC design is a good thing
I bet my clitoris that Zen will have a shitty stock frequency and a pathetic sub 3.0GHz boost clock in order to maintain its alleged sub 125W TDP.

>>56346513
Same energy per clock as Excavator.

>>56346549
You missed my point. An SoC-style integrated north/southbridge smashes all the heat-generating parts into a single die package. You're not going to get anything higher than 3.5GHz out of an overclocked Zen.

>>56346623
Your pointless laughably ignorant. NB on die didn't harm any APUs.
NB and FCH on die didn't harm Carrizo/Bristol Ridge.
Sure as hell doesn't negatively impact any intel designs either.

The components in question barely pull any power compared to switching logic.

>AMD claims Poolaris has a normal TDP and not their usual housefire shit
>ends up getting hot and loud as fuck and kills motherboards

I wonder how much of a disaster Zen's going to be.

>>56346672
>NB and FCH on die didn't harm Carrizo/Bristol Ridge
Yes it did. The X4 845 can't go higher than 4.0GHz before its peak temperatures goes into uncomfortable temperatures and the voltages required to get that high is uncomfortable, even for AMD chips (1.45-1.48V just to reach 4.0GHz). The SoC design is optimized for mobile devices and laptops because it takes up less room than a CPU+SB arrangement, but it also ends up forcing the design to limit its clock rate to prevent poor thermal behaviors. The same shit happened with the Athlon 5350 and the Atom C2750/2550, once you started hitting high frequencies, the temperatures started rising beyond acceptable levels.

>>56339254
I predict that Zen will be disappointing to enthusiasts but just barely good enough to compete with some of the Xeon market and piss off Intel.

> see you guys in like 5 or 6 months

>>56346706
polaris does draw 150w

when you drop the stock voltage because its so damn high

>>56346761
Carrizo is a 28nm HPP part. It is a cheap, generic process.
Kaveri used a custom process design to scale higher in clocks. The SHP process was an expensive investment, and AMD stopped using it.

Neither one of these chips has the ability to clock like the Vishera FX line, and it has nothing to do with NB logic being present. The process itself limits clocks. IBM's 32nm PD-SOI intentionally trades off leakage for high clocks. Neither 28nm process has the same properties.

>>56346788
>IBM's 32nm PD-SOI intentionally trades off leakage for high clocks
And guess what Samsung's 14nm process is aimed at? Trading clocks for lower leakage

>>56346816
Good job pointing out the obvious?
Zen Opterons aren't going to be clocked high, just like Xeons aren't.
The big 32c Opteron will probably be clocked about 2.4ghz.

That has literally nothing to do with the point you were trying to argue, which is completely wrong. NB and SB logic on die isn't impacting clocks. Are you even capable of making one cohesive argument or are you just shitposting like an autism spectrum case whose brain is too malformed to properly communicate ideas?

>inb4 it's worst than sandy bridge

it's gonna be fuckin nothing and won't be released until you're dead

>>56343353
Here's your (you)

>>56346860
intel has a high clocked xeon sku with low cores. this is opposite amd's strategy which is high power high frequency for their high end.

>>56346917
Intel has ONE high clocked Xeon model, and it consumes more power than their 24c Xeons.

>>56346860
>NB and SB logic on die isn't impacting clocks.
How much you want to bet, "bro"? Zen will not have a base clock speed higher than 3.0GHz for the eight-core model and will not be able to reach 3.7GHz even with a "golden" sample. Six core models will stop at 3.5GHz. Its performance WILL be overshadowed completely by Broadwell-E and Skylake-E.
All because they decided to put the SB and NB onto the same die.

I own a Xeon-D1520, an Atom C2550, an Athlon 5350 (which IS overclockable on ASUS motherboards, but can NOT reach 2.7GHz because it hits it Tmax by ~2.6GHz on a good day), and a Pentium J2900. I've messed around with the J2900 and Atom C2550 (when ASRock's BIOS accidentally allowed some base clock adjustments). Even with nigger-rigged aftermarket coolers, they can't even hit 3.0GHz without shitting the bed. If only I could adjust the voltage, I might have been able to cook those things to death.

>>56346887
>thinking anything but the price matters
under cut enough and theres a big market for cheap renders

>>56346917
Intel has one or two oddball SKUs.
The majority of E5 and E7 Xeons are many cores with clocks around 2ghz to 3ghz.

>>56346932
The process, variant chosen, and the architecture itself determine how a chip clocks. The NB and SB logic on die is not a significant factor whatsoever. Pointing to this absurdly small segment of the uncore which barely pulls any power and claiming that *this* will limit clocks is so beyond stupid I can't take you seriously. You might as well claim that having an integrated memory controller limits clocks too.

I'd bet Vegas money you are full blown Asperger's.

>>56340989
I've never seen hardware DRM work... does it?

>>56346994
>integrated memory controller limits clocks
But it does, you complete fucking neckbeard.

>4-15 watt Gayby Lake notebooks released in December

guess AMD can forget the mobile market

>>56347018
Maybe back in the fucking Nehalem/Phenom(II) era when it and the Uncore were locked together, but not in this fucking day when everything has its own power plane and clock domain.

> Guys just wait for Zen II

I can hear it already

>>56347016
I forgot how HDCP was implemented, I could have sworn that it relied on a physical circuit instead of software alone.
ARM also has a hardware DRM module they made for the MPAA.

>>56347018
Confirmed barely functional Asspie.

>>56341988
>your CPU is computing more shit in the same unit of time and as such runs hotter
Yeah no shit, did you know that a CPU runs cooler when idling than when it is under load? Totally mindblowing.

>>56347080
I swear this is the one man
AMD has been winding up real hard, they're ready to send it out of the park man
you'll eat those words man

>>56347080
It started over a year ago.
AMD confirmed the Zen+ core was well under way in May of 2015. Separate teams are working on successive designs so they're always leap frogging each other.
Zen+ parts in 2018.

>>56347800
and yet their latest cycle for mainstream CPUs has been what, four years?

>>56347862
Yeah the Vishera FX 8350 came out October 2012, about 4 years ago now.

>>56347763
t. anon circa 2011

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intel btfo

this gpu does it all, you dont even need a fucking cpu anymore it just does it all

it literally just works, just plug it into the wall and it'll do everything

>>56341947
You misspelled broadwell.

>>56339439

thank you pajeet shekelstein

>>56343750
>Zen's primary target is the enterprise market.
That sounds awfully familiar.

>Bulldozer's primary target is the enterprise market.

If they keep thinking like that they will have neither market. Not like they have any currently.

>>56350023
The original Bulldozer core talked about in 2005 was server oriented, the arch AMD ended up releasing sure as hell was not.
It was a far cry from everything it was originally meant to be.
Certain server workloads like shown in Apache bench are simply one of the only things the chips excelled at. That isn't what was aimed for at inception.

AMD's Piledriver based Opterons are only dual die MCMs. 8 modules/16 thread max. With Ivy Bridge intel released 15c/30t Xeons.
Even with Sandy Bridge intel had 8c/16t Xeons that were a fraction of the power usage.

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>>56343610
>long term support
Are you retarded?
AMD has supported there old GPUs FAR better than what Nvidia has done to the point that the 7970 (a GTX 680 competitor) is going against the 780ti in new games. Never regretted an "upgrade" more than moving from the 7970 to 780ti.

Fuck off shill.

>>56350137
And we all know how that ended. Namely in AMD being reduced to ~10% desktop/server market share.

>>56343610
>AMD has been painting themselves in a negative light for years thanks to Bulldozer.
Bulldozer did what AMD said it would do, and they somehow made it competitive in AIO and laptops
>Why should we trust them when their budget is only a tenth of that of Intel and a third of that of Nvidia, their manpower is a fraction of both Intel and Nvidia
Because even though they're a small company in comparison to Intel/Nvidia they still compete with them, and have beaten them more than once
>and they have consistently failed to live up to their performance expectations and long term support (RIP DX11 users)
They haven't, are you talking about Intel abandoning driver support for their iGPU's a few months after launch until Ivy Bridge? Or about Nvidia having their previous gen TOTL cards getting BTFO'd by the lowest end of their current gen?
AMD has never stated performance they won't reach, fanboys and shills have always over hyped everything they do
>>56344146
Zen's main target it's getting back the Opteron dosh they had when they launched their magny core chips, everything else is value added on top
>>56343369
You forgot
>december
>>56345638
>For HEDT they're still sitting in a near untouchable position. Their i7E chips carry a 140w TDP over Summit Ridge's 95w TDP, but they're targeting much higher turbo frequencies, and still have absolute FPU supremacy.
Pretty much this, HEDT wise AMD won't be able to match Intel until at least Zen+

>>56347082
Play content legally on your computer record it with a screen capture device. Upload to the piratebay. I understand drm for software but for static media it literally makes no sense.

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>>56350249
>Bulldozer did what AMD said it would do
You must be over 18 to post here.

>>56350519
hownew.ru

>>56350545
>look mom I'm projecting

>>56350561
See
>>56350519

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>>56350597
Here's your reply. 24MB L3 cache. If you weren't underage b& and were on /g/ during that time, you'd know what I'm talking about.

>>56346672
wrong

>>56350615
>fanboy hype
Can you read at all?

>>56350638
Thanks for exposing yourself.

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>>56345638
>AMD's advantage here is that they don't have to pay for the low yields of a huge monolithic die
I'm pretty sure the thing will still be fabbed as 1 piece and then cut to bits as yields require to produce lower end products. Like unless you're telling me they'll have the interconnect/uncore bullshit and CPU cores on separate wafers.

Intel doesn't necessarily fab processors as a huge monolithic entity either, here's the E5 V3 diagram, you can see that they all start out as 18 core processors and then get sliced down until only 8 cores are left. And of those up to 4 get disabled as required by yields.

It's not like AMD is magically going to get nice yields either. Those 32 core units are still going to be colossal and complex processors.

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>>56350679
Can your pointless guess work.

AMD has one high end CPU die.
The Opterons are all MCMs that utilize this one single die.
The 32c/64t part is a 4 die MCM.

Exactly as I stated, AMD does not have to pay for the low yields that intel does by fabbing one large monolithic die for their 24c/48t Xeon E7 8890v4.

>>56350716
Sounds like shit latency.

>>56339254
Intel will bankrupt in 2017

>>56350749
They aren't using Hypertransport or any derivative, they have a new high bandwidth low latency fabric.
Latency between dies was never an issue in the past, and it sure as hell isn't going to be now.

>>56350830
>they have a new high bandwidth low latency fabric
And it's still slow crap compared to NVLink+IBM
AMD BTFO all year every year

>>56350749
MCM has already worked great in the magny core Opteron's
>>56350850
>completely unrelated things
Just go back to shitposting on Anand senpai

>>56350830
Kinda was with Pentium 4 tho? Even hcc Xeon have kinda high latency. Maybe it doesn't matter, but it's probably gonna be bad.

>>56350716
>The 32c/64t part is a 4 die MCM
>implying it's not a two-part die
>implying that you're not full of shit

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>all this techno psychobabble conjecture

>U DMB FKN NEET IR SMART

>fk u Intel/AMD shall rise!

>>56350915
This AMD shill is really trying his hardest to throw acronyms and letters in the vain attempt to sound like he knows what he's talking about. But he's gotten several key features of Zen wrong or misinterpreted the reasons behind the design changes. He's just your average autistic neckbeard with a superiority complex.

>>56350880
>I'm just pulling things out of my ass because I'm a butthurt tech illiterate retard
Thats nice.


What you see there is it. 2 CCXs, 2 GMI links, IO, memory PHY, and the rest of the uncore. They don't fab this as a 4 CCX part then cut it in half. The consumer Summit Ridge dies are all potential Opteron candidates that didn't make the cut for the strict leakage and clock binning.
32c parts are quad die MCMs.

Single dies have dual channel memory.
Dual die MCMs have quad channel.
Quad die MCMs have octa channel, providing the "disruptive bandwidth" that Papermaster spoke of for their upcoming enterprise offerings.

>>56350927
Again, I'm going to reiterate: you don't know what you're talking about because you can't.

>>56350938
Sounds like you're the same butthurt tech illiterate retard who claimed there wouldn't be any 32c parts.
Then the very same day AMD demoed their 32c parts:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10581/early-amd-zen-server-cpu-and-motherboard-details-codename-naples-32cores-dual-socket-platforms-q2-2017

Matter of fact, I guarantee you're that exact same little dumb faggot kid.
How can you manage to be so laughably dumb and wrong all the time?

>>56350951
1) Not the person you're talking about. You clearly have some issues.
2) You do not know what you're talking about because you can't know what you're talking about.
You can keep guessing and acting like your word is truth, but at the end of the day, you're still guessing (sometimes right, but mostly wrong). Stop acting like hot shit, you don't work for AMD (at least their engineering department).

>>56350974
No, you're that exact same dumbass.
They're quad die MCMs. Its not a coincidence that each die has two GMI links.
Why don't you take up a tripcode to highlight your stupidity?

>>56350995
You should honestly see a therapist.

>>56351010
>butthurt shitposting from the little faggot kid who can't stop being wrong

>>56351016
You must be a Trump voter. I don't talk to Trump voters. Good day.

>>56351030
>completely unrelated thing just to SHUT IT DOWN
Are you an actual Intel executive?

>>56351055
No, a government contractor who evaluates and tests specific products from all vendors.

>>56351030
>hurr this thing isn't that way!
>my baseless shitposting is more valid than your informed statements!
>hurrrf you should see a therapist because you keep proving me wrong
>I-i-i ummm, I-i bet you're a Trump supporter

The desperation of a clueless tech illiterate retarded backed into a corner in just a few short posts.

>>56351055
Hes just some autist. I'd dig through the archive and find his posts but its not worth the few seconds it'd take.
I've been posting all the information gained from leaked ES chips, Linux kernel patches, and Linkdin profile scouring. Basically everything covered in Dresdenboy's blog articles, and everything we've been discussing on Anand. This same autistic dipshit shows up and just says
>hurr you're wrong
>there won't be any 32c Opterons
>you can't know that
>hurrf

Then gets butthurt and cries like a baby about it.

>>56351062
Ooh nice. Butthurt little kid lying to try and give himself authority in an argument. That never ever happens on 4chan.

>>56351062
So a welfare monkey, basically

>>56351093
>I'd dig through the archive and find his posts but its not worth the few seconds it'd take
And that would be impossible because I haven't posted on /g/ until this morning and this thread just twenty minutes ago.
For fucks sake, I haven't even been on 4chan until last week. You really are the cesspool of the internet. Christ why do I even bother.

Enjoy whatever pathetic life you have feeling superior over what's amounts to nothing but hardcore guesswork. If you actually knew anything about Zen (and this is how I can personally tell that you don't know anything), you would be under an NDA.

>>56341765
zen will shit wreck everyone.
believe it.

IPC is looking good, only thing that worries me is that the sample they showed only managed 3 ghz.

While intel is running their I7's with boosts up to 4.5 ghz out of the box (kaby lake).

It could be the consequence of them moving to the 14nm process just now, while intel has perfected their process for some time now.

I hope they can at least manage decent clock speeds and oc ability out of the box and bring prices on i7's down.

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>>56351125
>even more butthurt shitposting from the tech illiterate retarded kid
http://dresdenboy.blogspot.com/2016/02/amd-zeppelin-cpu-codename-confirmed-by.html
http://dresdenboy.blogspot.com/2016/02/new-amd-zen-core-details-emerged.html
http://dresdenboy.blogspot.com/2016/05/first-amd-summit-ridge-wafer-spotted.html
http://dresdenboy.blogspot.com/2016/08/some-zen-leaks-es-clocks-pci-info.html
http://dresdenboy.blogspot.com/2016/08/some-last-chance-pre-hot-chips.html

Oh look at all that hot and juicy NDA classified information. If only I were a government contractor who knows these things!

Pretty much every thing we(the collective we) gleamed about the Zen core arch over the past year was confirmed by AMD during their HotChips presentation and associated press event.
You're a dumb shit little kid, lying on the internet because you talked out of your ass to someone who knows far more than you, and is far more intelligent than you. I bet you're a 14 year old kid, or some 3rd world retard shitposting out of Brazil.

>>56343672
>pay out the ass in electricity
>implying $25 extra a year is """"paying out the ass""""

>>56351168
I haven't said anything other than some of the things you said were right, others are flat out wrong. I don't have to tell you anything more than that. Enjoy the rest of your night.

>>56351200
100% confirmed you are the exact same autist who claimed there wouldn't be any 32c parts.
Why would you show up in a thread just to try and argue with people smarter than you are, then lie through your teeth?

http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S56149579#p56157896
http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S56149579#p56158090

These *are* your posts, you dumb shit lying kid.

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>>56351230
I give it a couple more days before he comes back, says the same things, then claims hes a totally different person.

>>56351252
I give him until the next Zen thread which will probably pop up within 8 hours

>>56351230
I don't see an IP attached to that post history, how do you even know if it's the same person? Are you using an extension? Are you snooping him?

Are all of you guys like this? The Trump supporters do the same fucking thing with the dumbest posts and the strangest assumptions. Not even reddit is this bad. They weren't lying about you people.

I'm not going to make any claims about Zen other than it's coming out. You got some things right, others wrong or misunderstood. I think I've had my fill of this site for good.

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>>56350195
Let me tell you how that is bullshit
I have crossfire HD6950's which are "legacy" the last driver update they had was a beta crimson driver back in March. I also have a GTX460 which released 5 months before the 6950 and is still getting updates. In fact it got one fucking yesterday.

>>56351178
$25 extra a year is paying out the ass if you're such a poorfag that you're reduced to building an AMD rig today.

>>56351339
>y-y-you're a Trump supporter!
>stop proving me wrong all the time
Its amazing that you just can't stop lying. No need to pretend like you're a different anon. I know for an absolute fact that those are your posts. You're the same person.
I wouldn't need any tools regardless. You matter of factly were wrong about something, you were pretending like you were withholding some secret information, then you tried to gracefully back away while giving yourself a phony air of authority. Exact same behavior every time. Thats your MO as a shitposting lying child. Legit autism spectrum cases typically do this in an argument.

A reasonable person wouldn't lie while pretending they were in a position of authority to have exclusive knowledge.
A reasonable person wouldn't lie about what they've said in the past.
A reasonable person would just admit when they were wrong and talking out of their ass.
You however are not a reasonable person, you're a habitual liar with the exact same pattern to your posts every time you show up.

I make no claim to have access to inside sources or to be under NDA. Everything I (and we) manged to get is scoured from sources that are openly shared and discussed.
Thats exactly why I so confidently stated that there would be 32c/64t Opterons. Because I knew that for a fact.

So, little autist. How are you going to keep defending yourself now? Still clinging to that lie about being a special little government contractor?
I might just dig through your complete post history and see what else you've fibbed about.

>>56347103
Interesting, do you have a shred proof to back up that claim?

>>56339439
>Sandy bridge level of performance in 2016 LOL. I'll stick with quality, I'll stick with Intel.
Funny just how much those two things go hand in hand :^)

>>56339439
Intel is such a piece of shit that not even kaby lake will save it. Sandy bridge level of performance in 2016 LOL. I'll stick with quality, I'll stick with IBM Power9.

>>56352507

Only correct post in this thread.

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>>56339254
>and then write a letter to intel saying i wont buy from them because they are a SJW company
Yeah. Write a letter to Intel telling them you chose a company owned by Saudi Arabis, run by a chink and with a large number of indian employee. I'm sure Intel will cry.

>>56339340
>january is 8-10 months away
Okay

>>56352507
> I'll stick with IBM Power9.
You say it as a meme but pretty much everyone with serious computing needs is jumping on that cloud dick right now.

Desktop workstations are a thing of the past.

>>56339352
>rumors
>it's from wccftech
You dumb motherfucker.

I read today somewhere that zen would only support win10. Why would they do this?

Well I run linux almost everywhere so I'm not that worried. But shitty move if true.

>>56353114
>I read today somewhere that zen would only support win10. Why would they do this?
Microsoft only supports Zen on Windows 10.

>>56353165

Same for skylake iirc (but certainly for kaby lake onwards).

>>56353321
Only Microsoft is to blame.

>>56353575
>vs 5 year old pc
wow! what a comparison!

>>56353575

Just how does Intel continue to leap head with performance!?

>>56353114
>Why would they do this?
lie on the internet? for fun, I guess
zen will run your x86 and x86_64 code

it's up to your OS to support your processor, not the other way around

>>56343149
where can i learn all these abbreviations and shit

i have no idea what this post is saying

>>56354594
Like my its up to my os to support gpus. Yeah, thanks to reverse-engineered drivers, my display works with 1024*768 resolution and no 3d acceleration.

Oh wait, could the manufacturers offer drivers themselves?

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>>56351358
Slapping a new label on a driver doesn't make it a new driver. 5 years is a perfectly acceptable legacy support cycle. Unlike Nvidia who moves cards to legacy support after 2 years.

AMD's PSP (protection engine) is only in use on their APUs, right? That means zen doesn't have integrated spying and denial, right?

>>56355188
CPU drivers don't exist.

>>56355855
Used on all processors. Except maybe enthusiast processors, I recall hearing somewhere that those lacked it, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The same guys who complain about Intel ME hate AMD with a burning passion.

>>56355819
Nvidia doesn't have "legacy support". They have either cards that receive driver updates or cards that don't, same as AMD. Only difference is that nvidia gives updates to older cards than AMD. The ones that do get updates also get fixes and new features. Same as AMD.

>>56347862
It's pretty much always roughly four years. When AMD was shitwrecking intel it was because like every CPU manufacturer they planned their architectures and their successors well in advance since it takes a fuckton of time until the first design hits silicon. If they only improved their designs after they hit silicon you'd only see improvements every four years. By the time AMD released shitdozer and realised it's shit the cat was already out of the bag. They already had designed pileshit and excashitter and started working on Zen as soon as they knew Bulldozer is shit. So the only thing they could do in the meantime is sell their crappy products in the hope Zen will compe out before their bankruptcy.

>>56356263

>Only difference is that nvidia gives updates to older cards than AMD.

Its worth pointing out this support is just critical bug and security fixes - not performance optimisations.

>>56356263
>Nvidia doesn't have "legacy support".
The legacy drivers get second-rate support on GNU/Linux, meaning you're often stuck with older kernels or Xorg versions.

AMD drivers don't have this problem.

>>56342800
Apparently SMT becomes increasingly less useful past 2 threads per core. There's simply not enough resources available to make use of that many threads. With 2 threads you can use the second thread when the first one is tied up but these situations don't happen often enough to utilize that many threads.

>>56356865
Performance optimizations too, but they are per-game basis and can be insignificant depending on architecture. Unlike AMD which has a single architecture, Nvidia supports tons of them.

Nvidia doesn't really have lots of untapped performance left in their cards anyway, their drivers have been well optimized for years now. Unlike AMD who is running their hardware at maybe 60-80% capacity outside of Mantle/DX12/Vulkan.

>>56356909
Don't know anything about AMD/Nvidia Linux drivers. I know only that Intel chips have good open-source driver support in Linux. It seems like a really stupid idea to use nvidia or AMD card on Linux unless you're gaming, but even then it's probably better to PCI-E pass-through the card to a Windows VM.

>>56343479
>have 6300 with EVO 212
>idles at 11c
>30 under load
well memed

>>56357060
What's it like living in an iglu?

>>56357028
>Don't know anything about AMD/Nvidia Linux drivers. I know only that Intel chips have good open-source driver support in Linux. It seems like a really stupid idea to use nvidia or AMD card on Linux unless you're gaming, but even then it's probably better to PCI-E pass-through the card to a Windows VM.
AMD recently open sourced the kernel part of their drivers and submitted them into the mainline kernel. Only the user space part is proprietary now, but AMD is also contributing to an open alternative for that.
You can now already play many 3D games with a 100% open AMD graphics stack.

>>56357099
>AMD recently open sourced the kernel part of their drivers and submitted them into the mainline kernel.
The kernel part of amdgpu is based on the existing radeon DRM drivers that were already in the kernel. The userspace part is based on the catalyst shit that previously required the fglrx kernel module(complete ass).

AMD merged the open radeon team with the fglrx kernel module team and had them modify catalyst so it could use the radeon DRM infrastructure rather than the proprietary kernel module.

>>56356909
>The legacy drivers get second-rate support on GNU/Linux, meaning you're often stuck with older kernels or Xorg versions.

you can just use dkms or nouveau, alternatively if you actually have such an old card you could probably get a supported card for less than $50 now since the oldest supported cards are 400 series which is ~7 years old now.

>>56355819
>Unlike Nvidia who moves cards to legacy support after 2 years.

nice FUD, NVIDIA is actually still supporting first gen dx11 cards whilst AMD dropped support for theirs literally years ago.

>>56343557
Yes but how many times will it flop per second?

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>>56357290

Yeah about that anon.

>>56355819
Look at the picture thats what not slapping a new label on a driver gets you

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>>56357290
Yeah that is why my 780ti is struggling to pull 50% of the performance of it's launch competitor the 290x. Fuck off shill.

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>>56357569

yeah i doubt you own a 780ti, a stock one even shits on a 290x at higher resolutions.

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>>56357622

>BF3

W1zzard please go and stay go. Meanwhile in 2016 things look different.

>>56355855
>>56355995
Zen will have the PSP. Only reason for only APUs having it currently is that AMD hasn't released anything that wasn't an APU since they started releasing processors with the PSP. The current FX processors and anything else Piledriver based or earlier (including older APUs and Opterons) are safe. From what I've seen, the current high end FX processors also benchmark about the same as/just under (depending on whether you go with the full retard FX-9xxx series or not) a dual CPU build with old pre 2008 xeons that supposedly lack support for Intel's IME.

Cheap multi cores with decent performance.

Maybe not the best single core performance though.

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>>56357622
Kill yourself senpai

>>56358177
owch

>>56346771
price is everything here
I dont want to go from 4 core to 4 core and get jack shit of an upgrade outside of higher base clocks, im either getting a 6 core intel, or 8 core amd, depending on price point, if total cost of amd+motherboard is sub 200$ more than intel 6 core+motherboard, im getting amd, if its more ill likely go intel unless amd pulls some magic from its ass, like telling us zen+ is the same motherboard and i can straight upgrade to it, giving me a very enticing upgrade path.

>>56352540
they took 300 million out of education purposes due to gamergate getting intel to pull advertising from a game site, at least as far as I have looked into it, and as a knee jerk reaction due to sjw backlash, they put 300 million into sjw projects, one of them specifically named being feminist frequency.

I won't say this is a sole reason to go to amd, but it's like I just got a cake and told id also get icecream too.

>>56358177
>>56358270
kek

>>56355905
> what are chipset drivers

>>56355905
It depends on how you define driver.
Linux certainly has separate code paths for variants of x86_64 architecture CPUs.

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>>56343661
Leave you loli fag

>>56359623
STFU, that is Lain. Learn some goddamn respect, youngster.

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>>56343661
>>56359638
Being a neckbeard in mom's basement sucks huh?
>kys

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>>56359638
>Here's a (you)

>>56359330
i don't think that means what you think it means

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>>56354737
LLC = last level cache
CCX = core complex
IMC = integrated memory controller
MCM = multi chip module
PHY = physical layer or physical interface
FUD = fear uncertainty and doubt
DRAM = dynamic random access memory

FEOL = front end of line
BEOL = back end of line
Both of these refer to parts of a die and how its fabbed
The front end contains switching logic, its what you see when you look at a die shot like pic related.
The back end contains power delivery and signaling interconnects.

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>>56359623
>>56359672
>no argument

>>56359833

>PHY = physical layer or physical interface
>FUD = fear uncertainty and doubt
>DRAM = dynamic random access memory

One of these is not like the others.

>>56339254
>competes with intel
>hope
This is what AMD faggots actually believe

>>56358177
I can't wait till the successor to x99 comes out to decimate zen and destroy AMD & rape their employees

>>56360014
anon said FUD and those other things

>>56339254
It's not coming out in a month you fucking Intel shill. Fuck off and die.

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Come home, white man.

>>56361556
i seriously hope they have more people than that working on zen

>>56361556
Based Sikh helping AMD fight the computer processing Jew.

>>56351125
>For fucks sake, I haven't even been on 4chan until last week.
fuck off you fucking retarded pieces of shit go back to you containment board called reddit.

>have 2500k 4.6ghz
>not sure whether to get 6600k now or wait for zen/intels krabby thing
>started to do more rendering lately

A minimum of 600 for cpu/mobo/ram/cooler sadly.

>>56363251
>rendering on the cpu
>current year
your 2500k is ok i'd wait for kaby lake if i were you, unless you're doing serious productive work where the cpu upgrade now would pay for itself by the time kaby lake is out

>>56363341
I do work in premier and some projects are taking like 10 minutes to render.

>>56363251
If you need a rendering rig immediately, 4P Socket G34 rigs can be cheaply had that would get you a shitload of cores.
Alternatively, if you are willing getting a pair of ES Xeons with a shitton of cores and a suitable 2P board could net you a beastly rendering rig, although it will be more expensive.

>>56363380
Are any 16 core Vishera Opterons available for under $800 new yet?

>>56359672
Actually it is really nice when mom brings me my daily tendies.

>>56363554
New? Very likely no. Used? Sure.

>>56343851
Yeah, so making shit up.

>>56363806
I actually found these on Newegg. $700 for 16 cores.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113306

Newegg only has a single 4 socket G34 board though.