Who /TerminalForEverything/ here? Suggested applications:

>may get you a gf
I think I'll pass on this Terminal thing then.

>>56333937
Cute thread.

>>56333937
You will grow out of this meme, eventually. Terminal shit is clunky as fuck.

>>56334409
I find using a mouse to be an inefficient use of energy desu. I could open Alpine in half the time it takes me to reach over to my mouse, drag it to the Thunderbird icon, and click on the most recent unread email.

>>56333937
Youtube - MPS Youtube
4chan - ANSIchan

>>56333937
I do almost everything from my terminal, but... browsing the www from the terminal is a PITA
also, I'm too lazy to remember even more fucking shortcuts, so I just use konsole instead of screen/tmux

>>56333937
>press common key to be tracked
wow that's so fucking shady, it should be some key people don't press to dismiss messages

>>56333937
>Terminal Multiplexer
Why? Isn't that just replicating what tiling window manager already does

>>56333937
>This thread is to share text-based applications that you use for your daily tasks, and to share screenshots of your terminals.
so basically another desktop thread?

todocli - simple To Do lister
bc - calculator
https://github.com/jarun/googler

>>56336542

alias bc="python -i -c 'from math import *'"

fixed that for you

>>56336542

alias todocli="emacs -eval '(org-agenda-list)'"

>>56333937
Might be the wrong thread, but I hate Gnome Do. Anyone have alternatives?

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>>56333937
>2016
>using gui to configure your router

>>56333937
file manager - ranger

>>56333937
IRC:
irssi - https://irssi.org/

Music player:
moc - http://moc.daper.net/

File Browser:
noice - http://git.2f30.org/noice/
ranger - http://nongnu.org/ranger/

Virtual terminals:
dvtm - http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/dvtm/

Better shell:
mksh - https://www.mirbsd.org/mksh.htm
zsh - http://www.zsh.org/

Archive extraction:
dtrx - https://brettcsmith.org/2007/dtrx/

More text editors:
kakoune - http://kakoune.org/
vis - https://github.com/martanne/vis

>>56337305
>Music player
>moc
I'd also suggest mpd+ncmpcpp

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4chan client when?

>>56337497
>2016
>not using mopidy

How do I edit images in Terminal?

>>56337619
http://www.fmwconcepts.com/imagemagick/

>>56336261
Yes and no. If youre only using it to manage terminal sessions, not much point if you're already using a tiling WM.

I use it in conjunction with neovim's embedded terminal emulator so I can keep my terminal sessions open after I close my text editor.

Neovim has pretty much become my window manager anyway now.

>>56333937
good thread, here are some I know of and am switching to as someone new to this

Emacs - https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

Midnight commander - https://www.midnight-commander.org/

Lynx - http://lynx.browser.org/

>>56337542
ANSIchan

i dont even install X or a de.
i just use the terminal as is.
the only way to really use linux.

>>56333937
Is there enough demand for continued development of text-based applications for things that are done commonly through guis? Do these projects get updated?

>>56337763
Is there any advantage using midnight-commander over Ranger, or are they essentially the same?

>>56338045
Web servers are typically run headless, so at least tools which lend themselves to administration will probably never see development stop.

I do alot of things in the terminal but web browsers is a step too far

OP is not a faggot today

>>56338042
It's certainly possible to get a good amount of use from an older computer this way.

>>56338190
It can be a better experience for a lot of websites. No ads, no annoying banners, no pop ups, everything is easy to read, etc.

>>56338068
Depend who you ask, I never really used MC that much and have never tried Ranger. But the reviews I glanced at seem to be something like

>Ranger is newer and better, about time someone made a replacement for MC

>MC is proven, reliable and still good. Ranger was made in Python, I mean Python really? What were they thinking?

How much is true and how much is just nostalgia I have no idea. But I personally don't see a reason to switch to Ranger, unless it has some new feature that make the switch worth it.

>>56338068
mc also has a text editor (mcedit) and a pager (mcview) similar to less.
ranger has much better configurability though and the user interface is nicer, so personally I'd choose ranger

>>56333937
I use Linux, and I use a few text-based apps. I even use cmus on my Mac because nothing beats it. But Jesus fuck I grew a neckbeard the moment I saw this thread

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Terminal fetishist here

Is ncurses still shit to program around?

>>56333937
>Email clients
This is what I'm most interested in. I am guessing Mutt and Alpine are the most popular. Which should I choose in terms of functionality? I've used Alpine before and it does this weird thing where, after a while of use, it is unable to contact the server and it keeps adding 60 seconds to retry time and you need to kill your terminal window for it to stop. Mutt on the other hand, I find to be too ugly. It looks like it was crafted by Neanderthals in the Stone Age. I'm wishing there were more clients to choose from, and hopefully one as nice as a program like Ranger.

protip: if you want to get some serious nerd pussy let her see you being productive in the terminal

>>56334517
>>56338190
I usually fetch web pages from other sites by sending mail to a program (see git://git.gnu.org/womb/hacks.git) that fetches them, much like wget, and then mails them back to me. Then I look at them using a web browser, unless it is easy to see the text in the HTML page directly. I usually try lynx first, then a graphical browser if the page needs it (using konqueror, which won't fetch from other sites in such a situation).

>>56338351
Over the years, I have developed a fetish for terminals as well. I'm also partial to very old hardware.

>>56336261
Kinda. Tmux is a multiplexer for the terminal itself (multiple programs in one terminal) while a WM is multiple programs in one X session. Tmux isn't for X.

So, it's really only useful for using on the tty's or if you're autistic and don't want things to be separate windows.

>>56338505
Hi Richard

>>56338505
is that you, richard?

>browsing an imageboard in a terminal
You have a terminal case of retardation OP.

>>56338537
>or if you're autistic and don't want things to be separate windows.
It seems like a waste of space to have multiple terminals open when I can use tmux and switch between tasks from a single terminal. Makes me feel the same sort of discomfort I feel when someone rubs a piece of fabric against a more abrasive piece of fabric.

>>56338592
See, autistic.

It's still a use for it I suppose.

I just have titles turned off in my WM, personally

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>>56338505
>>56338572
This is the most autistic thread I've seen in a long time.

Good job, OP.

>>56338609
Titles and borders, that is

The question is: best terminal emulator?

I use terminator but I'm willing to change. I see a lot of people using different ones.

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>>56338537
>So, it's really only useful for using on the tty's

This is a fucking dumb statement. That's like saying gimp doesn't need a single window mode. If I had a new window for every terminal I'd have like 50 windows open.

Please kys now.

What's a good introduction to Linux command line stuff.

I've only used Mint and noob friendly versions of Ubuntu.

>>56338665
rxvt-unicode (URxvt)

>>56338665

urxvt

>>56338639
What WM do you use? I use i3. There was a time when there wasn't an option of completely removing i3's borders (unlike now with the new_window none config), but the way around this was to set the size of the borders to 1px. It looked very convincing and you couldn't really see a border, but knowing that it was still there would really bother me.

>>56338351
MODS MODS MODS

>>56338665
gnome-terminal is pretty good

I love the idea of mpd, and I love working with it, but I still miss actually having something like a queue I had in cmus or foobar. Sometimes I think of switching to cmus solely for it, but I really love the database of mpd (easy to add songs to the playlist, even entire albums of songs), its ability to stream youtube (even if the links expire in a couple hours, can queue something I want to listen to after the music ends) and the fact that I don't have to use external tmux-like stuff to make it a daemon (I mostly communicate with it through WM shortcuts, so I often don't even need a client, and tmux is probably a conceptually sturdy daemonising solution, but I don't want to install it just for that when I don't use it for anything else).
In fact, I actually patched my mpd to have something like a queue. It's conceptually simple (meaning, it fits into mpd well through simple alterations, not that it's actually a straight queue in any way), it works and is potentially pretty powerful, I think but it's clunky to work with (since it's not just a simple queue), and I have no idea how to fix that.
Also, ncmpcpp code is a nightmare to work with. Maybe it's just me, but I can't find anything in here. I can literally spend hours trying to figure out where some particular information is fetched, and I still have no idea how it builds the playlist it shows (which is a problem, since I was trying to figure out if I could show playlist items in non-default order for a "queue view"). I would also ask whether you really need boost and C++11 for a TUI to a music player.
I'm also still not entirely sure that the things I'm trying to do aren't completely retarded or misguided in some way.
Is there a good terminal-based music player with a database, ability to communicate with it through cli commands, advanced queue and playlist automated jump functionality (got hooked on this through foobar) and ability to stream music through curl, that I have been missing on?

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>>56338729

>>56338677
codecademy course. after that google "learn unix terminal" and you will learn more with pratice

>links
>w3m
>lynx

>no surfraw
i'm disappointed

>>56338665
My dorm neighbor was trying to switch to Wayland not long ago (it failed spectacularly), and in the process he fell in love with qterminal (after trying numerous other options). Apparently, it's really nice and works on pure Wayland out-of-the-box.
I mostly work with URxvt, but I did try it out, and it seemed pretty neat.

>>56338665
Terminator here, but only because configuring urxvt is too hard.

What's better: tmux or screen? I currently use screen, what's the deal with tmux?

>>56338687
Same, i3

Tried xmonad but couldn't figure out changing the config, don't know haskell

>>56338925
They say that tmux is more flexible than screen. I'm a screen user myself, so I don't know.

Do people actually remember all of these UNIX text utilities? It seems like when reading through launchpad or AUR comments or on some forum, there are these wizards saying things like, "pls give the output of wabajoo -X "abwha" -RvGyy or something. Or people seem to have solutions for uncommon problems like using xprop to get the titles of Windows.

Do these people spend hours reading man pages or what?

>>56338666
Read the fucking conversation. it's IF YOU HAVE A TILING WM

>>56338925
>using GNU software

>>56338729
Can't you just make a playlist and use that as a queue?

>>56338818
How?

It just goes in ~/.i3defaults

URXvt*property: value

Fucking done.

>>56338995
The queue is a level above the playlist. When you add something to the queue it's (essentially) injected into the playlist temporarily as the next item and then removed after it has been played.

>>56339018
Fuck, I meant ~/.Xdefaults, kill me

>>56339018
Not him, but can you tell me an advantage of using urxvt in the year 2016? It seems like there is none for the average user, and configuration done through a gui is much faster and easier.

>>56338982
unless you are legally retarded you'll just learn them after using linux for a few months. and if you don't know a command linu option you just type "command -h" or "man command"

>>56339088
The whole purpose of using a terminal is not using a GUI.

>>56334517
You guys should check vimium, shameless vim-like controls for chrome.
I dont even have a mouse.

www
Elinks and chrome + vimium

Text
Vim

Dm
I3

>>56334409
you'll never grow out of it, its a test of your determination. If you stop, you're weak af and need to get on MACOSXtm.

/terminaleverything/ reporting in
also consider
>i3wm
>zsh
>st
>surflaw

>>56334409

I like it for productivity. But I dont push it. Vim for coding then I am out compiling without leaving the terminal. Testing right there as well. If you are doing sql or something you can issue commands to the underlying linux machine from within the sql prompt.

All very nice honestly.

I woudnt want to browse from terminal unless it was something specific that was set up for it for some reason. Also I woudnt want email there as it would just distract me. Not that it being on the phone in my pocket is much better.

>>56338982
personally I just press tab and zsh helps me out

% tar <TAB>
A  -- append to an archive
c  -- create a new archive
f  -- specify archive file or device
t  -- list archive contents
u  -- update archive
v  -- verbose output
x  -- extract files from an archive

>>56338991
that doesn't tell me a thing honey

>>56334469
>inefficient use of energy
As if a fat fuck like yourself knows anything about using energy.

>>56339171
>>56339200

Curious, what made you want to use zsh in the first place?

ITT: people who post their desktops in /wg/

>>56336683

>>>0.1+0.2
0.30000000000000004

>>56334409
terminal:

mpv animus/animu_s1/*0{4..7}*.mp4

inferior gui ui:
>navigate to app menu
>find media player
>click add-to-playlist
>navigate through your folders
>click episodes 4, 5, 6 and 7 to add to playlist
>click ok
>click play

>>56337222
nice!

>>56338995
Thought about it, but it's even more inconvenient, I think.
I have a really weird way to listen to music. I do stuff like >>56339022 too occasionally, but actually it's a pretty rare use case for me (and in fact it's clunky to implement in my patched mpd too).
The thing is, I like to load several albums I like to listen to into playlist, then think about the mood I'm in and choose several songs scattered throughout playlist (usually not in any kind of sane order, and often really far away from each other, stuff like 7-8-9-3-5-1-2-4-11-10 with lots of songs between each one of them), play them in that order, and then go in order of the playlist through the rest of it (or sometimes stop there). This could technically be done with either moving all of them in one position and rearranging them or just loading only them into playlist, but another thing is, I really don't like to drop playlists I loaded. I tend to listen to the same kind of albums for about a week long (sometimes a day, sometimes more than a week), but often to different songs from them at different times of a day. Skipping around the albums while keeping albums structured in numerical order is ideal for that, whereas only loading certain songs means I have to reload and rearrange albums frequently (also I can't figure out what I want to listen to if I don't have all the tracks laid out for me), and rearranging it by hand is both tedious and also means I forget where certain songs are, and have to use search for everything.
foobar2000 spoiled me, since it fit this ideally. I still haven't found a Linux music player capable of exactly that. That's why I'm trying to patch mpd into one.
Hell, sometimes I even think of using wine solely for foobar2000, but it does lack some mpd features I got used to, and also, I don't want a freaking wineserver running just for my music.

>>56337247
this is huge, cant live without ranger

>>56339276
Not anon but I switched to zsh because I really like the autocompletetion in cd.

cd /e/x/f/m <tab>
cd /etc/X11/fonts/misc

>>56333937
Emacs for everything here.

>>56339303
close enough for all practical purposes

>>56339347
Not him.
Sounds awesome. Wanted to try zsh for a while now, but configuration file syntax looks pretty scary and it's probably gonna take a while to set it up.
I do wish for convenient stuff like that, though.

>>56338665
simple terminal (st)

>>56339276
I don't remember, that was more than 12 years ago.

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What's the best way to take notes for a class in a terminal emulator?

any good uses for tty? I have ncmpcpp running on tty(4) and some other terminal stuff on tty(5)

>>56339276
auto completions are nice, plugins/themes/etc i guess.

desu im just full memelord, when i hear about a meme i jump on that shit as fast as possible.
so some guy at work told me about zsh and i had to get it :)

>>56339425
You can cheat and use https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh to get a headstart

>>56338925
dvtm + abduco
http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/dvtm/
http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/abduco/

>>56339507
I heard a lot of good things about orgèmode, though I never managed to find a use case for it. Heard that vimwiki is pretty good too. I personally use Vim and LaTeX.

>>56339276
The vi command line emulation was better than bash's when I swithed. Don't know how bash's vi emulation is nowadays.

>>56339562
this is one of the best threads in months.
go post another gfx card thread

ITT: Unemployed general

>>56339612
>projecting
color a
tree

>>56339562
Go away fedora tipper. This is a good thread.

>>56339647
>color a
LOL windows

>>56338351
You should write a script to do this or try tmuxinator. Saves a lot of time for often used layouts.

>>56339507
Just use vim or nano.

>>56333937
You can't post on 4chan using a terminal browser

>>56339647

@echo off
color a
:loop
tree 
timeout 1
goto loop

>>56339562
>Using a terminal is something special now?
Read the OP first before posting. This thread is about using text-based applications as a replacement for things commonly used with graphical programs today.

how do you read your pdf books from the terminal ?

>>56339617
OP here. Can confirm. /nojob/

Which text browser supports JavaScript the best?

>>56339853
pdftotext (never used this before though)
http://linux.die.net/man/1/pdftotext

>>56339853
pdftotext | less
There's also fbpdf but it's not really satisfying in my opinion.

>>56333937
how do you browse porn on a terminal?

>>56339875
elinks can have SpiderMonkey (firefox's javascript engine) integrated into it. I never tried it though.

>>56339817

@echo off
color a
title Transfering Bank Funds
:loop
tree 
timeout 1
dir 
timeout 1
ipconfig
timeout 1
ping google.com
goto loop

>>56333937
> (Or shit there is a girl sitting towo seats away from me)
> ctrl + alt + f1
> now don't fuck it up
> animu@mango /~ cowsay ...

>>56339326
This.

>>56339967
I usually fetch porn web pages from other sites by sending mail to a program (see git://git.gnu.org/womb/hacks.git) that fetches them, much like wget, and then mails them back to me. Then I look at the porn using a web browser, unless it is easy to see the lolis in the HTML page directly. I usually try lynx first, then a graphical browser if the page needs it (using konqueror, which won't fetch from other sites in such a situation).

>>56339875
wtf is wrong with you ?

>>56340149
Unless I want 90% of the internet to not work at all, I need to have JavaScript enabled. It's bullshit, but the days of JavaScript not being mandatory after over.

>>56340173
Why not run something like the noscript plugin? You can block all JS.

>>56340122
Oh...i didn't expect all of that

I mean I figured that you might say "I just browse erotic stories"

>>56340188
We are talking terminal browsers, most don't support JavaScript save for one as far as I'm aware.

>>56340173
90% of the sites i use work without java script. i hardly ever have to add an exception to noscript.
the only thing that doesn't work are some useless eyecandy features.

>>56339149
VimFX for firefox if spooked by botnet

>>56340188
As someone who actually uses noscript? You pretty much have to add a new exception for every other site you use to get basic functionality.

>>56340204
Ah right. I thought you resorted to text browsers because of the chance of JS running on your machine.

>All these peaople using vimfx/vimium
Y'all have to try vimperator/pentadactyl for a week, you'll never go back.

>>56339973

@echo off
color a
title Hacking the gibson
set /P id=Enter target website: 
echo Scanning for %id%...
timeout 5
echo 
echo Locking onto %id%...
timeout 3
echo Locked onto %id%
pause
:loop
tree 
timeout 3
dir 
timeout 3
ipconfig
timeout 3
ping %id%
systeminfo
timeout 2
goto loop

>>56340191
Browsing erotic stories is good too, anon. Sometimes, I browse http://anime.adult-fanfiction.org/index.php.

Although this is one of my favorites: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5619068/1/Over-His-Desk. I pretty much like anything with Tuxedo Mask.

>>56333937
I draw the line at web browsers and de's.
I won't use tmux or w3m, its not worth it.
I'd rather a tiling wm and comfy qutebrowser

>>56333937
You forgot mcabber for XMPP + OTR instant messaging

>>56337305
>moc
no, just use ranger + mpv

To all Ranger users:
What's the pint of ranger? What features does it have that your shell doesn't?

>>56340282
>I won't use tmux or w3m, its not worth it.
how is tmux not worth it ? it has nothing to do with gui vs cli/tui ?

>>56340360
this

i honestly don't get it too.

>>56340362
Not the anon you're replying to but if you're constantly using X, window management can be done with your window manager. If you need to keep sessions alive, you can use Abduco.

>>56337084
Are you serious? Use dmenu.

>>56338982
man progname
apropos thing

>>56339507
vim notes

>>56339967
fbida
or if you X, then just feh

>>56340244
fuck that, qutebrowser is much better

>>56340393
>Abduco
>v0.6
>v0.
>not in debian repos
>not in rhel/centos repos

not gonna happen in any serious working environment

>>56340360
its what you get if you don't wanna install the gtk 1gig package
its also pretty fast since and has built in vim bindings

>>56334469
>>56339244
rekt

>>56340507
>Python
>Qt
>No addons

>>56340553
Been using Abduco for a year on Gentoo, never encountered a single bug. Versionning doesn't mean anything else than "this release in newer than this other release".

>>56340555
You don't need gtk, why can't you just use your shell? every utility is there: ls, mv, cd, cp, rm and if you want to take a look at your pictures just use feh/your web browser.

>>56339360
Same. Use it for almost everything as well.
There are exceptions of course.

>>56340642
>Versionning doesn't mean anything else than "this release in newer than this other release".
it does, unless the dev is to retarded to get what version numbers actually mean.
and unless it's inside debians or rhel/centos' repo it will never make it inside a serious work/production environment for various reasons

>>56340642
>python
all the heavy lifint if done by qt, so no worry in performance
>qt
what would you rather, gtk?
>no addons
all you need is adblock, which it has
you can also make userscripts, just like in dwm
it also comes pretty packed with useful keybindings

>use standard shell utils
no, ranger is much faster to use for just 2mb more
it also has w3m-img, good for determing which porn pics to delete on a whim

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>>56340615

>>56340737
not the one that call you fat fuck, just another anon that thought it was funny.
So do you also read manga fat new friend?

>>56337222
>not remote sshing 3,000 km away from your router with your blackberry.

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>>56340840
>>56337222

>>56340698
>it does, unless the dev is to retarded to get what version numbers actually mean.
It doesn't. See Chrome's, Firefox, youtube-dl and Vim's versionning scheme. The only universal meaning of a version number is to tell which release is newer and which one is older.

>>56340721
>what would you rather, gtk?
Yup. Gtk is shit but you're way more likely to have it installed on your computer because another tool you use depends on it.
>all you need is adblock
Don't tell me what I need and don't need. I wan't to use uMatrix, https everywhere, https finder, Self Destructing Cookies, Stylish, Smart Referer and many other addons that are simply not available and do not have an equivalent on qutebrowser.
While I'll admit than qutebrowser might be more efficient than Firefox, it simply can't compete with firefox in the addon area.

>>56340721
>ranger is much faster
I don't know how to use ranger but I highly doubt it. How would you do something like

rm screenshot-*.png

with ranger ?

>>56340874
it does.
API/ABIs within a major release number should never break
0.whatever versions are always alpha/beta, 1.0 should always be the first stable release, etc.

How is it possible to post here without JavaScript?

>>56337247
What do you need a file manager like ranger for. Is there anything ranger provides that cd, ls and other terminal commands don't provide?

>>56340919
And yet right now Firefox Beta is Firefox 49. Version number don't mean anything else than "this release is newer".

Terminal is love, terminal is life <3

>>56340928
4chan pass.

>>56340938
it's not 0.49, it's

49.0beta

and about vim:

Vim 8.0 is getting close

[2016-08-16] Work on Vim 8.0 is coming close to an end. I hope version 8.0 can be released in about two weeks. This is a last chance to modify new features in a way that is not backwards compatible. Once 8.0 is out we can't make changes that would break plugins. 

>>56340282
Tmux is a must when working/playing remotely. The shared clipboard is essential

>>56341002
What do you make of youtube-dlès versionning scheme?
Version numbers don't have a universal meaning. Stop trying to imply otherwise.

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>>56340953
$ 2 0

2

0

>>56340938
>https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/releases/

>>56341037
agreed, youtube-dls versioning is retarded

>>56333937
Browser: Emacs
Email Client: Emacs
Terminal Multiplexer: Emacs
Text Editor: Emacs

>>56340874
>how would you do somehting like..
I'd do

:filter screenshot-
:filter png
v /* means select all */
dD /* means delete currently selected */

but even then
I could do

shift-s

, which launches a shell from whithin ranger and I'd type rm screenshot-*.png

i just use ranger for quick browsing and doing basic stuff

>>56340771
I'm not the one that replied to the reply you replied to. I'm just a random fatfuck, friend.

>>56341107
No it isn't. It makes perfect sense as it has to adapt each time youtube's API is changed and each time it changes all the previous versions of youtube-dl are deprecated. Different applications have different needs for versioning and there isn't a universal way of interpreting version numbers.

>>56341193
it's common sense to not break api/abi on minor version updates and people rely on it. that's how it works for everything thats used in a serious working/production environment.
rhel or debian would break anything within a release all hell would break loose

>>56333937
I use the bufferframe for eveything

>>56333937
>not listing irssi or bitchx
>not praising terminator
pleb

>>56341380
>Terminator
I'm sorry anon but you're the bitch.

>>56333937
>terminal for everything

>do not cite tmux

go back to kindergarden OP

>>56341416
>do not cite tmux

add in

music players:
mpd+ncmpcpp
cmus

file managers:
ranger
mc (midnight commander)

misc:
ncdu (see how big files are using an ncurses interface)
nmtui (manage networking and connect to wifi if you have NetworkManager installed)

>>56336261
it's really nice to run irc and vim and such in tmux on a server in my basement instead of my desktop and then just attach to it from my desktop, laptop, phone, etc.

>>56336290
much less focused on aesthetic, plus is still allowed

>>56338665
used terminator for a while because of #!, switched to urxvt because of /g/, later after problems with it, ended up on termite

very nice and modern, only issue is that some computers don't recognize it so if termite isn't installed on a remote machine I have to do

export TERM=xterm

or something before using ssh or it has weird problems

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What are the best terminal emulators for GNU+Linux? I've been using uxterm, but I'm starting to stumble on its shortcomings.

>>56341671
They all have flawsn vut I like urxvt a lot.

What are your problems with uxterm?

>>56338925
most of the reasons I switched from screen to tmux were things I was wrong about

I think I found out years later that screen can also divide the window in both directions

however can it have several windows + let you switch between multiple sessions with a keybind?

I have a 'vidya' tmux session with minecraft servers all in one window, starbound/terraria in another, etc.

then I have a 'misc' tmux session where I keep irssi and vim and such, and I can switch between these with ctrl-b-s if I want

>>56341599
neat

nmtui doesn't seem to be in the fedora repos but nmcli does the job

What I'd really like is a pulseaudio manager. The commands for pulseaudio are long-winded and I'd love a quick command to see the mute status or set the system volume to 50% rather than fiddling around with a system tray tooltip slider.

>>56338982
the xprop thing was something I just started doing after I saw someone recommend it

I think specifically

xprop | grep -i class

is what I normally do

>>56341368
Please list softwares you are using

>>56341701
>What are your problems with uxterm?
They're all minor nitpicks, but even the default term in Ubuntu doesn't have those problems. For instance, you can't change colours without doing xrdb and restarting first, you can't click links to open them in a browser without some obscure binding.

>>56340360
I don't even know how to use ranger very well, but seeing a live view of a directory is nice so I often run it in a directory I'm rsyncing to in order to make sure it's going to the right place

>>56341052
can you use the same pass more than one place? a friend got me a pass that I use on my desktop, but it won't work in clover for some raisin

>>56341722
>>What I'd really like is a pulseaudio manager. The commands for pulseaudio are long-winded and I'd love a quick command to see the mute status or set the system volume to 50% rather than fiddling around with a system tray tooltip slider.
I literally found something like this under a week ago.

pulsemixer

it's like alsamixer but for pulse, and I found it in the AUR but it's also on github

https://github.com/GeorgeFilipkin/pulsemixer

>>56341671
check out termite

it's like urxvt but way more modern and easy to configure

paste related, this is my config:
http://sprunge.us/NQjZ

>>56341807
nice, thanks family

>>56333937
I've been slowly weening myself off of GUIs. It's just so much more efficient when you can do everything from your keyboard. I just need to find a good web browser that doesn't force me to use the mouse and I'm golden.

>>56341733
tmux
w3m
ranger
mpv
feh
fbida
jfbview
mpd + ncmpcpp
irssi
vim
rtorrent
toxic
password safe


some scripts (convert pdf to text for exemple)

>>56339329
Could you try to do that to moc? You can script moc and it has a simpler interface.

>>56340937
Yes, managing files, drag n drop is handy af. Archiver, image and document viewer (supporting ALL meme formats epub mobi etc etc etc) in konqueror makes my dick hard.

>>56337305
>>56341380
>>56341885
>>56341714
>irssi
>not weechat
Why limit yourselves to perl?

>ncmpcpp everywhere
I don't understand how you guys can use it. The UI is confusing as fuck. MPC is more than enough if you want to interact with mpd, especially if you have the mpd autocompletion plugin for zsh.

>>56341885
How do you use mpv or feh on the framebuffer?

>>56341930
Used to use weechat but someone convinced me to switch. Honestly couldn't script anything for them anyway. Just nice having them in tmux.

>>56341933
I will admit it's a tad confusing. I used to love having playlists for each artist, and I don't really know how in ncmpcpp. I clearly did at some point because I actually have one or two playlists, but in general I just press 2 to browse my music folder, go to the folder for the album or artist I want and hit space, then it populates the window you get to by pressing 1 and I just use arrows+enter to play and p to pause.

I certainly would like to learn the program a bit better, but forcing myself to use more terminal programs and knowing the bare minimum to get by with them is enough for now.

After 10 years of on and off loonix, finally started to use cli.

What I've been missing out on, it's really fun to use.

>>56341966
my bad i do not use feh

for mpv :

mpv --vo=fbdev:fb_path=/dev/fb0

>>56341889
Dunno. Never tried MOC. Maybe I should. How powerful is its scripting language?

Also a bit of elaboration on what I did to mpd.
I basically just patched a custom command to change mode when you reach a certain song (the implementation is clone of priorities in mpd code with minor renaming and some changes). Had to patch it in mpd, libmpdclient and ncmpcpp. With this plus priorities queue is implementable and even kinda fancy.
Basically, in ncmpcpp I press Ctrl-O on a song, and write a number corresponding to [8421] bitmask, where 8 is repeat mode, 4 is random mode, 2 is single mode and 1 is consume mode. Then, when mpd reaches that song, it toggles the values bitmask is on for. So, if I was in random mode, and mpd reached song that had "6" associated with it, it would turn off random mode and turn off single mode.
Since in random mode, mpd basically plays the songs with highest priorities first, queue is implementable through setting random mode whenever I want the queue to start, and putting a priority on every song I want in the queue. I can also tell mpd to stop playing altogether when I reach a certain song, or to start repeating it/the album. Consume, I think, I specifically changed a little so it changes back to not consuming after one song is consumed too, though that is a change to mpd's default way of working. Both priorities and these "queue control values" are dropped when the song is first reached.
The main thing that is clunky about this is the way to set the queue. I have to input multiple numbers for that, and I can't really think of a way to simplify the interface without going outside the ncmpcpp with external scripts, probably python. MPC, for whatever reason, doesn't even recognise priorities exist (despite them being in MPD for a while now), unless I patch it too.

>>56342064
Yeah. Really too complicated for me. I usually just do

mpc clear && mpc update --wait && (mpc ls | mpc add)

and then use a script I made to select whatever song I want to listen to.
Here it is in case someone's interested:

#!/bin/sh

playlist=$(mpc playlist)
song=$(echo "$playlist" | dmenu -l 20 -p "$(mpc | head -n 1)")
[ "$song" != "" ] && mpc play "$(echo "$playlist" | awk -v s="$song" '$0==s {print NR; exit;}')"

>>56341671
LXTerminal

Why the command line? It is just faster, please tell me how I could do this in less than 3 seconds in a GUI: Make a directory inside of a directory that doesn't exist yet, in the CLI I would type

mkdir -pv newdirectory/subdirectory

, in the GUI I would have to right click -> new folder -> switch from mouse to keyboard, type folder name -> double click folder -> new folder, then type directory name. It's just slower than the CLI (unless you do photo/video editing or games)


Suggested terminal software:

Shells:
Fish is the friendly interactive shell, it has excellent startup time and is very customizable.
Note: If you are writing scripts in fish please note that it is *NOT* POSIX compilant.
https://github.com/fish-shell/fish-shell

Zsh is the Z shell. It features advanced tab completion, it is very extensible.
http://www.zsh.org/

Mksh, is a minimal, POSIX compilant shell. It has very fast startup times.
https://www.mirbsd.org/mksh.htm

Music players:

Ncmpcpp + mpd (ncmpcpp is an ncurses mpd client, aka TUI)

mpc + mpd (mpc is a cli only client, no ncurses, just "mpc play <file>")

cmus is an ncurses music player.

Wifi:

nmcli/nmtui are terminal tools to manage wifi networks, however NM doesn't work for many people, I suggest connman

wicd-cli/wicd-curses excellent wifi tools, however development isn't very active

connman is a fast, lightweight wifi/ethernet connection tool (primarily developed for embedded systems, works fine on desktop, though)

wpa_supplicant is a fast, lightweight wifi connection tool, it's what I use currently.

Downloading:

wget - wget is a fast downloading tool developed by the GNU project.

curl - same as wget

aria2c - an advanced downloading tool with loads of features (can also download torrents)

rtorrent - a fast, customizable libtorrent based torrent client (uses ncurses I believe).

>>56342111
I didn't know mpv can be run on framebuffer, thanks
and I like jfbterm with some font settings

>>56342327
For wifi I use this, although it triggers my autism a bit for scrubbing around with files to make a connection: http://clockwork.neocities.org/wifi.txt

>>56333937
Best thread in a long time, OP. I'm really getting sick of seeing the same threads every day.

>>56342327
Fish is terrible. Do not recommend that abortion of a shell to anybody.

>>56342505
Too bad, we terminal general now.

>>56342536
muh posix

>>56342550
Not even talking about that, who in their right mind could think that a web interface could be a good idea in order to configure their shell?

>>56342573
So that is the only reason you're against it?

>>56342538
i'm making the logo, someone works on the OP.
we're gonna make it

>>56340360
It's really quick to flick through directories, though admittedly I have no idea how to use it beyond that and viewing files.

Yup, i start x server maybe once a month. Fun fact: almost 30% of time i play vidya (mostly roguelikes).

>>56342327
continued

File searching:
locate - an extremely fast file searcher, it creates a database of files on your system, (most distributions run a cronjob every day to update its database of files). You can update the database with the

updatedb

command.

cmdlocate - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6i27rvqOhZiTXBfZE5NZnBTVjQ/view
Here are some instructions to set up, run:

sudo pip2 instal sopts
cd ~/Downloads (or wherever you downloaded the tarball.)
tar -xf tarbal.tar
cd home/laj/.local
echo "export $LOCALBIN="/usr/local/bin" >> ~/.bashrc
sudo cp bin/.locatecompletor /usr/local/bin
sudo cp bin/cmdlocate /usr/local/bin
sudo cp lib/globzor.py /usr/lib/python2.7 (basically copy it to any python version found in /usr/lib)
sudo cp lib/globzor.py /usr/lib/python3.4
cp share/* ~/.local/share/
echo "source ~/.local/share/bash-completion/bash_completion" >> ~/.bashrc

Now you should be set, the syntax is basically "cmdlocate <program to run file in> filename"
ex:

cmdlocate qpdfview linux-cve.pdf

or if you only remember part of the filename:

cmdlocate qpdfview *-cve.pdf

pic related

>>56341122
All of above and...
File manager:Emacs(dired)
Music player:Emacs (emms)

>>56342689
>roguelikes
Cataclysm DDA here.

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>>56342744
fk, I messed this line:

echo "export $LOCALBIN="/usr/local/bin" >> ~/.bashrc

It should be:

echo "export $LOCALBIN=/usr/local/bin" >> ~/.bashrc

pic related

>>56337305
>dtrx

Oh... my god.

>>56342941
>You know those really annoying files that don't put everything in a dedicated directory
That's why I only use dtrx.

>>56337305
>File Browser:
use midnight commander !

>>56338677
Don't. Jump in head first and learn that way. The best way to learn is to break something and learn how to fix it.

>>56341930
Weechat package has 20mb, which is way too much for an irc client in my opinion. There are even irc clients with a gui that need less than that.
irssi has less than 2mb.

I am definitly bookmarking this thread

How do I view pdf in terminal?

>no proper mtp support
no thanks

>>56343141
ctrl + f pdf
in this thread

>>56343136
Printing it right now.

>>56340219
Vimperator is better than VimFX, IMO. Quickmarks are an absolute must, which VimFX doesn't have. Vimperator's development isn't getting very far though since Mozilla is moving to webextensions and deprecating xul. VimFX is already compatable with e10s.

>>56343136
Print it, lad. Post results afterwards.

>>56343161
>having to convert
too bad framebuffer pdf readers are shit

>>56339149
cVim is better I think.

>>56341122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8AqHdZTgNI

is this you?

Browsing 4chan is ugly as fuck in emacs

>>56337247
>not the MIDNIGHT COMMANDER

>>56343163
>>56343191
i don't have paper

>>56343175
I actually switched to both Linux and terminal applications solely because of Pentadactyl.
It was just too comfy.
A shame it's gonna die soon. Maybe I will switch to qutebrowser or palemoon then.

>>56340253
>Not using asstr

>>56338351
>fish
>powerline everything
>useless shit in statusline
>turning vim into an IDE

no thank you

>>56342685
Press : to bring up the commandline of Ranger, then you can do mv, ls, rsync, all that.

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>>56343221
That video is tempting me to drop learning vim and use emacs instead.

>its a ncurses program
>doesn't even support vim bindings
DROPPED

>>56333937
I'm surprised no one has mentioned newsbeuter for RSS feeds. As for terminal browsers, they have to many limitations when compared to Firefox that stop me from using it (completely ignoring the issue of no javascript) such as:
>the ability to spoof the full HTTP header to something more common and spoof CSS fingerprinting (with these points it could appear the same as the Tor browser with JS disabled)
>self destructing cookies, or any type of cookie controls other than allow/block globally and blacklisting certain sites
>tree style tabs or at least some better tab management
>vimperator style navigation because fuck using tab/the arrow keys to move the cursor, I think there's one that has it but I don't remember which
>forcing HTTPS everywhere and alerting me when it fails
>clean links
>DNSSEC
>decentraleyes (don't know how necessary this would be without JS)

>>56334469
This, I started using Mutt for email because I found myself trying to use Thunderbird with as many keyboard shortcuts as possible and decided to just get an email client made for that. Keyboard shortcuts >>>>> a mouse, especially when performing tasks where your hands would naturally be on the keyboard anyways such as email. Hell, I'd be using vimperator full time in Firefox or Qutebrowser if they didn't have that 1 second delay between me pressing f and the link hints appearing.

>>56338591
>he doesn't know about the framebuffer

>>56343221
I wish I hadn't seen this. I can easily imagine myself spiraling into a blackhole of autism with emacs. I mean, just look at what it's done to the guy in the video. Holy shit. : (

>>56343221
I actually want to look if vim can do this too. It was kinda amazing, but having two monitors with all the windows open I need and using a mouse, I can do some things at the same time, whereas he can do only one thing at a time. Especially the part with the email made me come to that conclusion.

>>56343420
I never tried emacs, but from all I saw it seems like it tries to make sure the user never has to drop to the shell again. I like my shell.

>>56343283
It was the same for me. I was using Pentadactyl on Windows 7 for around 3 years before I switched to Linux.

The main reasons I like Vimperator are the status bar (I hide my url and tab bars and just use buffers) and the quickmarks. Same reasons I use cVim in Chromium, over Vimium.

>>56341416
>do not cite tmux
Are you a blind man? Or just retarded?

>>56339995
>animu@mango
You already fucked up.

>>56341770
Of course you can use it on any device you want but not at the same time. there's a 2/3 minutes cooldown in order to post again if you changed IPs

>>56338968
xmonad's config doesn't require haskell knowledge, it only benefits from it. that's like saying "tried to configure awesome, didn't know lua"

>>56345302
plain text is easier though, like i3 or spectrwm have it.
And if you shouldn't need a turing complete language to configure your wm anyway.

>>56343960
It is a choice. I use daemonized emacs just for that purpose. To be able to drop quickly between the shell and emacs

I never figured out how the hell to show hidden files in ranger

>>56343312
vim has god tier bindings even if emacs is more powerful, learn vim and then use emacs evil mode

>>56334409
a I'm-graduating-this-year-so-let-me-tell-you-what-the-world-is-really-like-kid 23 yr old.
I've been using slackware for 21 years.

I use the terminal for a lot of stuff, I only come out for browsing the web and vidya
which is about 80% of everything I do

>>56343242
>fork from MSDOS

You all need to try Ratpoison (the window manager, not the actual poison).

I use it with dmenu to launch applications and even to switch windows, or do !command without resorting to a terminal, plus I have many keybinds to launch my most used applications. I am talking about a window manager that you can script to the point of saving your most comfy layout. There is a lot of scripts to enhance it http://ratpoison.wxcvbn.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/Scripts

The ram usage? About 1mb!

>>56343221
reminds me of Terry

kinda makes me wanna try emacs also

>>56343358
this fucking feel..

makes me cry that ncmpcpp doesn't have vim bindings, but I really like using mpd so I don't just want to use cmus either

>>56346049
great pitch

>>56333937
What is a really nice audio player? I use mpv, but i would like to have something that is designed for music. (supports playlists and has a better CLI interface)

>>56346133
moc

>>56343221
kek, what a waste of time

How do you guys store your aliases and functions? using .bashrc or .zshrc becomes a nightmare-like mess after a while


also post your best aliases and functions you've made or use a lot

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>>56346126

>>56345981
if you think that's bad look at some GNU or vim code. its light enough 4 me

>>56345909
zh

>>56343089
If size is the issue... https://github.com/halhen/shic/blob/master/shic
You probably want to run that under zsh though.

>>56333937
Is there a way to make our own terminal distro though? LFS shows the way but I am still unsure about how one is going to build gcc with the latest glibc.

>>56333937
whats the application with the pipes/lines being drawn in the terminal window?

>>56349019
Debian allows you to do a minimal install without X.

>>56337763
check out eLinks as perhaps an alternative, if you haven't already.

>>56349063
I know, but it shouldn't need both bsdutils and coreutils to be considered essential packages, as example. Busybox + toolchain is everything one needs as a base to build up. That is also beyond Gentoo.

>rxvt-""""""""unicode""""""""
https://github.com/FortAwesome/Font-Awesome/issues/3681
Why do people praise this piece of bloated, buggy trash again?

I used to do that but I started just using gnome for some reason.

>>56349594
>truetype
>xft
nice bloat

>>56349594
I think you just need to add:

#!/bin/sh
PATH=$PATH:~/.local/bin
export LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
export LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
export LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
export LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
export LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
export LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8"
export LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
export LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8"
export LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8"
export LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8"
export LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8"
export LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8"
export LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8"
export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8"

To your

~/.xinitrc

, that fixed unicode issues for me.

I also don't like urxvt that much, but all the alternatives don't really compare to it:

st:
has 5 features and is made by suckless (i hate suckless.org, they make shitty programs with 2 features and call it "the unix philosophy" except most of their programs need extensive patching to be near usable)
- konsole is what I was going to switch to, but the startup time is slow
- gnome terminal forces me to install dconf (binary config, fuck you freedesktop, RH and GNOME). It also has less features than Konsole and still uses more memory (typical of GNOME programs, they have less features than KDE software, and still end up using more RAM then them)

What other terminal emulator should I use? Plain xterm?

>>56349751
Konsole

>>56349751
rxvt-unicode works pretty well for me m8.

>>56349751
I'm actually using st as my main terminal emulator, and I don't feel like I'm missing any features. Someone mentioned termite earlier in the thread, and it seems to have Unicode stuff like font Font Awesome, ranger image previewing working out of the box, which already makes it better than urxvt in my books.

>>56340360
bookmarking for quick dir change, file selections for batch commands, file previews, live directory tree, shortcuts for damn near anything to do with manipulating files, etc

Read a fucking book

>>56349751
Isn't LC_ALL literally "overwrite all these other variables with whatever is in here"? Why do you set it in the same place as other variables?

the only thing keeping me on urxvt is the daemon mode
startup times are much faster and memory footprint is significantly smaller

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>I don't actually do this

>>56333937
>/TerminalForEverything/

have you been taking your autism medication?

any rss application that I could use to store some news headlines to a file

>>56338982
I make cheatsheets of programs/utilities/languages and update them along the way

they are easy to just bring up in a split in vim and check for reference

>>56339134

Check mate

>>56340507
aww, yess
i recently switched to qutebrowser.
writing your own addons was never easier, i just run my bash scripts from the browser so i can open youtube in mpv and so on

>>56353012
i wish i could do something like that, or using mpv with mps youtube.
But mpv doesn't work on my rpi for some reason (libwayland-egl.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)

>>56353472
>libwayland-egl.so.1: cannot open shared object file
Your mpv was build/linked againt that wayland-egl lib and you either have wayland that doesn't have that feature compiled in, or are using xorg. Check which one and change either your mpv or X11 to match the other.

>>56346118
you can change the bindings

>>56341930
irssi has better developers working on it.
There have been less security flaws in irssi.
irssi has historically had more users than WeeChat will ever have.
irssi uses less memory than Weechat.
There are more scripts for irssi.
irssi has official modules you can install to add support for tcl and Python. The tcl module allows you to basically run any eggdrop script you'd like to use.
irssi has a more powerful aliasing engine. You can write aliases that do as much as a script with ease.

The only thing WeeChat has on irssi is the ability to vertically split windows, but most run irssi inside of a terminal multiplexer so that feature's ultimately useless.

>>56337305
>>56337497
>>56337605
did cmus got shittier in some way or do people hate it for being directory based?

Does anyone here unironically uses lynx or other CLI internet browser?

How usable/secure are they?

>>56354939
as usable and secure as every other browser that does not support javascript etc. and doesnt display graphics.
Pretty usable desu but only if you seek text-based content without javascript.

>>56354939
Usually for the kicks or if I have to diagnose breakage on my side. Maybe if I'm seeing up a headless box and have to do a quick lookup or download something.
I sometimes unironically use w3m to avoid login walls consisting of an overlaid div if I can't be arsed to work around it, for example on my phone.

>>56354219
As a new linux user i have to admit that i didn't understand a lot of what you said.
But i think i find the problem, i don't have wayland anywhere on my rpi and i can't apt-get it even though it's on the packages list... i'll try to compile it directly later i guess

>>56338505

UninStallman?

>>56355526
You can't apt-get it directly because Wayland replaces your current X (the thing that makes it possible for other programs to do graphical magics and shit) and that's a quite big undertaking as other packages installed likely depend on X. Just try to get mpv working with your current setup, way easier that way. Could it be that the version of mpv you installed came from somewhere else than the default repository, that could explain why it's not playing nice?

What's wrong with CMUS?

replacement for urxvt?

>>56355795
i couldn't apt-get mpv either, he couldn't locate it. So i try installing from there (https://nwgat.ninja/installing-mpv-with-hardware-decoding-on-raspberry-pi-1-2-3-zero/)
Now i wanted to uninstall it and try another thing. Problem is i apparently fucked up something with apt-get remove, i removed all the dependencies listed first and now almost everything from my setup is gone. I can't even find folders, or the terminal, or the web browser... Somehow it's still working i think because i didn't close my terminal or browser. But i think if i reboot it'll be gone forever...
i try re apt-get the dependencies but it didn't revert the damages

>>56355012
>>56355177
I would use w3m a lot more but on the few times I have, using the BBC website as a test, the horizontal menus along the top (and their respective sub-menus) were laid out vertically, meaning you have to scroll loads to get to the content.

>>56346444
~/.bash_aliases

>>56356120
Sounds like a fun learning experience

>>56356359
ahah yes.. It's scary because my main computer died yesterday and i don't have anything else at the moment.
I managed to reinstall a terminal and a browser at least so it should be alright from now.
But yeah, somehow i uninstall more than 1gb from the raspbian-noobs setup i don't even now what it was

>>56354939
One time my system was messed up and I had very limited options. Thankfully I was able to download Lynx and use it to find and download a fix.

Lynx is now in my backup tool kit.

But, yea I don't use it much, but man would I be dead without it those few times I needed it. But I heard Emacs has a web browser function as well, so I might use try that someday.

>>56337305
>Better shell

just learn how to use bash properly