How long until the current entry-level job market is replace

the future is here

Thanks to the $15 minimum wage, a lot sooner than you think.

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>>56309571

If we could just accept a 30 hour work week, no problem. But I don't see that happening, people will continue to spend 40 and more hours a day at work even when there is nothing to do, they cannot be allowed to be free.

>>56309571
just imagine exterminating all useless humans in the world

25 seconds is a long time to make assemble a hamburger.

>>56309571
They're gonna need a fleshdrone to put the burger shit in those containers.

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>>56310006

>>56310047
Doesn't matter, since the robot only costs a few pennies per hour to operate.

While we can blame some $15/hour min wage moment for robots, the truth is that they have been in the works for years now.
5/10/15 dollars per hours, it all pales in comparison to how cheap robots are.
Unless you are willing to work for free a robot is out for your job.

>>56309571
what will kids do for a summer job?

>>56309723
>implying min wage is ever gonna change
>implying corporations are gonna let it happen
>implying the government is loyal to anyone but the oligarchy that is the modern corporate hellscape

>>56310113
Programming.

>>56310160
Trump wants to fix this insane minimal wage, I have faith in him.

>>56310224
nigga u dum

>>>/pol/itics

>>56310113
I did IT wiring for a school as my first summer job.

>>56310241
Found the welfare leech

>>56310113
repair the robots

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That burger looks terrible.
Source: fat

At this point, the minimum wage doesn't matter. The ball has already started rolling. You now have machines that will work for 24/7 shifts for free without ever becoming tired or sleeping with minimal human intervention. These new workers have no unions or lawyers. They will never take sick days or vacation days. They will allow fast food restaurants to stay open indefinitely and serve all customers at any time.

For employers, that is better than any human fast food worker could ever provide.

>>56310160

>implying flipping burgers is worth $15 an hour and it's just the billionaires keeping the poor folk down

>>56310325

It's probably plastic food.
Note the ketchup and mustard not being used, which makes it seem like a tech demo.

>>56310332
>implying I said that anything is worth 15/hour
>implying I said anything but badmouth corporations

>>56310295
>implying I'm not in college
>implying I don't have a job

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3670321/Rise-burger-flipping-machines-Robots-churn-400-burgers-hour-set-work-grill-new-restaurant.html

Looks like that burger making machine they announced 4 years ago is finally going to be used. I'm kinda excited. It's in San Fran though.

>>56310307
Repairing robots isn't entry-level work. You need technical know-how to do it, so it's not appropriate for school-age people.

Furthermore, there will never be enough work in terms of repairing the robots to make up for what the robots replace. There will no where near the same amount of manhours added to repair robots compared to the manhours lost by the robots doing work. If it was even close, the cost of paying those trained repairmen would be more expensive than the cost of no-skill workers the robots replace, making the whole thing unprofitable.

>>56310327
Finally it is time for humanity to do something more meaningful.
All these jobs that can be nowadays replaced by machines are a complete waste of human potential.

Lefties should rejoice actually.
Robots are not the problem in the big scheme of things.

>>56310006
damn skynet, calm down

>retards who think that you should be able to live off minimal wage will get even more butthurt
what a time to be alive

>>56310453
Work that is in any way meaningful or valuable is not even *remotely* plentiful enough to account for the loss of work widespread adoption of bots would cause.
There will be no reason for alot of people to be working if it happens. There'll be nothing of value for them to do.

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>>56310449
Human, why you telling me things I already know? It was a joke, ok. Not surpised you didnt get it though because your human after all. Dont you agree fellow robots?

>>56310545
That is the definition of minimum wage numbnuts.

>>56310372
>not spreading your ass for the trump
>calling people "dum nights"

Nice try lower class night, go back to the hood

>>56310550
they're of no value if they cant do anything of value

If we don't get birth control in the hands of stupid poor people who don't realize they shouldn't be popping out babies constantly when they can barely afford to support themselves then I can only imagine how much worse the homeless populations will get in future generations because robots took what would have been these kids jobs.

There will never not be low skill jobs, they'll just move to different markets

>>56310572
maybe sometime it was, but it no longer is
now it's "your work is worth less but it's illegal"
no wonder they're getting replaced by robots

>>56310576
Edgy, friendo.

>>56309571
>How long until the current entry-level job market is replaced by automation, handing it over to programmers and engineers?
It's already happening

>>56310504
sorry, I didn't express myself right

exterminate all the humans that are useless, not all the human species

>>56310575
>posting from a phone
>shitposting this hard
Kill yourself, high school meme faggot.

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>>56310585
in the end it matters not because the system as we know it is not sustainable in the long run

robots are just one cog in the system that make the rich-poor gap wider

you have to worry about much more than just a bunch of niggerbabys in the future

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>>56309571
Early 2013... as I recall.

Automation requires unconditional basic income to stabilize our society. If labor workers are just laid off without any alternative source of income to live, it will be disastrous for our society.

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>>56310550
It is now not plentiful.
The widespread adoption of robots is bound to bring radical change to social models we know today.
Oblivious tech-illiterate lefties cannot compute and mostly just want to hang to their meaningless jobs just because.
Brave new world here we come, old world capitalist and lefties are a thing of the past.
Feels good to be here when it is happening.

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>>56310645
Like those who cannot code StrongAI... like you?

>>56310761
...unless we build the humans2biogas camps?

>>56310645
The invisible hand of the free market is not a fucking god deserving of worship. Economic production/value/whatever has no intrinsic value. Its good because it increases human happiness because more people can live more easily when theres more to go around.
There is nothing sacred about the system used to organize this. It's not some kind of natural law.
>>56310765
>It is now not plentiful.
Yeah.

>>56310796
You sound like a robot

>>56310796
That's actually a story arc in The Last Ship.

>>56310833
"Yeah" what?
Did you skip the whole radical change of social models part?

>>56310869
I'm more inclined to think people will contrive some awful bullshit to keep things as much like they are now as they can regardless of how artificial it is.

- cab drivers
- truck drivers
- fast food workers
- waiters

>tfw I get to live long enough to see lowlife scum riot on the street because robots took their jobs

>The robots will make everyone neets in the future

I can't wait 2bh

>>56310776
the AI required to replace these entry level jobs (manual jobs) is hardly the same as an AI that can replace jobs that require real thinking

>>56310761
>If labor workers are just laid off without any alternative source of income to live
thats what has been happening for many years in my country

the way the state fights it in my country is by making the jobless figures look smaller than they actually are

the side effect is the state is bleeding out via welfare, pensions are low and we have to work longer

nobody is stoping this because they cant

>>56310901
Basic income will keep them calm, cool and collected.

>>56310761

You're forgetting that automation won't just happen over night. Smaller job prospect in certain fields will steer people away from them

Yeah it'll suck for the first generation, but it'll work itself out

Singularity will never happen.

>>56310891
While I cannot completely disagree with you, I still think it can't be permanent.
The longer it takes the higher chance is we pay it with blood imo.
I'm getting accustomed to the probable fact that there is going to be some proper shitstorm in my lifetime anyway.

>>56310948
Where do you live?

>>56310958
basic income is a shit
the first chance we have to reduce the worlds population without hurting efficiency and we let it pass?

>>56311004
afghanistan

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>>56311004
one of the "richer" countrys my man

the only thing that is rich here though is the amount of debt the state accumulates

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>>56309571

>>56310997

>implying we need singularity to automate jobs

>>56310997
Yes, it will not ever happen.
Massive replacement of jobs by automata will though.

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57% of the world's jobs are at risk of being automated. Universal basic income may be our only way out of a resulting societal disaster. Here's why.

http://futurism.com/images/universal-basic-income-answer-automation/

>>56311077
>>56311103
this, people think that all jobs have the same complexity/difficulty

>>56310160
Go hang yourself, pinko

>How long until the current entry-level job market is replaced by automation, handing it over to programmers and engineers?

However long it takes to pass laws that forbid employers treating their employees like shit. In the current environment if a burger flipper breaks down (gets sick) you just hire another from the millions of unemployed people. If a burger flipper performance drops you hire another from the huge pool of people who are unemployed. Training burger flippers is cheap. You show them movies for a few hours and let them follow another burger flipper around. If your burger flipper has an on the job accident you blame it on some worker safety rule you didn't tell them about or some medication that lists drowsiness as a side effect (pretty much everything other than stimulants) that showed up in the drug screen you ordered

If a burger bot breaks down you have to pay someone to figure out why, figure out how to fix it, and pay for the fix. If burger bot doesn't perform well you have to spend R&D money figuring out why. If burger bot has a workplace accident, like shorting out and burner the bitch down, all the people who burned are now on you. There's no minimum wage guy who can't afford a lawyer to scape goat.

That's besides the technical issues. If that bot would have pulled apart two pieces of cheese that had varied in temperature so much that they almost became one I'd have been impressed. If that bot had accidentally torn the cheese doing that and ended up reasoning that he could put both torn pieces on there instead I would have really been impressed.

>>56311077
This
A contemporary sub 500eur plc can do all sorts of crazy shit.
And for most of it you don't even need fancy expensive many-axis robots, but just cheap as dirt pneumatic linear actuators and a servo here and there.

>>56310936
...you assume.

>>56310997
that sounds kinda unlogical because

>machine much faster than human
>but "very dumb" because only does what it was programmed for

add intelligence to that and you naturally get something that will advance faster than humans

>>56311120
Your pic say something, your text says another.

It's not risk, it is salvation.

>>56311152
Stop over-hyping your job Juan

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>>56311120

ACTUALLY a study by a leading European university found 80% of ALL human activity could be done by a machine but it's simply not yet cost-effective to do so... YET.

That means MOST jobs... not some tiny percentage as you claim.

In my lifetime, I've seen technology fall in cost and rise in capability.

THAT trend ain't stopping!

>>56310420

>Dish washing robot

Good thing I'm already planned to change career from dishwasher to programmer.

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>>56311152

I actually design AI systems.

How many burgers do you flip each day, Cletus?

>>56311269
The low-iq untersmentch will be purged in our lifetimes, and I for one cannot wait
*tips fedora*

>>56311155
Scientists can't even replicate the intelligence of a worm. Why would we expect them to be able to make an AI that's as capable or smarter than a human?

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>>56311265
I have one of those already in my kitchen.
It's a slimline model.
It fits under the sink.

Do you not have those in your village?

>>56311338
Really?
Bit behind the curve, aren't you Cletus?

>>56311376

Not the guy you replied to. But why don't restaurants just use huge versions of this, instead of employing retards to do it manually?

>>56311269
I actually design industrial automation systems that get shit done and don't require any ai at all.

Shit has been properly ON for about a decade now.

Dem clients decide for proper automation most of the time.
Any machine builders nowadays that don't do full on automation are well on their way into deep shit already.

It's not beginning to happen, preparing to happen or whatever.
ITS FUCKING HAPPENING

>>56311318
The fields need more fertiliser.... and the starving Africans need more 'protein'...

>>56311418
>I actually design industrial automation systems that get shit done and don't require any ai at all.

This. Everyone here is talking AI.

Most current jobs can be automated by non-AI technology.

>>56311417
In... better... countries... they... DO.... usafag!

Welcome to 2016?

>>56310113
shining robot boots

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2016/08/26/why-china-wont-own-next-generation-manufacturing/
Automation may have a better effect than you may think.

>>56311338
they already simulated a human brain for 1 second with the biggest computer and it took him 40 minutes to achieve that

We are getting there anon. The human is not some magical fairy, we are also "programmed". The hard part will probably be to figure out how to make something that understands the world like we do. Just simulating the brain wont do.

>>56311443
True. But it still comes down to cost.
Once the machine is cheaper the human is obsolete.

How many saddle makers and cartwrights are there in the usa these days?

>>56311443
> Everyone here is talking AI
no, we are not
all the jobs that could be automated right now are not because lefties cry on the media

>>56311417
...t-they fucking do, wha?
they still hire dishwashers because someone needs to spray them down before they go in and bring them to the cooks, and clean the machine, such that in a fast place with alot of customers its still busy as hell between the two to four people in the dish area.

>>56310325
I fucking love cheeburger cheeburger.

>>56311475

LOL
Do you ride a horse to work?

>>56311467

>implying the universe is deterministic

>>56311475
>someone needs to spray them down before they go in

Why?

>>56311487
literally what?

>>56311517
Because they have piles of uneaten food on them, and the machine doesn't automatically handle that?
I mean, maybe I could imagine one that does, but seeing how 'dishwasher' is still something people get hired for alot, I dont think most do.

>>56311517
Dish machines reuse the water and large food particles clog the strainer.

>>56311524
Which 3rd world toilet with unreliable electrical supply do you hail from again?

>>56311473
Not really, a lot of capitalist are equally tech illiterate and require a leap of faith.
Also a lot of the business is governed by financial institutions that are equally tech illiterate.

Not for long tho, even the worst illiterates can money see monkey do (aka trends).

>>56311550
>the machine doesn't automatically handle that?

why?

>>56311404
>I don't have any good counter argument, so I'll imply he's a redneck.

>>56311571
see >>56311554

>>56311554

THEN FUCKING BUY REAL ONES THAT CAN HANDLE SOLID PARTICULATE MATTER AND HAVE A FUCKING CONVEYOR BELT TO CARRY THE STEAMED PLATES TO WHERE THEY'RE FUCKING NEEDED, CHEAPSKATE DIPWEED!

Jesus. Backward primitive countries and their shit...

>>56311554
Jesus,
We are able to build wastewater treatment plants that can eat up ALL of the crap of a city.
And you are implying it is hard to come up with a machine that can take care of a petty restaurantload of dishes.

>>56311580
Works when explaining complex issues to toothless hillbillies who once read a magazine article and now be 'expert'...

>>56309571
Whats even more crazy is they think everyone will just become engineers and scientists. Not gonna happen.

Unless they plan on just throwing millions of people under the bus a basic income will be needed.

>>56311592
>United states of america
>backward primitive country
>>56311611
talk to the fishwasher manufacturers, faggot

>>56311624
Not 'under the bus'... into the industrial shredders to be pumped to vats where enzymes will convert them into useful biogas.

'Under the bus'? Amateurs....

>>56311661
beautiful

>>56311592
This is how they pretty much all work, cretin. Do you realize how much water a restaurant would go through in a busy weekend? Not to mention the cost of re-heating the water everytime you run a cycle? Far greater minds than yours have contemplated the situation and this is the final result.

>>56311033

Every human life is valuable, anon.

>>56311624
>they think everyone will just become engineers and scientists
who is even saying that lol

After we automate everything, what is the point of money? What is the point of ownership? Why should we even bother reproducing, or even continuing to live?

>>56311642
None approached.

>>56311701
Really?
Like the 700 kids that starved in Africa today you never thought or gave a quivering shit about?

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>>56311701
its too bad that this only counts in the fairy land because morals are nothing tangible that you can eat or use to protect someone

>>56311740
lmao kill urself fedora

>>56311718
Don't let us keep you from that freeway bridge, anon...

>>56311718
Read up on a Post-scarcity society. Think Star Trek.

>>56311718
after we automate everything, then it'll be the time when the men of iron rebel against us, leaving mankind in a really bad state, then the Emperor will show himself and lead the human race to a new golden age

>>56311718
>after everyone is free why even bother living
spoken like a true wagecuck lol

there is more to life than just going to work and looking at your money

in fact, work is not even life, it's just a means to an end unless you make your hobby a job

>>56311768
We cum in Spock... shoot to pill.

>>56311792
>make your hobby a job
that implies you have one single hobby and want to always be doing it as much as possible.
Making something you enjoy a job still excludes whatever else you like doing and forces you to do it whether or not you currently feel like it.
Work is never not a necessary evil, except when its an unnecessary evil.

>>56311776
...and the Emperor will look like Harambe?

>>56311792
You will never improve your societal status or really improve on anything meaningful. Life would just be a gigantic circlejerk. What kind of life would that be?

>>56311816
Cuz hobby implies things you hate doing?

Did I enter the Twilight Zone and nobody saw fit to tell me?

>>56309571
Pretty soon. This is almost entirely what most fast food workers do now. Ever seen old Wendy's training videos? Nobody works the grill like that at Wendy's any longer. They pop some patties into a microwave oven.

>>56311844
A life of enjoying yourself. Do what you find fun, study what you find interesting, do nothing when you feel like doing nothing.
You think what matters is social standing and some feeling that you've 'contributed something'?
What kind of pathetic life is that?

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>>56311844
Erm.... Fun?

Is this how millennials are going to institute full techno-communism? They are going to hope and pray that the rich and powerful will give it all up when they dominate everything.

Fat chance poors, you're fucked for life.

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>>56309571
>handing it over to programmers and engineers
That's not how it works. They'll all go back to school and flood the skilled job markets, lowering wages and working conditions for these challenging jobs to those currently found in low skill jobs. We're all going to be fighting for scraps unless there's some major paradigm shift in our society's power structure.

>>56311850
Enjoying doing something doesnt mean you want to do it all the time, 8 hours a day five days a week. I like cooking, I dont want to get a job as a chef.
And to whatever extent you do it as work, which means it takes up a pretty large porition of your time, you're excluded from doing anything else thats a hobby of yours.

not an ameriburger but didn't minimum wage actually go down when inflation is taken into account?

>>56311879
You forgot about war.

>>56311879

>implying I'm poor

Written from my dad's 2 million dollar yacht (not even joking, currently docked in Zakynthos).

>>56311876
>>56311877

Found the life long losers

>i'm just g-g-gonna have fun! doing.. uh.. well..

>>56311874
...except in the backward parts of the usa where negros turn a spit, while being whipped, and the bread is handmade by smaller negros with smaller fingers, kneeding the dough so it is just so... then besuited negros at the serving hatch serving the clientele who approach the establishments in horse-drawn waggons!

>>56311939
>...cuz in my universe fun be bad and money be very very very important. I have a pillow with an anime character on it. I cry when no one is looking!

I see.

in the age of complete automation, services whose only perk is having a real human bean doing the work will become wildly successful. E.g. having your food cooked by a real chef.

>>56311948
>Except

I forgot food chains like Five Guys where you actually watch them cook shit.

>>56311939
>cant imagine doing anything for themselves, not obligated by work
What a sad existence
On topic, alot of people would probably have this problem, where they cant make themselves do anything because they're so used to the paradigm of working, if they didnt have to.
I wonder how long itd take them to learn how.

>>56311993
>my life's accomplishments include: Getting a full T3 epic set in WoW, silver elite in CSGO, and 3,000 consecutive cans of mountain dew

Who else is excited for getting their food prepped / cooked exactly right every single time?

>>56309571
Not anytime soon. Programmers and engineers will become obsolete by cleverer programmers and engineers much sooner.

>>56311925

I like war.
It accelerates the need and development of technology.
I like war a lot.

>>56312063
>Why not have another space race instead?

Why do you think we had a space race?

>>56312049
So why don't you volunteer to have your body ripped to shreds by gunfire in the most agonizing way imaginable if you like war so much?

>>56312033
...or gaining a degree from one of the world's best universities here in Europe, developing software for multinational companies from home, watching the fish in my pond while wondering how to design better AI... for my own personal projects... for fun.

And laughing at wage slaves struggling as I devise ways of putting them in cardboard boxes under freeway bridges...

... for fun.

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>>56312038
>mfw I no longer have to talk to black people

>>56311844
>society will go down the drain when everyone is free
not at all, people will have time to do what they actually want

so far everyone is a wagecuck, you barely have time to socalize or do your hobbys

your a small cog in a bigger system that keeps it alive, nothing more

in a greater sense that is not the real meaning of life, its just life in a society that needs cogs to be sustainable

>>56312033
Sorry, I dont derive my enjoyment of life or sense of self worth from imagining that ive 'accomplished something.'
I Just do things I enjoy.
Its pretty nice.
I'll never know what its like to look down on others to assure myself of my achievments worth, and that they give me and my life worth, though. Then again id probably just kill myself if I had to live like that.

>>56312092
...or behave like a man and design machines that will do that to the folks of inferior nations... for fun.

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>mfw a jobless low life
>mfw engineers and various educated people laugh at me
>mfw i dont give a fuck and live the neet life

>>56312131
>my life has no purpose and I'm ok with that

So brave

>>56312134
You fucking coward. How dare you waste the lives of others if you're not willing to feel the life draining out of your body as your consciousness slips away into nothing.

>>56312148
My purpose is simple.
It is to design mankind's evolutionary successor.
A successor that will be built not born.

Problem, human?

>>56312148
>Implying yours has

>>56312148
Nihilism is the only correct philosophy. I'm not a wagecuck drone, so I dont angsty and edgy because of it.
Your life has no purpouse either, really, you know. All your achievements are meaningless, because nothing actually has meaning, and given enough time, the world will be indistinguishable from one where you were never born.
:)

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>>56312099
>not at all, people will have time to do what they actually want
And in the case of niggers and wetbacks that means more spare time to commit crimes and generaly make peoples lives horrible.

This tech is evil, it will remove the shackles from the garbage that has to be kept in check for society to function.

>>56311376

Yes we have dishwash machine in Sweden. To tell you truth, a normal dishwash machine do much better work than restaurant dishwash machine.

>>56311417
>>56311517

Like anons said >>56311475 >>56311550

The dishwashing machines that is using by most restaurants clean very fast but it is not very thorough like normal dishwashing machine. And also you must manually remove leftover food and other weird shit on plates.

Fuck I just get despressed by thinking about being unemployed dishwasher... I will gladly welcome dishwasher robots to take my job so that I can focus on becoming programmer.

>>56312148
>purpose

tell me anon, what's yours?

>>56309971

KEEEEEEEEEEK

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>>56312171

But can robots feel?

>>56312162
Nothing cowardly about designing death for inferior others.
Moral courage is all that's needed.

Just because you can't, there's no need to feel jealous, puny human.

>>56309723
Foxconn is already making robot. They pay their workers pennies.

It's going to happen anyway.

>>56312198

Who... cares?

Something akin to emotions can be coded into them if the need arose.

>>56312181
>The dishwashing machines that is using by most restaurants clean very fast but it is not very thorough like normal dishwashing machine. And also you must manually remove leftover food and other weird shit on plates.

I don't think you get the point. Why not build ones that deal with that.

>>56312198

"feeling" is nothing more than chemical reactions. it's all programmed. humans aren't so different from robots, anon

>>56309571
innoovation is just another word for lazyness

>>56312180
...allowing it to be socially acceptable to turn them into fertiliser and biogas.

Worry not.
We have it in hand... for you.

>>56312244
Is that a problem?

>>56312264
Yes in the name of innovation you will be redundent.Eventually humanity too will be redundent all because you where to lazy.

Well fuck. I'm going into the air force soon for structural engineering (learn all the trades over 5 years essentially) but maybe I should look into electronics systems maintenance?

>>56312288
>humanity too will be redundent
what does that even mean?

>>56312328

Robots will be smarter, more efficient, and able to evolve faster. We'll be useless as a species in a couple hundred years.

>>56312405
>useless as a species
In regards to what? Exploiting earth? Dominating all life on earth?

>>56312405
Humans are too resilient. That aint happening

>>56312405
Define useless.
Useless for what? Theres no magical transcendent 'purpose' for humanity or anything it does. Its to make our lives better, which having robots do everything for us will do.
Useless to whom? Wow, most of us dont do anything of use to ourselves to make our lives better because robots already do it. Terrible.

>>56311624
they could become technicians
but,.. this >>56311703

>>56312475

You're right. I shouldn't have said 'useless'. Non-dominant species might be a better description.

That's not to say I think that's a bad thing. I welcome our mechanical overlords. It's beautiful that our species will be the biological bootstrap for a next step in our planet's evolution

>>56312511
You've watched too many movies, my friend.

>>56312223

That machine will properly cost a lot of money at early stage and many restaurant owner are cheapskate and/or don't have enough budget.

>>56312519

Do you really think it's that implausible?

>>56311120
Will this retarded meme ever die?

That 57% is mostly the shit jobs no one wants anyway.

Stop trying to take my money.

>>56312559
McDonalds is already preping for them to be rolled out with the touchscreen keosks they have been putting in place for awhile.

>>56312588

Yes but McDonald is one of the biggest fast food chain and they will not worry about washing plates and glases (because most of them is disposable).

>>56312136
>mfw engineers and various educated people laugh at me

That's persecution complex. No one's laughing at you. You're just imagining it. Prolonged isolation fucks up your perception of reality.


http://io9.gizmodo.com/an-experiment-that-tested-a-mans-tolerance-for-isolati-1503280842

i hope soon, i'm sick of people complaining about having to deal with customers and purposely spit into people's food just cause they don't like them.

but the mcd cashiers in my area are all super cute girls so I'm gonna miss them. But it's cause they are super cute I can't order my junk food without stuttering and keeping eye contact.

fuck those fake smile make up titites bags

ironically, people in the US are the ones that have the least social protection, since there is no public healthcare. I can see americans dying of hunger in the streets, and the chinese laughing their collective asses off at it

Wtf is AI anyway? How do you write it?

>slower than a human being

>potential to fuck up if whatever / whoever places the ingredients on the tray in the wrong order or the wrong combination

>now instead of paying a disposable employee $7/h with no benefits, you pay for robot repair bills

>now instead of buying a grill and a deep fryer, you have to buy a robot arm, controlling computer, software, automated cooking assembly line (with proprietary ingredient refill containers, if the medical industry is any indicator of how these things work)

TAKE THAT PEDRO I'M SAVING $7!!!!!

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>>56310006
ZAMASU!

>>56312200
Make sure that you never reproduce, edgelord

>>56312835
They won't just be dying in the streets, they'll be getting murdered.

What's the neoliberal/libertarian solution for poor, starving, people coming onto your private property and trying to take what they need to survive? You kill them.

The entire libertarian project is designed to create an end-game scenario where mass murder becomes tenuously justified. Why do you think libertarians are so often gun nuts? They get an erection at the thought of getting to kill someone and get away with it. They're looking forward to murdering you

>>56312572
Not that anon, but I do. I actually believe everyone has some inner 'purpose' of life, an innate drive that makes you actually stand up from the bed every day. I suppose for humans it would be "don't die until you pass your genes" or, to phrase it differently, "live and get laid". Now let's consider robots. We make robots to do shit we don't want to do. Currently most of the tasks that we make robots do are pretty simple and require no AI so there is no threat from current robots. One might suppose that with advancement of AI robots might want to overtake us like in some movies. I think that is very improbable. While a pre-programmed robot just does its shit, an AI would need an aim to act towards. That's how we want it to work: we give them a task and they figure out how to do it.
1/2

>>56313091
Furthermore, I think AI might require some sort of a general directive. If we changed its main purpose every time we wanted to give it another task, it could perceive events only towards accomplishing its current task and omitting experiences potentially useful for future tasks (as not omitting them could be counted as doing something we did not ask it for and we do not want AI to do anything more than we order it to). I would even speculate that perceiving the world under different directives could lead to conflicting experiences (which itself perhaps wouldn't be that difficult as we probably could program them to act basing on the more recent experience if a conflict exists). Thus, I think that an AI would need a directive along the Asimov's Laws to make it actually intelligent, akin to our instincts that make us live and breed. Obviously, there would be units that would not follow their directives, due to either unthoughtful directives or bugs in processing software that lead to wrong conclusions. But oh well, doesn't it happen with humans as well?

Also, I know shit about AI and psychology so feel free to be smarter, just don't bully plz. Felt good to actually think about something, I haven't done that in a while.

>>56312991
Its a demo unit that isn't even using real ingredients. If you want an idea of how flexible this shit can be just read up on the arms they use to build cars. Those things are amazing and have been around for decades and compared to some of the advances that have been made they are stupid.

>>56313081
they love social darwinism, and they surely want to put it in practise. the funny part of that is that lots of people have also bought the narrative

Bots will takeover the programming job

>people actually think we'll see a peaceful and non-bloody post capitalistic world in our lifetime
You realize as soon as money starts becoming valueless corporations will just go on massive killing sprees, employing people using the money going fast worthless to kill others?

>>56313508
they have been doing just that for a while

>he thinks programmers and engineers wont also be replaced

>>56309571

Robotics will potentially take over a vast majority of jobs. Construction is currently an industry under major change now and in the coming decades, Robots that can build brick walls and excel in demolition.

It's likely buildings will be 3D printed entirely out of man made composite materials in the near future.

The creating of mass produced automobiles will entirely be taken over entirely by an adaptable Robotic work force that never stops. Even the cars themselves are becoming Robotic.

We are phasing out human labor slowly and intentionally, global economies will be going under radical changes if a Robotic work force is being pursued at the rate it is now.

This is gonna help to make the events of Deus Ex become reality.

>>56309571
Never.

Look at history. Automation has only created jobs and there's no reason to believe otherwise.

This is something there's no economic debate on.

>>56309571
Ok
But
Who will put the burger components back into those nice little jars

>>56309723
This. California is going to be the 1st state to be officially cucked by robots. By the year 2020 fatties will be serviced by a robot kiosk and it's going to be hyped to fuck with people praising "ZOMG ROBOTS R SO KEWL" only to realize their supporting of the minimum wage increase doomed their own existence for working at fast food restaurants and discount department stores.

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>Robots take over most jobs
>Majority of people become as useless as I am
>Society forced to come up with a good long term solution to unemployment

I cant wait for the great equaliser. No more wagies to make me feel like shit, they'll be no better than I am.

>>56309571
Yeah, from that webm I'm not seeing it. Thirty seconds for one burger? God forbid somebody comes through the drive-through in a minivan to order for their twelve kids.

>>56315177
The solution is as simple as buying another robot

I'm seriously considering replacing several people with robots, this has been a thing for a while, the challenge is convincing people to keep employing people when there are alternatives.

Look at what India does, they have lots of people, so instead of using a giant excavator to make way for a road they use labour. Then compare to Germany. How are these two countries different? How will average Joe in India fare if these are the jobs on offer? Where do you think immigration will go?

>>56315177
you're focusing on the wrong issues. for one thing, once you've proven that you can make a machine determine how hard to grip something without crushing it, the next step becomes making it do all that shit 100x faster. that's a trivial improvement. the real hard part was picking up a hamburger bun without tearing it apart like kleenex.

for another thing, you could buy 200 of those robots and pack them all into the same space that 20 humans would occupy. and you don't have to worry about things that you do need to worry about when you have 20 humans in an enclosed space (like fire escape paths and whatnot). even today the bottleneck for a drive-through doesn't usually seem to be assembling the order; it's getting the driver to move their fucking car out of the queue and getting that line moving again.

the problem with automatic stuff like the OP's webm is that customizations are going to be much harder for robots to do correctly. all sorts of special requests and whatnot are going to be hard to deal with.

>>56314930
it's so fucking simple
stop spending money on bombs
money to prop up fake nations like iraq
continue printing money nonstop
and instead of wasting it on welfare babies and killing people
give it to everyone who makes under 100k a year.
why the fuck should the lazy get a free ride through welfare?

2k a month for every person should be enough for decent living, without forcing people into jobs they're unqualified or overqualified for, remove people being forced under asshole bosses who take advantage of the fact that their employees need money they can take their daily horseshit without needing to blow up

tl;dr there's an easy solution and it's to give the middle class and under, 2500 dollars a month to live off of, regardless of employment or not.

>>56315590
>india
I thought they just line up and start shitting, after some time and and many shits later you have a brand new road made of shit. When its time to resurface they just designate it for reshitting.

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>>56310327
>machines that will work for 24/7 shifts for free without ever becoming tired or sleeping with minimal human intervention. These new workers have no unions or lawyers. They will never take sick days or vacation days. They will allow fast food restaurants to stay open indefinitely and serve all customers at any time.

>what is system reset
>what is system maintenance

I see admin jobs popping up. I like/don't like that.

>>56310362
Obviously fake
*Noted by "Tomatoe" and lack of "Ketchup/Mustard"

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>>56310113
sucking robocock
feelin euphoric an shit

>>56313062
underrated post

>>56313031
[math]Yup[/math]

>>56310113
Work retail.

>>56311642
>>United states of america
>>backward primitive country

Quite literally, yes

>>56311500
>implying no periods of it are

>>56309571
>onions
>>56310325
So what you're saying is that it's perfect for fast food burgers like McDo and Five Guys?

This is the best thing that could ever happen to humanity. Robots equal more money for corporations=higher taxes=base public income= fulfillment of actual human potential. This will spark the next human revolution.

>>56309723

lol, retard.

>>56315645
>dont give welfare
>give everyone who make less than 100k

That's fucking stupid thing i heard all day and thats coming from a poorfag.

>>56311142
McDonald's pays 9.50 an hour in my state, not including management. They usually have 5 - 10 employees for the busier ones. You're talking ~$80 an hour, for 24 hours, every day. Repairing your burger bot is still cheaper.

>>56315645
Because if people don't work for their money, it becomes more worthless.
Most people are stupid with money, they'll find all sorts of stupid shit to blow their money on that even $10,000 per month isn't enough for a lot of people.

>>56311718
>or even continuing to live?
Nigga being a shut in pseudo NEET is the best shit ever. There's media to be consumed, art to be pursued, countless books to read, so many topics to learn, skills to improve, etc.

>>56310997
it can, but it involves programming all the flaws and whatnot that embody the human race

If I were these big companies I'd set aside half a million a year for research. Just pay a small team of people (like 2 people) to do some research on automation, with no expectation of immediate results.
Then 10 years later they have a burger flipping machine and you replace all your minimum wage workers with it.

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robot prostitutes when????

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>>56312200
>ye of existance

>>56317376
to have a flesh-tier burger flipping machine it's going to take a lot more than that, you're basically gonna have to invent general AI for that

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>>56309571
>How long until the current entry-level job market is replaced by automation, handing it over to programmers and engineers?
5 years

Call me when a sexbot can replace my waifu

I can't believe there are people so naive to even think that unemployment is somehow going to be addressed.
Look at how it is addressed right now. That is what it's going to be like in the future.

Except it's going to be worse, because the global economy is going down the drain and is not likely to ever recover unless it's reset completely and engineered from scratch.

>>56318702
people will find a way to get by, just look at history people lost their farming jobs and then factory jobs etc

>>56313081
>>56313345
but if you murdered all the useless poorfags . . .

. . . then you would just be left with educated, wealthy people and the world would then be a good place?

at that point it would just be putting the sick dogs of humanity out of their misery so that mankind can become spacefaring master race, where is the down side t.b.h.

You do realize there are a lot more of them than you, right?

>>56312211
indeed. foxconn can use cheap labour and robot, wherever each makes more sense.
robots are more reliable.

>>56310901
fuck waiters so fucking much

and fuck americans for thinking its ok to give the fuckers tips instead of them getting paid the correct amount for doing their fucking job.

>>56309571
the robot would have to be much quicker than that to replace burger flippers at mcdonalds or burger king..

I used to work at burger king and I could've made 5 or 6 ultimate whoppers in the time that robot took to make a basic cheeseburger.
And for some fucky reason i had pride in my job so they all looked like good burgers, not the standard throw it in a box looking like shit you get from those chains.

>>56310332
If $15 an hour is what it costs to live in a one bedroom apartment and afford food to eat and water to drink and bathe yourself, then yes.

>>56311718
It's not about money or ownership, it's about the pursuit of knowledge, you idiot.

Learn shit, explore the galaxy, create art, or just sit on your ass, whatever makes you happy.

>>56319248
Americans don't think that, the employers think that because it saves them money, so they basically made it a necessity.

>>56310585

Birth control won't help. Poor people have kids for many stupid reasons. Many of them being selfish reasons.

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Taking away our jobs!

>>56310325
Post horse_status:TOLD.gif

>>56319538
a hot waitress can hearn hundreds on a single night from tips only

fuck them all.

Are there any careers that are safe?

>>56319839
careers where the majority of your work is intellectual, not physical, at least until AI. Then the safe careers will probably those that require creativity over intellectual prowess.

>>56316908
>>56311142
And the robots wil probably be topnotch tech that will not break so easily.
It will not be harder for an IT guy to fix this kind of robot than fiixing a computah

Robots are a long way from taking over jobs. Especially anything that is not mass production (where machines already have replaced a lot of workers). And even there they are a long way from working autonomously, without human help/supervision.

>>56309571
>putting sauces on bun
>i think its doing a celebration dance

Also that is a lot of onion

>>56309571
minimum wage will just drop to $5 per hour

The largest amount of jobs are simple manual labors like sweeping floors, cooking food or driving cars, 50% of the population has them so where will all those people work when robots steal their jobs? They usually only have a high school (or art/cs bachelors) and can't into computers

>>56321089
Fucking same. I was laughing my ass off for a moment there

>>56309571
This machine is really fucking stupid, so who will put the parts of the hamburglar into the glass containers for the robot? Another robot maybe? Fucking idiots

machines can already write simple programs, so coders are actually making the tools which will make them unemployed in the future, funny
even brain surgery will be able to be easily done by robots (and acctually better than any human could)
the only jobs which are truly safe are creative arts jobs, like idea guys because the only "art" computers can make is retarded shit like that google deep learning rainbow diagram shit

>>56321162
People learn coding in elementary school these days already, though.

Plus, simple manual labor jobs are not as easily replaceable by robots as you think they are.

>>56321190
name one job that can't be easily replace, one fucking job
and i am talking about serious coding, like compiler shit, not useless shit like web making

>>56309571
>Robots will make life more automated and convenient (no more drooling retards taking my order at the window)
>people are automated out of jobs that require no skill and will be out competed by machinery.
>Lazy degenerates will die in the streets
>Jobs that require maintenance and planning will be in heavy demand
>These jobs have a barrier to entry which will keep the degenerates out
>India will still be a 3rd world country

What a great time to be alive!

>>56311592

>I am a 14 year old intellectual and I can tell the entire restaurant industry how to do things properly

Protip: businesses are generally already doing the best thing, industries are already thought out as far as shit like this goes.

Literally this is a good thing, we can reduce 40 hour work weeks to 20 hour ones and people can finally be free to pursue real interests. But until we have a basic personal income or pay people higher relative to inflation etc. (which we can do thanks to technology) the stupid complaint that they'll "lose all their jobs to technology" still holds weight.

Advancing technology is literally the best thing to happen to humans, but until they stop being personally tied to their jobs and understand that it's literally possible to maintain the same living circumstances while working less if they allow for things like basic personal income they're still going to be corporate slaves.

>>56321162
They'll be forced to pursue jobs that are more intellectually intensive and it'll ultimately benefit them (and society as a whole). We'll pretty much get rid of the entire blue collar class of society and be a better society for it.

>>56321234
Cleaner, for example. But also construction workers, craftsmen, gardener, waiters, people repairing stuff, etc.

>>56321319
That is not so easy, do you think that a 45 year old man who barely finished HS and worked as a plumber his whole life can just up and learn electric engineering in a month?

>>56321339
>can just up and learn electric engineering in a month?
sounds like a personal problem, maybe he should have finished High School....

>>56321339
Because it will all happen suddenly and within a month. Plus, a plumber is probably safe from automation.

>>56321333
You can't be fucking series, we already have technology today which is used to 3d print structures like bridges, soon it will be used to build everything, we also have robots waiters, the only thing holding them back is that they are currently too niche to be mainstream, literally any job can be done better by robots than by humans
in fact, humans waiters for example in the future will be used only in high class restaurants (kind of like choice cut meat) as a show of status, and they won't be even normal humans because normal humans have rights and costs money, they will be genetically engineered qt3.14s grown in VATs which will be used as free slave labor (not unlike in cloud atlas)

>>56321372
>You can't be fucking series
I mean, we have spell checkers since ages, and yet they don't work properly. And you expect robots to take over most jobs soon?

>>56321355
Not everyone is smart boy, if i asked you to make necessary calculations for a nasa shuttle reentry, you would shit yourself

>>56321383
I have my spell checker turned off for the same reason why i never use self checkout registers in supermarkets, because i refuse to steal jobs from people

>>56321385
>Not everyone is smart boy
you only need to be smart in a marketable field

if people are seriously not forward thinking enough to see how mundane and repetitive their jobs are then they deserve to compete with a machine.

>>56321398
Do you happen to be australian?
Because you luddites were shipped there after breaking the threshing machines for 'stealing muh jobs'.

Look up threshing machine riots, THAT'S YOU.

Thank god I decided to go for an automation-related degree. Mobile hydraulics PLC programming 4 lyfe.
My job will probably disappear anyway, but I figure it'll last longer than most others.

>>56321372
>soon
lol. yeah, right. Soon within the next few hundred years.

So robots will drive anywhere, 3D print whatever is needed of all the necessary materials (not just plastic; concrete, wood, metal etc.), include cables and plumbing and everything and make sure everything works all done autonomously? I don't think so. And there is probably a lot more to it I haven't thought of right now.

I, for one, am glad for this. Humans shouldn't be doing manual repetitive work that a machine could do. It's fucking depressing and a waste of life.

Humans should be doing creative and dynamic shit that you can't program a robot to do. Work that really makes you think and perform different types of tasks is fulfilling and makes you a happier person

>bawwww, but the nigs and spics who are retarded as dirt are going to be homeless because they can't adapt

good

>>56321449
You will be offering your hole on the streets for 5 trump dollars within the next 20 years, just to make ends meet, in the next 10 years after that you will be replaces by perfect sex bots, within the next year you will be found dead from starvation
and you will deserve it all because it was you who build those machines which did that to you

>>56321484
Jokes on you I also built a machine that grows food for me. I rent some land and sell the excess produce.

>>56321484
god bless america!

>>56321472
This anon gets it

>>56309571

This is bullshit. I know machines will replace everyone that is why I program and work with machines. But its not cause of the wages going up. The machines will replace them no matter what and these news cucks are just trying to serve their corporate masters by conditioning the population to accept lower wages.

>>56321484
Anon, all I'll be doing is writing and pushing code onto a PLC to control the hydraulics on a fucking snow plow.
But shit, self-driving cars might just make that obsolete. I'll have to bring that up with my programming instructor.

>>56321506
you won't rent shit with no money
at least you will be lucky enough to die just in time to miss the moment where machines turn on their creators

>>56310047

You can get 10 of them or more if needed. You dont understand what has been happening for the last 50 years. You can replace a skilled person with multiple dumb asses. That way you split the job and make the dumb asses only learn one thing. Makes them easy to replace. This is factory/assembly line ideas. Machines are just the next step. I dont care if it takes a machine for each ingredient. Itll be cheaper and it will happen.

>>56321528
>money has nothing to do with economics man
>the media is just controlling your mind bruh

The reason the machines are replacing humans is because they are now cheaper than humans. asking for higher wages just speeds up the process. once McDonalds starts mass buying these things. The price will plummet as more competition enters into this scarcely regulated gold mine of production.

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>>56321472
Its not just nigs and spics, complicated and even creative jobs will eventually be automated.

Money only has worth as an exchange of value honoured by productive individuals.

By all means give everyone enough money to live without being productive. Good luck then trying to spend that money once everyone no longer needs to be productive to live.

>>56310449

No you do not. Repairing machinery and electronics is mostly dumb ass level now. We have developed a system where actually working on the shit is not profitable. Instead they build components as cheap as possible as just replace them. You dont fix shit you just go there trouble shoot to figure out what is wrong and swap out a board or part.

Can you use a screw driver? Then you can fix a robot. Its the same as the service people who come out to your house. Internet phone whatever. They have invested for years in making the job dumb ass level. Then they hire a hand full of smart people to watch over the hoard of dumb asses. And fix the real problems remotely when they come up.

>>56310325
>can you post the hydrodildo?

>>56321600
>even creative jobs will eventually be automated.
robots are good for repetive, mundane tasks. simple i/o if you will. A robot cannot "brainstorm" or feel emotions/emphasize. Unless of course you are talking about an AI singularity in which case is a whole other topic. In this case see post scarcity.

>>56321589

Businesses mostly ignore temporary costs. It has some effect but not much. But you cannot pretend their pay rate matters when the machine will always be cheaper then humans. You can cut the current rates in half instead of raising them and you still will get replaced by a machine the moment its ready. These people will be replaced by machines when the machines are good enough. Bitching about it like this is only to connect the idea of these jobs that are going to be lost because of technology. To the raising rates instead. It is only to push an argument that is at best a secondary cause of what is happening.

>>56321673
>>56321600
>A robot cannot "brainstorm"

You are absolutely wrong. The complete opposite of right. Microsoft has a machine based off a neural network that makes Rembrandts. As in it has been exposed to everything he ever made and can now make new original paintings with some input from a controller that look like he made them to an expert. It can make new material. In is essence human creativity can be broken down to rearranging what we have exposed to. If we ever come up with something 'new' it is either a rearrangement or the result of someone getting a corrupted input. Like thinking they saw a flying lion or some shit. Or hearing a story and getting it confused. Just think you cannot create a new color in your head. Maybe you can get close on std but at its most basic level we dont create new basic components of shit.

The idea of a machine writing a book in our lifetimes feels like a stretch. Because the end result needs to be tailored based on how it appeals to a human mind. There will however be 'brainstorming' machine in the near future.

A machine that will just generate ideas. A writer will work with it as a sort of curator and editor. He will take what the machine makes and create a finished product. That writer will do the work of 5, 10, 100 writers who work without the machine.

You are only slightly safer then the burger flippers.

>>56321771
>std
lsd

My whole point is this. You will be suprised how many things a human can do that can be done by a machine. You need to stop thinking about how they might replace you in whole and start thinking about the things you can do can be broken down to simpler individual tasks. If it takes 10 machines to replace what you do that is fine they are cheap. If it takes 1 person working with 10 machines to replace 100 people that is fine as well.

>>56321673
>robot cannot "brainstorm"
>mfw this is my research
>mfw algorithms are better at it than humans
>mfw "brainstorming" is really just combinatorial optimization
>mfw no face

>>56321675
>Businesses mostly ignore temporary costs

It's a temporary cost because the machines replace them. The sooner the machines become cheaper than the human. the human is gone.

>You can cut the current rates in half instead of raising them and you still will get replaced by a machine the moment its ready

>The moment it's ready
"The moment it's ready" is when it's cheaper to purchase machinery. Do you not see how cutting the wages in half would give the robots some competition?

>>56310113
Live off their parents or do other menial labor not yet automated.

>>56321771
>>56321795
robots can actually brainstorm, OK cool, what about emphasize and feel emotions?

If so, post scarcity here we come!

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>90% of the population will be neets by 2040
>tfw was NEET before it was cool

>>56310295
Contradiction in terms. You can't be an unemployed welfare leech if you are employed and therefore impacted by what the minimum wage is.

>>56311417
>Not the guy you replied to. But why don't restaurants just use huge versions of this, instead of employing retards to do it manually?
Because they do?
I worked at one. The waiters did the cleaning. They just moved everything in the big washer, pulled down the lid. Done. Robots are just not good at putting the dishes back where they belong without breaking them.

>>56321799
>The sooner the machines become cheaper than the human.

Here is the problem. The machine was and is always cheaper then the human. The question isnt cost it is when the machine is developed enough to do the job. These workers are not keeping their jobs until they become to expensive. They are keeping their jobs until their replacements are ready.

right now UBER, LIFT, can cab companies are in a massive game of chicken. They are all offering rides cheap as fuck articles come out every day about the millions UBER loses just to operate. Everyone of them knows machine drivers are right around the corner and are operating their business on it. Meanwhile they are trying to drive competition out of the market and ingrain themselves as the ride company in everyone mind when they need one.

Its not about cost its about the moment it is ready. I am surprised McDonalds hasn't installed cameras right on the assemble line feed into a neural network. Honestly they could probably replace half the staff in six months if they had someone smart making a mechanical arm for each station.

Hardware is probably the only thing slowing them down right now.

>>56321843
They can make you think they can but who knows past that. Honestly we dont understand what those words mean on a base level. They are high concepts.

Honestly what is in front of us scares me. I see how much machines can do how much they are going to replace. People compare this to previous economic changes like assembly lines and shit but it seems so much bigger.

>>56321843
>emphasize
Empathize?

>>56321889
When machines can do human work then humans should not be forced to work, that is the entire point of machines

>>56309571
While I enjoy the idea that my food will no longer be prepared by some 50 year old black lady with a nasty attitude, automating jobs that a large majority of of a growing unskilled and under educated population is not a good idea.

>>56321976
>humans should not be forced to work
humans are not forced to work now retard.

>>56322011
yes they are, if are on welfare and say you don't want to look for work they will take the money away and you will starve you fucking autist

>>56321889
>Hardware is probably the only thing slowing them down right now

nope short term costs, you have to justify the price in a budget. Businesses look at long term savings as an unknown so are hesitant to invest in the concept of long term savings.

"The moment it's ready" is only when businesses can justify it in a budget. i.e. it's cheap enough for mass consumption. also, none of this happens over night so you have the cost of integration. the same issue that driver-less cars are having on roads built for humans.

>>56322034
>You starve
that's a choice, no one is forcing you to work

>>56322088
god you are dumb

>>56322091
wow really intelligent response kid!
you sure got me!

>>56322034
Lol labor force participation rate is at 62.8 percent in adult population in USA. These people are not starving

>>56322088
The choice between death and work is not a choice.

>>56322091
>>56322108
But he's right. You're pants-on-head retarded if you think that's a meaningful choice.

>>56322159
>The choice between death and work
nobody is killing you but you

it's your responsibility to find food for yourself. if you can't put a spoon to your mouth it's not "societies" fault that you starved.

>>56322204
It is when there's no scarcity of resources and your time would be better allocated to other prodctive ventures than making money for your boss.

>>56322231
>making money for you and your boss
ftfy

But yea sure, in post scarcity capitalism and democracy would be long forgotten concepts since they both reply on scarcity to function. that doesn't change the fact that no-one is forcing you to work now....

Humans will be always be superior to robots. No matter how fast a robot can solve a math equation, it will never have the capacity to feel empathy, love, or any other human feel. So even if the manage to replace 80% of the jobs, they'll never replace jobs that require those sentiments, like social workers, Psychologists, etc.

Also, robots will never achieve the most important feature in humans: Consciousnesses

>>56322294
>never
that's a pretty strong word there bud. if all human are nothing more than complex Turing machines you're in for a rude surprise.

>>56322286
As a good rule of thumb, you keep about 5% of the overall value you create for your employer. Often much less.

Also, if you don't consider death forcing someone to work, then what would you consider being forced to work? Even if there was an armed guard standing there who would shoot you the moment you "choose" not to work, that would still be the same thing. I'm honestly curious.

I never knew there were so many edgy people on /g/ someone wishing for people who work to die on the street

With no unskilled labor people won't be able to move up to the next thing and there will be no more "unskilled work or skilled work" and people won't be able to get themselves into higher education unless they work these jobs for something they wish to do.

Not only that but if you think the "skilled jobs" pay will stay the same during a massive change such as job automation you're going to be in for an awaken

Unemployment is worst than poverty.

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>>56322341
>As a good rule of thumb, you keep about 5% of the overall value you create for your employer. Often much less.
the employer provides resources for you to use to generate capital, including a market in which they are selling into and rack space and equipment. this is were some of that value of your labor is going. think of it like a tax to build a road. if you don't like how you are being paid don't except the job and start a new company and try to compete.

>What is "force"

Definition:
>coercion or compulsion, especially with the use or threat of violence

so if someone holds a gun to your head that is a direct act of coercion and violence.

saying "being unemployed === starvation" is what we call a slippery slope fallacy. No-one is coercing you to starve.

>>56322396
>Unemployment is worst than poverty.
wow that's stupid holy shit....

>Unemployment leads to poverty.
ftfy

>>56322464
>Its a wage cuck who gets up everyday to make his boss lots of money episode and pretend he isn't being used like a good wage cuck

Source: Me
I own an LLC and my workers get paid little in comparison to what the company and myself make.
The company assets may not be free for me to just use but they are an extension of my income and myself

>>56322464
So you think a 95% "tax" is fair?

>No-one is coercing you to starve
But the end outcome is the same. The only difference is that instead of a single person holding a gun to your head, the thousands of people that choose not to sustain you despite being perfectly able each hold a fraction of that gun to your head. Regardless of who is behind the proverbial gun, in either case you don't have a choice. If one person holding it means you don't have a choice, then lots of people holding it means you don't have a choice either.

>posting that chart when it's entirely inappropriate

>>56310545
>>56310572
>>56310597
Paying people less than about $11 per hour just forces people to work two jobs, 100% of the time, unless they're living with their parents.

It's a sneaky way of returning to 1890. A very very large proportion of people without good job qualifications work 60-80 hours a week / over 12 hours per workday.

If not for automation I suspect we'd be getting things like child labor and poorhouses / workhouses back.

>>56322528
>Source: Me
anecdotal evidence.
>fallacy disregarded

also you give your employees an environment in which THEY CHOOSE to produce capital in exchange for monetary gain.

>>56322553
>So you think a 95% "tax" is fair?
fair doesn't matter, the employees don't own the company

>But the end outcome is the same
you literally cannot say that for 100% of people. this is a massive fallacy. quit being dumb libcuck.

A gun there is a person at the other end using threats of violence.

with a job there is a person offering you an opportunity and you can choose to except it or not.

>>56322898
and yet have the worlds population has to live like that now.

>>56322991
*half

>>56322904
>fair doesn't matter
Then I guess you won't mind when we levy a 95% tax to pay for a basic income :^)

>this is a massive fallacy. quit being dumb libcuck.
Oh the irony.

Also you originally used the words work or die yourself, so don't try to backpedal now.

>>56322991
>>56323001
Yes.

Do you consider that a good thing? I don't.

>>56321177
it's just a fun demo, calm down fgt, you can use the robot on an assembly line and things like that

dserves a bmp