>power shell now open source >on linux and mac HYPE h

>>56144240

OH FUCK YEAH!!! I'll just add it to the list of shells I'll never use.

Microsoft's own Linux distro confirmed.
Full software compatibility between Windows and Linux.
/V manchildren and poo in loos on suicide watch.

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>the comments section of that article

>>56144240
That's nice, I'm going to start deleloping all my scripts in powershell.

>>56144275
>>56144275 #
I'd just like to interject for a moment, what you are referring to as linux is in fact Microsoft/linux, or as I have recently taken to calling it, Microsoft+Linux.

ALL MY SCRIPTING WASN'T IT VAIN

Anyone want some books on Powershell?

>*nix has a bunch of great shells
>Windows literally only has Bash
>hey guys, let's port our pile of shit to Linux instead of porting decent shells to our OS
MS has truly gone full retard, haven't they?

Was there any reason to use powershell?
I mean they might as well have open sourced dir

>>56144373
I like to hoard, so yes.

>>56144347
>not Linuxoft

>>56144382
To interface more easily with Microsoft components and a replacement to cmd for server administrators.

Finally Linux and Mac users can use a shell not made for teletype computers in the 70s. Congrats!

>>56144306
then one day we get a fully debotneted and de blobbed gnu/nt distro that respects your freedom

>>56144417
https://jii.moe/Ny_mbAAKZ.epub
https://jii.moe/Ek8dZA0Yb.pdf
https://jii.moe/Nye9Z0AKb.pdf

Microsoft can suck Stallmans big hairy balls for all I care. I still won't use abomination.

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Thoughts?

>>56144595
>Stallman represents our 'side'
Fuck off, no he doesn't. Unless your side is Jewish footscab-eating ugly whiny manchildren.

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>>56144240
>implying anyone will ever use that on Unix (like) systems

>>56144240
This is pretty good news, Powershell is one of the few "modern"-feeling shells I've used. The only problem with it I had on Windows is that since Windows is so GUI-centric, Powershell suffers as an interactive environment. However, it far outstrips any other shell I've used for actual scripting, so it's nice to see it reach a platform that's appropriately CLI-focused. It's a really consistent, well thought-out shell.

>>56144690
>dir on *nix
It's happening.

Also, do
>dir | select *

>>56144690
the permissions don't display correctly? I see all of them are dash character.

>>56144690
>99 day uptime
The fuck? Stop wasting electricity with that gay sex machine.

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>>56144240
>Windows 10 lets you run Linux-compiled binaries natively
>they opensource and port PowerShell to Linux
>tfw Windows is doing Linux better than any other Linux distro available now

>>56144240
Stupid sexy Snover.

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>>56144720
>>56144690
lel whatever I'll keep using zsh and bash

>>56144782
kek

>>56144782
It's doing better telemetry too

>>56144825
Use your router firewall bro, this is /g/, there's no excuse for not doing this anyway.

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snover's a pretty cool guy

eh make better linux than linus and doesn't afrad of anything

if you use anything else other than tcsh youre probably a giant manchild that uses linux, mac, or windows

>>56144850
openbsd-ksh reporting in. I do use tcsh on OS X however

>>56144860
I never said such a thing. Putting words in my mouth is not an argument.

>>56144844
And do what, blacklist all traffic and then explicitly allow fucking everything?

>>56144879
Are you being sarcastic, or are you really that dense dude? You monitor your network traffic, and you block the connections that phoning home to Microsoft. It's not that hard.

>>56144922
That doesn't block phone home shit it already goes through and you have no way of discerning what to block. You would have to block everything to realistically stop telemetry. And then go on to explicitly allow traffic you wish to go through.

Anything other than that and you may as well fucking ignore telemetry and let it all go.

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>>56144846
>straightforward message about making tools available if you want to use them
>understands the differences in tool abstractions between Linux and Windows
>no butthurt, Linus-levels of arrogance, or "USE OUR TOOLS AND OUR TOOLS ALONE OR HIT THE ROAD" Stallman-ism

>>56144954
>You would have to block everything to realistically stop telemetry. And then go on to explicitly allow traffic you wish to go through.
I don't know why you keep saying that. Have you really never done this before? It's pretty obvious. You won't even much network activity if you shut down your programs that are accessing that, and then you can just Google addresses that you don't recognize or understand.

You're making this out to be an impossible task when it'll take you like an an afternoon at most, and probably closer to 30 minutes on average, which makes me think that you've literally never configured a firewall before.

>>56145012
You are basically too stupid to block telemetry and your methods will result in failure.

>>56144975
>actually written by Microsoft's PR, rather than that guy

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>>56145044
>doesn't know how to use his router
>calls other people stupid

>>56145078
Yeah because suggesting that you watch telemetry traffic go through to figure out how to block it is totally more coherent.

The guy doesn't even know what the fuck hes saying and he doesn't know how to use a firewall.

>>56145049
If so, I'm even more impressed that Microsoft's PR actually understands the differences between Linux shell tooling and Windows shell tooling, and why Linux tools don't work on Windows. PR guys never know that stuff.

>>56145093
>ctrl+f
>"embrace extend extinguish"
>phrase not found
and yet again I am disappointed

Embrace, extend and extinguish

>>56145098
PR people don't. He wrote that himself.

>>56145093
>figure out how to block it
You just add it to the firewall. That's literally all there is to it.

Is this a joke? Am I being trolled? Stop pretending to be stupid.

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>>56145107
>>56145112
>you have to let telemetry through to block telemetry

Whatever you say pajeet.

>>56145138
>faggot keeps faggoty images saved
What a surprise

>>56145136
Add what?
"it"
lol fucking moron.

>>56145153
The address, you dummy.

>>56145138
3xE has nothing to do with telemetry
the other poster probably linked you in error

>>56145152
>>56145184
>>56145200
Please, do not feed the retard. Ignore him.

>>56145184
Do you mean a rule?
A rule to block telemetry?
There isn't one you need to block everything and whitelist your own shit. Eventually you will get there it just takes longer for your pajeet brain.

>>56144438

>not Xenix

Children, behave.

>>56144240
MICROSOFT IS FINISHED AND BANKRUPT

>>56145212
Ignoring him doesn't work, he'll shit the board up no matter how few replies he gets. What a pathetic sack of shit.

>>56145277
Add him to your filter. The guy's an idiot.

>>56145295
I don't want to, he can be hilariously retarded. He's the only tripfaggot that pisses me off that I won't filter.

>>56145238
microsoft tells you the domains associated with telemetry. they also tell you that you need to opt in to the customer experience program for it to actually do anything meaningful

>>56144240
HOLY FUCK BOTNET TIME

>>56145044
no, you can block a lot of the telemetry this way
not everything, but a good chunk of it.
it's easy for microsoft to circumvent this though.
>>56144954
>That doesn't block phone home shit
your router firewall will block any connections you tell it to. The W10 firewall probably doesn't block telemetry even if you tell it to, which isn't that surprising
>>56145098
>advise PR heavily and maybe write a few sentences yourself while they write a statement for you to publish under your name
wow that was hard
for corporations you only hear the things they want you to hear, in open source everything is public, internal conversations, plans, etc.

sawako is actually not totally retarded, he's one tripfag I don't mind too much, except he talks shit about ubuntu sometimes
compared to this crashoverride faglord, he's a genius

>>56145317
Windows 10 makes thousands of connections a day outside the scope of their telemetry servers, it isn't enough to just block those domains.

>>56144782
Don't forget: F#/F*, .NET Core, and Xamarin bro.

>>56144240
who the fuck would use that shit tier garbage when you have real shells to use?

Wow, I totally care.

>>56145360
1000s is a nice exaggeration, buts cute because you will just act like a tool and say that 'ANY COMMUNICATION IS BAD!!!!' with nothing to back it up with besides regurgitating the same shit in every /g/ thread

DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
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>>56145394
When an exception occurs during an installation process, which happens quite frequently in windows 10, a dump of every single file you have accessed that day along with a shitload of personally identifying information is sent to non-telemetry servers.

Performing pretty much any action is logged and then sent in this manner in addition to normal telemetry shit.

Thousands of connections a day is an extremely conservative estimate, Windows is constantly talking, there isn't any time where it goes silent on a network unless the machine is asleep.

>>56145376
Once you realize that the descriptive-but-verbouse Verb-Noun commands in Powershell have easy aliases, it becomes quite comfy. It turns out that the Object abstraction is works really well with small, modular blocks of potentially state-modifying codes (i.e., shell scripts) and gives you a consistent way of handling it.

Also, not having to manually parse the output of every command with

 sed 's/...' | grep ... | cut ...

combinations is a godsend.

>>56145431
prove it. because sending a few packets every 15 minutes is not going to include everything you do on the machine and your PII. it isnt sending PII anyways in that shit, and posting the eula is not an argument, because if you actually read it you would realize it is talking about purchasing shit through the app store and using onedrive which is normal behavior for any service like that

>>56145438
Use of aliases is not advised when writing scripts if other people will use or modify them. Full names are more obvious in their intent.

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>>56145467
>asking a linux shill for proof

>>56145497
Some of the aliases are built-in to the shell can be more obvious of what they "really" do, but the actual names are well-chosen and give you an understanding of the underlying structure, i.e., ls or dir vs

Get-ChildItem

. The first two tell you what your result is going to be from using that command in a directory, but the second, real, name tells you the underlying structure the shell uses.

lol his posts got deleted, except this one

>>56144690

#rekt

>>56145394
The guy probably missed a 0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGOML_XMGvI

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>>56144749
>tfw my uptime would be months longer if it wasn't for all the power outages

I should get a ups. Also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

>>56145694
Shit, the video was for >>56144798

>>56145394
>>56145467
how's the weather in india?

>>56145694
Update your fucking kernel, fucking stablefags I swear

>>56145742
Testingfags are the Win10fags of debian

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>>56145694
I was up for around 7 months until last week

>>56145767
I didn't say become a testing fag, you can update your kernel without testing you know.

>>56144347
I'd probably use a Microsoft-produced Linux distro, but it doesn't look like they're going that way. I think they will release a lot more programs for Linux though, especially now that they can be used in Windows through the Linux Subsystem and Xamarin.

Isnt Powershell a scripting language? I seriously doubt people are going to leave Python, Ruby, Perl scripting for Powershell

>>56145865
It's both, like Bash, Sh, ksh, etc.

this post still triggers the crashoverride

>>56144782
KEK

This just isn't true. As the developer of PowerShell even said, Windows is __not__ set up to be configured with text files.

A file is a stream of data.

Hence, Windows is not setup well to deal with streams of data.

So no, Windows does not do Linux well.

>>56144438
Not MyCrux.

>>56146648
>Windows doesn't use text files for system configuration
>that means it doesn't handle files well

Maybe I can't point a name but I surely smell a great fallacy here.

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>>56144347

I'd just like to interject for a moment, what you are referring to as Microsoft/linux is in fact GNU/NT, or as I have recently taken to calling it, GNU+NT.

>>56146668
Not a bad name, anon. We both know they're going to choose something like Winix though.

>>56146757
>doesn't handle text files well
There, fixed.

The same conclusions can be reached:
>Hence, Windows is not setup well to deal with streams of text data
Since FTP, HTTP, SMTP, etc. are all text protocols, Windows has a serious handicap when it comes to internet technologies. This has been observable with the slow arrival of new internet technologies with Windows.

Since I can't really consume any non-text data stream w/o a specialized tool, it basically renders the output of programs totally useless outside of very specific contexts. We've all accepted the fact that programs survive longer than we'd expect and are used in ways we'd never think of. PowerShell is the total rejection of this mentality, and is merely a tool to make working in a Windows environment bearable. As such, there will not be widespread adoption of PowerShell suddenly.

>>56146648
>>56147000
is this a parody post

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>>56147045

>>56147099
>OSX/Windows/Linux is not set up to be configured with video files.
>Hence, OSX/Windows/Linux is not setup well to deal with video!!
Are you, lad?

>>56146648
What does configuration with text files has to do with being able to deal with streams of data?

>>56147128
uh, this is true.

Imagine trying to pass data around your system as a video file. That would be a nightmare on OS X or Windows or Linux.

Being able to open a video file and view it is not the same as being able to store data richly and easily as a video file, and being able to use it portably across your tools. Being able to open a text file and edit it is not the same as being able to use text to portably, easily, and reliably convey meaning to a machine.

You walked right into this one, kid.

>>56144254
/thread

>>56147181
I spoke loosely, I was referring to text streams. Windows does not use or provide tools for manipulating text streams reliably or portably between programs in order to convey meaning. Since text streams are usually superior to binary streams, this is a considerable weakness. PowerShell is an attempt to address this weakness, but is completely unnecessary unless your system has this weakness in the first place.

>>56144333
>deleloping
chekek'd

>>56147238
You don't make much sense, what are the "tools for manipulating text streams reliably or portably between programs" that other systems offer? And how are they relevant to what you said above
>Since FTP, HTTP, SMTP, etc. are all text protocols, Windows has a serious handicap when it comes to internet technologies. This has been observable with the slow arrival of new internet technologies with Windows.

>>56144846
>2009

I'd be surprised if they didn't make a total 180 some day

>>56147294
The article in OP post is literally written by Snover.

>>56147238
>Windows does not use or provide tools for manipulating text streams reliably or portably between programs in order to convey meaning.
but yes, it does. Why didn't you google this before you hit submit?

>>56147262
awk, sed, cut, command substitution. Granted, these run on Windows, but ask anyone who's tried to run Cygwin: it's an ugly hack, and at the end of the day you will find that things that would be simple on a *nix system still don't work because there's simply no way to programmatically access a lot of information outside of PowerShell.

>And how are they relevant to what you said above
Because on a *nix, text streams __compose__ the entire system. On Windows, these things are standalone programs. They never will integrate into the system the way they would if the entire system were text-centered. The problems this create come up often. There aren't good ways to reuse entire programs in Windows unless you start fucking with COM, but then you've added significant conceptual weight to understanding your program and have increased your application's complexity by an order of magnitude. Remember Murphy's Law: Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.

>>56147341
Addressed here. They don't integrate into the system and can't be used to adjust the system dynamically. On a *nix, you might have something like /proc where you can read from to get plain-text process information. The core components of Windows __are not__ text-friendly, so you will __always__ be crippled. There is no force in nature that prevents NT from having a *nix-like userspace running on top of it, but as it sits, it does not. The Windows userspace is simply inferior to a *nix system.

>>56147374
>awk, sed, cut, command substitution. Granted, these run on Windows
Yes, even without cygwin.

>these things are standalone programs
Just like Unixes.

The rest really do not make any sense and you did not really answer why this would affect text protocols at all.

>>56147374
They are integrated in the system.

>>56147408
Uh, I did. If your system's core isn't built around text, then text won't integrate with the core. It's okay kid, once you've been doing real software development outside of India, you'll understand why integration with the core system is important. Until then, keep your uninformed opinions to yourself.

One day, I want to completely replace the desktop environment within windows 10 and use something else, like gnome 3 or XFCE. In a way that I can also use thunar or whatever the fuck instead of the windows file manager and such.

>>56147451
>If your system's core isn't built around text
Again, what is that mystical magical core you are talking about?

And you still have not said how this would affect text protocols at all.

>>56147262
Not that anon, but i would say many windows tools ignore stdin.
So, you can't run something | another_program efficiently.
There's no standard convention either.
f*.txt could match any file starting with f, or could match the exact filename, depends on which program.

>>56147489
>f*.txt could match any file starting with f
This is because cmd.exe is shit, no surprise, I hope that this is not the case with powershell.

>>56147515
>I hope that this is not the case with powershell.

It's not.

>>56147474
>Again, what is that mystical magical core you are talking about?
Data coming from a service shipped with the system.

>And you still have not said how this would affect text protocols at all.
Try debugging one or using it in a way not originally intended.

Just for kicks, check out what happens to docker-machine over SSH. Check out hosts that Ansible supports configuration for. The world has changed. The big boys want light-weight and transactional systems that can be easily extended. You had best change with it, or be stuck with other pajeets.

>but-but muh home use
Home computing has been a solved problem. Being able to define infrastructure in plain-text that anyone can digest is a requirement today. Windows just fails here.

On linux, ip forwarding can easily done by toggling certain proc files.
eg:
# This will enable forwarding.
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/default/forwarding

No need fancy tools, only echo & cat are good enough to tinker with how OS behave.

>closed source software is evil, all companies should open source their software
>EMBRACE EXTEND EXTINGUISH THIS IS EVIL MAKE THEM STOP
Pick one already. And yes, I am a shill.

>>56147641
Shit software is shit, open source or not.

>>56147641
This is /g/, why would you expect coherent discussion instead of tech-related meme-posting?

>>56144240
why would their port their half assed terminal emulator wannabe to systems with actually decent clis?

This is literally for nobody

kek, all those "I had years of uptime but [random event] recently" posts

>>56147697
There are no blue terminals on Leenux

>>56144714
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT! Master ruseman!

>>56145694
Isn't that kernel from like, 2012?
Jesus, why do you deprive yourself like that? Things have changed, Linux isn't half as abusive as it used to be.

>>56147697
>i think a terminal emulator, a shell and CLIs are the same things
Back in my day Linux users were at least knowledgeable. What happened, /g/?

I'm hoping Windows 11 is Unix based

>>56144844
>set up your firewall to protect yourself from the product you're trying to use
Snap out of it, for fuck's sake.

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>>56144240 see >>56144254

>>56144275
Never thought I'd see the day when a Linux buttnet worse than what Canonical shits out would be made. Hopefully MS keeps their big jew nose out.

>>56144306
>implying ms engineers know enough about that crazy shit to do anything but tweak it little by little
>implying they actually have proper documentation
>implying the nsa would allow it

>>56144381
More like full Down's Syndrome.

>>56144423
Microsoft is a whore anyways.

>>56144709
This. It's trash.

>>56145270
>>56145319
Pretty much.

>>56147854
Don't hold your breath.

>>56147891
Honestly, you should be setting up your firewall regardless of the OS you use. There's literally no excuse.

>>56145742
>>56147844
Not him but usually there's no need to upgrade your kernel if it works.

>>56147844
Debian Stable. It's just a homebrew server I made in my freetime. It doesn't do much (see the ram usage for exactly how much I use it.

I don't care to upgrade it that often.

>>56147474
>Again, what is that mystical magical core you are talking about?
/proc/
/dev/
etc.
windows has registry, linux has """files""" instead

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wtf i love microsoft now

>>56146953
>Winix

Best one.

>>56148704
same here
microsoft is the most likable corporation
like a good friend

>>56147968
Better power management and better filesystem performance are 2 good reasons, there are plenty others

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>>56144438
>not lindows

Powershell is a mess

>>56148871
Going from 4.6.4 to 4.7.1 dropped my boot time by like 1s.

Doesn't sound like a lot but my boot time was 7 seconds so it was.

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>>56148715
>not winx

>>56148946
You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to call you a faggot.

>>56148961
I'm on 4.8 rc2 and it's blazing fast

>>56144254
Pretty much.

>>56148722
>>56148704
Interestingly:
http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-more-trusted-than-apple-study-says/

>>56149075
I only updated because there was some added EFI support for temporary boot options that I wanted to use so I don't have to hit F12 or whatever to get to a boot list.

>>56148871
And more regressions and new bugs too. Usually if you use your computer for work and have no need for new hardware support it's safer to trust Debian maintainers on that.

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keep self posting, microshill

Like I fucking care

>>56150379
y u mad tho

>>56144846
>Experiment! Enjoy! Engage!
Three Es, huh? Wonder what else that could stand for.

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>>56150379
90% of this board is shills.

>>56144690
Jesus christ that font rendering made me hard

>>56153018
kek

>>56153229
Go to bed crashoverride, you've got 5th grade summer school makeup classes in the morning.

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>>56144240
>It's already in alpha release in the AUR

>>56153501
SEMEN
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>>56153529
She's twenty

>>56144528
Thanks breh