Is /g/ capable of explaining why they dislike Edward Snowden

>>56077424
If he was married, he would watch Tyrone do it with his wife.

>>56077424
Who said we dislike him?

>>56077445
>If he was married, he would watch Tyrone do it with his wife.

What did he mean by this?

>>56077424
He is a paid actor and nothing he ``whistleblew'' had any importance.

>>56077494
Hello NSA!

He could have leaked everything without plastering his ego all over it and acting like a prima donna faggot.

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>>56077494

It's hard to buy his "patriotic" bullshit when he runs away to Russia and sucks up to Putin.

He could have leaked only the stuff that applies to Americans (aka shit everyone already knew) but instead also compromised our international intelligence by revealing how we monitor other nations.

It sure was nice though of China and Russia, bastions of free information and transparency, to protect him. I'm sure they didn't ask for any information in return.

>>56077550
He did not run away to russia you ignorant faggot. He planned to travel to Venezuela but the state department cancelled his passport right before he arrived in Moscow. He spent a week or so in the fucking airprot.

>>56077445
He lives with his hot wife in Russia dummy.

>>56077532
I think he said at some point that he would have had a much higher chance of being tortured and killed if he stayed obscure. They figured out he leaked the information right after the first leak and before he revealed his name so there was no chance to stay anonymous anyway. Also, normies love celebrities so his leaks were probably taken more seriously.

>>56077592
This is the best possible reason.

>>56077424
He's a traitor. The american public had no right to know how the NSA was protecting america. President trump will have snowden executed.

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>>56077643

>>56077633
It's hard to buy his "patriotic" bullshit when he leaks a bunch of top secret information and then runs off to another country to avoid punishment while soaking up his fame and making tweets as if his opinion matters on everything.

>>56077424
Boomsters don't like him because they don't understand computers anyway and can barely use them.

>>56077550
Yea nevermind all the illegal wiretapping he exposed, He went to Russia to not end up facing a secret court in the "Land of the free".

He's a traitor. Call him whistleblower if you like, he betrayed his comrades.

Because /g/ is Ars Technica on steroids. Only shitposters and contrarians post here.

This, along with /TV/ are the worst boards because no one is trying to have a conversation and everyone is trying to rustle each other's jimmies by saying stupid shit. Eventually some newfags come along, read the bullshit and believe it's true, so they keep repeating it and threads become echo chambers of bullshit.

>>56077494
fuck off NSA

>>56077643
>>56077659
NSA POST

>>56077643
>President trump
As far as I'm concerned Trump knows what's good for the average american. Sorry /g/, but Trump winning is more important than free information.

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>>56077424
because he's cuter than the majority of /g/

>>56077694
What else was he gonna do in an airport?

>>56077643
>>56077770
Hi SHillary.

>>56077748
/g/ was entirely pro-privacy before Trump came along. There were Ron/Rand Paul threads for years.

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>>56077813
You're not misinformed, are you?

>>56077813
you realize trump literally said snowden was a traitor and that he was a spy planted by another country, right?

go back to /pol/ where everyone will play along

Considering how the intelligence community and government reacted to previous whistleblowers like William Binney and Thomas Drake, I'm pretty convinced that Snowden did the right thing.

People who went through official channels were retaliated against, had their houses raided repeatedly, and had bullshit trumped up charges brought against them (which were dropped as soon as it was clear they weren't going to inform on other whistleblowers). Drake spent his retirement savings fighting off the charges the government tried to stick him with.

As far as "damage to national security" goes, the damage Snowden inflicted doesn't hold a candle to the damage the NSA (and other organizations) has inflicted on this country over the past 15 years in the name of counter-terrorism.

snowden did the right thing, but the guy personally seems like an insufferable full of himself douchebag

>>56077852
Based trump. Keep the NSA program going, I have nothing to hide.

>>56077424
cuck

>>56077424
How is this /g/ related?

>>56077870
>inflicted doesn't hold a candle to the damage the NSA (and other organizations) has inflicted on this country over the past 15 years in the name of counter-terrorism.

Can you prop up any figures to back this statement? What damage are you speaking of and how do you measure it?

The CIA used fake vaccines to track down Bin Laden. Now extremists refuse to allow/use vaccines, and diseases like Polio are on the rise.

How can you speak against Snowden when the USG is causing massive damage though its lack of accountability?

>>56077870
FYI, the NSA started mass surveillance programs before 9/11.

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>>56077813
Not everyone who is critical of Trump's policy supports Hillary. In fact, a lot of people don't support either of them.

>>56077939
>Now extremists refuse to allow/use vaccines, and diseases like Polio are on the rise.

And that's a bad thing?

>>56077899
are you some kind of leader of this board?

>>56077939
>Polio on the rise
>Polio's eradication is championed as the most important Vaccine victory
lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSc8mJtem0k

>>56077910
They've weakened encryption and security standards, inserted vulnerabilities and backdoors in a wide variety of hardware and software products, stockpiled vulnerabilities in commercial software products, and infiltrated many US companies when they weren't cooperative with them.

All of that not only harms the security of US networks, firms, and people, but also hurts our information technology businesses by driving away foreign business. The NSA is supposedly in charge of information assurance for the government, but is instead hyper-focused on offense, even when it compromises our security.

More broadly, a lot of the powers the national intelligence community was granted after 9/11 were not mainly used to combat terrorism. They were instead used as daily tools of investigation primarily in domestic criminal cases.

From 2006 to 2009, only 0.8 percent of sneak and peek warrants (15 out of 1,755) were used for counter-terrorism cases, the rest were for fraud or drugs. These numbers haven't really improved over recent years, despite expansion in the use of sneak-and-peek warrants. Only 0.5 percent of sneak-and-peek warrants were used for terror-related cases in 2013. From 2003 to 2006, the government issued 192,449 national security letters, which led to 1 terror-related conviction (and even in that case, the evidence obtained through the NSL wouldn't have been necessary to convict the suspect). The government currently issues about 60 NSLs a day.

>>56077951
I'm aware, but 9/11 guaranteed political support for dragnet surveillance. Inside NSA, the more limited (and probably more effective) surveillance system they were developing was discarded in favor of the Trailblazer project, which ultimately got cancelled by Congress after the IG found it to be wasteful and ineffective. Of course, NSA continued the program under different names and formats (which then in turn were cancelled and restarted again). That's a pattern with them.

>>56077494
Oh hey, agent #8984593, long time no see

>>56077494
Importance is relative dummy.
Most people care that Clinton was saying on Germany and UK or that that the Clinton foundation has never given proceeds to any of it's charitable causes more than what city is rioting over criminals next. But hey keep your nose where you're told to keep it and you'll never smell something funny

>>56077993
It's a bad thing because whether you like the terrorists or not, a readily accessible viral reservoir of Polio is the last thing this world needs.

>>56078037
>They've weakened encryption and security standards

This is too abstract. Please get down to specific things.

>inserted vulnerabilities and backdoors in a wide variety of hardware and software products, stockpiled vulnerabilities in commercial software products, and infiltrated many US companies when they weren't cooperative with them.

NSA can't solely do these things. The government is the main enforcer. NSA provides technical capability and expertise.

>They were instead used as daily tools of investigation primarily in domestic criminal cases.

Isn't this more of a complaint about how the institution was repurposed falsely?

>by driving away foreign business

Again, this reads like an implication, not a matter of fact. I haven't heard of businesses or exporters wanting to get out of the US market. It's financial value is way more important to many than supposed personal security risks that haven't yet materialized.

>>56078037
>sneak and peek warrants
Do you mean warrants for wiretapping? That's not alarming unless they got the evidence required for the warrant unconstitutionally.

>>56077445
haha epic cuck meme famalam! praise le kek! xD

>>56078189
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG

http://blogs.wsj.com/cio/2014/01/17/obama-addresses-economic-damage-caused-by-snowden-nsa-leaks/

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa-upgrade-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/08/05/the-nsa-is-giving-your-phone-records-to-the-dea-and-the-dea-is-covering-it-up/

He made people go crazy. I don't like people going crazy....

>>56077794
Sarah Harrison.

>>56078037
This is done to stop terrorism you cuck. Do you honestly want durkas to destroy america?

>>56078382
>>/pol/

>>56078472
>Muh /pol/ boogeyman
Back to reddi.t with you, cuck.

>>56078472
Can't you be a little bit more edgy-honest and say something like

>>56078382
They don't have the military or human capability to accomplish that. On personal note, all my communication happens on the internet, I don't have to go outside to fullfill myself while exposing to potential terror threats. There will be a few dozen attacks and plenty of deaths but I won't be a exposed to them so stopping terrorism isn't a concern for me.

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>>56078382

Traitor
Contract breaching liar

>>56078607
he didn't swear an oath to the guy who gave him his employment contract, or to the NSA. He swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. And since the NSA was and is blatantly violating the Constitution, he owes them no loyalty. He executed his higher responsibility to fight the traitorious behavior of his superiors.

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>>56078382
Please tell me how many mass shootings and terrorist attacks have been stopped by NSA's data mining.

>>56078027
>eradicated means it completely dissapeared from the world

it means 0 people infected retard, polio can still show up if you don't take your shot

>>56078311
No. Sneak and peek was a special type of warrant that was introduced after 9/11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneak_and_peek_warrant

When it comes to wiretaps, it depends on who was doing the wiretapping. In the case of NSA, the majority of the wiretaps were either done with FISA warrants or with no warrants (these no-warrant taps were either justified through various secret legal arguments, or were just done illegally)

>>56078703
Not that guy, but it's not like they can admit they're spying on people when they detain someone "under suspicion" or "from an unknown source"

>>56077899
this is why people filter tripcodes

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>>56077424
that fucking mole on his neck makes me queasy every time i see it

>>56078844
Also, one of the more fucked up legal arguments the NSA came up with was that they could intercept and store communications without a warrant, they argued that they needed a warrant to read it.

They called reading something "collection", and used that term repeatedly in testimonies to Congress without making a distinction between the plain English meaning of "collect" and their bureaucratic definition of "collection".

>>56078924

> snowden

> mole

heh

>>56077494
The more technical details he leaked have made a huge difference under the hood.
You didn't notice because you didn't pay attention, don't know shit about anything and was fed the washed out mainstream media story.

>>56077550
His country would've tortured and killed him.
He's patriotic towards the people of his country, not his country's corrupt leaders.

>>56077592
As someone not from the us, China or Russia, I cannot take this as a valid reason.

>>56077643
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.
Applies to your government as well.
Why would they keep it hidden if it was for good?

>>56078929
>they argued that they needed a warrant to read it

Except in cases where they targeted a foreign person or organization and "collected' (processed or read) all of their communications. If some of their communications were with US citizens, those communications were "incidentally collected".

Sometimes, they even expanded that further, arguing that they could "collect" all communications _about_ a foreign target without a FISA warrant (regardless whether or not a foreign person was party to a communication).

>>56078887
>filtering The Falcon

>>56078924
I have a mole like that and this is the first time I've been self conscious about it in years

I love these posts. Brings NSA shills out in max reality distortion. He waz a TRAITORRRXZ!!!! The butthurt never end

>>56079494
Some people actually believe he was a traitor. Those people usually lack the ability to think critically, and can't discern what is good for the country vs what is good for the NSA.

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>tfw hate Hillary for wanting to undermine encryption
>tfw hate Trump for wanting to increase domestic NSA spying
>tfw Julian Assange will die in Ecuadorian embassy
>tfw average American is convinced Snowden is Russian sympathizer
>tfw no one cares about personal privacy
>tfw government wants to make privacy illegal
>tfw it's been like this for decades
>tfw we will all die in Orwell's worst nightmare
Maybe I should round up all those worthless mini b cables I have lying around and tie up a noose.

>>56079601
>giving up
All that is required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

>>56077852
We all know he was a democrat until 5 minutes ago and almost all of his policies could have come from a democrat.

>>56079648
*tips fedora*

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>>56079601
>the statute of limitations for Assange will expire in 2020
>he still won't be allowed to take up asylum

Blowing the whistle on the data collection policies was the right thing to do. However, he took way to far when he released classified information that had nothing to do with the data collection program. He got people killed because of it and for that reason he should be in jail. If all he did was leak information about the data collection programs I'd be fine with him.

he's an opportunist. he (or the media, which he has not corrected in their assumptions) lives a persona of a security expert, a world-class critic of security practices, when he has none of the qualifications such a person would normally have (advanced degrees, long careers in security tech, and definitely something more substantial than "smuggled a bunch of files out on a USB stick once then fucked off to Russia")

>>56079905
>he got people killed
[citation needed]

>>56079689
>anime belongs on reddit
What the fuck are you smoking? It has been a part of the 4chan culture.

Yes, some people go overboard (makispammers), but that's no reason to attack anybody who posts anime. Don't direct your anger at the innocent /a/nons, but rather at the makiposters who annoy you so much.

>>56079725
It's not an /anime website/, stop using that stupid phrase. There are many boards not remotely connected to anime, but they have anime because it's a cultural thing. It's 4chan's thing. You usually get whatever your board's dedicated for + some anime. Forcing a change because anime makes you feel uncomfortable outs you as an "outsider", which the majority of 4chan hates, since they give 0 fucks about all the unwritten rules and they want to bring their own terrible culture with them.

What if I went over to Tumblr and forced them to stop being PRO homosexuals, bisexuals, whenever-kins, mental illness and fat people because that simply makes me uncomfortable? Yes, they might become better people in general, but Tubmlr would lose the original appeal it once had. Here, some of the old regulars can start a new community similar to the old Tumblr, but it will never get as big as old Tumblr were. Do you want to kick people out of what's basically their home, their place which brings them calmness just because they post some things which upset you? Fuck you.

Now that I think about it, that's a rather shitty example, but what the fuck, I'm not going to type anymore.

>>56079966
>but what the fuck, I'm not going to type anymore.
thank god

>>56078344

why do you have the handwriting of a half-retard?

>>56079966
The newfags will never learn, unfortunately. I've always dreamt of someone super rich with nothing to lose like Notch buying out 4chan and mass-purging all the kiddies, something that can never happen when the sites owned by someone in it for the money like Hiroshimoot.

>>56077424
The only people who hate him are statists. Beyond that he's only done good by making the Government more transparent.
Transparency is important in trust and it's now obvious why the government isn't as transparent as it could be and why people odn't trust the government.
Simple pimple

>>56079905
>He got people killed
Who?

>>56077738

Typical braindead yank. You guys truly are fucking retarded :D

>>56077424
I don't like dead people

by the way, why isn't anybody talking about this? man has a dead mans switch on his twitter for an hour, and then doesn't tweet for over a week, while he usually tweets twice a day (did so for the past 4-5 months pretty consistently)

>>56082480
RT reported that he's okay. What's the matter, don't you trust the Russian government?

>>56077424
his name sounds like a dwarf npc in wow

>>56077424
I dislike him because that wasn't his information to leak.
I also dislike him because he made it harder to join the NSA.

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>>56077424
The NSA dislike him, and they post a lot on /g/.

>>56079055
>Why would they keep it hidden if it was for good?

why are undercover operative names hidden?
why are pedophiles arrested in groups instead of individually?
why are videogame cheaters banned in batches instead of individually?

your logic is flawed buster.

I like what he did.
He's a bit of a liberal idiot though.
Cunts like Jacob Applebaum turned him from a good republican / libertarian into a cuck.

>>56082512
I know its bait but I'm genuinely spooked about all that. why are they making this effort. also the greenwald guy saying he's fine. why couldn't he say it himself if he's fine? and why was everyone like "oh this one guy says he's fine so he's fine". its not even subtle, I don't get it.

>>56079702
>Only leftists like him!
>Leftists dislike him
This board is /pol/ with nicer computers

Any one who dislikes Snowden for his actions doesn't understand network security, government intrusion, and fell for the media manipulation.

Revealing how we spied on foreign nations, pales in comparison to the revelation of vast amount of data collection on its own citizens the government justifies as fighting terrorism, despite the continued terrorist attacks.

I'm more pissed off at the American people for not being more outraged.

>>56082587
not him but your logic is flawed here
youre confusing an entity with the person
theres an inherent danger to an individual person spying
not so much when group of people are spying
do you understand now?

>>56077445
>projecting amerilard

>>56077424
He is the king of /g/, duke of /pol/.

>>56077891
>le-nothig-to-hide-maymem
It's time to go back pal-so.
>>>/pol/

>>56077424

Dude was a contractor with the NSA. What he has released is waaay over the head of any one person. Either the NSA themselves are pushing this shit out to cover up something more massive or Snowden has state sponsored resources.

>>56077770
>trump knows whats good 4 u, nothing 2 hide nothing 2 fear uwu

>>56077891
>I have nothing to hide.
Care to post your browser history?

>>56078514
>muh /reddit/ boogeyman
>having this little self-awareness

>>56077642
>I think he said at some point that he would have had a much higher chance of being tortured and killed if he stayed obscure.
He's also said he was more worried about the three journalists he originally leaked to

>>56083194
You underestimate what one man with SIPRnet/JWICS access can do.

>>56077694
You're welcome for knowing how much your government rapes your privacy by the way.

>>56079732
>I am going to vote for Trump because he was a """"""democrat"""" back when he said something that I should definitely vote against

That is such a twisted, fucked up intellectual shortcut.

Because he's basically the average /g/ user but he was rocketed to world fame by circumstance, and now his word is taken as sage advice even though he's a dime a dozen IT monkey.

Why the fuck would I ever want to use software for security endorsed by a guy who actually wasnt secure and is now wanted by the federal government?

People who hate Snowden are also anti vaxers and deny global warming

Tells you everything you need to know

>>56085337
but the anti-vaxers are the most critical of the government
the idea that they'd oppose snowden revealing the governments spying antics is rediculous

>>56078954
Underrated

>>56078344

>No timestamp.

>>56087279
It's an old photo.

>>56087279
Redditor

>>56077476
he's a cuck you idiot

>>56077424
Because he's a liberal, self-hating white man, godless, cuck

>>56077424
Pretty naive for not knowing about RNM.

>>56079732
Yah except he has been a card carrying republican since 88

>>56079249

t. The Falcon

>>56077694
It's not top secret to protect American citizens from foreign enemies. It's top secret to protect the government from its citizens.

>>56077424
The guy is a hero. Only government drones and trolls would claim to dislike him.

>>56077694
>unironically parrotting government propaganda

>>56077852
What a shitty man that Trump. Sure he wants NSA to work for him.