>3 different buttons to tell people you use an app >not

>>56026134
>drag Xcode to the trash
>Empty the Trash
>Open the App Store
>Download Xcode
WOOOOOOW

>>56026416
>having to do all that non-obvious shit instead of pressing a fucking reinstall button
But facebook connectivity was essential to have there!

>>56026134
wow two threads in one day from you?? slow it down, i don't want you to burn out.

>>56026460
>this mad at how shit OS X is

>>56026460
s/threads/blog posts/

>>56026472
whatever, he's funny.

>facebook machine prioritizes facebook
When memes become real.

>using the Appstore

http://adcdownload.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Xcode_7.3.1/Xcode_7.3.1.dmg

>>56026544
Top kekkles

>>56026134
Ok, you're right, OS X is SJW bullshit.
What's a good Linux distro?

>>56026578
Apartheid Linux

>>56026578
Arch.
>but it takes too long to install
Good things have a price, but if you want something more hassle-free try Fedora with KDE.

>>56026450
>basic filesystem operations in the Finder are non-obvious
Do we also need to tell you where applications are generally located on OS X?

>>56026578
gentoo

>>56026606

Yes, because, ironically, Finder is shit at actually finding anything.

>>56026606
Uh yes it's not obvious that a desktop shell is responsible for deleting apps while the App Store doesn't do that but instead is responsible for posting on facebook. How is this not a fucking joke?

>>56026606
You should have been here for his two other threads.

>>56026697
>you don't get it, it's that one guy from that one time!
Faggots like you are insufferable.

>>56026599
You retards ruin it for everybody else. Instead of recommending a distro that is entirely hassle free and specifically designed for 99% of desktop use cases, you go ahead and recommend shit like this. You people are the reason all the Winbabbies constantly rattle on about how Windows "just werks" and Linux is "broken and stupid". Arch is a good distro, but don't even kid yourself and say it's a good fit for a beginner.

>>56026578
Do not attempt Arch. It's neat but certainly not for beginners and will sour Linux for you. Even Fedora with KDE is an off-color choice.

If you want to install Linux and not have to go head first, install Ubuntu with Unity or Fedora with GNOME. Don't fuck with alternate DEs; they never get the same QA and it usually ends up biting you in the ass. Annoyances aside, Unity and GNOME have been polished up pretty good since the last time half of /g/ used them, so just ignore the noise. You can reinstall if you really need to.

>>56026726
He asked what was a good Linux distro. Arch is the best Linux distro (rolling release, huge repositories, always up-to-date), just not at all the most convenient to install. If someone told me they wanted to try out Linux for the first time of course I'd say Mint or Ubuntu.

>Even Fedora with KDE is an off-color choice.
Here's the thing: Gnome is seriously lacking in configuration. The mouse menu is a perfect example, if you have a high-DPI mouse and want to reduce speed, the minimum of the slider is still way too high. KDE has a numeric input for that if I remember correctly, plus a lot more choices.The reason I recommend KDE is because it's a safe choice, whatever options normies need it will be on a GUI menu.

Fedora is also not the best suggestion for a total normie distro because of the whole Broadcomm situation.

>>56026416
holy shit, is that really how macfags reinstall software?

>>56026707
It is you, though.

>>56026782

xcode actually used to be different, but they put it in the appstore and made it worse to install.

>>56026782
As opposed to uninstall and installing?

>>56026787
I'm not even OP, you retard.

>>56026794
I think the point is as opposed to a reinstall option or not having to use a separate app to uninstall.

>>56026794
as opposed to clicking on your package, hehe, and pressing reinstall

the fuck do you do if you don't have internet at that moment?
or if the fucking appstore doesn't work?
or if it takes a fuckton of time to download?

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>>56026726
>>56026780
I was just shitposting, I run Gentoo.

>>56026827
>I run Gentoo.
>on phone

Checks out. he's probably still compiling.

>>56026134
>not just curl http://adcdownload.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Xcode_7.3.1/Xcode_7.3.1.dmg > /tmp/x.dmg | hdiutil attach /tmp/x.dmg | mv /Volumes/Xcode/xcode.app | hdiutil detach /Volumes/Xcode | rm /tmp/x.dmg
to reinstall:
rm /Applications/Xcode.app | curl http://adcdownload.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Xcode_7.3.1/Xcode_7.3.1.dmg > /tmp/x.dmg | hdiutil attach /tmp/x.dmg | mv /Volumes/Xcode/Xcode.app /Applications/Xcode.app | hdiutil detach /Volumes/Xcode | rm /tmp/x.dmg

>>56026839
I have both a desktop and a phone.

Didn't expect that, heh? You cheeky bastard.

>>56026782
No, this is: >>56026848

>>56026848
or rm /Applications/Xcode.app | mas install 497799835 if you need a reinstall button

>>56026848
well, and i thought a button would do the trick

>>56026866
does linux have a reinstall button? Or windows for that matter?

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>>56026780
>Arch is the best Linux distro

>>56026884

Yes, software centers have a remove button at least.

>>56026884
I think KDE does, Gnome doesn't, but obviously has a remove button on the Software manager. Not sure about Unity, but again, uninstall button.
And of course any CLI package manager has the

reinstall

>>56026782
Yes for every application in /application. Although for apps downloaded from the Mac App Store you can go into launchpad, click and hold on the application you want deleted and it will show a X like iOS. Click the X and OS X will uninstall a bit more thoroughly than just dragging to trash. A bit like iOS, I know but it can be helpful for technormies. People bitch about iOS getting into OS X (macOS) but it has really fleshed out the OS since snow leopard, which seems feature-limited now.

>>56026134
No share on tumblr?

>>56026884
most packages in windows do since most use install shield, it has to be some 3rd world 3rd party to miss it
don't know about the windows 10 store in their mindless attempt to copy applel
as for linux i'm pretty sure unity and kde have some form of it

>>56026970
Thank god OS X has self-contained packages so we can uninstall by simply removing it!

>>56026970
Not him, but that's not really the same... that's tracking down the installer you kept and choosing the reinstall option, instead of having one thing to handle all of this.

>>56026994
You can do the same thing in Windows or Linux.

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>>56027006
well no, actually windows tracks it for you and it's all in one thing

>>56026134
gentle reminder that they only recently added a second mouse button.

>>56027406
os x could use second mouse button from the beginning.

>>56026937
>people bitch about ios getting into os x

things 98% of the world has never witnessed, but you guys probably revel in that niche-ness

>>56027426

did it blow peoples minds?

>>56027406
If by recently you mean the early 90s.

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>>56026599

>good things have a price
>doesn't apply this logic to macOS

ok

Please tell me in what os there exists a "reinstall button"
With Windows
> win+r
>app wiz.cpl
>select program
>uninstall
>uac needs admin password
"Are you sure you're doing what you want" dialog
>redownload installer.exe, wait for it to download the actual application and install
>restart computer

Linux
I assume a CLI command "su reinstall X"(?) or something

OS X
>navigate to application (I.e. Firefox.app)
>delete app
>reinstall from Firefox.dmg (it might be in the App Store)
Or
>cli command (since it's a UNIX system)

>>56027752
>I assume a CLI command "su reinstall X"(?) or something
No, you use the package manager, but I'm not sure whether or not reinstall exists as I've never reinstalled a package.

>>56027752
>I assume a CLI command "su reinstall X"(?) or something
Uh yes. That's what a package manager is for. Also a few DE's have an actual reinstall button on whatever GUI they use, or at the very least an uninstall/install button, instead of using the shell for uninstalling and then the app store for installing and posting on facebook.

>cli command (since it's a UNIX system)
What cli command? Genuine curiosity here.

>>56027806
Yum/dnf, apt-get and zipper all have reinstall buttons. Gonna go on a limb here and assume pacman does too.

>ssh command not found
>gcc command not found
>perl command not found
>ruby command not found
>python command not found
>double click pdf
>does not recognize this format
>double click zip/rar
>does not recognize this format


why do people take babby's first OS winblows seriously again?

>>56027866
Pretty sure windows opens PDFs with some Metro app, and I think zips/rars open like folders now (and to be be honest that's much better than opening a new window, despite being a file).

>>56026622
You've never used OS X

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>>56027969
I can timestamp it if you want.

>>56027548
Basic logic: all good things having a price doesn't mean all pricy things are good

>>56026622
Who the fuck uses finder instead of the terminal and find util?

Not to mention you can easily tag files and folders and tag search in the terminal.

No more worrying about putting your files into one of several arbitrary categories. Just tag them

>>56026134
>too autistic to comprehend social media
>too dumb for osx
wow Im really really sorry for you.

>>56028004

no, you can't make that argument then not apply the same logic to the app store

by that logic, i'm fine with the app store being shit, because good things like macOS have a price

>>56027996
that's not finder by the way, that's launchpad

>>56027996
>doesn't know the difference between finder and launchpad
First day playing with an OS X VM?

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>botnet intergrated into the right click menu
>yfw facebookd will be a thing eventually

>>56026622
You mean spotlight and youre literally retarded.

>>56028022
>It's your fault for using the app store to uninstall instead of posting on facebook!

>>56028038
I know, but isn't launchpad an actual part of Finder?

>>56028034
But Arch IS very good, it just takes a long time to install and configure, but the end result is very good. The product's quality has nothing to do with how long it took to get there or how much it costed. A Stradivarius took a long time to make and had to be done entirely by hand, but the end result was fantastic. And macOS doesn't even cost anything.
On the other hand, if your OS has a shitty package manager then you can't validate the premise that it's a good thing.

>>56028095
No, he didn't (I'm assuming). Spotlight is good at finding stuff. Finder, or the Launchpad, sucks.

>>56028125
>I know, but isn't launchpad an actual part of Finder?
Not at all, finder is simply the file manager. Launchpad is a recent addition and you can find it's .app in Applications, aptly named "Launchpad.app". You can safely remove it with sudo rm -rf /Applications/Launchpad.app if you'd like as it isn't in any way associated with the finder in /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app

>>56028125

macOS costs nothing, and is very good. requires no sort of futzing about with installation

calling the app store a 'package manager' shows fundamental misunderstanding in how macOS functions

use pkg, homebrew, or macports for that - all great package managers

>>56028125
Launchpad isn't the finder, you subhuman inbred. Finder and Spotlight both use mdfind to search, and spotlight is amazing. How stupid do you have to be to confuse the two?

>group applications into folders in launchpad
>for everything else use find -iname

How fucking hard is this

>>56028125
arch may have been good but while you were typing that shitpost 14 new updates deployed and 6 of them broke something because they are preAlpha releases

>>56028165
>calling the app store a 'package manager' shows fundamental misunderstanding in how macOS functions
So it doesn't have a package manager? What a piece of crap

>use pkg, homebrew, or macports for that
>use this ruby script that calls itself a package manager that conflicts with already existing packages to solve OS X's lack of a package manager
Yeah, thanks.

>>56028174
I'm sorry I don't know OS X as well as you anon :(

>>56028214
That meme died, anon. Arch works fine.

>>56028214
I dont use arch anyomore but i love this argument

I cant put this puzzle together so it doesnt work it sucks!!!

Dont blame arch for your own incompetence

>>56028254
No adult with a job uses arch its for kids who can deal with random bugs and glitches from preAlpha open source spaghetti

>>56027866
how to take a screenshot of a section of the screen on windows
>open up start
>open sniptools
>click new
>drag rectangle
>save
>confirm

Same thing on os x
>cmd+shift+4
>drag rectangle

how to record screencast out of the box on windows
>you can't
>download and install unregistered hypercam
>try to live with the watermark

same thing on os x
>it's built into quicktime

I wish windows would make everyday things easier

>>56028281
Arch is perfectly stable. Reason i dont use it for development is package versions i need for e.g use python 3.4 not 3.5 or whatever. Could always use vagrant...

And arch doesnt push alpha, it pushes packages mainstream and testing consider stable

>>56028038
Don't respond, he did this a few weeks ago.

>>56028322
>you don't get it, it's that one guy from that one time!
Again, what an insufferable faggot. And you're still here!

everytime I reinstall windows my desktop is littered with shortcuts

is this the symptom of a lack of a good out of the box dock and launcher or am I just stupid

>>56028341
There really can't be multiple people confusing spotlight for launchpad in the exact way you did, sorry guy.

>>56028354
How are you reinstalling? Stock Windows doesn't create desktop icons.

>>56028310
>how to record screencast out of the box on windows
I believe that was implemented in windows 10

>>56028359
But anon, that post wasn't about Spotlight at all. I claimed Launchpad was a part of Finder, someone said they were totally different apps, I never mentioned Spotlight. Did you get confused or are you lying?

>>56028386
>trying to find system preferences by searching 'settings' in the launchpad search
>not the one guy that ever did that
ok

>>56028375
>However, for those that want to do image and video capture on-the-cheap, Microsoft includes a screen recording utility in Windows 10's new Xbox app. As you can imagine, this is generally meant for recording Xbox games streamed to a Windows 10 PC, but what's especially interesting is that the recording utility also works for regular apps.

>A couple caveats, though. The first is that is that the Xbox app has to be running for the recording utility to be available for use. The second is that the app only records video and images in the current window. You can't switch apps and keep recording or capturing images. So, it is somewhat limited and provides only basic capabilities. However, if you only need a quick screen capture, it'll do the trick in a pinch.

Is this what you're referring to?

Why do you need 2 or 3 different search engines? Spotlight finder and launchpad?

Wouldnt it make more sense to have one that does it all

I find it awful.

I can't create useful snippets where the same word gets inserted in different places anything else that's somewhat advanced.
C++ autocompletion is shit. Autocompletion is shit in general. The fuzzy matcher from alcatraz doesn't find some functions, which is also shit.

>>56028406
Why are you backtracking, anon? This was your claim:
>There really can't be multiple people confusing spotlight for launchpad in the exact way you did, sorry guy.
>confusing spotlight for launchpad
Yet if you follow the trail of replies, only Finder and Launchpad are mentioned. At most I mistook those, but Spotlight isn't mentioned. Again, are you lying or confused?

>>56028417
Finder is not a search engine, Spotlight is desktop search. All the Launchpad search bar is for is to find an application within launchpad.

>>56028431
Visual studio, CLion and QtCreator are only good c++ ides i have ever used. Anything else and you might as well use vim + plugins at least you would have proper text editor

>>56028458
Dont have OSX so have no idea but my idea still stands

Why not have single search service and just use it then you would be able to find everything within and outside of launchpad

>>56028481
Because it's a retarded OS.
Fun fact: spotlight doesn't even work in launchpad.

>>56026599
>>but it takes too long to install
it doesnt if you use antergos

>>56028481
>Dont have OSX so have no idea

Why the fuck are you still talking. People have been spoonfeeding you answers that you willfully ignore. Fuck off

>>56028226

>ruby script

yes, that's homebrew.

at least do your research before you post. pkgsrc is written in C & sh and used on a number of BSD flavors.

>>56028226

also I thought a big part of the beauty of arch is the modularity?

seems funny someone evangelizing arch would criticize macOS for not including something by default. you can choose to install a package manager if you're someone who needs one, but macOS doesn't force you to

you even have a number of choices for what package manager to use

>>56028587
They could be written in ASM for all I care, the real problem is still that using more than one application to manage packages has path problems. For example you can use zipper or dnf, but if you use both you'll have problems.

>>56028575
Because he asked a question about an OS on a technology board inside a thread dedicated to that OS.

>>56028628
You're misunderstanding what I said, either on purpose or by accident.
In Linux you have a choice of package manager. You can make fedora work with apt-get or Ubuntu with pacman. It will take some configuring, but it's possible. And you can have no package manager at all, if you want.
You can't do that in macOS. You can't get rid of the App Store, you can only choose to add third-party package managers and deal with the problems of having more than one application adding stuff to /bin

>>56028481
>Why not have single search service
Uh, they do. It's spotlight.

>>56028720
No they don't. Launchpad doesn't use the spotlight search.

>>56026134
Reinstall? That would imply there being an error in the installation.

Why would you need to reinstall? OS X has no errors.

>>56028683

true, app store is bloat and i don't use it, but don't misunderstand what it does

there's no issue running into path problems because the app store is not a "package manager", its a method for installing precompiled binaries of exclusively GUI applications

if that's your criticism, fine - i don't remember the last time i installed a non-CLI utility on debian via the package manager. its just not a common use case

so no, Linux provides no advantage other than not having the app store. it's the same shit, and on some distros they even have their own version of it

>>56028737
Launchpad isn't MEANT to be use for search. The search bar is just there to help you find the applications in Launchpad. How dense are you?

>>56028759
>it's not meant to good!
Ok my bad.

>>56028752
>the app store is not a "package manager", its a method for installing precompiled binaries of exclusively GUI applications
How is this not a package manager?
Anyway no, that's not my criticism. If you install XCode through the app store and then git through macports, you'll have 2 git binaries and depency problems, for example.

>>56028806

fair criticism. my argument would be twofold:

this almost never happens - do you have an example of another conflict that could happen via installing an application from the app store?

and why would someone knowingly install the same binary twice from two different sources and purposefully cause dependency problems?

>>56028847
>do you have an example of another conflict that could happen via installing an application from the app store?
Anything from xcode - python, ruby, openssl.
>why would someone knowingly install the same binary twice from two different sources and purposefully cause dependency problems?
Whoever said anything about purposefully? People don't usually intend to fuck things up.

After reading this thread i came to realization that OSX is same shit as windows 10 only with less spying

>>56028806
>it's not meant to good!
No, it does literally nothing else but search the labels for the icons in Launchpad. I'm sorry you're retarded.

>>56028994
>you're retarded for expecting a search bar to actually search for things!
Wew.

>>56029037
Oh I'm being trolled.

>>56026134
It also takes more than an hour to install.

>>56026134

Yet I bet you are an android user (I can feel your poorfagbutthurtedness) and have:

6 launchers
4 email programs
7 browsers
16 keyboards
3 messaging applications

And they are suck just enough that you are looking for a better one of each.

Amirite?

>>56028034
You're failing the basic logic.

"Good things have a price" doesn't apply to Apple products, because they're not good, they're only pricy.

"Good things have a price" does apply to Arch Linux, because it's good, and therefore pricy in the sense or time investment.

>>56028481
Spotlight finds stuff
Finder allows you to navigate for stuff
Launchpad is an iOS like application that displays applications like an iOS home screen (for tech normies).

>>56029226
I'm afraid not.

>>56029328
I think what people would expect would be for launchpad to integrate the spotlight search, like Gnome.

>>56028909

so your only example is Xcode?

>>56029417
Yea, it might have if that was useful or its purpose. Launchpad is abandoned at this point anyway, you shouldn't be using it. We told you as much in the thread you made a week ago.

>>56029601
Why is that not an acceptable example?

>>56029635
I have no idea what you're taking about, anon.

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>>56029644

it is an acceptable example, its a perfectly valid situation that conflicts could arise from that

but if its the only example, then I think its fair to say its not much of an issue as long as you're aware of it

after all, all good things have a price

>>56029693
But anon, it does not happen on a proper GNU/Linux setup at all. It's not a good thing with a price, it's a bad thing.

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>>56029746

if you want to start comparing every bug from OS to OS, be my guest

your entire argument was based on this one app store + Xcode + package manager problem

which is a problem, is a niche situation to be in, and can be avoided/circumvented easily

god knows the innumerable number of bugs present on Arch and other distros that simply aren't an issue on macOS

OSX and Macfags are just non-poor Arch Linux users really.

Doesn't matter how broken or retarded their shit is as long as they can tell or show everyone they use it.

>>56029644
>I have no idea what you're taking about, anon.
What's it like to be this obtuse?

>>56029835
But those are bugs that developers fix.
This is a design flaw: until the day the App Store starts being a proper package manager and lets you add repositories, this problem will exist. It's not the same as X crashing because some header file changed path. There is no intention to fix this because it's not acknowledged as a problem by the people who develop this OS, and homebrew can't do anything about it.

>>56029889

this has to be bait

the app store is not intended to be a package manager, your ONLY example of it breaking other things is Xcode, which installs a whole host of packages

it should NOT be a package manager with repos, thats not its intended purpose. its for normies to download applications easily

a far better suggestion would just be to remove Xcode from the app store and have people download it manually, or via command line

>>56030121
>it should NOT be a package manager with repos, thats not its intended purpose.
It uses repositories of course, where do you think those packages get downloaded from?

>its for normies to download applications easily
That's exactly what a package manager is, anon. It's a bad one, but it's still a package manager. And regardless of what you call it, it's not comparable to generic Linux bugs because, as you yourself said, it's like this by design. There's no intention to fix it.

>>56030212

stop being unrealistic. no normie uses fucking apt-get or dnf, they use a GUI interface for them if they use them at all

macOS has clear separation between pre-build binaries bottled as applications, and CLI utilities generally intended for power-users

separation provides people with more options and less issues compared to using something like the software center on ubuntu, since those packages include CLI utilities

>>56030266
I don't understand the point of that separation. What's the issue? Someone could accidentally update gcc through the GUI? Oh no.

Of course this has nothing to do with my point. No matter what we call it, it's shit by design and will probably remain like this forever.

>>56027818
try those: >>56026848 >>56026864

>itt crapple lusers are mad, mad, mad
When will we make the use of Microsoft and Apple non-free malware illegal and force everyone to use GNU or *BSD? The computing world would be so much better off.

>>56030342
>5 pipes to reinstall one package
I can't stop laughing.

>>56030466
You could replace those by &&s though

>>56030322

if i'm an average user, aka more than 90% of the market, and I see tools like gcc in the app store, who knows what kind of issues that could cause?

it's confusing, user could install something they shouldn't have, could break things much easier

it's all about ease-of-use for the majority of people and not having your software get in your way

>>56028463
Yeah, you can add Clion as well, though. That shit rocks.
Unfortunately, the project I work on doesn't build on OS X via make, only via the Xcode toolchain so I can't really use anything else. I use Windows with VS now.

Still, I loved the compile speed from clang. Also debug builds from the Visual Studio compiler are ridiculously slow. Not just the build, but running it... I swear it's about 80x slower than a somewhat optimized build.

>>56030635
>if i'm an average user, aka more than 90% of the market, and I see tools like gcc in the app store, who knows what kind of issues that could cause?
None, what are you going to do, accidentally write and compile a C fork bomb? You're much more likely to fuck your system up by running sudo rm /bin in the console, and bash already comes with macOS, so the argument to keep the user safe is rendered void.

>>56030790

you're viewing this through the lens of a power user.

the reason macOS + iOS is so secure and breaks so infrequently is because of design choices like i previously mentioned

you may not personally be a fan of these choices, but to say they're universally shit is just ignorant

>>56026854
It's 2016, time to choose one or the other.

>>56030900
This isn't the viewpoint of a power user, it's just coherence: if you want to keep normies safe to the point of keeping cli tools hidden, lock the terminal behind a password input and one of those walls of text saying "if you do this bla bla bla no warranty".
This doesn't happen. People don't accidentally use tools and cause bad stuff, they use tools on purpose and accidentally do bad stuff. The difference is that everyone who fucks their system up with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda didn't install dd by accident.