Why does /g/ hate the AMD FX8350? Intel and their marketing

It was alright at release. Horrible now.

>>55980617
Because my i5 3570k( not OC) outperforms it in every game

As someone who had an 8350 it has nothing on even a core i3

>>55980617
I've never wanted a company to succeed so bad, despite never wanting to buy their products anyway

It's garbage, it can't even beat an i3.

Intel makas better cpus. Even the most retarded braindead amdrones admit this.
also this >>55980639

>>55980639
>>55980648
>>55980653
>>55980678
Intel shills still at it.

Have any of you seen benchmarks? There's literally nothing wrong with the 8350. You've all been cucked by Intel shills telling you it's bad.

>>55980659
this. my last AMD was a Phenom II X4 but i'm still a fanboy at heart. they'd have to fuck up Zen real bad for me to buy another Intel CPU.

It's starting to show its age. I'd still argue that it's a steal at its current price, but I'd rather just wait for Zen.

Why do people not get it...? There is reason things are made cheap. It's a cheap CPU and there's a reason for that.

>but but muh 8 cores and 5 ghz oc

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>>55980716
Shills? It's the truth.

Look at the pic to the left.

Even a fucking 8370 can't beat an i3.

The 8350 is even worse.

Total garbage.

>>55980716
Guess you didn't read my post, I owned one. Benchmarks or not it was acceptable to a point.

>>55980865
>Doesn't link site
>Uses one game as an example
Well holy shit, you must be right.

/g/ is a cesspool of Intel shills

>>55980865
The i3 does not beat the fx8350, are you fucking retarded?

>>55980617
Becuz gaymz!
Lol you cuck.

>>55980891
Fucking kill yourself. AMDrones are worse than nvidiots. Intel makes superior in every aspect cpus if you can afford them. This is a fact.

>>55980934
>Intel makes superior in every aspect cpus if you can afford them. This is a fact.
Yes... good goy. Send Intel some money. Good goy.

>>55980648
The i5 doesn't support ECC memory. Enjoy your constant crashes.

I have one i think its just as fast as any intel cpu when it comes to general computing. it was great value when it came out, but now im waiting to see whats amd new line is like before i upgrade.

>>55980906
>>55980891

Yes it does.

See: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10543/the-skylake-core-i3-51w-cpu-review-i3-6320-6300-6100-tested

In fact the i3-6100 even beats the 8370 in nearly every benchmark.

i3 is both cheaper and faster, there's literally no reason to get one of these piece of shit AMD CPUs.

>>55980962
>can't refute facts
>falls to meme
typical amdrone
protip: AMD uses i7 for their trash gpu internal benchmarks

I've been running the 8350 for awhile. I got it undervolted to 1.2v default frequency. I really have never required anything more. They toss so many volts than needed on these chips its amazing.

At any rate. If you want single threaded performance. Go intel. If you want cheap multithreaded performance. Go AMD. If you want the best of all worlds and have the money go Intel.

You came to a board of NEETs who think they're l33t hax0rz because they use linux and asked for their opinion on hardware?

Well it doesn't matter...between the H1B visa abuse and the racially discriminatory hiring practices...and still other reasons its morally reprehensible to buy Intel products.

And amd is cheaper anyway so bonus.

>>55980659
Third.

That, plus the fucking power consumption made me choose my 6600k when I almost went 880k. Doesn't seem like it would be worth paying double on the power bill over several years. I still live at home but this just means better performance AND more GBP

>>55980648
>I only play Arma 3

>>55980865
>the only games I play are shit games developed with only a single core in mind

The FX8350 is fine. I've never had an issue pairing it up with a GTX 970 on any game, even the newer ones.

>>55981104
Uhh the i3 wins in literally every game tested

>>55981107
In what? World of Warcraft? LUL

I got mine on sale for $180 with a motherboard that regularly cost $120.
This was like 3 years ago and it still runs fine, definitely worth it at the time and runs all my games really well.

>>55981234
How much did AMD pay you to post this? It's fucking trash kid. gtfo internet

>>55981221
wow is a cpu-heavy, largely-single-threaded application, if anything it should fare worst on AMD cpu's

>>55981308
Well then all the reviewers for AMD CPUs must be paid shills for AMD or lying then when they say they run everything on ultra at high FPS.

>>55980865
>3 fps difference

>>55981346
i said it'd probably fare worse, not that it can't be run on ultra at high fps

>>55981346
Yeah as if AMD has money for shills. No I'm afraid people might actually like the company and its products.

Intel can pay shills.

>>55980617
Because you need to overclock it. For that you need a 100$+ mobo and AT LEAST a 25$ cooler. At that point you can just buy an i5 with a basic mobo.

>>55981147
that's really cool and all, but what about other things? y'know, programs that aren't games

>>55980617
>Why does /g/ hate the AMD FX8350?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj7wnRA1yDo

>>55981366
3 fps difference and the i3 is $30 cheaper

You'd have to be a dumbass to buy an 8350

>>55981421
You can stop samefagging now. We get it, you like the i3 your mother bought you.

>>55981421
that i3 came out 3 years after i bought my 8320, smartass

>>55981438
Lol I don't even have an i3, I have an i7.

But if you're a poorfag, the i3 is a way better deal than the 8350. Both faster and cheaper.

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>>55980617
because if u wanna be a professionul gaymen expert, u gonna need intel cpu 4 the fps

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>>55981393
Like, web browsing?

i3 destroys 8370 (and especially 8350)

>>55981477
>Like, web browsing?
this is just embarrassing

>>55981477
>6320 > 6600
?

>>55981504
6320 has higher base clock

>>55981504
>javascript benchmarks

>>55981493
For you.

If you dont mind -40% IPC sompared to Sandy Bridge, there is nothing wrong with Piledriver.
At least it doesnt have hidden extra cpu spying on you. And it has soldered heatspreader, just like all 32nm Intel parts.

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>>55981477
>8370
>200$
>125W
>gets destroyed
>b-but amd is cheap

>>55980716
And on top of that these fucking morons seem to forget that Intel makes a new i3 every fucking year and the 8350 is a specific single processor...not a LINE OF processors

>>55981547
That's the release price and not the current one.

>>55980865
You realize you're comparing a LINE OF STILL BEING MADE PROCESSORS to a SINGULAR PROCESSOR THAT WAS MADE YEARS AGO AND only getting 3 fps difference for hundreds more our of your wallet

>>55980617
Shit IPC, causes housefires, and Zen is just around the corner.

Anyone buying AMD CPUs right now is either extremely poor or a total fucking retard.

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>>55980617
Think about it. It's Piledriver. In 2016

It's a 4 year old CPU that at it's time could barely match Sandy Bridge...

>>55980716
Dude open your fucking eyes I say this as a R9 390 user AMD CPUs are dogshit. It's literally like you're buying a 4 year old CPU from intel...

Piledriver is an architecture designed in 2010~2011 and then released in 2012.

>Imagine it's the year 2000. And you go and buy a 5 year old CPU. You buy a fucking Pentium 120 because it's PENTIUM GUYS.

GUYS AMD SUUUCKS YOU'RE ALL SHILLS. ATHLON HAS NOTHING ON PENTIUM. MY 150 MHZ PENTIUM 1 BEATS THE 1.4 Ghz Athlon Thunderbird EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK!

>>55981547
Yup.

AMD is just garbage now.

Can't compete on price, can't compete on performance, literally no reason to get AMD.

>>55981631
Uhh the i3 is cheaper. It's literally better performance for less price.

>>55980999
You are so fucking stupid....go look up when the two processors you're comparing came out and shut your damn mouth until you can do some ACTUAL research...the 8350 and 8370 are nearly a decade old and the skyline shit is less than 3 years old

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>>55981677
>the 8350 and 8370 are nearly a decade old

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>>55981677
>8350 and 8370 are nearly a decade old
4 years
>skyline shit is less than 3 years old
1 year

>Skyline

>>55981665
WHICH FUCKING I3 YOU GOD DAMN MORON! THERE'S DOZENS OF FUCKING I3S SOME MORE EXPENSIVE AND WORSE THAN THE 8350 AND SOME CHEAPER AND 3 FPS BETTER

>>55981677
Holy shit you are calling people stupid and literally everything in your post is wrong.

Jesus christ, AMDtards everyone.

>>55981713
Still making my point for me...and omfg how funny his autocorrect changed a word! Hawhawhaw I'm so original and cool and funny!

man, i sure wish i listened to /g/ and bought a late-2015 i3 instead of an 8320 back in 2012.

>>55981646
Not supporting Intel is reason enough. Unless you like immigrants, lowered wages and the slow collapse of western society.

Oh and H1B is barely better than indentured servitude anyway.

>>55981717
Pick any of the Skylake i3s, all of them are better.

Especially the i3-6100 because it's so cheap and ridiculously better than the 8350

>>55981747
>uh.. i-it was autocorrect which took the 'half' out of 'half a decade' .. a-and changed 3 to 1 somehow, yea. that's it.

>>55981775
kek

>>55981775
1 to 3*

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>>55981747
Wow are you from the future where auto correct changes numbers too?

>>55981736
Like you fucking nvidiots don't do the same shit >>55981775
You are so painfully stupid it hurts..I guessed since my 8320 is about 7 years old now and also have any of you posted proof I'm wrong? Nope. Classic nvidiots not providing ANY source to their information

>buying amd any year after the athlon64
ayyyyy

>>55981477
is there a video encoding benchmark too (x264)

>>55981791
Who the fuck said the numbers changed? Your legs hurt from jumping to conclusions all day?

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>>55981794
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition

Thats the last godly one they made.

Everything after that has been very lackluster.

>>55981763
Considering its a shit ton cheaper to get an 8350 I kinda distrust your sourceless info

>>55981793
>my 8320 is about 7 years old now

Interesting, so you're a time traveler?

8320 came out on October 23 2012

For regular stuff like video games and web browsing, the FX 6300 is honestly still fine, unless you're playing something CPU intensive like Cities Skylines or Total War. If you were looking for something with more horsepower for something like virtualization, it should go without saying that you shouldn't buy something that's nearly five years old. Intel and AMD both have advantages and disadvantages, it really just depends on use-case and budget.

>>55980639
to get like 90% of an i7's performance without the 300% price markup it's not bad.

for video encoding/rendering/working with VMs the 8350 is great.

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>>55981818
In what world is the late 2012 A DECADE OLD?

In what world is late 2015 3 years old?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_FX_microprocessors#.22Vishera.22_.2832_nm_SOI.29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)#Desktop_processors

>>55981477
I got my 8350 for about $50 so your prices are fairly fucked up....how about info from this year rather than three years ago?

>>55980617
it's a good CPU, but Volvo makes good excavators and that doesn't mean I want to drive to work in one of those

Bulldozer was a gamble that didn't work out, end of the line

although I'll agree that Intel marketing did manage to make perf/watt way more important to the average consumer than necessary

>m-muh 10$ a year

>>55981843
Are you retarded?

8350 - $160

i3-6100 - $118

>>55980617
I liked mine but it didn't even last me three years before slightly decreasing performance for a month or two, then plummeted to the point of replacing it. Bought a 4690k, and I'm doing great now. If the 8350 didn't suddenly shit itself and match performance of a core 2 duo I'd probably still have it. Admitably it sucks dick for 3d emulators.

>>55981861
In what world is Wikipedia trustworthy information when you could literally change it to suit your argument?

I use my VMware workstation license with my 8350, having 8 cores to assign to different VMs is great. 16 GB of RAM helps too.

>>55981885
Holy crap you really are retarded.

>>55981876
I got my 8350 for $50 so if anyone's retarded it would be you for throwing all your money at Intel every time they shit out a new processor

>>55981886
>having 8 cores to assign to different VMs is great.
but then who was host?

>>55981874
nvidia was really more responsible for that meme IMO, they just cook up random crap and their customer base believes it as gospel.

>>55981900
I can get intel second hand too.

>>55981857
90% of what i7 not a 6700k? I don't think so...
A i7 4790k maybe in very specific cases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vB1jKNp1Uo

>>55981892
And yet they're also not wrong...I could go change the article to say "amd and Intel produce monkey turds" if I wanted to

Someone tell me if FX 4320 4Ghz is good

>>55981912
>skylake i7 is the only i7, check my teleporting goal posts

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8350+Eight-Core

yeah, no

>>55981874
You know perf/watt is important for the business when you run thousands of pcs, you retarded /v/tard?

>>55981908
Who said secondhand? I bought that shit new...amd has sales almost constantly if you pay attention >>55981922
All the nvidiots will scream no at you...do the research yourself if you want an honest answer

Why does it mean so much to you to convince us all that the 8350 is good? If you have one and you like it, what does it matter what we think?

>>55981912
again you get much more than 50% of the performance for 50% of the price. it's a good trade-off if you don't NEED Intel for whatever reason.

>tfw fx8320

its fine for what i do, i dont play games

>>55981885
wikipedia's staff is adept at spotting and reverting vandalism

anything that's even remotely dubious is duly marked as such

in the end, Wikipedia is a valid source of information as long as it's corroborated by something else, and usually the sources it cites are enough

also, regarding the FX chips, people are forgetting that even if they're still pretty OK perf wise, AM3+ is a fucking dead socket and a total pain in the ass. I mean no AMD chipsets even support USB 3.0 natively. and you have these pitfalls where AM3+ mobos can't even supply power for recent FX chips and throttle them at stock frequency.

like many people here I don't like Intel and am anxiously waiting for Zen, but lying to ourselves isn't going to accomplish anything.

>>55981930
I'm talking about FX chips, not Opterons you dumb twat

>>55981941
because weird 12 year olds who go to bestbuy and have their mom buy a terry crews PC act like only intel and nvidia's top of the line consumer products are acceptable to them.

>>55981885
I can't believe you just wrote that.

Whats next you'll tell me achieve org and the AMD website is fake too?

http://archive.is/OH2Kx
>SUNNYVALE, Calif. —10/12/2011
Starting today, the below AMD FX CPUs will be available from global retailers. Additional AMD FX CPUs and systems based on the AMD FX processors will be available for purchase following the initial launch.
FX-8150: Eight cores, 3.6 GHz CPU base (3.9 GHz Turbo Core, 4.2 GHz Max Turbo), $245 suggested retail price (U.S.)

https://newsroom.intel.com/chip-shots/chip-shot-intel-unleashes-next-gen-enthusiast-desktop-pc-platform-at-gamescom/

>August 5, 2015
>at the event this week to announce availability of the unlocked Intel® Core™ i7-6700K and Intel® Core™ i5-6600K desktop processors and supporting Intel® Z170 chipset.

>>55981959
I play games and not even gta5 maxes that shit out...your gpu is about the only thing that matters anymore because games barely make use of powerful cpus anymore...they focus on gpu power

>>55981965
Xeons have better perf/watt than opterons, retard. Also office pcs don't run server cpus.

>>55981965
So you're telling me I couldn't go change it and get a screenshot before they notice? Are you THAT fucking naive?

>>55981988
Xeon's also usually require a $400 motherboard so have fun with those.

>>55981980
the last game i played was far cry 4, it worked mostly fine on my budget comp on medium settings, i have a gtx 960 too

>>55981941
I second this. even in shambles AMD seems to be able to fund its R&D teams well enough.

I don't mind them being close #2 so long as I have a competitive, ethical alternative

>>55981965
Blah blah blah no sources...and you're fucking stupid because my FX8320 works with USB 3.0 just fine

>>55981999
yeah man you're totally right

wikipedia doesn't track changes, you can't see who just changed what and when instantly and they don't revert obvious vandalism.

I'll never believe thm again

>>55981999
you can definitely do that, which is why the guy initially LINKED the fucking articles you dumb piece of gutter trash

>>55982001
no they don't. check out supermicro etc

>>55982016
with Zen they'll be able to provide a slick DX12/Vulkan Xbox/PS nextgen. They're gonna be pretty successful especially if they get some zen graphics inside an Apple lapop.

>>55982001
Opteron mobos are in the same price range, retard.

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>>55981980
>You play GTA 5.
>It doesn't max it out.

BUT BUT MUH AMD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ_5p9wd2dk

How does it feel to get all these facts slammed in your face that prove your wrong?

>>55981973
HOLY FUCK! AN NIVIDIOT POSTED A SOURCE! HE'LL MUST'VE FROZEN OVER! But you still missed the point in that someone was screaming all i3s are better and cheaper than the 8350 but they stopped speaking the second when asked which i3

>>55982043
The level of jewry Intel forced upon you is no comparison to AMD though.

>>55982001
C232 chipset consumer motherboards cost around the same as Z170 motherboards.

>>55982005
I have an amd card and an fx8320 and I can play that on high without stuttering

>>55982047
>games are optimized for 4 cores
>this game doesn't fare well with 8 cores 4 being worker cores.

oh no way, this is breaking news in august 2016

also:
>playing GTAV

lololol

>>55982047
It doesn't max it out because if I wanted to max it out I'd need a graphics card with more than 4gb of vram you fucking pleb...unless you've explored the games options shut the fuck up because it's barely even processor intensive

>>55982050
just kill yourself already

>>55982116
I would but I'm having so much fun doing what you Intel fan boys do in EVERY FUCKING AMD THREAD

>>55980678
I hate the pins. I broke one like a retard and bent some pins and broke 1 off.

I bought a second one and I like it. Might choose again.

>>55980865
>125W

Fucking hell AMD get it together

>>55982162
You say that like Intel processors won't burn your house down when they violently overheat

>>55980617
>have to buy a new mobo and possibly reinstall windows just to use zen

>>55980617
Rubs way too hot and isn't as powerful as the intel equivalent

>>55982093
GTAV is fun

>trying to hide your butthurt at the fact that your processor got btfo behind false laughter and mockery

>>55982110
You mean like the Titan X that has 12 GB?
The ones they tested it on?

Is this thread just this one guy that invents facts and pretends hes right and then he gets proved wrong again and again?

>>55981221
LOOOOOL!

So...I'm sure I'll get ignored as the shills vs shills vs fanboys things is going normally here...but...

What's the performance difference between the fx 8350 and the fx 8370? Is it best to just get the 8370?

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>>55982005
>>55982081
Well your fine and the worlds fine are very different.

>>55982196
That's why the 8320 is the one you want...less overheating problems and it's almost always on sale for less than $100

>>55982222
get 9350

>>55980648
>ivy bridge
>literally sandy bridge: slower housefire edition

>>55982246
I'll pass on water cooling thanx.

>>55982162
Seriously it's ridiculous.

AMD is hotter, uses more power, is slower, and costs more.

AMD is so fucking shit in basically every single way.

>>55982209
No this is the thread where an amd fan is finally fucking sick of nvidiots coming to every amd thread here just to bash it with groundless sourceless information so I'm doing the exact same thing back

>>55982222
It's more about the price it's like 5% difference or something.

>>55982252
At least it was not the FX-9590.

AMD giving you house fires for a solid 3 years.

>>55982236
Omg it doesn't get over 60 fps!!! How shitty! (For reference I built my amd computer back in 2013 and it's still going strong and it only cost me $750 total)

>>55982262
Dude you are so delusional. You are so stupid you don't even know how long you even had your CPU for.

>>55982270
>being this upset because you bought a cpu literally worse than the generation before it

>>55982262
Yeah but at least Nvidia vs AMD is like 5% difference in most cases in the same price category.

Intel vs AMD is like a kid coming to a grown man and saying. I can learn languages faster then you can, and the grown man says I literally beat you in every other aspect ever.

>>55982236
stop bullying my cpu anon

i said i dont play games anymore

>>55982268
Meh I'll be getting an RX 480 Asus strix to go with it...I guess I'll just use the 8370 need every bit of power I can get I suppose.

Should be good until 2020.

>>55982286
project much?

>>55982327
i'm not the one with ivy bridge though

So basically if you game, you should buy Intel and if you want to do video encoding cheap, buy AMD.

Why are people so upset?

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>>55980648
>People actually bought Inferno Bridge

>>55981943
This, anyone claiming otherwise is really a fanboy.
/thread

>>55982222
the 8370 is allegedly just a higher binned 8350 and came out after they updated their fab process IIRC

I own one. it does NOT overclock well. barely got 300mhz out of it.

>twf 8120
it was so cheap

I mean come on just think about it for one second.

Everyones like AMD is better at encoding, AMD is better at non gaming shit.

Then you go check Servers and every server has a Xeon in it... I mean seriously. Why do you think servers won't use AMD Chips? Is it Intel shilling and paying everyone to buy their sell your Kidney chips?

Not it's because server start up costs are minimal compared to the AC costs and power costs over the years. Buying 200 CPUs isn't jackshit for server operators. Paying the cooling and power bills for these 200 cores is another story.

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>>55982334
Neither am I.

>>55982368
>being a cuck apologist

>>55980906
It does in single core and my 2 thread games. No one's doubting an FX 8 core has way more raw compute power.

>>55982047
>How does it feel to get all these facts slammed in your face that prove your wrong?

Facts where?!
I can just start up GTA V and put task manager on my other monitor and I can see it's just useing a few cores at 60% with a FX6300, running on Very High.

Where are your facts anon? WHERE?

>>55982335
No matter what you do, Intel is always the best for the price.

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>>55982380
Oh my god he has brain damage someone help him...

>>55982380
If you can have task manager on another monitor the game is likely not running at full speed.

>>55982389
Intel is better if you have money, AMD is still best price/performance, even with a 5 year old CPU.

>>55982377
Really? It is controversial that the 9590 is more of a house fire then the ivy bridges? fucking really?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zTzpYjQ2MM

>>55982367
>Why do you think servers won't use AMD Chips?
there's this trend in business environments where managers can't be bothered to actualized themselves and instead just buy the same shit, always. I have experienced it first hand.

it's incredibly hard to get market share as a result.

however, it's clear that the opterons don't compete with xeons well. they still win out in some benchmarks but that's not enough. not every business builds supercomputers with 60k chips and they want something solid all-around that outputs less heat and draws less power.

despite this, just because a $1000 xeon beats a $1000 opteron doesn't mean a $150 i5 beats a $150 FX. I don't know why you'd think this is a valid point to make.

>>55982406
>improper use of hardware
>wonders why it burns up
gee i wonder why my pc keeps crashing when i don't install a heatsink on my cpu

>>55982404
That's not even close to true. Intel is by far the best price per performance.

>>55982399
Explain? The game maxes out at 73 FPS, stays there unless there's really heavy traffic, while GPU is getting FPS drops the CPU still stays at the same usage.
Running task manager on another monitor in the background does not affect the game nor the CPU in any significantly noticeable amount.

Fact remains, it's not using the CPU at max like a dumbass anon said it would.

>>55981795
>video encoding
We use Intel.
With a FX you're looking at needing an $80 air cooler or $100 AIO to not rape your ears. You're looking at $100 more a year in electricity costs. So you not only haven't saved any money, you've cost yourself more. Then there's heat. I'm sitting next to an i7 3770 and i5 4670k and they put out a very noticeable amount. It's 75F in my study, 78 at the desk, while 72 in the rest of the house. The 200W these babies are pumping out isn't nothing. A single FX 8XXX puts out the same heat as both my systems.
Then there's the fact that x264 loses encoding efficiency the more threads you use, and filters are usually single-threaded. I lose 5% if I use avstp.dll to get some multithreading there. You can split an encode up but that's that's just more work and more to keep track of, so Intel's better single-threaded saves time and effort by doing in 4 cores what it takes AMD 8 to do. So you can race cherry-picked benchmarks all you want, but it's not going to change that AMD just isn't very good for anything.

>>55982427
How? A 8 core FX is 99€ brand new, benchmark wise the cheapest Intel CPU costs 170€ in the same shop?
Price/performance exactly means it's cheaper than another product at same performance.

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>>55981795

>>55982435
god you shills try so desperately

>>55980659
True that

My Phenom 2 died recently, one of the best processors ive ever had
Just wasn't worth replacing with a fx core. Only options are wait on Zen or go 1151, both require new boards and its no secret shillspiracy that intels options are going to remain better than Zen.

>>55982423
Are you always this autistic or only when trying to defends AMD *220W* CPU?

>>55982435
FX6350 here, running at 4.8GHz clock the stock cooler never goes over 68C, the heat problem is bullshit if you ask me.

>>55982468
why do you keep moving the goalposts?

>>55982404
Maybe if you're encoding or some shit.

FX 8350 on newegg costs $159.89
i5 6400 on newgg costs $189.99

The 6400 will have better FPS by as much as 20 FPS in just about every game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C66TZihKnCc

Cinebench faster.
Adobe Premier Encoding faster
Every single game ever faster.

Now there is something to be said about Skylake motherboards costing too much true.

But AM3+ doesn't even have native USB3/M2/USB3.1/DDR4 so there that too...

It's about features you care about. I'm personally using 2 M2 SSDs and I woudn't want to be without them.

>>55982435
>we
s-sulik?

>>55982453
8350 - $160

i3-6100 - $118

Yet the i3 is way faster.

Way smarter to buy Intel if you're on a budget.

>>55982458
Is there one with non 3+ year old Intel CPUs?

>>55982471
>he doesn't know the difference between temperature and heat
If I put a FX-9590 and GTX 480 Tri-SLI under a custom loop they won't go past 50. That won't stop them from dumping 1000W into the house.

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>>55982297
but the grown man can't look cute in frilly dresses

>>55982480
What goal post did I move...

The 9590 is a 220W CPU, as per my original comment of it being more of a house fire then Ivy Bridge. I then posted a video of it CATCHING ON FIRE. I then referenced it being a 220W CPU..

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>>55982504
>i3

>>55982546
>nobody is talking about heat
>starts talking about heat
wtf?

>>55982546
Yeah the problem with AMD products is they use a huge amount of power.

Power = heat output

Don't buy AMD unless you live in a cold climate, because it's like buying fucking space heaters.

>>55982504
I'm the guy that said i5 6400

A B150 motherboard costs WAY more then a AM3+ one. i3 isn't better cost wise. Go i5 or don't go intel really...

That i3 would be really nice to OC but for that you need a Z170 and thats a good 80 for a board FM2+ or AM3+ menwhile for like 50$ or less...

>>55982591
>"the heat problem is bullshit"
>he doesn't know the difference between temperature and heat.

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>>55982458

Didn't the FX9590 launch at $1000?

>>55982608
Cmon buddy don't be a faggot. I have an FX 6300 OC-ed to 4.3GHz on a shitty 212 Evo and ZERO trouble with overheating. Doesn't even hit 60's after some hours in PRIME95.

>>55982608

I actually heat my home with a 8320 fx, it was one of the main reasons i bought it as my pc is always on while im at home.
Saves me a fortune on gas

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g-guys just wait dx12 !!!

>>55982615
Uhh you can get a good Skylake motherboard for just $50

>>55982608
>buy hyper 212 evo
>shit runs cool as fuck
What is this meme that CPUs change overall room temperature?

>>55982632
It really was the NVIDIA Titan of CPUs..

>>55982637
If gas costs more than electric why don't you have electric heat?

>>55982635
It's not about the CPU overheating, it's about the CPU heat output that your cooler pushes off out into your living space.

AMD products literally heat the rest of your home because they put out so much heat.

>>55982635
Do any AMDrones know the difference between temperature and heat?

>>55982646
The hyper 212 evo just pushes even more heat off the CPU and out into your room.

It lowers the heat of your CPU and heats up the rest of your living space.

>>55982675
They are preteens still living with their parents. They havn't learned that in school yet.

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>>55982480
AMD housefires go back to the thunderbird era but you were probably in your diapers then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y39D4529FM4

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>>55982670
But they don't. It literally doesn't make any difference. I've built plenty of PCs, and I've never experienced any ambient temperature difference between 'a room with a system with an intel processor' and a 'a room with a system with an AMD processor' in it, so you're bullshitting 100%.

>>55982688
>heats up the rest of your living space
wtf i hate heat now

>>55982675
>>55982670
Thinking the extra 30w (on the FX6300) is heating your room or that you can't use it unless you're in a cold climate makes you a retard.
>MUH PROBLEM IS IT MAKES MY ROOM HOT! I SWEAR!!! THATS WHAT I MEANT
Fuck off retard.

>>55982731
That's objectively untrue.

Wattage is directly the amount of heat a CPU puts off.

AMD CPUs use way more Wattage than Intel, so they literally have to put off more heat.

>>55982721
>30'c failure

Can we go back to those times? I want to live in a world of low temperatures again.

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I have an 8350 and a 970. How do I even make the switch to intel without dishing out so much money? I'd have to buy a new mobo and everything

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>>55982755
And this heat is then gathered by the heatsink and dissipated by two (or three) large fans and quickly gets back to room temperature. It literally doesn't affect the temperature of your living space in any discernible fashion.

I've been doing this for like 20 years now, and have lived in situations where I've tried to use PCs as a space heater. If you have a proper cooling system at all, it just doesn't work.

>>55982812
Apparently you don't understand the laws of physics.

The power wattage is literally the amount of heat that is produced.

It will always increase the heat in your room.

Your CPU cooling system just pushes even more heat outside of your case and into the room. If your cooling system is better, it actually INCREASES the heat in your living space.

AMD products increase the heat much moreso because their wattage is so high.

>>55982809
and everything?

What type of RAM do you have? DDR3? DDR2?

At most you are looking at

CPU (~150-200)
Motherboard (~70-80)
RAM (50-~)

(This is assuming that rest your stuff is up to spec, SATA drives, decent PSU, etc) You can skip the ram and maybe find a used motherboard if you have DDR3.

>>55982809
You will have to buy a new mobo for zen

Dont bother upgrading if that gets you by, the market will be highly volatile with all the new cpu/gpus coming out

>>55982755
>>55982859
The difference in wattage isn't large enough to be noticeable. No one claims their house feels cooler now that they replaced their regular HDD with an SSD. That's the level of difference you get, unless you're literally encoding shit 24/7 on a housefire overclocked CPU.

>>55982688
It's not even that much, unless you live in your parent's basement or a studio apartment, your space should be big enough to allow the heat to disapate decently.

>>55982887
my room temp dropped 10' from replacing a 8350 with a i5

ssds get much hotter than mechanical drives if you move large files around. m.2s almost boil.

>>55982887
The difference in wattage between a HDD and SSD is like 5W. Not much.

The difference between a i3-6100 and a 8350 is about 175W!

Huge difference that will easily raise the temperature of the area around it by many degrees.

>>55982955
Same. I replaced my AMD stuff with Intel and Nvidia and it dramatically reduced the temperature of my room.

>>55982809
You sir very little reason to upgrade just like any i5 2500k user right now.

Wow you'll get 20 more FPS in GTA from 60 to 80 big deal.

Wait for Zen or whatever Intel has by then and upgrade.

Buying Intel means you're locked.

I personally upgraded a year ago from an E6700 as in Core 2 Duo(Wolfdale) to a Skylake i7 6700k.

I was on a 460 GTX and until 2014 most games would run on high 1080p with say x4 AA just fine on 60 fps.

But then came Witcher 3, Farcry 4, GTA 5 and I had to finally upgrade.

My upgrade cycle was like this.

Buy good PC for around 1200$ good OCable Motherboard nice cooler. Don't OC anything for say 2~3 years. Once you see a dip below 60 fps OC the shit out of it. After 2~3 years buy a new best of value GPU like a RX 480 now or 970 last gen.

>>55982994
I hope you're using a 200 W PSU instead of a 600 or 700 W one! Just imagine the 400-500 watts!

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>>55982955
Yeah I was dumbstruck when I first saw this holy fuck I was like holy shit is that M2 even going to survive.

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>>55982862
Looking to replace the ram and add another hdd.
Just holding back because of Zen. Just don't know if I should put the money and effort into the cpu or a 1070 for 100+fps at1080p.

>>55983060
That's not how PSUs work. They only use the power that the system needs, not their full wattage value.

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>>55982887

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>>55982632
>$1000 for an overclocked overvolted hot as fuck power hungry 8350

Haha holy shit people actually paid for that

>>55983071
Why do you not own an SSD?!

Why do you need more ram?

Buy a fucking SSD JESUS CHRIST it's 80$/€ for a good 250 GB one

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

Ultimate proof that AMD shitters suck.

NO AMD CPUS after Great.

>>55983152
Even Falcon is a known AMD shill.

I would argue he should remove all AMD CPUs from the list except maybe the new X4s, because even on the low end Intel is better.

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>>55983061
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3GlInzvHr8

They claim its all fine and nothing can go wrong

8350 is literally one of the best cpus. 4Ghz and 8 cores 8×4=32 total ghz, better than all Intel under $800

>>55983377
top kek

>>55983377
Thanks for the insight buddy. Your logic is flawless.

>>55980992
what the fuck i have left my pc on for over 5 years i have had my sandy bridge and it has never crashed. NO ECC. wtf u on son?

>>55981751
suck shit getting a 6900k. waiting for it in the mail mate.

>>55981820
this. i was considering one of those then sandy bridge 2500k came out and bulldozer was like lolno bellyflopped so hard AMD has never recovered to this day. Never regretted buying my 2500k, It was that or bulldozer and heh. No.

>>55982047
>40 fps on a titan X

the fuck are they doing i get 53fps minimum on max settings post AA with an fx-8350 and r9 380x

>>55981931
Implying you can't get intel cpus new, lower then the RSP

>>55983598
The fuck are you doing, I get 40 mins on max settings with a fx-8350 and a rx 480.
Turning down the population density and distance shit means it aint on max yo

>>55981965
i too am hoping for zen, hopefully they get back into the game so intel is forced to lower its prices. I am planning on getting an intel HEDT chip and it would be nicer if i could get a more powerful one but hey.

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>>55983635
>fx-8350 and a rx 480

>>55981970
and how does that affect you on a personal level?

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>>55983635
>implying i dont have that shit all the way up including the advanced distance settings and long shadows

KEK M9.

clearly doesnt know the power of disabling turbo core and over clocking that shit

>>55981970
To be fair anything by AMD is awful. Intel + Nvidia is the only smart choice.

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>>55983668
been falling for the AMD meme for awhile now

>>55983697
>mfw you really are just shilling for AMD

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>>55983760
>mfw you are an idiot

>>55981221
i have an FX-8350 with the 970, it runs GTA V and Hitman maxed out fine.

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>>55983760
>eight core processor

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>>55980865
>a chip from a architecture made nearly 5 years ago gets beat by one from less than a year ago

Wow, it's fucking nothing.

>>55983767
Please, even just youtubing it proves you wrong
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfAy8igPpRY
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k7zke2xf1Q
>>55983809
>there aren't 8 physical cores
Nice b8

>>55983813
It's a pretty big problem when the 8350 is $160 and gets beat by the $118 i3-6100

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>>55983841
Slower than dual-core in games

>why bother

>>55983813
>a flagship cpu that is the pinnacle of a company's offerings currently (a 9590 is just an overvolted 8350) is beaten by a company's entry level cpu

Until Zen hits, an 8350 is AMD's best offering on the market, which is incredibly sad
AMD's inability to compete at the high end of both cpus and gpus are why we are seeing $700+ 1080s, $1200 Titans and $1700 X99 cpus

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>>55983867
>games are the only thing that matter

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>>55983813
>Architecture that was doa

>>55983901
It's either half the speed of Intel or housefire. Neither is a good look.

Remember to unpark your cores if you're on Windows 7.

>>55983971
?

>>55983942
>only memes
I had forgotten why I don't post in these threads

>>55983971
Did that a couple days ago on my new 5820k build, my bf4 usage went up 20-25%.

i'll still buy radeon cards but their cpus are shit, they got lucky during the netburst era, core 2 duo onwards, trash. also 2016 buying a 2011 cpu? at 32nm? while intel is at 14nm.

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>>55983985
Because it makes your 8350 overheat? Maybe these dank memes should be the new amd benchmark?

>>55983080
Same,with cpus 8350 doese,t use 200w at idle, so unless your encoding all the time it doesent make any difference,

Ive been coming here for years, how have you fucks not realised that some people use computers different to you.

You game, unless its is very new games single core performance is king, Intel wins

You compute, if it utilises multithreading, then surprisingly more cores is king, AMD wins

You shitpost on /g/ all day, you dont need more than a cpu from 2006, ebay wins.

Fuck off and stop talking about it.

Intel is kind of like Macs. It's become the trend to use them they've been told their better.

Even websites shill for them with fake graphs and "benchmarks".

I used a FX8350 until I went for an i7. I could play almost every single game paired up with a GTX 970 on ultra, ultra shadows, AA, etc and never go below 40 FPS on any game.

Intel makes really good processors if you have a large budget but the FX series is really good.

Not sure why people spend time arguing with /g/, you won't win. They have nothing better to do.

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>>55984020
My FX-8350 keeps it self around 59 C at 4.7 with 1.528 V with a shit cooler (Hyper T4) , fucking memes

>>55983985
>how can I "nuh uh" if everyone already knows it's the truth?

>>55984031
If you're not encoding all the time why do you have an 8 core CPU that isn't good for anything else?

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>>55984113
>1.528 V

>>55984085
>You compute, if it utilises multithreading, then surprisingly more cores is king, AMD wins

So winning is being more or less equal to a i5 at stock clocks from 2 generations ago?

If you intend to "compute", an i7 quad core slays anything amd offers.

Hell you could buy a 980x and mobo on ebay for 2-300 bucks right now. Amd doesn't even come close.

>>55984085
>You compute, if it utilises multithreading, then surprisingly more cores is king, AMD wins
No, Intel wins. Nobody but gaymers who are both stupid and poor use AMD because they don't pay for electricity and they sit idle at their desktops 90% of the time.

>>55984212
if you have a small budget and compute* if you actually have money then sure get a xeon

>>55984113
Pushing it to its limits and it's still worse than a i3 dual-core in games. Good luck playing arma.

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Even VIA is catching up to AMD cpus

>>55984237
DELETE THIS

Is the 8350 even still an acceptable CPU?

Im building a skylake machine right now and plan to give my old AM3+ build to a friend for a graduation gift. Hes been asking what he has to do to upgrade the machine to make it good for a few more years, and without upgrading the MOBO all I can tell him is an 8350 and a new GPU like a 1060 or some shit.

I have probably the oldest system in here.

Emachines ET1331G
8GB memory
AMD Athlon II X2 260 Processor 3.2GHz
AMD Radeon HD 7700

Hate on AMD FX8350s all you want but I'm pretty sure that, a 970 MOBO and a GTX 970 will blow my old piece of shit out of the water on a decent budget.

Went from a 1055T to a 3570K. never looked back.

>>55984252
Wtf? Do not put a 1060 with a FX 8350...

There's no way that CPU can keep up with that thing.

>>55984256
Sure, along with any intel build in history

>Next your gonna tell us water is wet

>>55984252
An 8650 is about as powerful as can go in an AM3+ build, so not much options there

>>55984226
If you have a small budget you still go Intel, because you can't afford the air conditioning or $100/yr extra in electricity for AMD.

>>55984277
Thus why I asked, wasnt sure if there would be bottlenecking.

Perhaps an RX 480, Id imagine AMDs GPUs work at least a little better with their own CPUs regardless of if the CPU or GPU is trash to begin with.
>>55984295
Noted.

Like I said the guy just wants to know how to upgrade and I dont know what to tell him without upgrading the motherboard and dropping AMD to begin with.

Right now the machine runs an FX 6300 and an old 7950. It can run just about anything on medium, but he wants to be able to max out Overwatch and SWTOR, the only 2 even remotely graphically intensive games he plays on the PC.

>>55984346
Why not get something like a 470 then?

>>55984346
No reason to upgrade from a 6300 unless there's something that uses more than 6 cores.

>>55984420
So an 8350...

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>>55980617
Because I don't want affordability, I want power. And AMD does not deliver.
>think of all the poor goyim in South America and Islamic shitholes who won't be able to afford our products if we make them more powerful
pic related

>>55984431
You also need to work on your reading comprehension. He's saying it's NOT WORTH upgrading to it unless you USE PROGRAMS THAT CAN USE 8 CORES OR MORE.

>>55984420
Or you want i3 single thread performance to run that rx480

>>55984464
Its called a misunderstand, calm your tits Admiral Arrogant.

The GPU needs to be upgraded more than anything, and if an 8350 cant keep up with any good GPUs then a 6300 definitely cant.

Get it now, or do I need to come up with a simpler way of putting that?

>>55984031
Even at idle the 8350 uses like 50W more than Intel

>>55984420
AM3 has been a dead socket for years
If you are upgrading from such an old setup you should be looking at 1151 or waiting for zen

>>55984598
As mentioned, I have already made an upgrade to 1151.

The friend receiving the PC on the other hand cant afford much.

Because it has shitty performance and power consumption. The money you save on buying this shitty performing shitpu is lost because it requires a nuclear power station to run it and the entire arctic too cool it below 100C so you might as well go Intel, get better performance, get less heat, get more reliability, and have less energy bills and eventually have a cheaper product anyway.

>>55984504
Running it 24/7 would be $20 a year and i live in a cold climate

i feel bad for making my first pc amd. . .
i dont want to reinstall my os just to switch from amd to intel

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>>55984126
Its used as the server in my moms office for the last 3 years in a cold climate, it was either an 8320 on sale or an i3. Works fine never heard a single complaint.

started with an athlon xp 3200+, then athlon x2 5000+, then phenom II x4 to this 8350, got it for free as a hs grad gift back in '13

Probably a horrible choice still unless you get it for free or as a hand me down and/or you need a "cheap" solution to multithreaded stuff.

amd what happened?

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Zen delayed to 2017

>>55980617
because it's shit at games, it's decent if you're doing any type of work that benefits from many threads and are on a tight budget. but honestly at that point it would be just better to buy an i7, since you're going to be making money from it anyways.

>>55984814
AYYYYYMD DEAD AND BURIED UNDER THE DESIGNATED STREETS

>>55984814
i hate that it needs a new socket or else i would have upgraded

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>>55984825
Or an i5

>>55984747
>he bought an 8 core CPU for a file server

>>55984861
is the i5 4690k the i5 2500k of intel cpus currently?

>>55984884
Haswell was a decent leap over Sandybridge. I have a 4770k at 4.4ghz with no signs of slowing down

>>55984090
Well you don't want to go to 40 FPS retard. You want to never EVER EVER dip below 60 FPS.

You want constant framerates. And honestly Intel does that a whole lot better then AMD. Just look at digital foundry. They use frametimes and a graph.

Low FPS is a lot higher on AMD CPUs for some reason.

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>>55984861

>>55984237
VIA does x86 what the fuck...

Who what... How... is this real?

>>55980617
Because you buy it because of its fake good price/performance, notice it has half the IPC of any intel cpu and that barely anything is properly multithreaded, so you try to compensate for it by having to acquire an expensive mobo and aftermarket kit so you can OC it, generate outrageous amounts of heat while wasting way more electricity all so you can still fail to come even close the single threaded performance of any garbage i3 around.

That's why.

>>55984747
I'm pretty sure an INTEL NUC could handle your moms server. Hell maybe even a Raspery Pi 3

>>55980653
I can confirm this.

>>55984090
>satisfied with 40 fps
top keke. thats why you turn those useless ultra settings down to high. for fuck sakes anything less than 60fps is literally garbage.

>>55984865
Id rather it be overkill incase her dumb employees install a bunch of shit programs taking background processes

>>55981014
this

>>55984703
If you live in a cold climate, AMD is great because they double as space heaters