How do you /g/eniuses use Linux as your daily driver? >Steam

Took me at most about a half-hour to setup a debian/dwm setup, complete with autistic anime setup and all. Then again it was a laptop so take that for what you will.

>>55953083
>games

Prepare to have a ton of angry NEET permavirgins tell you how much better they are than you.

But yes. Linux is a hobby OS. Only autists use it for anything other than servers.

OSX is far better as a development environment, and most games are developed for Windows.

>>55953083
>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
try uninstalling IE and use steam on windows
>Blizzard games don't run on it
whew, glad im not 12 anymore. also wc3 and wow run on linux.
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
sounds like you suck at settings things up or your expectations are too high
>Themes are old and dated
linux doesnt use themes. maybe try reading up on some things next time before installing ubuntu in a vm.
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
just as unsafe as downloading shit via http. in fact, it is mostly just http(s)/ftp - except its signed by the people who manage your distribution.
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
so you want features or you want a lean OS? which is it now? also debian 8 needs like 250mb installed. idk to which windows you could compare that. maybe 98.

>>55953083
I installed Ubuntu 3 times in the past 2 days.

>Suspend lid close does not work
>Feels slower than Win 10 opening browsers
>Uses more ram than Win 10
>Minimizing music player hard-locks entire graphics for 5 minutes with graphical glitch
>every start up the log in screen appears and there is a fucking huge POP from my headphones
>gimp is SHIT

I'm done with Linux for this year, I shall try again in summer 2017.

If they pley geimus they run them in Windows, either dual boot or VM.
They buy hardware specifically for GNU/Linux compatibility.
They like ugly shit.
They believe time wasted setting up their esoteric operating system is time well wasted.
They're posers who don't actually care about much except looking like mystical computer druids.

Real /g/eniuses use OpenBSD.

>>55953083
>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
I honestly haven't had much problems on it, but then I haven't used it in months, not to mention when I did I hardly used all its features.
>Blizzard games don't run on it
Don't really play games, so w/e
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
Only because you're not used to it, and you're obviously still learning how to use Linux. If you commit yourself, it becomes second nature. But it depends on what it is you want out of your OS.
>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
Again, depends on the hardware. Generic drivers for Linux are great. A lot of stuff works straight out of the box, whereas with Windows you need to make sure you install all the correct drivers.
>Themes are old and dated
Depends entirely on your distro and where you're looking.
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
And you don't feel the same way about installing software on your Windows machine?
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
Simply not true.

I understand this is probably bait, but I care very little at this point.

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i sometimes wish i could go back to my old, ignorant self, and just happily use whatever operating system everyone else is using

>>55953083
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
>I don't understand it
>Must be unsafe

/g/

>>55953083

First of all, forget about videogames. Linux is not made for you to play CS:GO and rip off little kids for internet guns.

Also fuck themes. Why do you care what it looks like? are you a woman?

>>55953083
>>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
>>Blizzard games don't run on it
I grew out of gaming a few years ago. I wish I haven't wasted money on a gaming PC
>>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
Things come ootb but I prefer setting up my desktop from the scratch anyway
>Hardware
I don't see any difference
>Themes are old and dated
You can make Linux look EXACTLY like windows or Mac and yet people choose from hundreds of the avilable themes to install
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
True but what repo are you talking about
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
True and that's why I use Arch and Ubuntu mini

>>55953083
>Steam is a buggy shit
ftfy
>Blizzard games don't run on it
Blizzard is cancer.
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
No it doesn't. In fact it takes less effort than Windows ever did for me.
>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
Not really. AMD graphics cards I guess, but then again >AMD
>Themes are old and dated
What fucking themes are you looking at? There's Arc, Numix, Paper and a bunch of others that look modern.
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
Propose a safer alternative and before you do that read up on reproducible builds.
Also remember there's source based distros like Gentoo.
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
I stopped using OOTB distros when they were still less bloated so I can't comment on this.

Oh yeah, please don't shitpost with the new games.

>>55953083
>/v/irgin /a/utist can't setup an os the thread
>censoring heck
kys underage weeb

>>55953211
Your ignorance is in thinking you cannot.

It is you hindering yourself. Enjoy that red pill.

>>55953230
>Use your computer all day
>"W-Who cares what it looks like?!"

>>55953083
Just gonna say... my retard brother-in-law who jerked off in history class when we were in high school, got Steam to work on Linux.

If you can't spend some time getting things to work the way you need them to, then you really need to either:
a) Pay someone else to do it.
b) Go back to Windows you cuck.

>>55953262
Not him but I am pretty content with how my PC looks. Linux lets you choose/make your theme and that's why there are so many themes

>>55953083
FreeCiv and OpenTTD run great on GNU/Linux. What other games do you need?

>>55953211
I don't. Linux-libre on a T400 is comfy as fuck.

>>55953083
>wasting life on muh gaymen
>linux is difficult to setup meme
>lusting after hardware you never utilize
>muh themes
>trusting multi-nationals over FOSS
>using pleb-tier distros
What the fuck are you doing on /g/ normalfag?

>>55953262
>UGH - I SIMPLY -CANNOT- WORK WITH THE BOARDERS OF MY WINDOWS BEING THAT BIG

Stop being distracted by trivial things.

>>55953280
>What other games do you need
StoneSoup.

>>55953280
Dorf Fort

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>>55953083
wew lad waddup with that 5 year-old with big tits

>>55953262

The beauty is in the function. I guess that is something a weeb could never comprehend.

Half of these issues that people have are just because they're unfamiliar with Linux. I'd have the same complaints if I installed Windows, desu.

>>55953145
>NEET permavirgins
That's a good description of "adult," gamers.

>Linux is a hobby OS. Only autists use it for anything other than servers.
Every OS outside of production usage is a hobby you NEET faggot. Is sucking Mtn. Dew while you play the latest Blizzard time-sink not a hobby to you? Linux is far and away the most time efficient production option for many users, leaving more time to go out and develop skills NEETs lack, like having a social life, family, etc.

>OSX
Confirmed for metrosexual starbucks faggot. Kill yourself.

>>55953145

Mac OS is not good for development you nu-male

>>55953180
>try uninstalling IE and use steam on windows
Yes, because mangling windows is the only way to let Linux compete.
>whew, glad im not 12 anymore
Not an argument but that aside, most gamers are older than 25. It's also a recognised art form.
>sounds like you suck at settings things up or your expectations are too high
Are you saying that expecting ease of use is expecting too much?
>linux doesnt use themes.
Some distros do. Ubuntu does, for example.
>just as unsafe as downloading shit via http
Which is not a good thing.
>except its signed by the people who manage your distribution.
Not the ones you add yourself.

Look man, I try to stay neutral in this shitposting but you're so retarded that I think you're an anti Linux shill. I'm a windows fanboy and even I recognise that your points are making a terrible argument for Linux.

>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
The one time I needed Steam was to reverse engineer the Steam controller, and that worked nicely.

>Blizzard games don't run on it
I don't have any reason to run games, especially Blizzard.

>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
Set up the new laptop I got few weeks ago with exherbo in a couple hours.

>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
No clue about this since I don't run any hardware with Windows, but I'm using the placebo patches for Linux and I doubt it would beat them.

>Themes are old and dated
I use my own themes that I made years ago to fit my needs and tastes.

>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
That's the reason you don't use random repositories.

>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
No point in those anyway.

>>55953083
>h*ck
>>>/global/rules/2

>>55953083
>>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
>muh games
>>Blizzard games don't run on it
>muh games
>>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
Lies.
>>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
>muh games
>>Themes are old and dated
Lies.
>>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
I don't have to.
>>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
I don't use them.

>>55953444
>you can actually link the rules like that
neat
Also nice trips.

I want /v/ to go and stay go.

>>55953467
>>>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
>>muh games
That point is silly, why wouldn't you want to actually use your hardware to its potential?

>>55953510
>the only way you can use your hardware is by playing games

>Not dual booting

>>55953526
That's the opposite of what I was saying

>>55953083
ubuntu 16.04.1 runs really nice ootb on my laptop desu senpai

wow works fine in wine aswell

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>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
>Blizzard games don't run on it
I stopped playing PC games. When a game I really want to play comes out I'll just run it on a VM with VGA passthrough.
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
This is a lie, especially if you're not into uber ricing.
>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
What do you mean? Hardware support? That's the fault of the vendor, not Linux's. Performances? Most of the software I use is actually faster on Linux.
>Themes are old and dated
This is a lie.
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
Compile from source if you're worried. Still much better than ad/malwares bundled with half of windows installers nowadays.
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
Fedora 23 took 20 minutes to install on my machine and I can boot to my desktop in less than a minute, by comparison Win 10 took almost 2 hours to install (with no progress indication, great UX there) and takes anywhere between 2 and 5 minutes to boot to my desktop with only a couple of applications installed beside the default ones.

>>55953552
Why would I?

>>55953565
>unironically using obanto

please tell me you installed a decent DE

>>55953601
i unironically like unity7

>>55953552
Exactly, there's no reason to

Once a video editor for Linux matures enough and Gimp starts to compete seriously with Adobe I'll make the jump to full time Linux. I think they're almost there, development is slow as molasses but using desktop Linux now is way better than it was ~2-3 years ago.

>>55953664
Like nothing really changed in the last 2 years, what are you even referring to

>>55953664
>tfw I use Blender for the little video editing I do

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>>55953348
Someone is very angry
Can I get you a binky or something to help you calm down?

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>>55953373
>>55953348
>Linux is far and away the most time efficient production option for many users
>time efficient

Remember that next time you spend 6 hours configuring shit or dealing with stupid edge cases and random quirks in your OS.

That's why non-NEETs use OSX. You get a unix terminal and a good desktop environment, without having to waste your life fixing stupid shit. Best of both worlds, and a great development environment.

Last time I tried to use Linux I installed Fedora on a laptop, took the laptop to a bar, couldn't connect to their wifi. Couldn't even see their SSID. It could see EVERY OTHER SSID IN RANGE, but not the specific bar I was in. Phone connected just fine. All advice I could find involved compiling a custom kernal, lel fuck off.

A guy I know installed Linux Mint on his dad's new Intel NUC. Tried the 'put the computer to sleep' option, fucking rekt his NUC because of some fucking random quirk, wouldn't power on at all. He had to take the whole thing apart, take a battery out of the motherboard, and put it back in before the thing worked again.

Linux: not even once. Anyone who says it isn't a massive waste of time is lying.

>>55953180
Well it didn't take long for NEET permavirgin to appear

>>55953702
It's gotten a bit better. Gimp still sucks ass and will continue to do so, but linux is almost usable now.

>>55953083
Steam is a buggy shit irrespective of the OS.

>>55953664
>and Gimp starts to compete seriously with Adobe
I wouldn't wait for that. Krita seems to be the better candidate to maybe match PS one day.

>>55953712
It's pretty good if you're already familiar with Blender's shortcuts and overall philosophy but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone that is already familiar with classical video editors.

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>I don't play games
>I don't play games
>Not really
>Thinkpad runs perfectly
>Don't care about themes
>Not really
>Not really

>>55953083

>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
It's manageable, or I just reboot on the occasions when I game.
>Blizzard games don't run on it
I reboot.
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
And then it never breaks, unlike Windows which will sponatenously kick me in the face every couple months and leave me with no paper trail to follow to find out why.
>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
What?
>Themes are old and dated
Plasma 5 + Breeze Dark
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
...Is this because it says big cryptography words on the screen and you get scared?
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
1. No they're not
2. Windows has other bigger problems than bloat
3. Use Arch and just install what you need with i3 then, it only takes a day to get up to speed with it.

>took awhile to get arch installed. Beginners guide helped.
>started with open box endeded with cinnamon
Its not hard anon if you can read. But i swear i need fisher price letters in the ar h wiki since i over look some steps

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>>55953702
Libreoffice has taken some good strides.
Some really nice video players came out of the woodwork.
A few competing video editors are looking promising whereas there wasn't much of anything a few years ago.
Drivers are more stable and I have fewer critical fuck-ups and quirks now (running Fedora 24 currently). I've noticed a worrying trend in rising ram usage but that might be my machine.

Maybe it was Valve wading in but it seems like a lot more people involved with Linux development now. I do think Gimp is a lost cause though, it's about as shit as it has always been and no one ever updates it.

>>55953083
>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
I rarely play games
>Blizzard games don't run on it
Blizzard hasn't made a good game in at least a decade
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
If you're retarded..
>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
This has almost always been untrue for me.
>Themes are old and dated
Sort of like Windows or OS X.. Really though window managers like Awesome or Openbox etc are minimal enough that this is a moot point.
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
More safe than an 'app store' with closed source code that nobody can audit. Most distros I've used recommend against just adding random repos willy nilly iirc..
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
I've always been really pleasantly pleased with lighter debian and ubuntu derivatives. Basically all I've ever had to do was get a distro with a light wm and remove some services I don't use (which I do on my windows PCs too.)

>>55953738

> Mint can't connect to some random wifi!
> My friend's dad had to pull the battery out of his mobo one time!
> I don't know why these happened but it definitely Linux's fault!
> Free software wants me to starve!

As opposed to the OS you use which works 100% of the time

>>55953885
>libreoffice has taken some good strides.
I doubt that.
>Some really nice video players came out of the woodwork.
mpv back then, mpv now
>video editors
I wouldn't know since I don't use any.
>Drivers are more stable
No issues back then, no issues now.

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>>55953083

>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
Who actually uses Steam? Yuck!
>Blizzard games don't run on it
I never ran a Blizzard game, so who cares?
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
Took me more time to set up Windows 7 than Linux.
>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
Hardware is trashy on Windows. Took me some time to fix that.
OSX, that does work well with the hardware it is intended for: you've got that one right.
>Themes are old and dated
You have no clue
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
to one who does not understand how that actually works
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
So wrong, You must be a vegetarian bicycle-riding liberal.

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>>55953922
>As opposed to the OS you use which works 100% of the time

OSX literally does "just work".

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>>55953083
>How do you /g/eniuses use Linux as your daily driver?
I'll try to be as neutral as possible.

>>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
>>Blizzard games don't run on it
I don't play any steam games so I can't really comment on this.
Most of the games I insist on running either have native GNU+Linux releases or run very well in WINE.

>>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
Is there anything specific you are referring to? Ubuntu works OOTB in most cases I've installed it for friends.

>>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
This is true, but only for very obscure/niche hardware. My Iris 580 iGPU was only ridden of all breaking bugs this week. Not that I wasn't able to work around the breaking bugs until then.

>>Themes are old and dated
I don't use any mainstream DEs, so I can't really comment much here.
Are you referring to GTK themes? There are many modern and maintained themes out there.
As for icons, I've used Faenza for years and it still looks pretty good to me.

>>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
The only custom repo I've added in the last many years is the Java 8 PPA on Ubuntu servers (which is no longer needed as of Ubuntu 16, manually installing it is easy anyways)
The other was OpenRC for Arch GNU+Linux, which I trust whole-heartedly.

>>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
Which have you tried? Only one that comes to mind is Ubuntu and the Ubuntu forks like Mint, which are terrible.
I don't remember the DE shipping with Debian desktop edition, but it certainly isn't bloated.

If you're looking for something targeted at normies, Lubuntu is a good compromise between upstream Ubuntu and minimalism. I used that until I ditched it for a Tiling WM
It doesn't look great, but LXDE rarely does. You can bump up the eye candy and go for Xubuntu, though you'll have to spend 10+ minutes after installation to make it look clean.


Hope that answered some questions, have fun!

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>>55954414
Ran out of characters, some comments I want to expand:

>This is true, but only for very obscure/niche hardware. My Iris 580 iGPU was only ridden of all breaking bugs this week. Not that I wasn't able to work around the breaking bugs until then.
Kernel drivers for AMD are currently pretty good, nVidia isn't much of an issue as long as you aren't messing around too much with system settings you don't understand.

>How do you /g/eniuses use Linux as your daily driver?
I very much enjoy tinkering with GNU+Linux system stuff, it is part of what I spend my pastime on.

>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
If you're feeling adventurous, there are meme distros / installers for Arch Linux which take the console stuff out of regular Arch.

>>55954178

Maybe if you like having itunes or whatever software they are pushing nowadays jammed up your asshole nailed to the tip of steve job's wretched zombie cock while one of his hands empties your wallet and the other one gives you a reach around

And that's if and only if you define the poor performance as usable

>>55954562
I just use spotify. itunes is there but I never open it. I haven't found it to be a problem.

>>55953083
>>55953145
>>55953180
>>55953189
>>55953209
>>55953230
>>55953267
>>55953273
>>55953347
>>55953384
>>55953664
>>55953738
>>55953885
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>55954817
I say "GNU+Linux" in case I one day get a chance to have sexual intercourse with Richard
>>55954414
>>55954468

But you're really just being unfunny and annoying ):
No one thinks that copy-pasta is funny. If you're genuinely trying to educate people, summarize it in a couple of sentences, not multiple paragraphs.

Please go

>>55953083
god damn why is NEWGAME so aesthetic

>>55954817

Suck a dick you memelord

Nobody even fucks with RMS anymore

>>55953083
>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
haven't opened steam in months but i never had any issues with it
>Blizzard games don't run on it
haven't played a blizzard game since wow 3: frozen throne was out
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
my last install was 4 years ago, is not like the 30 min i spent setting it up it matters anymore
>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
i have an old computer so it's actually the contrary. windows has shit d3d9 and gl 1.4 support while linux gives me functional gl 2.1 (3.0 as reported by qt) support. i didn't need to look for drivers to make my sound card work.
>Themes are old and dated
what
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
the only repos i added was the mingw-w64 one because i didn't want to build the packages i needed from AUR
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
the only way to have 'wootb' and 'light' is if the distro is tailored for your uses. newbie friendly distros all come with an office suite, codecs and a browser that isn't internet explorer. with windows you only have a system that boots and thats it.

>>55953083
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe

And downloading executable files from sites is? How is that safer on Windows?

>>55953083
Literally the only reason games and steam don't run well on linux is because they're shitty ports and companies don't care about the linux userbase becase they know that there are more stupid people than there are smart people.
Generally speaking linux is faster than windows and uses a fraction of the system memory.
If the themes are shit then that's because you're not ricing.
Adding repos to your machine IS unsafe kek.
Linux is diametrically opposed to OOTB, if you're installing linux and using sane defaults like every other braindead shitter then you're doing it wrong.

I can play whatever I damn well please on linux without problems because I'm good at it.
If you're not good at it then you will have problems.

>>55956517
Not everyone has time for hobbies anon :^)

Win 10 Anniv here, linux sucks

>>55956628
ree, ree, normie, etc.

>>55953145
Linux desktop is actually pretty alright if you do paper pusher/desk jobs. I've found myself booting it up pretty often because the print drivers and other shit I use to actually do work just werks.

>>55954018
>Who actually uses Steam? Yuck!
everyone who plays pc games
>Took me more time to set up Windows 7 than Linux.
and then you had to install drivers and other things necessary for your pc to actually work
contrarian fuck

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so basically you are saying that linux is great if you do not play pc games and you also happen to be a hipster that wears a fucking fedora and is a cuck. Got it.

>>55953384
>uninstalling IE is mangling windows
if you think IE is the primary feature of windows, windows is right for you.
>it's also a recognised art form
it really took me this long to realize you were baiting. i'll continue so others won't fall for the meme.
>Are you saying that expecting ease of use is expecting too much?
if you want to set things up, ease of use is too much to expect. if you want it to work out of the box, ease of use is to be expected. at least you're allowed to set things up in linux distros.
>Ubuntu uses themes and i don't like some of them so linux is ugly
nice.
>not the ones you add yourself
then don't add unsecure ones. i know i already said that i realize this is bait, but seriously, you're retarded.

>>55957924
>using software designed by pajeets, for kike lawyers and investors
>using software sold to you, only to then sell your data on to the next guy
You sound like a cuck m8. Is that you?

>>55953083
Steam isn't buggy

I play blizzard games on my second ssd which has windows installed

takes less effort to get my tools set up on linux like python packages, c packages, really weird depencies on random ass packages since I just sudo apt-get shit

hardware works fine on linux - even got a relatively new gpu working (gtx 980) in November of last year before the 10** series came out

>caring about themes

adding repos on any other OS seems unsafe

nigger

>>55954018
It does take longer to set it up, but after it just works as long as you aren't retarded.

Linux does too, but it crashes and has more bugs than Windows. I use both Windows and Linux, and I can honestly say that this is what happens between both OS.

>Windows
>Install
>Put in driver CD
>Install drivers
>Update drivers through motherboard support page
>Install programs
>Just works for 3 years

>Linux
>Install
>Have to tweak a bunch of things
>Add powersaving tools for laptop
>Install programs
>Every now and then something bugs out or breaks
>Just works for the most part

>>55957862
>everyone who plays pc games
Wrong.

>>55957973
IE is a dependency on Windows Systems, please, everyone knows that getting rid of it post the Win9x-era is a bad idea since other things will break.

>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
it works fine but if you're a gaymer you should just stay in your windoze comfort zone.
>Blizzard games don't run on it
SCII works fine with wine.
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
Eh, depends on the distro. Once it is set-up, is easily maintaines. Windoze on the other hand needs to be completely re-installed every year or two for consistent performance.
>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
Yeah, not true, unless you're running hardware with windows-only optimized drivers.
>Themes are old and dated
Subjective, and you have a very wide variety of themes, file manager, etc to choose from
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
Much safer than downloading an .exe for each program you want to install.
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
Subjective, garbage opinion

Meh bait, 2.5/10, will not reply to retort

>>55959585
>Windoze on the other hand needs to be completely re-installed every year or two for consistent performance.
That's bullshit

>>55954902
Fuck off, sjw. We don't all think like you.

>>55954562
You got a reach around?
I went back to Linux because they keep changing finders appearance with every release. I LIKE IT THE WAY IS CUSTOMIZE IT SO STOP FUCKING UP ME PREFERENCES. I mean for the love of Christ, how many damn times do I have to remove the color labels from the left side bar. Fascist fucks.

>>55953083
Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
>Steam is not buggy for me
Blizzard games don't run on it
>Blizzard games run (but it requires some efford)
Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
>because you are inexperienced, a full system install takes me around 30 min
Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
>What hardware are you talking about. There are some drivers that are not supported well, but most are

>Themes are old and dated
There are at least 20 desktop environments, I doubt they are all dated. Part of the experience is to set up your own system. The way you like it
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
And it can be, just like running an untrusted exe file in windows
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
You clearly did not try out debian

>>55959961
>Steam is not buggy for me
Font rendering is broken, sometimes notifications, so is the overlay

>Blizzard games run (but it requires some efford)
100 fps less than on windows doesn't make it playable, senpai

>because you are inexperienced, a full system install takes me around 30 min
>I use only compatible hardware ergo it's not an issue

>What hardware are you talking about. There are some drivers that are not supported well, but most are
Anything sound related is a fucking joke, same with newer wifi cards

>There are at least 20 desktop environments, I doubt they are all dated. Part of the experience is to set up your own system. The way you like it
having a ton of choice is not always the best solution if most, if not all, of your choices are shit

>And it can be, just like running an untrusted exe file in windows
Well generally that's why we have antiviruses, to prevent running completely retarded shit

>You clearly did not try out debian
>debian
>good
>not outdated
>not bloated
>inb4 "use testinggg!!!1one"

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>>55953083
>h*ck

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>>55957973
that made my day, this one sure is fucked in the head. Dude, you are so wrong hahahaha that IE-shit-argumentation, holy fuck ahaahaha

>>55959994
Debian is neither outdated nor bloated. In fact, debians minimal install uses about half the space an arch minimal install takes.

>>55960101
Stable really is outdated. Bloated is a buzzword anyway.

>>55953083
>liking blizzard games

jagex>blizzard

>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
so is downloading a file off the internet every time you windows fag

>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
implying arch and gentoo are bloated

>Themes are old and dated
stop using old themes

>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
oh know editing a file once in your life plus entering a command line maybe x10 times is harder than installing drivers

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>>55953384
>It's also a recognised art form

>>55959554
>>55960042
Please go back to 9pleb

> games
not needed
> more effort
Only if you're installing Arch or Gentoo.
> hardware seems to run better
Lemme guess, you're talking about GPUs? Intel HD Graphics runs fine.
> themes are old
better than metroshit
> adding repos seems unsafe
Common Sense 2016 filters out malicious repos.
> good OOTB distros are bloated
But still run faster than Windows.

t. dualboot

>>55953083
>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
>Blizzard games don't run on it
Good,I am not 13(nor a manchild) anymore and just treat gaming as casual hobby
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
I dont remember doing anything during my Ubuntupleb days.It only takes efforts for Gentoo/Arch
Also unless Windows came with your hardware,'setting up' windows is as bothersome as what I did when I used Xubuntu
>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
Then use compatible hardware.Hardware problems is not Linux's fault.Its the developers of that hardware's fault.
>old and outdated
Buzzwords.You can make Kubuntu/Xubuntu look just like Windows 10/Mac OS by downloading appropriate theme
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
More safer than using untrusted install files form net.Why do you need to add repos in the first place?
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
I do see a difference between 10 GB fresh windows install and 5 GB fresh Ubuntu install

>>55953189
>I installed Ubuntu 3 times in the past 2 days.

There's your problem. You are clueless

I triple-boot Windows Server 2008 R2, Kali, and OpenBSD.

Get mad, faggots.

>>55960113
Stable is not the de facto debian release. People use oldstable and stable on their servers and testing and sid on desktop computers usually.

>>55961000
There are people who use stable on their desktops for whatever reason. There are even people who recommend using stable on /g/.

>>55960284
I agree. Installing Linux was a waste of time and energy.

>>55961000
If you're going to use testing and sid on desktops, why not just fedora? The debian security team only handles stable. You're at the mercy of the pkg maintainers to push security updates on testing and sid.

>>55953083
>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
>Blizzard games don't run on it
>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
Ask manufacturers why they build hardware only for Window$ and Mac
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
Linux is done to that. W$ and Mac tell us 'we are experts' when clicking everywhere.
>Themes are old and dated
Old themes are more convenient than now.
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
Wrong, choose the official repos or recommended repos.

>>55961039
Well, a lot of /g/ posters do not update their OS at all (win7 users), for these debian stable is a very decent choice.
>>55961072
Sid is extremely fast with updates and if you are running a system that has sensitive/important data you want stable anyway. Fedora uses a blobbed kernel and has a way less packages in their main repo. Not that it is inherently bad but debian is the better choice for many people imo.

>>55961072
Where do you think the Debian Security team gets its patches from? Newer versions of the software which already are in Sid/Testing. They just backport the security fixes from there into older versions to not bump the versions in stable (Which might just be its own can of worms)

>>55953083
Steam just werks for me, most problems are caused by missing libraries or something.
I play vanilla WeW fine through wine.
Takes a couple of hours to set up arch from install to fully usable - after which I've not had to do anything else.
I use i3, the ""theme"" is just a black info bar and a title bar, with dmenu I don't really need anything else. Although I admit, sometimes I forget the name of a utility when I've not used it in a long time.
>Adding repos
If there's something I want that's not on the main repo, I just install from source - it's easy enough.
Why go for ready set up distrebutions when it takes a few hours to set everything up exactly how you want it?

I'm sure the nvidia drivers aren't quite as fast as the wangblows ones - but to be honest, not having to deal with random files being shit out everywhere, general slow down, and more recently MS popup advertising for windows 10, it's not a bad compromise.

I'm fairly happy to be honest.

>>55961103
People who use Win7 are still able to update their browser and other software to the same version like it exists on Win10

>>55954562
>itunes
I use cmus:
https://cmus.github.io/

>>55961137
Not always, sometimes in sid when patches are from upstream as the other anon said. Testing is an entirely different story.

>>55961173
You can run new versions of packages ob debian stable as well. It's just more convenient because it has a package manager.

>>55961566
Which might require newer versions of their dependencies, and then you can easily turn your system into Frankendebian.

>>55961597
Not if you know what you are doing and conpile yourself.

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>>55953083
>>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
I don't play videogames
>>Blizzard games don't run on it
I don't play videogames
>>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
No it doesn't
>>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
Not for me, it runs better here
>>Themes are old and dated
Looks way better than windows or os x imo. I'm using numix arch blue and it looks dope
>>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
Doing anything on Windows seems unsafe given how vulnerable it is to malware
>>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
Arch Gnu/Linux is not bloated

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>>55953863
What do you "I don't play games" types do with all your spare time?

>>55961672
To be fair, all he would need is a few more ladders.

>>55961672
>Arch Gnu/Linux is not bloated
This is wrong on three accounts.

>>55962746
Watch movies, do /g/ projects or study. People grow up

>>55953083
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>55962814
>People grow up

What does that have to do with anything? Plenty of respectable adults enjoy games. By your logic, no adult should care about card games, or darts, or chess, or any sports. Most people are bored with their lives, and games can help.

I think you're just mad because tolerating computer games means tolerating yet another category in which your favorite OS can't compete.

Just install Windows. I guarantee the NSA doesn't give a fuck about you.

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>>55962746
I got into collecting and refurbishing old tech, listening to new music discoveries, video editing and photography, old horror movies, amateur radio, going to the gym more often. I might try to learn guitar again. Video games may be fun but they're a timesink and give you a false sense of accomplishment. No wonder gamers all have depression.

>>55953083
>steam
i dont play games

>blizzard
i dont play games

>more effort
i disagree

>hardware seems to run better
sauce

>themes are old and dated
there are some nice ones

>adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
yep
depends which ones

>bloat
stop using slackware and install something else

>>55962898
All of that sounds incredibly dull.

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>>55962878
>I think you're just mad because tolerating computer games means tolerating yet another category in which your favorite OS can't compete.

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Perfect example of why Linux is shit.

You have to go through a bunch of outdated documentation and do a bunch of commands just to do a simple task like disabling your camera.

>>55953083
>Blizzard games don't run on it
Love it. Totally OS's fault, bet Blizzard also tells you programs cannot create BSODs
Oh wait they actually do:
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/bnet/topic/11835123442
(btw its caused by panda antivirus or bitdefender, those retards just dont know it)
ITT: winfags treated like linuxfags when it comes to support for products they pay for.

>>55962925
I stopped having fun playing games, why should I keep going? At most I'll boot up something on retropie but I don't like wallowing in nostalgia. I don't get /v/fags who think vidya is the only worthwhile hobby a man can have.

>>55962947
Kek, rc.local, haven't seen that in a while. You might wanna try updating your pasta too.

>>55963013
>programs cannot create BSODs
Well, they shouldn't be able to do. Only the OS should be allowed to do so. If other programs can create BSODs it's be a big failure of the OS.
Note that creating BSODs and creating errors that cause BSODs aren't the same thing.

>>55954178
For you. I use El Capitan at work and it's the most unstable OS I ever used, not to mention all the little things that show how poorly designed it is. For example, put a window on fullscreen. Then decide you want to do split view. You can't just move to that, you have to first unmaximize and then split view. On Fedora with gnome I just press Meta-Left

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>>55962947
>disabling your camera

>>55963035
Not him, but how would you do it?

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VM for gayming and applications which won't work on Wine.

The rest is bullshit, GNU/Linux does better than Windows.

>>55953384
>>try uninstalling IE and use steam on windows
>Yes, because mangling windows is the only way to let Linux compete.

Not him but confirmed for not knowing anything, opinion discarded.

Steam uses Internet Explorer core as it's backend for the store and web browser.

Gb2v and play some more Gran Turismo you grand autismo

>>55962947
the thing that always bugs me is that it wouldn't be hard to make a front end for most of these operations
the whole design under Linux systems appears to be made to easily automated by simple front-end tools (that generally aren't there)

>>55963274
>made to easily automated
should be
>made to easily be

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>>55953373
Are you mentally handicapped? Osx is just as good as Linux, since they share a Unix base.

I get you're free tarding pretty hard but the only thing apple does right is their OS

>>55953083
centos 7 workstation is lean and mean but yeah linux is not a gaming platform as much as they are working towards it

4-5 year and it'll be there

>>55963528
osx is bsd......

>>55963528
>just as good because it has the same Base
That's bullshit, all humans have the same Base but that doesn't make them all as good as each other. All linux distros have varying levels of quality and they have the same Base.

>>55963528
What UNIX base? What common code base do they both diverge from?
Even if they did, what does that have to do with being just as good? FreeBSD and OS X both share a BSD basis, are they just as good? Are they similar at all? You make it seem like if I copy a system's kernel and then pile bloat upon bloat on top of it it will be just as good.

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>>55963528
>free tarding pretty hard

KEK

>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
Never had any issues so I'm going to call bullshit
>Blizzard games don't run on it
/v/ is that way ->
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
If you use something like Arch or Debian, but with distros like Ubuntu I've found getting a new install set up to be less work than Windows
>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
As someone who's used both you're most certainly wrong about OSX. The only hardware that works well on OSX is hardware sold by Apple themselves and even there we have their crappy graphics drivers.
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
Not as unsafe as installing third party closed source software
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
Windows is as bloated as it is in part because it's supposed to be good OOTB genius...

In short: Microbabby can go back to /v/

>>55953145
>OSX is far better as a development environment
Why?

>>55963274
Usually automation is achieved by using bash scripts. I guess they should add some programs/plugins for "popular" among normal users actions like mass renaming. But then again you can automate a lot of different stuff on linux without installing additional software , just using scripts. It just has a steeper learning curve and is a different approach, but you wouldn't be using it if you wanted it to be 1:1 windows.
So , if you like windows use windows. Why use anything else if you like it? There are people that are OK with editing text files for configuration you know.

>>55963528
>A heavily modified version of a heavily modified version is the same as a complete re-implementation of the original
Microshill logic people...

>>55953083
>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
Probably, Idk.
>Blizzard games don't run on it
Probably, Idk.
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
In my experience the opposite is true.
>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
Very recent hardware, maybe. But Linux distros support more hardware than any other.
>Themes are old and dated
False.
https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme/commits/master
Last commit: 2 days ago.
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
Not more than installing software from installers you downloaded from some website.
Also, if that bothers you, then don't add repos.
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
That's strange, I don't remember the last time a Linux distro OOTB used 18GB on a clean install...

>>55963528

You understand that just because they use some of the same software they aren't the same fucking OS?

Explain to me why you would use Mac OS if Linux is the free option then?

>>55963633
seriously just how many fucking windows do they pack on that disc

>>55963595
More probably than he's referring to how Unity (the #1 choice of people who don't know what the fuck they're doing) used to not an IDE for Linux and how with UE you have to compile the IDE from source.

The phrase "not him" appears 3 times in this thread at the time of this post.

Please stop assuming everyone here is a male...

>>55963677
>Discussion on a topic in a field which is something like 90% male
>Somehow not a fairly safe assumption that someone you don't know the gender of is male
You wouldn't mind taking that crap back to tumblr?

>>55963677
Girls don't know what operating system they use. In multiple occasions girls have replied "mac" to me.

>>55963702
That figure won't be changing if you don't become more considerate

>>55963711
Even Apple itself now calls it the Mac OS, nitpicky chauvinist: http://www.apple.com/macos/sierra-preview/

I tried Linux mintvm on win 10,found it comfy , would use once i have a better PC, mines 6 years old, all the hate for Windows or Intel or what ever is tribal bs, i remember all the win 10 is bot nett threads earlier in the year. Some people need to get laid(me included) than arguing about a damn OS

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>>55953083
>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
Don't play videogames
>Blizzard games don't run on it
Videogames no play
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
So?
>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
Don't video games play video ganes no play.
>Themes are old and dated
"Themes"
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
"Repos"
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
"Casuals"

>>55953083
>muh games

We have jobs and do actual work. All my shit Is code databases and ssh. I don't know how you work with aNY thing but linux.

Also if you really want games do your next build with hardware passthrough on vms. That will give you things like photoshop also. It's easier for low skill people when you buy certain harare that takes to it easily. Then you can lock windows in a vm not letting it spy or send info.

>>55963727
Yes, but at the time it was OS X.
>What OS do you use?
>Thinkpad

>>55963727
>That figure won't be changing if you don't become more considerate
If someone you've never met incorrectly assuming your gender is enough to put you off working in an industry you're probably not particularly interested in working in that industry anyway.

If women aren't interested in tech, then just let them be interested in whatever they're actually interested in. Trying to force people into something they're not really interested in isn't going to make anyone happy.

>>55953083
The secret is to use hardware you already know works, and only software which you know works.

So basically just use windows or osx.

>>55953083
>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
I don't play a lot of games, but steam has worked for me in those situations I needed it.
>Blizzard games don't run on it
When I have to run some software that is not made for linux, I try it in wine.
Some things might not work, but a surprising amount of things do.
And this ranges from office to games.
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
I don't find that to be true.
Installing the OS takes a fraction of the time it takes to install windows.
Often is everything you need included in the iso.
With windows, I usually have to download drivers on a separate computer so I can install the software one by one.
Package managers are much easier.
>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
I haven't run benchmarks to back this up, but my laptop runs a lot better with linux and my desktop is fine.
>Themes are old and dated
Who the fuck cares?
You can make it look as pretty as you want to.
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
It is.
Take ubuntu.
Developers sign their contributions to their own repository and the code is compiled on canonicals servers.
This means you can be (somewhat) sure that the programs come from the right people.
But you have to trust these people.

But that is not the majority of applications you install this way.
Ubuntu has a lot of packages where you "only" have to trust canonical.
If you don't trust someone, maintain it yourself.
It might seem like a lot if you are only using a single computer. but when you are maintaining 3+ computers, it is worth it.
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
You can also get minimal distros which you set up once, write down what packages you find essential, and when you install it again, it takes a few minutes.
Or... you could make a package, that you find essential on your own repository, set everything up as a dependency and automatically adjust all settings if you want.

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>>55953738
>Remember that next time you spend 6 hours configuring shit or dealing with stupid edge cases and random quirks in your OS.
no

>>55953083
>playing games

Hehe... Nothin personnel kid

*kills your productivity*

>>55953262
Function over form

>>55953083
>Blizzard games don't run on it
True but there's a lot of other companies that supports linux, so there's no shortage of games even if the situation can always get better if enough people wants to support the platform. Also regarding video games, pasta related:

Not him but the no games argument is not true anymore. Windows is the best os for gaming mostly due to most game developers are trained into developing for it with microsoft's closed APIs, so the simple process of porting a game that was developed for windows to any other platform will affect negatively the performance of the game. This with the fact that the marketshare is small compared to windows there's hardly an incentive at the moment to optimize for linux, making look as if the platform were worse for games than windows when in fact to flip the situation you'll need to change the idiosyncrasies on the industry itself.

The fact though is that the situation on linux is not nearly the same than two years ago and now those who prefer linux over windows now can play games on it, helping to break the vicious circle, but still there's a lot of things to do for linux to compete in the gaming side. I anyone wants for this to change i recommend to play the games you can on linux when possible and ask for linux ports.

I notice some people doesn't want's for this to happen but if that the case let me ask (not directed specifically to the person i'm replying): how are any of you benefited in a meaningful way with the current situation? because i consider that keeping the statu quo just to have a tool to win an argument on what OS is better is not a meaningful thing. how having less options and practically being locked to MS products benefits you?

Some links:
https://steamdb.info/linux/
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?category1=998&os=linux
https://www.youtube.com/user/tuxreviews/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/airspeedmph
https://www.youtube.com/user/Jakejw93/videos

>>55953083
>>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
nope.avi
apparently you haven't tried solus and its https://github.com/solus-project/linux-steam-integration

>>Blizzard games don't run on it
all blizzard games but overwatch run just fine

>>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
Perhaps if you use arch or any other DYI distro.
It took me 5 mins to install solus and another 15 to install software and do some basic tweaking.

>>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
Not really. AMD and Intel GPU drivers are very solid now and nvidia has always been great. The rest works out-of-box.

>>Themes are old and dated
Bullshit

>>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
Unsafe? no. Ubuntu is just garbage. With a proper distro you dont have to add anything as everything is centralized.

>>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows.
Solus boots in 1 second off an SSD and uses around 200mb of ram.


You're full of shit dude.

>>55953083
low level b8, kys weeabo faggot

>>55953189
>Uses more ram than Win 10

Why do people use this as an argument?
Do you have ANY idea what your computer uses your RAM for?
You DO know that your OS manages your memory and that a decent OS WILL use the ram while there are no processes using it, RIGHT?
Hell, I'd rather have a 50% disk cache in memory while I'm idle over seeing "0% ram usage", but it seems like you people can only go into the "less ram usage is better" mindset.

>>55953083

>Good remote support
>Powerful terminal
>Ganoo/freedom

I just work with emacs and vim in a tile manager (i3), the only thing I miss is a good CAD program

>>55953083
>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
Have not noticed anything.

>Blizzard games don't run on it
Then use GPU passthrough for those games that don't run. It'll run perfectly and yes, that means "technically" running Windows, but in a closed off sandbox that is dedicated just to playing incompatible video games.

>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
A lot of the time it's easier to fix than Windows. I had to use Windows again for a month and it made me want to stab myself in the neck compared to fixing things on GNU/Linux.

>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
Windows, probably. OS X? No. OS X has shitty drivers. This comes from someone who used OS X for several years as his main OS.

>Themes are old and dated
Then fix them yourself or just don't bother.

>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
Like installing third party software from cnet is unsafe.

>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
How about no? Not even close.

>>55964224
>be linuxfags
>brag for years about lower ram usage than winblow$
>windows 10 uses less ram than a shitty linux distro
>HUUURRRRR YOU FUCKING RETARDS CARE ABOUT RAM USAGE LMFAO WHAT A FUCKING LOSER WHO CARES ABOUT RAM USAGE LMAO?????

>>55964349
You see, the thing that bothers me about /g/ is that people go all over the place acting superior when they're completely ignorant on the topic they're talking about.
There are people here whose knowledge of OSs is extremely limited, yet they argue corageously on which OS is better.

>>55953189
hue
tfw using a shitty Acer E1-571G and literally everything werks™
>suspend lid works, never had any problems with hibernation either
>media buttons (fn keys) (all of them and in correct way on gnome/kde/lxde/mate/xfce)
>no sound problems
>no graphic card problems (even bumblebee works great, i get better fps than on windows, and i mean really better fps - dota 2 is playable (60fps with 45 on larger battles) on it without shadows/occlusion/AA - on windows it was playable on 1280x720 (screen is meme resolution) lowest detail + 80% rendering.
some other games that were butt ugly or unplayable on windows run nice now :
>terraria (had to play it on classic lighting 1280x720, ugh),
>CS GO (this one is sufferring from mem.level bug but still super playable compared to windows)
>frikin borderlands 2 and presequel are playable now, funny thing they perform worse on my gtx760 PC on linux when compared to ubuntu
>Torchlight 2 - again had to play it on lowest detail on windows
>no problems with using external displays (sometimes i had to reset windows to get my TV screen working)
>no wifi problems (AR5BWB222 card has some really fucked up drivers on windows - only ones that are good (no 3 second 800+ping every 10 sec) i found are for windows 8 (not 8.1), its normal on linux
Only problem is shit screen and battery life, but it turns out after 2 years my battery has 12Wh max capacity (46 originally, checked it with windows too) so yeah, acer is shit.

Pro points are for every fucking obscure tech anyone brings me works out of the box - old epson printer that had no drivers for win 10 so family gave it to me - works, new noname camera that gets fucked by automatic win10 driver installs - works, shitty natec genesis pad that doesnt work on 99% of xbox ready games - works by either xboxdrv (every controller ready game) or the steam big picture native emulation (some games dont work with it - usually older ones like dont starve or amnesia).

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>steam
Works perfect for me on latest Arch and Funtoo.
>blizzard
Who the fuck plays that trash?
>more effort
Literally takes less than Windows.
>hardware
Haha, no.
>themes
Haha, no.
>repos
Using the internet at all is 'unsafe'. Secure yourself, faggot.
>bloated
Haha, no.

Seriously, how does Microsoft troll an entire board into replying to obvious bait?

Or are these threads just paid MS circlejerks?

Either way, it's pathetic that they're allowed to exist for as long as they do. Now watch as the thread dies as usual because I've called Microsoft out on their viral marketing FUD.

>>55953083
>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
lol wut? 2 years, 0 problems.

>Blizzard games don't run on it
I can easily run Hearthstone through Wine.

>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
wat. How? You literally just start the installer and then moonwalk away.

>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
Sounds like user error

>Themes are old and dated
Anything can look great with conky. Also, customize it if you hate it so much? Look into custom user themes? At all?

>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
Admittedly true, but it's much safer than installing "gamez.exe" unless the repo only offers binaries w/o source

>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
Yeah but you can easily apt-get purge whatever you want.
Saying that an OOTB distro is as bloated as windows implies that Windows is bloated shit to begin with too.

Windows:
>Are you sure you want to uninstall shitty bloatware X that came OEM from Dell? <click yes>
>Running shitty bloatware X's custom uninstaller... (opens a new graphical interface offering to sell you software for cheaper) <click no thanks>
>Double negative in agreement terms. No thanks = yes pls. (opens new web browser with 3 payment options) <aggressively click close out of browser>
>Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page? <click yes>
>Turned out to be JS alert that just looks like leave page confirmation. Leads you to another site where you can get the deal for cheaper. <open task manager, kill browser process>
>Uninstaller requires confirmation from browser to finish. Uninstall cancelled.

Linux:
>$ sudo apt-get purge X
>[ Lists packages to be removed, and steps taken ]
>$

>>55964451
Who know but astroturfing is a real thing independently on if it's the case here:

http://www.stratigery.com/msft.shilling.html
http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/MICROSOFTS_WAR_AGAINST_LINUX.html
http://furiousfanboys.com/2013/06/microsoft-caught-astroturfing-reddit-to-praise-xbox-one/
http://techrights.org/2007/11/23/astroturfing-microsoft-examples/

>>55953180
Windows xp needs 64mb installed...

>>55964770
He's not talking about RAM and you won't like XP with just 64MB

>>55964460
that's really an over exaggeration with the windows, but yeah its usually:
>are you sure you want to remove shit

then its either

>click ok
>answer no to restarting PC
>shit is removed, usually have to clean up some folders/registry manually or with some 3rd party program afterwards

or:

>some custom installer comes up - usually in AV, security programs, drivers with additional utilities or big software suites.
>then you usually have to manually remove other programs installed as dependencies/plugins
>not to mention asking about restarting the PC between them
>not being able to remove everything at once without additional 3rd party software

also aside from uninstall process - having to deal with automatic updaters.

Having to deal with dependencies or having older programs is really comfy compared to having to deal with all this shit.

>>55953083
Gtgo pedofag

>>55953348
>That's a good description of "adult," gamers.
If you mean manchild, don't you belong on tumblr?

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>>55953083
>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
Linux isn't made for games. If gaming is your prerogative a Windows machine is fine. Give Linux a try in a virtual machine.
>Blizzard games don't run on it
Thank God.
>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
It's a hobby and some people enjoy creating an operating system that works in every way they like.
>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
Depends on the hardware. Different drivers work better for different OS's.
>Themes are old and dated
With various Linux distributions, you can use a wide variety of desktop environments, windows managers, GTK themes, etc.
>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
It's exactly the same as it is on Windows.
>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
No.

Dumb weeaboo.

>>55953242
>EXACTLY

lolno

>>55953373
Holy shit yes it is

>>55953180
Steam uses webkit, doofus

>>55953083
>Install Ubuntu on Surface Pro 2
>Installer works without a hitch
>Screen resolution and UI scaling works out of the box
>Reboot to the desktop
>Wifi is functional
>covering the screen with the keyboard lock works
>Touchscreen and pen works out of the box
>Unity has touchscreen optimizations
Again why do people say linux doesn't support anything?

>>55966090
because they are either:
>unlucky about hardware support
>really really uncomfortable with changing their habbits of computer usage
>in need of some games/software, and not wanting to learn other/new things
>hating windows but unable to switch therefore shitposting about linux in order to justify their windows dependency

can't blame anyone though. some people cannot bother to learn to use windows or macs properly, no point in making them use linux. I just don't understand people who want you to feel bad about what you use. For example i use gimp for simple editing and everyone at my uni who sees this has to tell me gimp is shit.

>>55966476
Gimp is shit, I tell you that as someone who uses Gimp for their image editing needs.

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>>55953083
I game on Linux probably every other day - mainly Darkest Dungeon lately. Haven't had any particular problems with Steam, but I don't personally play any Blizzard games currently so I can't speak to that.

Ubuntu LTS works out of the box on the majority of hardware, and Unity is not old and dated - in fact there's really no Windows nor OS X equivalent to Unity's functionality.

Adding repos to your machine is actually probably safer than the standard way people install software on Windows - downloading exe files with installers and spyware built-in and such.

As bloated as Windows? Windows requires 16GB of hard disk space and 1GB of RAM for even the 32-bit version. Ubuntu is more like 10GB and 128MB, and if you do a custom install you can easily drop that disk space number down.

>>55953180
>whew, glad im not 12 anymore
I'm so fucking sick of faggots like you saying you can't play games without being a fucking child.

Pleasure isn't a childish or immature thing. People don't live to work all day, come home, and immediately sleep, then to wake up the next day and repeat the cycle. Life isn't about your productivity, or what you do for others. You live first and foremost for your fucking self and only then do you contribute what you want.

Playing games for pleasure isn't something that is to be shunned. It's just another way of gratifying oneself. You're not superior to OP for not playing games, you insufferable fucker. You're not superior for liking winetasting or film or reading for pleasure instead of gaming for pleasure.

Fuck the fuck off with your elitist bullshit.

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>>55953083
>Steam is a buggy shit on Linux
I can play anything I want, I didn't see any problem.

>Blizzard games don't run on it
WoW and Hearthstone work well for me.

>Takes more effort than it should to get everything setup
>than it should
That's the magic and fun of Linux. Getting to tweak and tinker with the system.

>Hardware seems to run better on Windows and OS X
I must admit, I've had some small hardware problems but I solved them immediately with a google search. This is indeed a fault of the operating system, but happily it can be solved quite easily.

>Themes are old and dated
Pic-related.

>Adding repos to your machine seems unsafe
But it isn't.

>Only good OOTB distros are just as bloated as Windows
How about Arch Linux?

I recently moved from Windows 10 to Arch Linux and it was pretty good. I had several problems with the installation (because of me) but hey, I love tinkering with systems so it wasn't a bummer. Everything works well and I love the endless customization possibilities that Linux-based systems have to offer, especially Arch.

why does windows always have the best start menu out of everything?

>>55968094
I quite like your theme. What programs you run and what theme is that?

>>55968116
Others don't have a "start menu" to begin with