So with Kaby Lake confirmed for Q3-Q4 2016 do we have any performance

>>55938371
>5% performance boost

Not worth upgrading

>botnet10 only
lol

>>55938371

>How many of you are upgrading to Kaby Lake on release?

Depends on clock speeds.

>Are you bummed about it no longer supporting Windows 7?

I'm already using the botnet.

>>55938371
>So with Kaby Lake confirmed for Q3-Q4 2016

Source?

>windows 7 not supported

How would they accomplish this? What would happen if I booted the installation cd?

>>55938398
Source?

Also

>he upgrades to the latest gen every year
Retard.

>>55938401
So no Linux?


And how is this any new? Try running a 6700k with xp.

>>55938414
>>55938420
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10503/intel-begins-shipment-of-seventh-generation-core-kaby-lake

it's already being shipped out

>How would they accomplish this? What would happen if I booted the installation cd?

It simply refuses to run and will shut down if it detects it.

>>55938420
Every generation for the past 5 years

>>55938414

It either works or you get an install error with Windows seven saying it's not supported on your hardware. Which is probably a software lock that can be bypassed

Still tho. I might upgrade if octane is as good as Intel says it is.

>>55938414
>What would happen if I booted the installation cd?
USB and other devices would be missing drivers
>>55938461
>It simply refuses to run and will shut down if it detects it.
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>55938420
Even if you're still on Sandy Bridge it'll still be only a 15% speed improvement at best.
Intel's main focus for desktop chips nowadays is more invasive AMT features and backdoored crypto extensions.

>>55938461
>>55938475
>>55938482
Thanks for the input, lads. Would it be sensible to get a 5820k now? Zen is supposedly coming out soon and the release of sky/kabylake-e also seems to be soon, or am I just being too much of a waitfag?

>>55938569

Zen will likely drive prices down but it will also be sold out as well as the AM4 mobos. So in addition to release, you'd be waiting a few months plus the price gouging.

>>55938592
kill yourself amd retard

>>55938592
Waiting for zen then. Skylake-e probably wont deliver judging on the 6800k but the problem is that I've been stuck with a 2670qm and a 630m for way too long. I guess I can wait a little more, thanks.

>>55938569
>>55938621
Zen literally won't be even close to skylake CPUs let alone Kaby.

>>55938371
Kabylake will be viable for new builds and/or people with service plans (just burn your processor and return it for gift card). Other than that no.

>kaby can't run win7
skylake can barely run win7 without elaborate driver packs, literally no difference.

>>55938662
Any source for that?

>>55938706
Zen is literally projected to be on par with Haswell, the only redeeming factor is if they are cheap

>>55938666
>skylake wont run win 7 without elaborate driver packs
Literally the win7 drivers from your mobo manufacturer what the fuck are you on about?

>>55938569

5820K is way better than 6800K,overclocks better and is cheaper

>>55938569
5820k is a good buy especially if you can get it from microcenter.
I got mine 6 months ago for $310.

I heard it's somewhere between 1% and 5% better, which is quite a joke. And the "it won't run on Windows 7" rumors are complete bullshit.

>>55938371
Unless I missed something, no one has a working sub-14nm process, which means it's unlikely there will be a significant change in performance from Skylake.

>>55938371
About to start an ITX build so I thought about waiting but I'll just get a 6700K for now.

I'll see how things look in a year or so once there's more itx boards and shit available for it

>>55938811
Laby Lake is 14nm

>>55938729

How about the "needing drivers to install windows fucking 7" part.

Skylake is not win7 friendly.

>>55938398

New CPU releases are exciting for the mobile market, desktop barely sees any changes. Its all about improving efficiency and reducing heat these days.

I wish people worked on making fucking software more efficient.

>>55938398
/thread

if you upgraded your i5 2500k yet you are an idiot

>>55938569

Never get previous gen unless it's a good price. I bought a 290x for 200$ (cheap in Norway) because spending idiotic money on a cpu unless you really really need that set of specs is a waste. For gaming a 200$ cpu with oc is just as good as the most expensive ones.

My 4670k clocks to 4.6gjizz on air so I won't upgrade unless I see major performance breakthrough like optane or something better. Maybe zen octacore if it's good.

>>55938718

If it is on part with has well it will be on part with Kaby since they are the same speed lol.

Also if it clocks as well as the other amd cpus and is cheaper then why not? It will be a great 8core.

>>55939865
>>>/v/

>>55938371
Fuck, yet another worthless generation from Intel.

If Zen performs at only Haswell levels but I can get an eight core for less than $500 it's not even a contest.
If it's between Haswell and Broadwell, Intel will be forced to make some serious price drops.

>>55939888
>has is on par with Kaby
Typical brain of a AMD user.

Skylake had performance boosts over haswell.

Kaby will have slight boosts over Skylake

>>55940024
Then Intel "magically" comes up with another Core 2 Duo the generation after and curb kicks AMD once again. You bet your ass Intel has something ready for a long time just in case AMD bounces back. Problem is we're still waiting on Zen, wasn't is projected to be out this year?

>>55940085
It had 0-10% improvement across 90% of applications. It'd be fine if I could get a z170 board that reliably works with 16gig ram sticks as well.

>>55940160
Intel already has sealed the high end server market for the next decade with FPGA + Xeon cores on the same package. They'll likely integrate the FPGA onto the die itself within the next few years.

Not sure about consumer desktop space, but in the high end server space at least Intel will be dominant for a long time.

BroadWell 4 lyfe

>>55938371

If I remember correct I think I have read somewhere that the 7700K will have a TDP of 112W. So it might have higher clocks.

>tfw still rocking a 2400k

should I upgrade soon lads? been wanting to get a new cpu and mobo+ddr4 ram for some time but the performance gains never seemed worth the money...

>>55940583
I'm still on an i7 870. I think I will wait for Cannon Lake

>>55940583
im still using a nehalem processor, ive been thinking of upgrading to a shiny new unlocked processor, but the performance increase is not worth it right now

it would be really nice to have usb 3.0 though

Threadly reminder that non-MS operating systems don't have this problem.

>>55938666

jesus you youngfags wouldn't have survived the 90s

>>55940276
Sheeeeeeet I'm still on Gulftown, haven't seen th need to upgrade (probably my single greatest computer hardware purchase with its longevity) but the platform is dated and I'm dying to upgrade. Z270 with a decent Kaby Lake performance bump should prompt me to do so but I want at least 6 cores.

>>55938718
IPC on par with haswell, but more clocks and more cores. If the 8 core clocks higher than 2.8ghz then it will be beating a 5820k. if significantly higher than it should handily beat a 6700k

>>55941910
actually drop em in the 80s and let em set IRQ jumpers and fuck around in config.sys for an hour or two

>>55938371
7500U with 1050m laptop when?

>>55942011
It won't.

>>55942039
surely you don't mean to suggest their enthusiast cpu will be clocked lower than 2.8 ghz?

>>55942114
Unless AMD has copied Intel's architecture comparing clocks is not going to show anything.


Not to mention if you think AMD is going to offer an 8-core chip that would be on par with broadwell-e chips for the price of a i5 you've got another thing coming. Either AMDs cores are going to be so shit that you need the 8core-16 thr just to compete with i5s or they are going to be priced just as much as intel's good chips

>>55938569
Zen is about the equivalent to Haswell,
Kaby Lake is better than Skylake, which is better than Haswell.
If it's like Skylake's launch, it'll be the price of Skylake while Skylake drops like Haswell did.

>>55942032
Fuck that brings back memories.

>>55939695
I'm sitting on 3 2500ks 1 4690k and a couple Phenom II's still. No reason to upgrade for another couple years at least. I have an i3 an ITX that won't quit either.

>>55940197
The problem with FPGAs is that they're horrendously hard to program and not very space or power efficient compared to ASICs.

Just waiting a year or two for some new codec or whatever to get baked into next year chip is the saner choice for 99.9+% of customers, enterprise or otherwise.

>>55942155
The problem is that Skylake was a shit improvement, Kaby Lake will probably be too, and even Broadwell was marginal for most workloads.

Most people won't give a shit if Zen is 10% slower clock-for-clock than a i5-5xxx if they can get a 6- or 8-core chip that doesn't cost a thousand bucks.

>>55938371
you goyim buy your jewtel cpu.
i'm waiting for zen.

>>55942321
I imagine Intel is at a ceiling of sorts. It was this way with the Pentium 4 and Itanium where they went off on a tangent got lost and got help from AMD to get back on track.

>>55942348
Intel has no reason to put out huge gains of their chips, they'd rather focus low power which does matter for servers and laptops which are huge customers.

when your only other real competitor can't even come within 4-5 gens of your chips there's no reason to keep hauling ass.

>got help from AMD
kek

I must say that all of this is making me feel absolutely no remorse for getting a Haswell Refresh instead of waiting for the next generation.

>>55942221
nigger, my pentium 4 still works just fine.

will probably go zen if it has decent performance and at least 6 cores 12 threads. or go skylake when prices drop with kaby's launch

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>>55942389
>Intel strategist here gais

You don't think Intel had help from AMD? They course corrected along AMD's path not their own. This is known.

>>55942348
I think we're reaching the point where a general-purpose CPU integer pipeline is very nearly structurally optimal, and architectural improvements will only be asymptotic.

For over a decade, the very physical size of L1D cache and the signal propagation time to the adjacent ALU has been a major constraint on frequency and/or pipeline length.

Without new semiconductor structures to get substantially smaller spacing and less leakage, we're kind of fucked.

>mfw no point in upgrading my 3770k with ddr3 2666mhz CL11

thanks intel

>2000+16
>using a desktop pc
get with the times, ipad + iphone is all you need

>>55938662
>>55938598
>>55940085
>shilling for intel
wew lad cant get any more jewish than that

>>55942389
>>got help from AMD
>kek

Itanium and P4/netburst were trainwrecks, and Intel didn't get back on track until they basically copied the first Opterons (short pipeline, integrated memory controller, ccNUMA interconnect topology).

>>55942482
This is bait.

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>>55942482

>>55941910
hey don't shit about satan

>>55942482
b8 thicker than a bowl of oatmeal

>>55938414
Microsoft did it. They announced they won't support new hardware from here on out unless it's their newest operating system. Because nobody wants to use their new garbage

>>55942504
>>55942504
>>55942507
there is literally nothing you can't do with ipad + iphone combo except muh gaymes but you might as well buy a ps4 if you're such a manchild

>>55942573
They wont support new features like xpoint you dumb fuck.

All new processors will run w7 just fine

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>kaby lake

>mfw i'm running a 4690k that i upgraded from a c2d E6750
>mfw there's no need to upgrade for another 5+ years

>>55942409
prices dont drop, fella

>tfw using a piledriver and want to upgrade but don't want to wait until 2017 since I know all the stock will be sold out for christmas and very expensive.

>>55942605
do you want to buy my p4 for 350 dollars? it's a 3.2 GHz HT

>>55938440
Of course there will be linux support; you can compile shit from source.

>>55942655
Intel does not discount a new in the box processor.

>>55942494
Yea well it worked out pretty well, didn't it? In the mean time amd saw the mighty Pentium 4 and copied that shit.

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>>55942974
Stop liking what I don't like man!

>>55942974
Kek

>>55942597

you fucked up buying an i5, but otherwise, decent enough i guess.

i wont need to upgrade for 2+ years longer than you with my i7.

>>55943383
Your i7 is barely better than his i5

>>55942342
you pajeet buy you ayymd shit-tier cpu.
I'm waiting for Tigerlake

Will it have new Iris Pro iGPU?

Also intel should fix their GPU drivers.

>>55938371
>How much better will it be than skylake

You've mistaken what direction intel is going. They have no direct competitor. They are no longer focusing on performance. They are focusing on efficiency so even if AMD is able to make a comeback, they will not only have better performance, they will have better performance per watt and be many years ahead of anything AMD can do.

core for core, predicting kabby will be -7% to -10% under skylake

>>55940085

Yeah that massive 0-5% increase.

>>55943935
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/600716/intel-chips-will-have-to-sacrifice-speed-gains-for-energy-savings/

Intel WILL be lowering performance in favor of energy savings.

>>55938371
Not much faster, Just more power efficient.

kabe will be bigger failure than amd polaris

Why cant they make a generic gpu for 2d window composing + video codect located in chipset and make a full-chip CPU doing CPU shit? It was like in 2006 AFAIK.
You want gayming on desktop, you buy a discrete card, thats it.

>>55942139
I bet your lips are blue and your asshole green.

Still see no reason whatsoever to upgrade my i7-3770K.

>>55942455

these ignorant kids these days probably don't recall the numerous lawsuits against Intel (which Intel lost or settled out of court to save face) for stealing other companies technology.

>>55938811
>Smaller means it's automatically faster

>>55944504
>what is physics
>what is smaller distance

>>55944519
>what is speed of light
>what is high school physics
>what is clock frequency

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>tfw oc'd x5470 from 2008 still relevant today

wouldn't Kaby Lake be good for overclocking?

>>55944547
>physics doesn't apply at 10mm
>shorter distances means same time because speed of light

Are you dumb?

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>>55939695
Not true

Plenty of games nowadays benefit from more threads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndWMlJeEzf8

Especialy minimum framerates benefit from more powerful cpu's, which is very important, since that means you have more stable gameplay with less fps drops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sx1kLGVAF0

https://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=4sx1kLGVAF0

I'm still on a 2500k myself, but I'm definately thinking about picking up a 2600k or a 3770k.

Or a skylake system when people ditch theres around the time kaby lake and zen launch

Don't even think about intel CPUs

>>55944589

man, I hate video HW reviews, its just a bad format...having to skip times to see graphs n shit

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>tfw still on athlon64 x2
>tfw waiting for zen
>tfw waiting for vega
>tfw intel/nvidiot fags will be BTFO
never felt so good waiting

>>55944641
Pick the second video then

>>55938371
>do we have any performance details yet?
3~5% over Skylake.
3~5% power saving over Skylake.
All the real features will be in the chipsets.

>>55938371
>Are you bummed about it no longer supporting Windows 7?

It will still work fine.
In the worst case, it won't have some of the new power saving features, which is pretty much irrelevant on the desktop.

>>55942573
You are a dumb piece of shit.
They won't update and support it because it's 10 fucking years old, you idiot. Go kill yourself

>>55944589
>The shitty of Ivy Bridge

>>55942293
Intel is doing a lot of groundwork to essentially provide pre-baked FPGA libraries, if you need high AES encryption you can install a AES library, if you're doing something else just install a library for that.

Obviously this is something that will need to be constantly developed, and I expect you'll have the bigger players (google, MS, Amazon, etc) to do their own custom FPGA programming for their specific workloads and needs.

will kaby lake cpus work with z170 motherboards??

>>55948065
of course not, kaby lake socket will have one additional pin the lga 1153 for reasons

>>55941976

I went from a Q6600 to a 4770k and my fps roughly doubled in what few games I play and my video conversion time was cut in half as well. A theoretical 7800k still wouldn't be as big a jump most likely for you, I wouldn't worry either senpai. Out of curiousity, what are you currently rocking? When I upgrade it will most likely also be due to a lack of features and not a lack of speed.

>Intel

Great performing CPU for those with a large budget

>Zen

Decently performing CPU for those on a low budget


Not that hard to understand. AMD is not trying to make the "best CPU", they are trying to capitalize on their market which is low budget focused builds.

It won't be any better than a Haswell-E.

Kaby Lake is for the 200 series chipsets, so they can start forcing the USB Type C Meme down your throat just like Windows 10.

>>55948353
That isn't true with any current AMD CPU though, the single core performance isn't even approaching
"decent". If they have haswell level performance with Zen, then sure. They might be a cheaper decent option, but as it currently is if you are going to be gaming you'd be better served with literally ANY intel CPU over AMD unless all you play is battlefield which can use the extra cores of the AMD.

>>55948353

are you retarded? zen won't be low budget at all. summit ridge is HEDT and is being advertised as such.

on topic, kaby lake will bring 0 perf improvmenet unless they bring the clocks back to devil's canyon clocks and improve the TIM. architecturally it's the same as skylake.