>Microsoft requiring you get Windows 10 to use newer CPUs

Use Win 10 only for games.
Use Gentoo for everything else.
There you go, I fixed all your problems for you.

Google OS soon
[spoiler]the spying will be even worse[/spoiler]

>>55914764
The requirement of a newer os is intels fault, not microsofts. You can't just change the whole core w7 just to make it compatible with a skylake cpu.

I use a mac but ubuntu's actually alright.
I'm not just saying that either, it's pretty retard proof.

No bias, i use osx.

>>55914764
>thinks Linux is still a fucking joke
yes, you should.

>>55914834
>You can't just change the whole core w7 just to make it compatible with a skylake cpu.
?

>>55914819
As if Chrome OS wasn't bad enough.

>>55914791
I don't know who you are Gentoo guys, but I love you.

>>55914764
>>Linux desktops are still a fucking joke

List for us the top 5 applications you run on Windows. Chances are there are versions for Linux, or equivalents.

(Not gonna lie, Office Libre's Powerpoint replacement BLOWS, but, freedoms.)

By the way, I won the WinX threatware battle finally by doing a clean install and installing the roll-up updates. But I shouldn't have to go to that much trouble just to keep my PC configured the way I like it. Fuck you, M$.

Why do you guys hate win 10 so much. It's the best windows yet coming close to win7.
I upd to win10 and only had advantages to this day.

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>>55914913
its the spying meme
nobody wants ms looking at "that" folder

>>55914764
Yes. As soon as possible.

>>55914939
>2016 and not using third-party encrypted folder

>>55914859
>X11

>>55914891
the problem aren't the applications, the problem is the graphics stack and the desktop environments. I use Linux daily and I think it's a shit experience. You really notice that unlike the kernel, very few people are being paid to work on userspace Linux, and it really shows.
Hell, Intel GPU drivers are considered to be the least painful but they're still broken garbage in many cases, and the mesa GL implementation is hopelessly slow compared to proprietary drivers.

>>55914819
H E L L O
S U M M E R

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>it's a "/g/ pretends you can't install win7 on skylake systems" thread

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>>55914913
Getting it now actually.

>>55915044
I've been here for years

Do they not work on /g/?

>>55914913
advertisements on lock screen, privacy violations, tight integrations with other microsoft services in an attempt to get you to use them, UI design that still blows, MS already stated cutting features from it to sell them separately, universal platform memes, nagware popups for other Microsoft products

Why can't I just get a Windows 7 with updated core components but without all the "user experience" bullshit?

>>55914764
>Microsoft requiring you get Windows 10 to use newer CPUs and DX12
>Release games on Win10 only
You mean, like what happened with DX9 and Vista?
Or was it DX10?
Can't remember, but I'm 100% sure there was a DX version only compatible with Vista and upwards, and games no longer being released for XP

>>55915111
https://a.4cdn.org/boards.json
only works on boards where "spoilers" is "1".

>>55915143
It was DX10, but DX10 was mostly a joke anyway, and Win7 rescued us from Win Vista.

There won't be a potentially better Windows after Win 10. This is the last Windows.

>>55915112
Hey it's free. Free things always come with a cost.
Nah dun worry as soon as pirated version comes up all those shits will be gone.

>>55915232
But with built-in Chinese or Russian pirate botnets.

No matter what, someone will be spying on you in Windows 10.

>>55914764
>Linux desktops are still a fucking joke
kek.

>>55914764
>Linux desktops are still a fucking joke
They really aren't though unless you're into gaming. Even then there are plenty of games becoming Linux compatible on Steam lately.

>>55915112
I've never had an ad on my lock screen, is this a meme?

>>55915278
Use trusted sources dude. And be positive. Nobody will care unless you have real messed up shit.

>>55915311
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3037396/windows/windows-10-lock-screen-ads-begin-with-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-push.html

>>55915311
It's the promotion section in the start menu he is talkin bout

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just keep using 7 for the time being
switch to linux
hope that vulcan is alright
if vulcan fails, kill yourself :)

>>55915407

>>55915365
>>55915370
Oh so it's the shit that anyone sane turns off within minutes of installing. k

>>55914939

>people on /g/ actually believe that if they switch to Linux, they won't be spied on anymore
>continues to use Gmail, Facebook, YouTube, 4chan, etc.

Man it's time for me to give up on this board. Putting anime shit as your wallpapers gives Linux even a worse name, yet alone using it as a general OS without hosting a server or programming.

>>55915298
>unless you're into gaming
or image editing
or graphic design
or music production

>>55914989
>not using Wayland yet

>>55914764
yea but at this point in time you can have linux box for your life stuff and win box for gaming only

>>55915453
whatever leaves the house is known to be seen by others
whatever stays inside has to be fucking mine and under my control.

there's the difference you didn't see.

>>55915464
>Complete list of applications compatible with Wayland:
>

>>55914764
If you want to play games, why do you even consider Macs?

Don't use a Mac/OSX unless you need to make iOS apps.

Just do: >>55914791

>>55915460
>b-but muh photoshop...
Sure, keep paying money to the company that gave us the security nightmares that are Flash and Acrobat, just because you can't be bothered to learn a different interface.

>>55915429
thanks for the upvote anon <3

>>55915493
if you think GIMP differs to Photoshop just in terms of interface, you're a delusional freetard.

>>55914874
Well you see. When a processor is made they have to do extensive testing with every operating system that exists. Well they used to but this time Intel said fuck it and only support Windows 10. Most BIOSes won't run on it either. It is just such an advanced processor, the medieval OSs won't run on it. Like trying to get your Toyota to run on 95 octane gas, it simply won't work.

>>55915493
Bruh that's not even it. There's a version of GIMP that mimics the Photoshop interface, GIMPshop I think. It's still way shittier than Photoshop if you're doing anything more intricate than making memes or lazily 'shooping' shit on /r/.

>>55915513
If you think it doesn't, you're a delusional wintard and/or macfag

>>55915559
As someone running Windows 7 on a Skylake laptop that had the option to have Windows 7 installed on it by the manufacturer I can assure you it works swimmingly.

>>55915565
So you're claiming the only reason why Krita is so much more critically acclaimed than GIMP is because of the interface?
Have you ever done any digital art in your entire life?

>>55914764
Linux has had nicer desktop than windows ever since I've been using linux. My jaw hit the table when I saw how beautiful KDE3 was compared to 98se. Windows 10 has got to be the ugliest windows version since then. Windows 7 was a poor imitation of kde4.

Had Windows Vista on PC. Got Windows 7 because Vista was a virus. Upgrade to Windows 10. Windows 10 says fuck you and goes slow even though Nvidia GPU and AMD processor. Want to remove new Windows 10 virus. Windows 7 corrupted and don't have CD key anymore for that OS. My question is if Vista is still good OS and if I should revert back to Vista if they fixed how crap it was or if I should pirate Windows 7 or some shit because Windows 10 is cancer on that PC

>>55915814
I don't know but you want 7 over vista.

>>55915856
7 is still better than Vista? I read somewhere they improved Vista to the point where it was comparable to performance to 7 some time ago. I know "Windows 7 best M$ OS" but I thought vista wasn't a complete degenerate anymore

I dont buy Steam exclusive games for a long time now and I am doing just fine.

Plenty of games out there, not like windows 10 is the center of the earth.


If anything this is just one more reason for people to go back to 7 and install modified drivers that will surely be found via torrent in short order.

>>55915513
not him but you should check out Krita

>>55916140
I already am using Krita and really love it.

>>55914764
Ever heard of DUAL BOOT?

>>55916671
You mean that thing that the W10 anniversary update breaks, possibly deliberately?

>>55916716
Wasn't that the malware classic shell that deleted the MBR?

>>55916728
Nope, this is Windows itself.

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/08/03/1614223/windows-10-anniversary-update-borks-dual-boot-partitions

>>55914764
> not using a comfy environment like Gnome on your desktop
Switch from Win10 to Ubuntu with Gnome a few days ago and its awsome

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I just got a new laptop with Win10, is it worth the hassle to convert it to Win7?
I managed to avoid the telemetry update for Win7 on my old laptop, do I have to worry about that for this new one?
I just want to use this laptop for internet browsing and maybe play rom emulators now and then.

>>55914764
Either use an older version of windows or buy a mac. Clearly you're too stupid to figure out Linux.

>>55916859
>I managed to avoid the telemetry update for Win7 on my old laptop, do I have to worry about that for this new one?
that telemetry and a whole lot more is baked into W10, with no way to turn it off. (you can't even put MS domains in the hosts file to block access to them, the OS ignores that)

If all your doing is messing with emulators and browsing then pick out the Linux of your choice and have done with it.

OpenGL > DX

>>55916752
I don't know about that case, but after all the hell I have dealt with given the new boot technology. My next move it to just buy a new computer with multiple hard drives. Given the time spent, a new TB SSD would be cost less at this point.

If that doesn't work then I just get a new cheap computer to allow Windows to support the new features, but not enough to do much else.

>>55916898
I've never installed Linux before.

>>55914834
I've been running w7 on my skylake since the day after it came out you stupid fuck

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>>55915559
a little of topic, but cars have sensors in their engines wich detect the octane rating of gas to prevent knocking, simply by lowering the compression, so this isn't a good comparison

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Or you could just install OS X on your existing hardware and be done with it.
Mainstream support, 99% of productivity software compatible, godtier looks...
all without taking apples dick up your ass and buying their shit hw

>>55915112
Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB Version. No bloat, just the os and basic stuff like in windows 7

>>55917464
unless your current setup isn't compatible because of Apple's proprietary BS and you can't play any games

>>55915814
>Windows 10 says fuck you and goes slow even though Nvidia GPU and AMD processor.
I think it's time to upgrade your Athlon XP and GeForce 2. I hate idiots like you. "This WiNBloW$$$ is bad because it doesn't work on my 15 years old hardware."

>>55917592
this

>>Linux desktops are still a fucking joke
I doubt you've tried Ubuntu 16.04 you fucking twat
If you had you wouldn't be saying that

>>55916859
If it's a new model, it won't have drivers for W7. And it won't have Linux drivers for another 3 years.

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>>55914764
>Linux desktops are still a fucking joke
Let's look at things positively.
>Ubuntu's Unity is ditching GTK in favor of Qt
>LXDE is doing the same
>KDE as well as others are putting effort in wayland ports (except xfce, fuck you xfce)
>Qt itself is doing a lot on the wayland end of things
>wayland is slowly getting somewhere for a change
>resisting systemd is still a thing

Looking forward to total Qt/Wayland domination at some point in the future.

>>55917592
Fortunately, Linux runs fine on old hardware. I don't know what Windows' problem is that its so inefficient, but whatever.

>>55915453
the difference is I can keep those websites in a cuckshed, instead of surveillance running rampant across the entire OS

>>55915559
>computing/car analogies
anyone who thinks these ever make sense should be shot

>>55916671
yeah it's shit
windows VM w/pci passthrough best grill

>>55916859
>I just want to use this laptop for internet browsing and maybe play rom emulators now and then
literally just install ubuntu
linux has better support for emulators anyway

>>55917737
Sure. There are no working drivers on Linux distributions after 2007 for SiS hardware. Generic ones for GPUs give you 640x480 and network card disconnects itself every 15 seconds. Works like intended, right?
And SiS was very popular cheapo choice until 2005.

>>55917844
the fuck is SiS

>>55917737
It's because linux is modular as fuck and windows isn't. Windows 7 has a set minimum recommended hardware spec and there's little you can do about it. Linux you can make as beefy or as minimal as you need.

>>55917627
Have they fixed the bug on skylake machines that refused to boot because of a "open cover"
Or is the HDMI output on igpu still broke?
Can you still not install crimson?

Fuck off with your buntu love, they are just as shitty as any other distribution.

>>55917874
They used to make really godawful-slow video chipsets. Was common for integrated video before it started being put into Intel chipsets and then CPUs.

>>55917844
I put Debian and Xubuntu on some cheap Atom netbook my friend has from like 2008. Only driver I needed was some non-free thing for Broadcom wireless. Firefox was sluggish but other than that everything just werked.

if you just want command-line everything this side of a Pentium Pro is fine.

>Change cursor theme
>It only works if you hover over certain windows
>Use Firefox
>The tabs aren't in the title bar and take up more space
>Want to install a program
>Have to add a new repo for each program and find the package name instead of just downloading an installer
>Want to do literally anything
>People tell you to use terminal commands for everything and will never tell you where to find the GUI versions that are way easier to use
I don't care how many programs or games get linux support, it's still ass to use on a desktop

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>>55917874
different anon here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Integrated_Systems
It's pretty much deprecated technology that barely made it onto ddr2 compatible motherboards. It's like saying you still want IDE drives in this day and age for no proper reason.
>>55917844 is likely just a fucking lazy cunt poorfag that needs to get a job.

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>>55917990
>installing ubuntu
>20XX
you dun fucked up

I've been using arch with i3 for over a year and it's been amazing

>>55918027
I've tried all of the meme distros that the cool internet kids use. Arch, gentoo, mint, debian, they all have problems

>>55918027
What's wrong with ubuntu?

>>55917990
>>>Want to install a program
>>Have to add a new repo for each program and find the package name instead of just downloading an installer
you're doing something wrong. 99% of the time either the program or something that does the same thing is available in your distro's repos. The whole point of the distro having repos is to avoid you going and downloading random software from the internet, actually, that's how a lot of malware spreads.

that plus wanting a GUI for everything sounds to me like you're trying to use Linux the exact same way you use Windows. Don't do that. Spend your effort learning a better way to do things, instead of spending it trying to avoid thinking.

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>>55915407

>>55918023
>Windows 10 is bad because it doesn't support my 15 years old hardware!!1!
>Posted example of 15 years old hardware that doesn't work on Linux
>You have to compare it to something newer you poorfag!

>>55918051
it uses apt
on arch all you have to do to get nearly any package is enable multilib and install yaourt

>>55918050
they're all not without faults
steam gets autistic on arch because it tires to use system libraries, which on arch are lightyears ahead due to rolling release

>>55918070
it doesn't work on linux because no one wants to bother supporting it, when the vast majority of users are using modern machines, and only the elite wizards bother fooling with old shit

>>55918096
>>it uses apt
>on arch all you have to do to get nearly any package is enable multilib and install yaourt
yeah and on *buntu/debian all I have to do to get any package with apt is type "apt update && apt install whatever".

>but apt is slow!
big deal, it takes 20 seconds instead of 10 to install your new program.

>>55914791
This
Best to have several computers.
I have windows box just for games and media and dont give two shits about ms telemetry.

>>55918053
I'm not doing something wrong, you expect EVERY program that I want to be in one repo?
Most times, there's a repo just for the one program specifically, and I'm not going to install from some random chuckle fucks repo and hope it's not a keylogged version of the program, I get them straight from the developers website.
>you're trying to use Linux the exact same way you use Windows. Don't do that. Spend your effort learning a better way to do things, instead of spending it trying to avoid thinking.
Why the fuck would I want to think about how to use a computer. If I want to change the cursor I should be able to press the "change cursor" button.

>>55918096
Why do I care that it uses Apt?

I want a OS that works. Does Apt stop Ubuntu functioning?

(Not even kidding, what's wrong with apt?)

>>55918195
I think I fugged up
nothing is inherently wrong with apt, it's just that a lot of stuff that isn't in the main repo's requires adding extra repo's, while on arch most of that software is in the official repo's

>>55918163
>>I'm not doing something wrong, you expect EVERY program that I want to be in one repo?
uh... yeah. I can't remember the last time I needed something that wasn't in my distro's repos.

>Why the fuck would I want to think about how to use a computer.
Because it's a complicated general-purpose machine, not a toaster?

My aunt thinks like you. She clicks on links in spam and installs what it tells her to, and gets malware all the time. Every time I tell her not to do that she bitches about how it's too hard and they shouldn't expect ordinary people to have to know any of this stuff.

If you're not willing to think not only is Linux not for you, but computers aren't for you. Life isn't for you, when you come right down to it, since the more you're determined to not think, the more probable it is that someone who does think will take advantage of that.

>>55918070
Thanks for missing the point entirely you fuckwad.
Anyway I don't give a shit what OS you use, my point was that you can't expect a modern OS to have hardware compatibility that goes that far back. Neat if Windows 10 pulls it off, shame linux does not. That's how it is. Doesn't mean much more than that though, a specific usecase.

>>55918221

Oh Ok. I've come over as a recent migrant from Windows (10 is dogshit and they crippled 7) and was pleasantly surprised with how good Ubuntu had gotten.

I tried c. 2011, Ubuntu, Mint and Arch and was less than impressed, so setting up Ubuntu and having FDE, networking, all drivers working right out the box was pretty good for me. I'm not as much of an OS tinkerer so I've really enjoyed the experience.

>>55918260
Explain to me why having to enter a terminal command to turn off mouse acceleration is better than having an option in the settings
Surely if you have to think about it it's better right?

>>55917644
I think I got this laptop as a close out of slightly old stock. I remember the clerk saying they were trying to get rid of them.

>>55918337
They accomplish the same thing. You only prefer having a GUI option because you're used to it on Windows and already know where it is. To someone who doesn't know, searching "disable mouse acceleration" and getting the results "go into this menu and untick this box" and "type the following into a terminal" are equivalent.

And really, if you're unwilling to google "how to do (some task)" and follow the instructions that pop up, I wonder how you managed to learn to use a computer to begin with, on any operating system.

>>55918370
>To someone who doesn't know, searching "disable mouse acceleration" and getting the results "go into this menu and untick this box" and "type the following into a terminal" are equivalent.
No they aren't. Anyone's first instinct would be to go to the mouse settings. Having to google how to use your OS means it's doing a bad job.
>I wonder how you managed to learn to use a computer to begin with, on any operating system.
I turned it on and went into the settings

W10 for all my CAD/CAE and games
Linux for shit posting

>>55917935
I had SiS video on a fuckin win2000 pc i used to own. The video chip was garbage even for the day it was created, granted i was using it long after then.

>>55918163

Why hasn't anyone ported BASH functionality to web browsers? A simple...

<a href="bash://sudo%20apt-get%20install%20firefox">Click here to Install</a>

...would be enough to remove 80% of the friction new Linux users experience when trying to use their systems. You could even have "Click here to enable repo", "Click here to install application". Yes, there are security risks involved, but Fedora already has "You need superuser permissions to do that". I imagine the other major distros do too.

Of course it would be disabled by default, but Apple's solution should be easy enough to emulate. A popup for "Your security settings do not allow programs from the internet to use bashlinks. Please click here to go to your Security Preferences and enable bashlinks."

..and...

"Only a select few commands are enabled by default, but advanced users can whitelist any command by entering it in the field below"

I wonder if I could make that a Firefox extension or a gnome extension or something.

>>55918053
>that plus wanting a GUI for everything sounds to me like you're trying to use Linux the exact same way you use Windows. Don't do that. Spend your effort learning a better way to do things, instead of spending it trying to avoid thinking.

See I'm open to Linux but this is one thing I just don't understand. What fucking difference does it make if I browse for my files in the command line instead of just using a visual file manager? What benefit do I get out of typing 'ls' in every new folder I enter over just having all folder contents automatically visible by default in a gui? It's like the qwerty/dvorak thing, neither approach comes off as any more or less 'better' than the other to make it worth the effort and time to relearn something you already know how to do.

>>55918487
But linux is all about being a leet haxor things aren't supposed to be easy

>>55914891
Revit?

>>55914764
yes, kill yourself

>>55918412
I agree with this guy.
I wouldn't have an issue with Linux OS' if not for ingrained counterintuitivity that is treated like a godsend by an insanely obnoxious cult like elitist following.
Because the Linux users see their Operating System as "smarter than Windows" because it doesn't have executable installers, and requires constant command line usage instead of convenient, thoughtful GUI design, there will never be improvement in that regard.

I mean for real, arguing that a GUI is for idiots, when using a Linux OS that has a GUI at the core is so ass backwards. Not to mention they cry at any notion of non open source content, as if the NSA is constantly planting backdoors into everything, and as if they actually give a shit what you're doing anyway.

>>55914764
buy a console, dunno man

>>55918590
> because it doesn't have executable installers
you mean self-extracting binary packages

you know you can just download a .deb and double click it right?

>and requires constant command line usage instead of convenient, thoughtful GUI design
"constant usage" is definitely bullshit but if you want to make the argument that there's too much of it for you then fine.

but the reverse is true on windows as well, because 98% of tasks are done via clunky GUI sub-sub-sub-windows that hog focus.

if working through a centralized shell that lets me do nearly everything with a dozen keystrokes makes me an elitist, then so be it.

>I mean for real, arguing that a GUI is for idiots, when using a Linux OS that has a GUI at the core is so ass backwards.
GUIs are wonderful. they very often are superior to CLI. the cool thing about most Linux distros is that they almost always offer you ways to use both approaches.

I'm going to take a wild guess and assume you've never actually used a modern distro for more than 5 seconds.

>>55918590
I dont understand how the counterintuitivity is treated like a godsend, but I dont think that Linux user see the OS as "smarter than windows" in any arena, other than maybe features like built in disk encryption. I think that we think you have to be generally smarter to USE the OS (or at least more educated in CS/operating systems) but this is because of the bugginess.

That being said, the bugginess on most days is a minor headache (if it can even qualify as a headache) because if you have linux on your machine, chances are that you are a serious developer.

Getting past that, Linux is a great OS for devs. Aside from gcc and the like being built-in, linux really lets you modify the OS as you please. Not happy with a certain bash command? Write your own version! Bash is inherently better than cmd/batch, and after a while, as a linux dev, you get hooked on shell scripts for compilation and execution, and the ability to automate everything.

Making directories, deleting/renaming files is significantly faster in bash, plus you have things like hard links, sudo apt-get (afaict more secure and easier than windows installation), and of course, my personal favorite, vim (not because it is a pain in the ass to get used to).

The biggest benefit of all, to a conspiracy theorist, is of course that Ubuntu doesnt send your data to any corporate overlords. Im impartial here because I dont wear a tinfoil hat or have any extra chromosomes

>>55914764
>Linux desktops are still a fucking joke
Yes, kill yourself

>>55918752
I've used Mint and Ubuntu before, each one for several weeks at a time.
Ubuntu is despised on /g/ for having an "app store". I don't know what people here think of Mint, I though it was okay i guess.

Personally, I think that "self-extracting binary packages" (oh look at you) are something we created for a reason, and the lack thereof in linux is a major issue that tears the average user away from the GUI and overall user experience entirely.
Also, I'm sure that it's probably my fault, but I've never been able to successfully install a single program in Linux, I followed guide after guide, and it never worked. Maybe if I kept at it, I'd get it down, but for fucks sake, that's a barrier to entry for people who are new to it.

I use the long term support Windows 10. No bs Cortana or other features and no feature updates

>>55918487
You know you can provide a download for .deb files in order to install packages, right?

>>55915587
It works, but it's still not supported.

>>55919272
But no one ever does

>>55914764
stop gamming and do something useful with your time. also steam works on linux. also wine works good. Also FUCK your DRM games faggot.

>>55919272

Why would I want .deb files to be distributed if I'm already in the default repo?

>>55919740
I'll never understand winfag's attachment to downloading untrusted executable installers from fuck knows where.

>>55919740
To make it more accessible for normies. People know how to download a file and double click it.

>>55918935
he literally explained that Linux doesn't lack self extracting binary packages you dense fuck

>>55919787

That doesn't mean it's a good idea because >>55919786

At least with a link, they're getting it from a trusted repo. If someone really wanted to push malicious content, they'd have to set up their own repo and deliver it that way, meaning a user would get:

1. "The following repo: $repo is not trusted. Are you sure you wish to add this repo to your approved list?"

Adding a repo should be a bit stricter. It would obviously require the superuser password but you can also make a checkbox for "I understand that adding untrusted repositories can result in malware being delivered to my computer" and a 10-second countdown before allowing the user to add it.

Something like that would also incentivize repo maintainers and devs to either get their software in the default repo, or add a trust relationship so future versions of sources.list include their repo by default, or maybe a "trusted but not enabled by default" status.

2. "The following site: http://www.hurr.ru wants to install software on your computer. Are you sure you wish to allow this?"

For legitimate software coming from the default repo, using a link notation makes the process even easier, because all they'll do is click a link, get a security warning, and then the program is installed. It's one less step since there's no .deb package the user sees, and they get it through the repo, as they should be in the first place.