Why do so many people own electric cars these days? Is it only

it's because Teslas are cool

Did you miss the part where lithium is almost completely recyclable?

>>55898456
yep it sure is a hole in the ground, it's not like that shit has ever occurred naturally anywhere on earth or anything. plus a deer might fall down and break a leg or something.

definitely as bad as emptying subterranean wells full of dead plant and animal matter, and refilling them with fresh drinkable water so that the ground doesn't collapse.

much better for the environment to dig up a fuckton of bitumen and separate the oil within through a process that actually burns oil itself, and dump the byproduct into adjacent lakes, so that the ensuing product can be burned some more, producing emissions that completely fuck the ozone layer. totally as bad as a big hole in the fucking ground.

Alberta is the greatest embarrassment in the history of Canada, and by far. I'm glad Harper is gone so that you hicks can sink back into irrelevance.

>>55898456
please, share more of the facebook memes you base your political opinions on

>>55898456
This is antilogic. 1/10 shill for making me reply

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Ikr

Pic related

>>55898521
Did you miss the part were lithium mining poisons the ground water? Recyclabe doesn't mean that it's clean.

>>55898555
Cuckold detected

>using the same tired old image that has been disproven countless times before

Please, let this bait end...

>>55898456
imagine the original creator of this propaganda
do you think they realized how much harm one picture could do

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>>55898456
http://www.snopes.com/lithium-mine-oil-sands/
Obvious troll is obvious, that's a copper mine, not a lithium mine. You don't mine lithium. Also pic related is what an actual oil Sands site looks like.
>>55899066
/g/ will still fall for it, just like the Karly Kloss bullshit picture and just like the "all sex is rape" misquote that misspells the name of the feminists it attributes the quote to.

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>>55898456
Lithium is extracted from briney salt water you moron

they literally just lay out water in the sun

and yes I know this is bait, but there's a lot of stupid people on /g/ that will buy this shit

>>55899155
>>55899177
/g/ is dead and this thread proves it

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>>55898456
First of all: http://cleantechnica.com/2016/05/12/lithium-mining-vs-oil-sands-meme-thorough-response/
And second of all pic related is a lithium "mine" (actually salt flats where nothing lives anyway, not even bacteria)

OP BTFO

>>55899191
Oh please, /g/ has always been anti progress. If it's new, they don't like it.
>Windows 7? Lol Vista with a service pack
>Skylake? Sandy bridge 4 life, thermal paste Jews
>Women working in tech? They don't think logically
They've been like this for the past six years, nothing has changed.

>>55899236
Do you know that that site is biased as hell towards electric cars?

Some food for thought:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/electric-cars-are-not-necessarily-clean/

http://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas-electric-cars-might-not-green-think/

>>55898456
That's a launch pad in russia not an oilsands site and the other is marble quarrel.
The process to extract oilsands is extremely contaminating anyways

>>55899390
>Your battery-powered vehicle is only as green as your electricity supplier

no fucking shit

but even a coal plant is much more efficient than your car's ICE

setting up an electric infrastructure which can be adapted to emerging technologies is a much better plan than being stuck on gasoline

>>55899018

Pack it up, guys. He said 'cuck', all of our arguments are invalid now.

>>55899390
>Both articles point out that America doesn't use enough renewable energy sources to generate electricity
>That means the Tesla is nearly as polluting as a tiny, hyper efficient hybrid
Oh no, we should abandon any attempt to make an electric car and never work towards using renewable energy. We should just keep using petrol and diesel.

>>55899517
And that's not even the electric car's fault. It's just that the US is pretty shit at renewable energies.

Yeah but unfortunately for fossil fuels they're a finite resource that causes insane damage to the atmosphere. Some poisoned land is a small price to pay for having an atmosphere.

You can't avoid the demise of the fossil fuel, whether or not you think that electric vehicles are the right alternative is immaterial, you don't really get to decide. However if you want to provide an alternative to electric instead of shitposting on /g/ then go right ahead I'm sure we'd all love to hear your idea.

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>>55898456
You forgot to take into account that once that oil is sucked up it's then burned off through combustion engines that then seeps into our air.

Face it, Elon Musk has the right idea with Iithium . It's not the end all be all alternative for energy, but it's a stepping stone in the right direction. Remember... humanity is a ticking time bomb, we have less than a century to become a truly interstellar civilization or else we'll face extinction.

>>55899707

algae-powered bio cars that run on ATP and sugar

>tfw bought LIT ETF in early 2015

>>55899803
Pipe dream, hydrogen has a better shot and it's shit.

Want another swing at it?

>>55899869
No, that's the answer

We can't possibly build better energy storage systems than what evolution has perfected over billions of years. Everything else is a mechanical stopgap.

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Mining lithium pollutes irrelevant third world countries.
Running fossil cars pollutes our own civilized society.

There is a big difference.
The era of globalism and "hurr we're all equal I'll gladly make my life worse to improve that of the Chinese/Africans/Asians/Saudi Oil Producers" is over.
Now is the era of nationalist backlash.

Fuck other countries. Now we care about ours. Free trade is dead. Open borders are dead. Caring about third world countries' environment is dead.

It hasn't even started yet, nationalist parties are already #1 in polls all over Europe, even France and Holland. Brexit was just the start. Trump is a clown but if he doesn't get the job done, the next person will.

>>55899986
I think the globalism idea is far too early right now.

Give it another 50 years and it'll make sense. But for now the planet just isn't ready for it, but someday we'll all merge together and it'll no longer matter.

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>>55900033
It had a good 30 year run.

The developing world had the biggest gain in wealth ever seen in history.
The developed world stagnated.

Now it fights back. The elites don't get it because they are the ones on the right side of the graph.

>>55898456
Weak bait, I doubt anyone will think you're serious with a pic like that

it all stems from the incorrect notion that human flatulence and exhalations are pollution, to the point where 'save the rainforests' or 'don't dump heavy metals into the water supply' are no longer en vogue environmental concepts

>>55898456
It improves air quality in cities, which reduces mortality due to particulate matter

Mining may be bad but smog is worse

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>>55898456
That picture is such bullshit. The top picture isn't even a lithium farm.

>>55898456
That's not a lithium mine you fucking idiot

>>55899507
Go back to reddi.t

>>55898456
>that picture
[triggered]

>>55898456
Wtf I hate Elon Musk now!

>>55899803
Efficient, but not exactly speedy.

>>55898456
Wtf I hate reason now

>>55899155

but the karlie kloss picture is literally on her twitter/instashit ??? How is /g/ fallng for that lmao

>>55900828
once we have autonomous vehicles, we won't need 2000 lbs of crash protection

hell a couple thousand watts will get you up to 60 mph

eliminating intersections and stop-go traffic will lower the torque requirements too

>>55898456
Lithium battery technology is a dead end anyway. In my country for example it would make sense with fuel cell cars. Electricity is so cheap sometimes due to wind energy that the prices are negative several times during a day. Making hydrogen during these peaks would make a lot of sense.

That said I could see myself getting a lithium battery car. I rarely have to use my car and the longest trips on average are around 10km. And there are charging stations everywhere now.

>>55901157
>making hydrogen with electricity instead of feeding it directly into cars via the existing electric grid

>>55898456
>Why do so many people own electric cars these days?
bc of the federal tax cut that comes with the purchase of a car. all government industry subsidies should be removed immediately

>>55901330
The point is that lithium is a dead end technology. And using hydrogen to store energy makes sense currently where I live. Plenty of water everywhere with plenty of cheap electricity. Starting a new infrastructure project to put up powerlines everywhere is not an option.

>>55901157
>Electricity is so cheap sometimes due to wind energy
TOP HEE. elderly people in the uk, spain, and Germany are dying bc of all of their governments mandating taxes on "fossil fuels" if it werent for the intervention wind would never have suvived this long.

>inb4 muh oil
oil became the dominant source of fuel in 5 years, all over the world

>>55898456
>lithium is only for CAR batteries

>>55898456
>Why do so many people own electric cars these days?
because theyre better for the environment

>>55901424
>TOP HEE. elderly people in the uk, spain, and Germany are dying bc of all of their governments mandating taxes on "fossil fuels" if it werent for the intervention wind would never have suvived this long.
It's a shit source indeed. But considering around 45% of our power is provided by nuclear reactors and the other 45% is hydroelectric which is saved for the winters there is only one outcome when the wind blows a lot. You just don't shut down your nucelar reactors just because it's windy a few hours. This results in more or less free energy that can be used to create hydrogen.

>>55901409
>lithium is a dead end technology

>citation needed

>>55901504
okay cool, not be nit picky, but nuclear is the main source of energy in that be is anytime, the issue with wind is its not on demand and its lost to storage, and insane maintenance, im all using all types of energy but the susidies and strict regulations being applied to certain things and not the others doesn't actually help anyone

>lithium is dead end
>but nuclear isn't

EVERY TIME

>>55901621
The economically viable mining of Lithium resources in the earth crust is not really enough to replace oil for all the cars and trucks in the world. Especially considering there are no viable way to recycle Lithium batteries today that I know of.

I'm assuming hitting peak Lithium would similarly like peak oil allow for new prospecting to go on allowing for new mines to be opened lowering prices for Lithium. Without recycling though I'm confident we would hit a permanent peak Lithium faster than a permanent peak oil.

>>55901642
Yeah but it's not like I can call the government and tell them they are fucking retarded. The cards have been dealt for the next 25 years before the wind mills fall apart so might as well make the best out of it.


>>55901673
We have a constant 80 year worldwide supply of Uranium due to when prices increases we can prospect for new Uranium deposits. Which happened a few years ago extending the 60 year world wide supply to some 90 years or so. I'm confident that if still run current gen reactors in 100 years time we are fucked anyway.

>>55899620
>What is base load?
I can tell there aren't any actual power engineers here. Renewables are a cancerous meme. If any country on earth tried to cover base load with renewables they'd have blackouts every time the winds were unfavorable or the sun was a bit too obstructed by cloud cover.

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>>55901919
>Especially considering there are no viable way to recycle Lithium batteries today that I know of.

this has to be bait.

10/10 for making me respond

>>55902186
>what are batteries

>>55902367
No I'm not trolling. Recycled Lithium is 5 times more expensive than mined Lithium. So yeah my point still stands. There is no viable way to recycle Lithium batteries today.

>>55902635
And that's infinitely cheaper than recycled gasoline

>>55898956

oh, so just like fracking

>>55898956
>lithium mining poisons the ground water

because so many humans and animals live in the salt flats?

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>>55898456
did you know my shitbox truck from the 90s is better for the environment despite having all of its emissions systems stripped out just for the sheer fact its been on the road longer than ive been alive

fuck electric hybrid bullshit when you have glorious shitbox v8

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>>55902635

ah darn, maybe we should tell all those lithium battery recycling companies to shut down because they aren't making any profit

oh no wait its because you're talking bullshit

>>55902707
>did you know my shitbox truck from the 90s is better for the environment despite having all of its emissions systems stripped out just for the sheer fact its been on the road longer than ive been alive

>believing this

>>55902707
it takes an amazing amount of oil industry jewery to convince someone that this is true

i'm actually pretty impressed by their tactics

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>>55902723
tell me more about how manufacturing new cars is good for the environment

IM WAITING M8

and even if you can come up with a reason enjoy having a car full of computers that can be tracked by the government and full of non open source software

>>55900893
He's referring to the "fast invert sqrt is male code badly written bleah" fake pic, not the legit one where she struggles with cd.

>>55902757
Your rose-colored glasses have gone full infrared my man

>>55898555
what? there's sectionalism in canada? kek

>>55902757
>tell me more about how manufacturing new cars is good for the environment

even when using the absolute best numbers to support your argument, driving your shitbox would cancel out the production of a new car in less than 1.5 years

>>55902757
>Gets called out and looks like a retard.
>Moves goalposts and starts spouting memes.

Reddit is that way my dude.

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>>55902868
WEW LAD sure is summer in here

>>55902709
They certainly aren't recycling the Lithium in the Lithium batteries unless there have been a very recent breakthrough in recycling techniques. They are probably recycling cobalt and nickel.

>>55899018
>>>/pol/

>>55901021
This. You don't need to go as fast when the route is substantially more efficient.

And you can make substantially lighter vehicles when you don't need to concern yourself with retards crashing into shit and ruining everything.

I can't wait for carbon fiber technology to become ubiquitous.

>one car battery
>lasts at least 5 years
>equivalent size in gasoline
>lasts around 2-4 months
hmmmmmm

>>55902707
That's a nice truck man

>>55898456
Dat fucking picture.

It is fake as fuck and I still see idiots reposting it on plebbook.

>>55902864
there was, under Harper. he was an Albertan who spent the better of part of his terms prepping up the Albertan industry.

and as soon as he's gone, bam. province goes to hell. although Notley could be to blame there as well.

>>55899177
>>55899191
why do you expect /g/ to know about primary sectors, let alone give a shit about them

is this how you project your insecurities?

>>55903224
wut

>>55903384
no I have a reasonable expectation of people in the year 2016 to at least consult wikipedia before forming and spreading an opinion

>>55898555
> emissions that completely fuck the ozone layer

pseudoscience-peddling cult member detected

>>55903641
so far I've been called cuck, redditor and pseudoscience-peddling cult member

and still not a compelling rebuttal in sight

lithium isnt mined you fucking retards its so embarrassing to read your 2 paragraph long posts about shit you dont know the first thing about

Thorium power when?

>>55898456
That top image is, in fact, a mine. It’s a copper mine. This particular mine is BHP’s Escondida Mine, one of the 10 largest in the world.

Before this continues, to repeat … that’s a copper mine. In 2015, we used about 19 million tons of copper. Getting that copper out took digging big holes in the ground, just like the one in that first picture. It also involved using millions of pounds of blasting agent, carrying rock to crushers, spraying that crushed rock with millions of gallons of sulfuric acid, then letting the resulting toxic sludge sit around in leach fields to extract the copper.

How many times has someone approached you and warned you that copper is a bad thing and that you shouldn’t use it? I’m willing to bet that number is zero.

On the other hand, the world produces about 650,000 tons of lithium each year. Lithium exists mostly in the form of concentrated salts. Almost all that lithium—greater than 95 percent of it—is produced through a process of pumping underground brine to the surface and allowing it to evaporate in big pans. It’s separated from the brine using electrolysis.

There’s nothing you would think of as mining. No blasting. No trucks driving around carrying loads of crushed rock. No sprays of sulfuric acid.

>>55898456
And to add onto your bottom half of your picture, that big tower in the middle is just a drilling rig which eventually gets taken down along with everything else on that oil patch and all that remains after is just a small 20 ft. high pump jack (those "horse" looking things that swing up and down to pump the oil out of the ground) which can easily be concealed by tree's or a small, more aesthetically pleasing structure.

A better and more fair comparison is to compare a small pump jack with that massive mine, or even a windmill (which are not only massive and hideous, but they kill birds as well). Green energy fags are massive hypocrites and rediculously delusional.

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>>55898456
Centralized energy production blows the fuck out of individual combustion engines on all fronts

>>55903765
>>55903763
lmao who gives a shit about how ugly mines are or what they do to the planet? By the time it matters we'll all be dead anyway

>>55902186
See
>>55902546

>>55902546
>what is current technology
>what is energy density
The amount of power stored in the most advanced batteries today isn't nearly sufficient to store base load power for any period of time. A lithium cell base of a million units wouldn't power a small European city for ten minutes at slack time, much less average base load.

>>55903732
>lithium isnt mined
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brine_mining

>>55903765
Except the ground under the oil rig looks like the mine ;^)

>>55903790
This bitch is drawn like a cheeky cunt

How to beat climate change: do what france does in the power sector, and replace road vehicles with EV's.

Regarding EV's, there's been a lot of press surrounding electric cars, but trucks contribute more to total CO2 emissions and should be given highest priority. Because of the square-cube law they get better range from any given battery technology than cars do.

And regarding the OP, that image is wrong in so many ways. Pollution from battery ingredients is generally not significant compared to pollution from say, the aluminium industry.

>>55903673
the compelling argument is that the human involvement in the ozone depletion is a bunch of crap. the whole thing came from a bunch of (intentionally?) faulty measurements decades ago. it's still presented today as some undeniable fact by overly smug, poorly-educated persons such as you.

>>55903790
I want to bury my face on those thighs.

>>55898555
>>55898555
wtf I hate Alberta now

>>55903844
>discussing future energy generation
>hurr durr but we should pretend our existing battery technology won't make the same technological leaps

>>55904071
No, that is not a compelling argument. Get the fuck out of here and back to your containment board where you belong, stormfag.

A compelling argument presents data and cites research that would otherwise prove someone's claims incorrect.

But you don't have any. Not a single peer-reviewed study, not a single scientific publication, not even the rags that lay on doctor office coffee tables has ever said, "Global warming is a liberal hoax".

That's just conservative politicians.

And nobody else.

>>55904298
nigger I don't have to spoonfeed you just because you're experiencing moral outrage.

you can start from here
http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070924/full/449382a.html

>>55904463
>10 year old manuscript
>no corroborating evidence since then

>>55904526

> n-not a single scientific publication
> oh
> well this one is old!
> it's not possible that there was evidence against a decades-old theory a decade ago!

ok

>>55902801
You mean YOU are

because let's be honest nobody but you cares enough to reply.

and if you have a problem with shitty photoshops that's on you MFer.

>>55904627
No corroborating evidence is what disproves false studies.

Let's say, I produce a study that reveals that the sky is blue. Someone checks my study, and then performs the study again, and confirms that the sky is, in fact, blue. "The sky is blue" would then be scientific fact.

However, this is not the case. The sky is not, in fact, blue. The study I conducted was, "I looked up to the sky and it looked blue. Therefore, the sky is blue."

Then, someone came along and reproduced my study. "Yes, the sky does appear blue. However, when tested. it is revealed that it is not the sky that is blue, but rather, when at certain curvatures, the molecules in the air scatter more blue light from the sun than red light. They are not actually blue. It just appears that way because the light is bent upon entering our atmosphere."

That's how science evolves.

Your claim, and the study you linked, did not have any reproduction that backed up its findings. Furthermore, through the evolution of science, we have determined exactly why the Earth is heating up, have determined that the process is highly accelerated through man-made processes, and have determined what measures we would need to take in order to drastically reduce the effects until we develop a way to resolve the effects completely.

You are, in fact, a fucking idiot.

Now go back to your containment board.

I'm sure you're the faggot posting in the "climate conspiracy" thread about how the Jews on /g/ are "shilling".

You literally do not even know what shilling is.

Jesus fuck, you weren't dropped as a child, they must have punted your ass right into a brick wall.

>>55898521
I actually didn't know this. How do they recycle it, how efficient is it? Is it actually worth it?

>>55898456
That's not a lithium mine dumbass.
http://www.amusingplanet.com/2015/10/the-lithium-mine-fields-of-atacama.html

>>55904936
>How do they recycle it, how efficient is it?
They recycle it but not for the Lithium. They recycle it for other metals present in the batteries.
>Is it actually worth it?
For Lithium? No. Too expensive. As some other anon said recycling Lithium is 5 times more expensive than brine mining Lithium.

>>55903844
>>55902546
http://energystorage.org/energy-storage/technologies/pumped-hydroelectric-storage

This is used currently to meet peak demand. Storage is not a problem.

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>>55899390
You seem to be a mouth-breathing mongoloid, so let me help you understand.

The infrastructure that we use to produce electricity can be changed over time. An ICE engine needing fucking gasoline will never change.

Get it?

>>55898456
That's not a lithium mine and that's not an oil sands site. Try a google image search of those terms.

>>55905030
How about recycling gasoline?
>The same volume of gasoline as the lithium in an e-car will give you internal combustion for a few hundred miles.

>>55905475
Are you fucking retarded? Lithium isn't used as a fuel source in an ICE. Do you perhaps have double digit IQ? The reason why Lithium isn't recycled is because it's way cheaper buying Lithium from brine mining.

Next time when you buy a hamburger say that you want a recycled hamburger (poop) and you want to pay 5 times the price for it than a fresh hamburger.

>>55905475
Holy fuck I don't think I've ever seen someone genuinely this retarded on 7 years browsing 4chan.

Recycle...gasoline? What the fuck?

>>55905742
>>55905920
u guys r idiots 4 not understanding hw 2 recycle gasolne

>>55898555
As an albertan, fuck you.
Nothing you say will make me want to drive an electric car. Nothing you say will make me put down the keys of my skyline.
Fuck you, i bet you live in toronto and go to daily diversity classes sponsered by trudeau. I bet you pray that allah makes gas vehicles against shariah law so you can drive your electric car to the mosque so you can let your girlfriend get pounded by ahmed while you sit and watch.

>>55906353
WEW lad this is some funny shit right here. Did we need to put a trigger warning on the thread for you, honey?

>>55898456
>>>/pol/
sage

>>55906353
are you 12?

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>>55900780