Seems like /g/ hates pic related. Why? Whats so bad about Seagate?/What

>>55896886
That graph is telling me that Seagate is the only Hard Drive Company that managed to half their Failure Rate percentage and that WD fails more often than Seagate.

>>55896872
bump

>>55896925
and its true seagate is top tier while WD is overpriced shit

>>55896886
>>55896872
>>55896925
Think of WD if they were AMD cpus with a Intel price premium. Absolutely worthless

>>55896886
>Blackblaze

>>55896925
Blackblaze only had the WD Red for 2015 in an environment not suited for the Red.

>>55896872
the 3 TB seagates were a disaster, i had one and it failed, and it wasn't just me it has a ridiculously high failure rate and there's an ongoing class-action lawsuit for it

but WD is overrated, has a lot of marketing and hype

i went with HGST and judging by the backblaze stats it's extremely reliable compared to the alternatives

>>55900204
>WD is overrated
>So I went with a WD company

>>55900148
>>55900166
actually the price difference between the Seagate 1TB HDD and the WD Blue 1TB is just 1€

>>55900248
they're run separately and have different products

>>55900204
>>55900295
Please use capitalization and punctuation.

>>55900273
>cuckbucks
leave the eu

based HGST

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-failure-rates-q2-2016/

>>55900390
>again only WD Red

>>55900439
red is supposed to be reliable

>>55900454
Blackblaze doesn't have a typical desktop environment, and some HDDs don't do very well with a lot of vibration.

The Red Pro takes vibration much better than the regular Red which is just a budget HDD.
And a WD Re would be even better suited for that environment.

They've also bought refurbished shit in the past and included those in the figures.
Also the test sample isn't too big for some of the drives.

Reds just aren't meant for enterprise data storage, they can't take the vibration too well.
A Red Pro or the data centre WDs would do much better.
WD Black would also do better.
Maybe even the Blue would do better.

>>55900580
HGST megascale 4TB is cheaper than WD red, WD red pro, WD black, and marginally more expensive than WD blue, at least from here: (availability may vary)

https://www.proshop.se/Haarddisk/HGST-MegaScale-DC-4000B-HMS5C4040BLE640-Haarddisk-4-TB-35-5400-rpm-SATA-600-64-MB-cache/2431683

so personally i'm really happy with the enterprise HGST drive which is even cheaper than WD red

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>>55900336
i cant. i am the eu

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>>55896872

Seagate sucks because they sold 3TB drives from a plant contaminated by the Thailand flooding of 2011. They sold these drives everywhere they could even though they suffered better than 40% failure rate in the warranty period.

That's scumbag behavior.

>>55900248

Toshiba got the 3.5" HDD lines.

>>55900687
well you're speeding up the downfall of the EU so keep up the good work

>>55900647
I don't care what you're happy with, Swedecuck.

I only pointed out why Blackblaze isn't reliable and why the numbers of Reds are likely going to be worse in their environment than in a normal desktop environment.

I use Seagate drives in my NAS. Not because I like Seagate or anything, just because they were way fucking cheaper and I needed a bunch of them. I spent like $100 a pop on a bunch of 4TB Seagates, so eh, whatever. They've been running for about 6 months so I assume it's fine.

HGST are the best drives if you ask me.

>>55900696
>ethics
>business
pick one

>>55896886
>using desktop drives in a object storage environment instead of enterprise or cloud class disks
thanks for proving you dont understand how MTBFs are calculated for disks. there are many things which effect disk lifespan, from vibration, to temperature, to power on hours, and so on.

>>55900712
>In May 2012, WD divested to Toshiba assets that enabled Toshiba to manufacture and sell 3.5-inch hard drives for the desktop and consumer electronics markets to address the requirements of regulatory agencies.
damn this shit's complicated lol

>>55900734
even if wd red does better in normal desktops (but desktops can run much hotter and can also have a fair amount of vibration) then HGST should still be even better

>>55900757
>(but desktops
>have a fair amount of vibration)
please stop embarrassing yourself. go put a glass of water next to a 20 ton AC unit in a data center and tell me that again.

>>55900801
the AC unit doesn't shake the whole building

>>55896886
The reason Seagate has such high failure rates is because these iddiots pulled out HDDs from external drives during the HDD price crisis, so it does not accurately portray failure rates as the drives they used there are obviously worse than the one you buy in-store.

>>55900819
lmao I'm a civil engineer

yes they do

>>55900819
I never said that retard. The glass of water will constantly ripple on its surface. Desktop computers dont have to deal with shit like that, except what your lard ass plops down in our chair.

>>55900835
>so it does not accurately portray failure rates as the drives they used there are obviously worse than the one you buy in-store.
They're the same disks retard.

>>55900835
nah bruh check the user reviews on ST3000DM001 the internal one is shit too

>>55900757
Why do you keep responding like this is some sort of fucking discussion where you try your best to defend a purchase I don't care about in the slightest.

Also learn to punctuate and capitalize.

>but desktops can run much hotter
If your assumption is correct, then it's going to depend on how well the HGST does with higher temperatures compared to other HDDs.

>can also have a fair amount of vibration
No.

>>55900870
what are you even on about you stupid sperg

I went to the store to buy a 5 TB WD green drive to store my porn on, but it turns out according to the shop they only sell this model in blue now. I bought it anyway, did I fuck up my drive choice? I only had seagate barracuda and hitatchi before none failed.

>>55900923
>WD
say good bye to your electricity efficiency, money, data and your dignity you stupid fucker

>>55900882
Learn to punctuate and capitalize.

So far you've only tried to justify your purchase responding to my posts completely unrelated to your purchase.
I don't care about what you buy with your step-father's money.

>>55900923
In the past all the Blues above 1TB were rebranded greens anyway.
I think these days it's for every Blue above 2TB.
It's 5400 RPM so it may still be a rebranded green.

You could have bought a HGST deskstar for that money instead which is probably a little better.
The Blue is just fine, it doesn't matter *that* much, but the Deskstar is most likely better value.

>>55896886

bought a wd 2tb external this year a few months ago

should i worry over it inevitably failing on me? anyone know the lifespan for wd externals?

>>55901057
No, you don't have to worry.

Blackblaze is anything but the golden standard.

>>55901057
you should be prepared for a harddrive failure no matter what, any brand could fail when you least expect it, and maybe an accident happens or someone steals it etc

>>55901013
It was 140 € so I couldn't resist, in my country that is great value for the buck.

>>55896872
One odd capacity drive lineup had a higher than average failure rate several years ago, sending /g/ into one of their typical contrarian rage fits and it hasn't dissipated since then.

40% failure rate

>>55900696
So what are they supposed to do fucktard?
Just throw out inventory randomly on the chance that they might be defetive?

Or you know just replace the shit that's possibly contaminated through warranty like a sane person would.

>>55901561
Well, yes. Instead of forcing people to lose their possibly precious data.

>>55901561
any serious company would refrain from selling defective items that in any sensible industry would have to be recalled anyway. the flooding should be covered by their insurance, otherwise they should have just eaten the cost themselves.

>>55901561

>chance
>greater than 40%

Prices rose because the other manufacturers did not do what Seagate did. Seagate took advantage of the prices and dumped product made in a dirty factory. HDD factories have to be clean rooms.

http://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#sort=a7&page=1

They're still offloading these drives. Does warranty coverage also replace data?

>>55901699
>Not having RAID or backups

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>>55901993

So there's no chance of having an additional hardware failure while waiting for replacement? So your time to diagnose and replace the hardware is worthless? So you always keep every bit backed up?

>>55901611
>forcing
>precious data
>no backups

kek

>>55901657
>stop selling defective items
No, this only applies to dangerous items not HDDs

>>55902198
>sell defective items
>wonder why people don't like your company

>What is WD doing better than Seagate ?
Not failing.
I have a 10+ years old WD SATA drive and it still works. And a SEAGATE 7200.12 drive recently failed after some 5 years.

>>55902049
>I dont know what RAID 6 is
>I think it takes more than 3 minutes to swap a disk
>I still dont take regular backups

>>55902261
we get it, you're a neckbeard

Samsung Spinpoint F3

What HGST 1-2TB drive would you gentlemen recommend for mass storage?

Haven't bought Seagate since around 2012.

I had 3 internal HDDs fail (if only read the box back then, they were all chink shit)

strangely enough a thai made external hdd is still alive and kicking.

>>55900204
>judging by the backblaze stats
>Idiots actually use that data
Please die in a fire.

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>>55902295
at least i have a RAID 6

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>>55902261

>please notice my skillz, senpai
>I still buy hardware that fails >40% of the time

>>55902461
see >>55902456 retard, I have enterprise class HGST HDDs and enterprise class Seagate SSDs

>>55902421
>hurr i can't cope with the fact that wd red doesn't live up to its marketing
show some better data then faggot

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>>55902402

I'm not one of these sperglords who are arguing against Backblaze data. However, one negative side effect of the data is that HGST products are being overvalued. Many of the sub-5TB HGST drives on the market right now are used drives being resold as new to capitalize on the current consumer bias. Even if you were getting new drives, they are half a decade old.

>>55902593
>selling used drives as new
What the actual fuck?

Is WD blue a good idea? I could also get a red, but it's for a desktop, not a NAS (not sure of that's important).

A gate in the sea? Wtf? In the sea there's just water so how can there be a gate?

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>>55902473
>enterprise class
:^)

>>55902651
it's a gate they open to drown all your data

>>55902638

I'm not pretending to be an expert on HDDs but common sense says to avoid 3TB Seagates and <5TB HGSTs. I don't see a reason to not buy any other drive.

>>55902638
WD blue is just shit, get a barracuda instead

>>55902721
>WD blue is just shit
Why?
>get a barracuda instead
I don't trust seagate.

>>55902593
>Many of the sub-5TB HGST drives on the market right now are used drives
Its a 7K3000 disk, of course they're going to be used. They came out 5 years ago.

>>55902718
You're saying avoid HGST disks <5TB because one guy on Amazon is selling used disks as new? Oh wait, you're a tripfag, of course you're going to be retarded

>>55902651
have you never heard of watergate?

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>>55902970

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>>55902756
>i dont trust seagate
stop being a wd shill, wd is just total trash

>>55902593
the one i got from proshop was brand new

>>55903048
Very interesting picture. I notice the amount of seagate drives in their inventory for 2016 is a huge jump from the previous years. Maybe other companies are trusting seagate drives much more now. Maybe I will invest in seagate stock.

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>>55900331
Please, stop being autistic!

>>55903529
>2016
>investing in a HDD company

I mean, SSDs aren't going to completely replace HDDs any time soon, but I still don't think that would be a particularly smart investment in the long term.

>>55903628
good pic but there are huge differences between hardcore/hardstyle/techno/dubstep/drum n bass

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>>55903529
fingerprint cards
next biometrics

>>55896872
Only drives that were ever bad is 3tb. WD is shit though

>>55903628
autistic people make the world go round

>>55900580
> vibration
Do you live in a jeep? Do you live on a fault line?

>>55896872
>that logo
It's green like the algae growing on all the dead Seagate hard drives in the dump. The swirl is to remind you of the money you just flushed down the toilet.

>>55900696
Nothing's bad about a little water in the drive. Keeps it cool

>>55903945
>ive never been in a data center

>>55896872
Failure rate.

>>55903988
>i think all data centers are the same

>>55903988
Sucks for you buddy. When you do go and see no vibration let me know

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6028/dispelling-backblaze-s-hdd-reliability-myth-the-real-story-covered/index3.html#2Ga9XTFpVffXFJp8.99

I'm just going to leave this here in the hope that some of you idiots actually read it. It doesn't contain any easily digestible pictures so you probably won't.

>>55900148
>top tier
No, it's third-best. The best HDD manufacturer is HGST. Second is Toshiba. (HGST was the HDD division of Hitachi).

>>55904073
wd red is advertised as having vibration protection and being suited for multi-bay NAS systems

>>55904064
see >>55900801 retard

>>55904144
kill yourself

>>55903945
>>55904064
>>55904050
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4

You can actually damage hard drives by yelling at them.

>>55903628
>/reddit9k/frog as the normalfag
Makes sense.

>>55904144
Kys

>>55904162
data centers don't necessarily have much vibration and a desktop pc can also have multiple harddrives and fans blowing etc, sure a harddrive might do better in a desktop pc than in the backblaze tests (but it might also do worse because backblaze runs them cool and heat is also a harddrive killer), but fuck off with the autistic black-and-white categorizations, if a harddrive does better on backblaze it probably does better in desktop pc's as well, it's not like they were wrong about the 3 tb seagate fiasco

>>55904268
That was my first post. A hard drive will perform pretty much the same in a datacenter or a desktop. Both encounter vibration. In the datacenter it's from the CRAC units (which vibrate the raised floor) and in a desktop it's the fans.
Unless you're blasting loud music or yelling at your computer you probably won't see a significant difference in failure rate.

>wd hard drive fails, taking away 1tb of data
> external wd drive stops working
>replace with seagate
>faster, just werks
It depends. If you're unlucky you will get THAT one hdd, but as long as you backup where's the problem?

>>55904349
if you're given two choices for a harddrive, and one of them is 50% likely to fail within 5 years, and the other is 5% likely to fail, and they both cost about the same, which one do you pick

Pretty sure the greasy Cheetos fingers you fat pieces of shit use to put your computer together is more damaging than any of the vibrations from your fapping

I've heard that HGST drives are rock solid reliable but also incredibly loud. Is that true?

>>55904086
toshiba is literally irrelevant and hgst is enterprise, on the consumer end its more or less a duopoly and seagate is best

>>55904338
>servers dont have fans
>servers have lower speed fans than desktops
>servers have less thans than desktops
ladies and gentleman, another gaymer

>>55904663
>hgst is enterprise
they make desktop disks too retard
https://www.hgst.com/products/hard-drives/desktop-drive-kits

>>55904663
What the fuck does relevance matter if they make a good product?

>>55904554
it was surprisingly noisy during heavy read/write, not from the spinning but from the head movements, but during normal use as a mass storage device i don't notice it at all

>>55904663
the best is if you can find an enterprise HGST drive at a consumer price point like >>55900647

>>55904554
>I've heard that HGST drives are rock solid reliable but also incredibly loud. Is that true?
No, I have 8x UltraStar 7K4000s in a RAID 6 and they're quiet

>>55904699
Toshiba doesn't make good products their hard drivers are slow as fuck

of all the hard disks i've used over the years, the only three failures i've had were toshiba and hitachi (2 hitachis)
i have seagates and maxtors over 10 years old that still work and still pass SMART

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>>55896872
Note the stats for the Seagate drives.

>>55905882
>nearly 35k of the same model
>2.66% afr

seems good to me

>>55905882
This si why Seagate has always been kinda shitty. Only HD I've lost was a Seagate.

>>55904166

Ahh, you fell into his trap.

>autistic to correct the meme image

>>55905923
>lost a IBM deskstar (aka deathstar)
>don't buy hgst drives at all

that's how stupid you sound

>>55906009
No, I'm saying that their failure rates have always been shitty, and I stated that I wound up losing one.

I bought it because it was cheap, and I knew the risk.

You, however, made a leap to me saying something I didn't.

Butthurt? Fanboi?

Here's how stupid you sound:

> You don't like what I do, wahhhhhh

Grow up and learn to logic.

>>55906108
>their failure rates have always been shitty

[citation needed] or are you just recycling the same shitty /g/ memes?

fun fact: those ibm/hgst deathstars resulted in a class action law suit because the failure rates were quantifiably high

>>55900835
>MFW I've been using one of the 'notoriously unreliable' 1.5T drives pulled from an external for almost 7 years continuously with no problems

Just bought a 2 tb external from Seagate. Wish me luck!

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>>55906308
At least you didn't fall for the HGST meme

>>55905923
WD shill

I fell for the Seagate meme. Runs at 61 Celsius in the enclosure it came in.

smartctl 6.5 2016-01-24 r4214

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (AF)
Device Model:     ST2000DM001-1CH164
Serial Number:    Z240xxxx
Firmware Version: CC46

SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   120   099   006    Pre-fail  Always       -       242681856
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       144
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   066   060   030    Pre-fail  Always       -       4299960195
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   068   068   000    Old_age   Always       -       28705
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       60
184 End-to-End_Error        0x0032   099   099   099    Old_age   Always   FAILING_NOW 1
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       1 1 1
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   047   037   045    Old_age   Always   In_the_past 53 (Min/Max 28/63 #8573)
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       48
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   012   012   000    Old_age   Always       -       176340
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   053   063   000    Old_age   Always       -       53 (0 17 0 0 0)
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   071   071   000    Old_age   Always       -       4904
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   071   071   000    Old_age   Offline      -       4904
240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       2644h+13m+21.231s
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       17979585502
242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       10855158416

>>55906987
I have the exact same hard drive, your fucking something up since mines running at 34c

>>55907274
Mine's an external usb 3.0 - in the stock seagate enclosure.

>>55903678
I do like them all though.

>>55907295
same but i took mine out of the enclosure and put it in my case, its faster and cooler that way

>>55905923
I've had a 300gb Seagate drive for about 9 years still works fine