Are GMOs among the greatest inventions of all time, at the level

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Opposing GMOs is supporting the Holocaust of the 21st century

>>55885623
Then consider me a holocaust supporter.

>>55885762
luddite

>>55885623
Holocaust supporter reporting in

Do we even have proof that GMO does something uniquely negative to people ?

>>55885581
>>55885623
I don't like the government putting stuff to pacify me in my food and water and make government takeover and take our guns and freedom away possible.

>>55885829
Do we have proof that they don't?

>>55885623
>tfw not knowing the holocaust never happened

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>>55885829
Who needs proofs when you have feels?

>>55885916
We have no proof living doesn't do something uniquely negative to people so for the safety of yourself and others please sudo rm yourself.

>>55885942
>Being incredibly stupid

>>55885965
>Believing reptilian lies
Good goyim, you're been trained well.

>>55885953

ksh: sudo: not found

>>55885916
Decades of research has failed to show any negative health effects. Might as well ban rock music for corrupting the youth and wearing green shirts (they might cause autism! or AIDS!).

>>55885916
Do we have proof wearing yellow shirts on Mondays after wearing a purple shirt on Sunday doesn't cause malaria?

>reading /pol/ thread on GMOs
>some guy claims he's allergic to GMOs because he has celiac disease
>asked how he knows that
>says he can eat bread in Europe, which bans GMOs, just fine
>people link to Wikipedia article stating that GMO Wheat has never been commercially made
>person with allergies to GMO Wheat disappears.

Hating on GMOs is a mental disorder.

>>55885916
If that shit doesn't do anything more to us than what it's untouched, natural-grown brethen, then that's a good enough proof.

>>55886001
It's failed to show any negative effects, but has it been proven that there are none?

>>55886034
are you baiting?

>>55886030
See >>55886034

>>55885899
Except they don't lol. You really need to research things before you open your mouth and sound like a retard.
First off, no one "puts" anything into your food. In order to raise a genetically modified crop, you need to first modify the DNA and then grow it. There is no such thing as a magic chemical that you can spray on food that modifies its DNA like you see in the movies, the best you can do is raise GM seeds. Also really gonna need some reputable (links to actual studies not grainy infographics) sources on the whole pacify thing.

>>55885995
Back to your cancerous shit hole
>>>/pol/

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>>55886034
Are you dumb?

>>55886034
>we didn't find anything bad through our research
>PROVE THAT YOU DIDNT FIND ANYTHING BAD THEN

Anon, are you alright ? you're scaring me.

>>55886060
not an argument

>>55886020
Europe doesn't ban GMOs though

>>55886087
>>55886048
>>55886071
Not at all. The lack of proof that it does something negative is not proof that it does nothing negative.

>>55886034
you can't "prove" that a food is healthy you mongoloid

if there's nothing to indicate that it's unhealthy, it's healthy

that's how it works for literally every other food article and GMOs are no different

>>55886060
you arent doing nothing but confirm that im actually right

where are your history books when you need them?

>>55886103
>God is real and you can't prove me wrong

>>55885623
The holocaust didn't happen (concentration camps existed, death camps did not) but I wish it did.
Take a hike, kike

>>55886060
Your don't have to be from /pol/ to know jews are liars and cheaters retard. I don't even go to /pol/ much, too many redditors and normalfags there.

>>55886102
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/10/07/heres-why-19-countries-in-europe-just-completely-banned-genetically-modified-crops/

>>55886117
>if there's nothing to indicate that it's unhealthy, it's assumed to be healthy
FTFY

>>55886122
Can't be proven right either

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>>55885623
>Overpopulating the Earth even more
nty

>>55886153
yes, and if it's assumed to be healthy, it's ready for consumption

or would you prefer if we just banned all food until we could "prove" that it's healthy?

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>people complain about gmo
>those people actually eat chemical infested plants

>>55886034
You can't prove the non existence of something. Even the most fundamental laws of science, such as the law of gravity, are still theories in the sense that the proof of their existence is the lack (so far) of any evidence to the contrary, despite thousands of tests. So with GMOs it is the same thing. Despite thousands of test, there is still yet to be proof found of harmful side effects. It is beyond the expectations of science to expect a proof for a negative. Expecting GMOs to be unsafe is the same as expecting that gravity will stop one day for no reason.

>>55886193
I prefer to stick to real food, thanks.

>>55886149
That's not all of Europe. It's just the most retarded European countries like France, Germany and Denmark.

>>55886153
Prove that non-GMO foods aren't responsible for autism.
Pro-tip: Using your backwards ass logic you can't.

>>55886214
why?

>>55886226
I can't.

>>55886235
Why would I eat potentially harmful foods? I mean, it's cool that we can use GMOs to feed kids in Africa and all, but I can afford real food.

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>>55885942
>>55885995
Please read this picture and come back once you can post without acting like a total newfag.

>>55886260
Normal food is potentially harmful thanks to the chemical processes used on them.

>>55886260
>Why would I eat potentially harmful foods?

you don't eat any food?

otherwise how have you managed to prove that a food is not even potentially harmful?

>>55886260
>Why would I eat potentially harmful foods
All food is potentially harmful. GMOs, unlike naturally grown food can be modified to be larger, tastier, more fruitful (and as a result cheaper), resistant to certain weather and insects (making it safer since it doesn't need poisonous insecticide and cheaper due to lower costs) etc. By not eating it due to your fear of technology you cause yourself to become a Luddite.

>>55886260
You've just admitted that all foods are potentially harmful.
That means you should stop eating.

>>55886306
>>55886309
>>55886328
>>55886338
Sure it is, but it's been time tested enough for me to feel safe eating it. GMOs are much newer, I'll let them test it on the Africans. In the mean time, I'll stick to real food.

>>55886267
Funny how nobody ever tells someone to go back to /x/ for mentioning the reptilians, but mention the jews and you get immediately told to go back to /pol/. Also, /pol/ didn't invent hating jews, it's been a thing since jews have been around. Both the left and right, communists and nazis, and individuals of all races have loathed jews. So fuck off and stop being a newfag yourself next time someone attacks the kikes.

>world population is about to reach "oh fuck" levels
>GMOs are good for you goy eat up
Hehehe
>
3

>>55886349
Interesting thing to note, everyone who has eaten "real food" before 1890 has died.
Doesn't sound very safe.

>>55886349
GMOs have been consumed for decades

what's your completely arbitrary time span before you deem it safe for consumption?

>>55886384
xD

>>55886349
Bitch, all we're doing is playing gods for a few seconds just so we could make something natural more efficient.

If there is two things that the human race has over any other living species, it's self-consciouness and a thrive for efficiency.

>>55886390
The 10s of 1000s of years that mankind has been eating real food

>>55886420
I don't care about efficiency, the food I eat right now does just fine without us playing god.

>>55886434
The thing is, you are not the human race.

You are a member of it.

>>55886378
because x never derails perfectly good threads by trying to call attention to how edgy and "redpilled" they are. Please read >>55886267 and you will understand

>>55886466
Where did I say otherwise?

>>55886434
you don't eat any food that wasn't consumed by cavemen tens of thousands of years ago?

that excludes most of what you can buy in a grocery store

and what about bananas, broccoli (human inventions), do you not eat those?

>>55886378
Probably because no one mentions reptilians. Same way like you don't see off topic origami threads.

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>>55886225
Germans have to be the dumbest, most reactionary people in all of the world. ffs they banned nuclear paper after Fukushima like that old reactor design and how it couldn't survive an earthquake and tsumami like that's relevant. They probably bought the media hysteria about it too; the effects weren't even close to as horrible as shitty tabloids made it seem.

No wonder this country banned Jews too as soon as the economy fucked up. Retarded reactionaries. Hysterical manchildren who probably post on /v/ too.

>pic related: germany in 2018

>>55886378
>implying the reptilians meme isn't a jewish psyop

>>55886489
Sure I do, that and other foods that have been deemed safe by 1000s of years of man eating them
>that excludes most of what you can buy in a grocery store
I grow my own fruits and veggies and buy meat from local farms that don't use antibiotics or GMO crops for cattle food.
>and what about bananas, broccoli (human inventions), do you not eat those?
I occasionally eat bananas, broccoli's disgusting though.

>>55886056
See
>>55886001

>>55885623
On the one hand, I support GMOs, because all the evidence points to them being safe, but on the other hand, I really like the Holocaust, and I have no problem with a million nigger kids dying every year, in fact, that number should increase.

>>55886466
>implying he isn't a spacelizard

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>>55886103
> The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!

>>55885899
>pacify
I eat GMO all the time and I can be a pretty violent person

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>>55886434
>>55886489
Banana you buy from store vs wild banana

>>55886091
I don't think the person you're replying to intended to make an argument. It's not like >reptilian lies Is an argument anyway

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>>55885581
GMOs are easily one of the greatest inventions of all time, they like the vaccine are only opposed by absolute mouth-breathers

>>55885916

Shut up Hans.

Daily reminder Germans and Swedes ruined GMO, hydraulic fracturing and nuclear energy in the EU.

They deserve rapefugees.

>>55886539
It's only psyop when the jews try to deny the jews are reptilians.

I think food containing DNA should be labelled and a majority of Americans aagree with me

>>55885762
what does gmo stand for then, jackass?

>>55885805
ideologue

>>55886434
>does fine without us playing god
>playing god
I hate dumbass fundamentalists like you who think it's wrong for humans to "play god," and for some reason, growing more food is playing god, but drilling for and burning fossil fuels isn't

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>>55885623
This means the local population has exceeded the land's carrying capacity. You think feeding people GMO rice will make the problem better? It will only make the population hit the next starvation inducing number.

We are completely able to limit ourselves to a healthy number, but completely unable to do so. We are a cancer on this planet that grows uncontrollably.

I bet this guy works for Monsato too.

>>55886434
Vaccines are playing God too

>>55886599

corporate lover

>>55886664
I was just reusing the phrase the anon I was replying to used, you flaming fucking faggot.

>>55886674
I'm against vaccines too.

>>55885581
if you know about the industry you are aware they only infused a protein that already existed in nature, so they are pretty much the Microsoft of genetic engineering

current GMO is not equal to all possible genetical manipulation in general

Why do environmentalists hate the environment so much?

Instead of using GMOs to make farming more efficient, they want to cut down rainforests for more farmland so they can farm there inefficiently.

Instead of using clean nuclear power they want us to pollute a fuckton by mining rare earth metals for solar cells.

Are environmentalists literally retarded?

>>55886211

i eat organic

>>55886670
Golden rice is about solving vitamin A deficiency you mouthbreathing idiot

I realize I'm an idiot for asking this here but why is everyone talking about health risks? I thought the main complaint against GMOs was that they can potentially fuck up ecosystems, by escaping into the wild/cross-pollination and stuff like that.

>>55886748
Both are issues people are worried about

The problem with GM food is that they are actually used in conjunction with the strongest pesticides around for monetary reasons.

>>55886774
Are you talking about glyphosate?

>>55886793
I'm talking about your mum.

>>55886774
there are companies that try to create apples that don't turn brown when in oxygen, and generally improve the fruit. that's a cool thing

the ones that praise the Monsanto proceedings mostly just want to piss on hippies or they are shills for the company

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>>55886225
>It's just the most retarded European countries like France

Well we have quite the alter-globalization militant, which keep claiming how that stuff is bad, while also destroying anything related to GMO (even crops that were in a research center's greenhouse)

He even rallied some peasants, and dismantled a construction site for a mcdonalds.

>>55886826
Most such mods make the fruits shitty, tasteless (e.g. never matures and just starts rotting instead), and usuable for a variety of cooking tasks.

>>55886854
unusable*

>>55886837
At least you aren't German

>>55886899
Oh boy, you got that right.

http://www.thescoreesports.com/csgo/news/9383-eleague-pulled-by-german-tv-station-in-wake-of-munich-shootings

>>55886349
>I'll stick to real food.

Unless you have a time machine and regularly use it to procure foods from before the advent of agriculture, every single thing you have ever eaten has been genetically modified in some manner, either by selective breeding or more recently direct gene manipulation.

There is no such thing as "real" food.

>>55886557
edgy

>>55886947
Selective breeding's fine, it's direct gene manipulation that I'm avoiding at all costs.

>>55886974
Good luck with that. Nearly all produce has been directly modified, even the stuff labeled "organic" as there is no actual regulation behind the term.

Every banana you've ever eaten is a genetic clone. Same with avocados. Same with a lot of strawberries. Etc.

Food hipsters are the fucking greatest. Penn and teller has a whole episode just for food hippie fucks.

Being anti GMO is one of the biggest, most flagrant, head up your ass, first world problems examples of being a hippie out there.

>I have too much choice and everything is too good so I must be vocally selective about what I pretend to eat
Go Google "wild banana". See how shitty that is? But you have to eat it now, because you had to have it 100% natural, or nothing.

Anti GMO hipsters always on their own come up with the same fucking shitty pic of a needle being injected into an apple... These people are fucking worse than creationists. You don't know shit about how anything works and you've replaced all that instead with your fud scare tactics shit.

GMO hipsters are the worst because they bring their snob first world head up the ass attitude into the third world where those people CAN'T AFFORD to make that kind of toxic decision, and even when starving, won't accept the grain/food because it isn't up to their hipster standards, and then they die.

Yes, this all has actually happened. If you are anti GMO, you are a Luddite and a terrorist.

>>55887031
See >>55886541
I admit I do occasionally eat a GMOed product, but 99.9% of my food is entirely organic.

>>55887036
OK ahmed. Don't you have a goat to fuck?

>>55887056
>my food is entirely organic

But by who's standards? An "organic" label literally means nothing, it's a marketing term with absolutely zero legal weight behind it.

>>55887080
By the standard that I'm growing it myself with no pesticides or anything of the sort.

>>55887036
>Penn and Teller
Two meme comedians are valid sources? Next you're going to cite George Carlin.

>>55886613
i hope this is bait

>>55887056
90% of food being organic is still better than 10%.
because that 99.9% figure most certainly doesn't reflect reality.

>>55887119
It does tho

>>55887115

herbivores and their fucking GENE FOOD

>>55886692
>I'm against vaccines too.
kill yourself before you give polio to someone

I like the idea of GMOs but in practice they are unpredictable. Yes they can do good like we have seen with the creation of yellow rice but right now we have GMO corn being sold in the US that has a nutritional value far less than non-GMO corn. There just is not enough regulation on GMO foods as of now.

>>55887199
>implying I was able to object vaccines as a fucking infant
I've got the basics like chicken pox and polio, my children won't though.

>>55885581
>food/health/nutrition
I'M OUT BITCHES
HAVE FUN

>>55887249
enjoy having to deal with polio ridden children

>>55886724
This about a thousand times. If we listed to people who "care about the earth", we'd still be butt diddling the land like it was 1600. The ones who "saved the world" are scientists, with food technology. Is there any purified water on earth naturally? You might as well say that taking shit out of water is modifying nature and that you HAVE to drink everything that comes with it, and drinking 100% pure water is deadly.

If you are anti GMO, you're so, so fucked. Imagine being such a contrarian hipster, that you can't even do the most basic task of eating fucking lunch, or drink a glass of water. Instead suffer for decades whining about this made up mental disease of the entire world's food supply being "poisonous"... God, you fucking hipsters can't even make it past 11:30 on day one without pretending to have some shitty nothing problem.

>>55887268
Will do

>>55887249
poor children. why not give them the polio vaccine? scared they will get polio from it?

>>55887346
Worried about side effects of vaccines such as autism and sterilization

The problem with GMOs aren't that they are bad in themself, it's that fucking jewish companies that produce them (obviously talking about Monsanto) use them horribly. Instead of creating a resistant crop that would produce more food with less water, they just produce a crop that has as only special characteristic to be resistant to a certain type of pesticide which is produced by, guess who... Monsanto. As their fucking pesticide completely destroy the soil, farmers then can't grow anything else but monsanto crops and obviously, this crop is infertile, so they have to buy it again every year. Those crops are mainly used in Brazil and Africa, therefore it's safe to say that Monsanto is directly responsible for massive deforestation in Amazonia (because the soil becomes completely useless after being washed by their fucking stuff so they have to chop down trees to make more fields) and numerous famins in Africa, and they get away with it.
That's 99% of GMO market folks, and you wonder why GMOs get badmouthed. Well now you know.

>>55887360
>side effects
>that literally happen to no one
you are a danger to society, please check yourself into a mental hospital before you hurt someone

>>55887249
You're a complete asshole

>>55887382
>>that literally happen to no one
I've experienced it first hand, my 2nd cousin got autism from vaccinations.

>>55887385
I'm so sorry that I care about my childrens' health.

>>55887408
how is autism worse than polio
if you cared about their health you'd vaccinate them against a crippling illness instead of not doing that for the insanely remote chance that they MIGHT get autism

>>55887408
>my 2nd cousin got autism from vaccinations.

was it a quick change, before / after that one can easily notice? just wondering because most vaccinators say autism would have developed regardless and the vaccine didn't make a change

Do you make the same thread on every board?
With the same OP and pic

>>55887408
>my 2nd cousin is autistic and got vaccinations

fixed

>>55887408
>I'm so sorry that I care about my childrens' health.

Your concern is completely misguided. Not only are you putting your children at risk, you are also putting everyone else at risk. Anti-vaccers are literally indirectly killing people by allowing deadly diseases to persist. It should be strictly illegal.

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>>55885581

>>55887425
Sterilization's still an issue, I'd like to have grandkids someday.

>>55887434
I dunno, he's only a few years younger than me

>>55887442
>my 2nd cousin got autism from vaccinations
fixed

>>55887452
Yeah okay buddy
>It should be strictly illegal.
>everyone should be forced to pump their children with vaccines
What a horrible fucking concept.

>>55887469
>>Yeah okay buddy
>>It should be strictly illegal.
>>everyone should be forced to pump their children with vaccines
>What a horrible fucking concept.

Everyone SHOULD indeed be forced to save lives.

>>55885899
so much tinfoil

You guys can argue all day, but in the end richfags are going to continue to eat organic while everyone else i.e. poorfags increasingly have to make do with GMOs.

>>55887469
you act like getting a vaccination GIVES you autism and sterilizes you, 100% of the time

>>55887408
>my 2nd cousin is autistic and got vaccinations

fixed

>>55887469
So, what you mean to say is you heard from your uncle/aunt that your 2nd cousin got autism from vaccines.

>>55887490
Medical science shouldn't be forced on anybody. It's our right as human beings to not be pumped with bullshit

>>55887514
I act like there's a chance of it and I'd rather not risk it.

>>55887517
There was nothing to fix, my post was correct to begin with.

>>55887526
I've never met his parents.

>>55887500
all commercially available food is GMO
if you want true ""organic"" food, you have to go innawoods

>>55887541
So, you heard from someone that heard from someone that their kid got autism from vaccines.

>>55887541
>I act like there's a chance of it and I'd rather not risk it.
you have a much higher chance of getting in a car crash while being struck by lighting than getting autism from a vaccination

>>55887551
I heard from the kid that got autism from a vaccine that he got autism from a vaccine.

>>55887553
>you have a much higher chance of getting in a car crash while being struck by lighting than getting autism from a vaccination
>there's a ~50% chance you develop some sort of cancer in your lifetime
>since the chance of getting in a car crash is lower, car crashes don't happen
Great logic.

>>55887593
>>there's a ~50% chance you develop some sort of cancer in your lifetime

The very concept of cancer mean that you have it the moment you are conceived.

Whenever it stay in check, or goes out of control will depend of what you'll do in your lifetime.

>>55887634
>missing the point
You are beyond retarded

>>55886137
And the gas chambers in Auschwitz don't real?

>>55886214
Oh is all the GMO food imaginary?

>>55887668
You get exactly what I mean you pedantic piece of shit

>>55887647
>>missing the point

I did not miss the point, i just pointed out that using cancer as an argument is flawed if you consider it akin to a sickness or an accident.

>>55887593
How does he know he got autism from a vaccine?

>>55887731
Cancer was just an example, the argument is literally nothing more than
>X has a higher percentage of happening than Y so Y has a 0% chance of happening

>>55887739
He was informed by a medical professional.

that cartoon is a vile deceptive evil lie and non-sequitur, they don't feed it to 'the starving masses' they feed it to YOU AND ME

if they actually, in real life want to do that, they are welcome to, keep it the fuck off my plate. The reality is the same twisted globalist elites who want to feed us highly verisimiludinous pseudofoods are trying to engineer diseases to suppress third world population growth

I can almost feel the spittle coming from that artist misting on my face

>>55885829
It's not about gmos having health effects, it's about the shitty business practices involved with the industry.

>>55887787
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

does the food you eat affect your health?
does the genome of a food determine its nutrition?

so if you create a new product and call it a pharmaceutical it undergoes up to 10 years of double-blind clinical trials and scientific studies before it is approved, but if you create a new product and call it a food it can be approved in as little as 90 days with no requirement for scientific testing of the health effects

what's more ,saying that it ought to undergo such testing is prima-facie evidence of insanity

>>55887777
I'd like to see how that medical professional came to diagnose the cause of his autism.
>You got vaccinated as a kid?
>Yes
>There's your problem

I'm curious as to how people think GMOs will harm them.

>>55887855
I'd like to see proof that vaccinations cannot cause autism.

>>55885623
>This rice could save a million kids a year
Have we finally found a use for desktop threads?

>>55887777
Your hippie neighbor is not a medical professional.

>>55887868
I'd like to see proof they do. Maybe I should consult a medical professional.

>>55885829
it's not just damage to the people you have to worry about, but also the eco system, it could spur a new species into existance, could make certain pests far more widespread, or could kill off an important part of the foodchain thus causing some unforeseen disaster.

we could cure zika today, and even eradicate every known mosquito illness.

but for the listed reasons above, it's not going to happen... the power of the tech at our disposal makes nukes a fucking joke. hell, CISPR could've been what created zika in the first place.

>>55887895
I not only don't have a hippie neighbor but also never claimed he was.

>>55887794
This, and also "hurr let's make a pesticide resistant GMO so we can soak it with pesticides"

>>55887900
My cousin

>>55887902
If we could just remove mosquitos altogether, that wouldn't be a huge loss for the ecosystem.

>>55887902
Now this is something that makes sense. GMOs having unintended consequence. Not GMOs being bad for you to eat.

>>55885581
selective breeding = genetic modification = all food is GMO

The hatred for GMOs and that fact that paleo diets are a thing makes me believe that these filthy hipsters want to go back to living in caves throwing shit at each other.

>>55887924
When did your cousin consult this doctor?

>>55885762
>>55885828
>>55885899
>>55886172
>>55886670
>t. Alex Jones
Fuck off. Go battle reptilians somewhere else.

>>55887969
Literally all I can tell you is he got autism from a vaccine

>>55887988
No, you cannot.

>>55887982
what do you mean by "t."

>>55888003
Yes I can. Actually, I just did.

>>55888013
Doesn't mean it's true.

>>55887927
yeah, because they're not necessary for a massive ammount of species survival as their primary diet...

>>55887982
I don't know who the fuck Alex Jones is but I can definitely tell you that that's not my name.

>>55888025
You're right, it doesn't. It still is true though.

>>55887937
don't think GMOs were ever questioned as being bad to eat. only a scumbag would do something so foolish, then expect their seeds/clones to actually be sold.

fact that the media has spurred this as the debate for GMOs being legal makes it pretty obvious of ridiculously idiotic and easily swayed the masses are.

>>55888051
It's not true at all

>>55888037
yeah yeah, all action have consequences, and i'm ready to face those for removing those assholes.

>>55888082
Sure thing kid

>>55888037
this is sarcasm, really can't tell if people notice it anymore. considering how utterly moronic people generally are.

>>55887927
>wouldn't be a huge loss for the ecosystem.
that's so unnecessary. why remove something that's been in existance far longer than we ever were, risking unforeseen consequences. when we could simply remove the problems associated with their existance.

it's like murdering a dog that shits in a house, rather than simply training it to do its business outside.

fuck these genetic modifications are so powerful we might even use mosquitos as a dispersal method to inject us with a vaccine of some sort in the future.

>>55888092
>I'm ready to fuck over the environment because waaah a mosquito bit me

>>55888111
no longer having to risk doctors lives by going door to door to help clear out something like ebola.

can just release mosquitos modified to transmit some sort of wonder disease which doesn't harm us but provides immunity to ebola.

pretty far fetched, but possible.

>>55888093
It's impossible for a vaccine to cause Autism you colossal retard. It's about as real as "Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity."

>>55886020
>says he can eat bread in Europe, which bans GMOs, just fine
This could be true due to one of the other variables involved in bread making.

>>55888200
Let's see some proof, you fucking mongoloid. Your word's as good as mine.

You fucks haven't even mentioned Norman Borlaug who is directly responsible for saving over a billion people from starvation because of his research in GMOs.
THAT WAS IN THE SIXTIES. HE FUCKING SAVED ONE THIRD OF THE WORLDS POPULATION AND YOU ANTI GMO FUCKS CAN'T EVEN APPRECIATE THAT.

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>>55886562
This also applies to bovine, corn, and pigs.

>>55888111
>risking unforeseen consequences
the consequences of making mosquitos extinct would be mass ecological fallout. it would be a fucking global disaster.

>>55888148
>ebola.
mosquitos don't transmit ebola. i can't believe someone is this fucking dumb.

>>55888265
you make this sound like it's a good thing.

>>55885581
It's at the level of the discovery of agriculture, because we've been GMO'ing since we've been doing agriculture

>>55888263
>>55888263
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=9337911&fileId=S031716710000528X
even the fucking autism society doesn't believe in this shit: http://www.autism-society.org/what-is/causes/

>>55888263
Please explain what you think caused the autism in the vaccine.

>>55888312
Read the thread and you can find out

>>55888321
All you've been saying is "my cousin got autism from a vaccine". You never said anything about how exactly you think that occurred.

>>55886541
>I grow my own fruits and veggies and buy meat from local farms that don't use antibiotics or GMO crops for cattle food.
You are stupid. Those fruits and veggies were genetically modified through selective breeding centuries ago. Those animals from where your meat came from will literally not survive in the wild should you release one now because they were selectively bred to be eaten. Retard.

>>55888339
That's literally all I can tell you, you fucking retard. It's what I was told. It's not like I go to the doctor with him.

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>>55886739
"Organic" doesn't meant that they didn't use harmful pesticides shitto

>>55888360
Right. I'm the retard.

Stop posting.

>>55888284
>mosquitos don't transmit ebola. i can't believe someone is this fucking dumb
>misreading entirely what the post was saying
i know it's hard for the moronic to imagine hypothetic situations, but do you really feel the need to shitpost when you're so fucking dumb?

>global distaster
doubtful. they don't actually do much other than spread disease and give bats/dragonflies a quarter of their diet.

>>55888349
>Those fruits and veggies were genetically modified through selective breeding centuries ago. Those animals from where your meat came from will literally not survive in the wild should you release one now because they were selectively bred to be eaten
I've already stated I'm perfectly fine with selective breeding, you fucking dipshit. It's direct genetic modification I'm avoiding.

>>55886599
Sweden is building more nuclear power plants right now because there isn't a date on when they all have to be gone.
They need more energy.

>>55888349
Chances are that the strains he is growing are GMO anyway.

>>55888349
just let him believe that his "grass fed beef" is completely 100% natural. it's ultimately pointless to try to convince these people. just look at this dipshit: >>55888360. he asks for proof, he gets proof, and he says NOPE IT WAS THE VACCINE.

>>55886434
>playing god.
medicine is playing god
every modern convenience is us playing god
You are a fucking hypocrite because you are currently posting on an Indonesian Child Rearing forum which was made possible by humans playing gods with the elements, harnessing natural processes and bending it to do unnatural things, such as shitposting

>>55888369

>Organic crops are grown without chemical pesticides or fertilizers and organic livestock are raised without antibiotics, growth hormones or other drugs.

https://www.organicconsumers.org/organlink

"SOMETHING UNKNOWN MUST AUTOMATICALLY BE BAD!"
-anti technology shits circa 1700

now what do we have: more food than we can ever eat, no disease, no entire countries going under because their food crop had a preventable famine

"EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN PERFECT EVERY TIME FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS, NEW FOOD WILL BE BAD!"
-gmo shits, today.

new technology is tested, then they pick out the gem from the failures, then humanity grows.

/g/ is for "technology" just like environmentalists are "for the environment", they don't do shit but just whine and complain that something's new. Oh no, we must stand outside of wal-mart and complain because the bananas are too good.

This shit is just like anti-vaxxers, they've spent their entire lives always having had the benefits and they never knew a time without it and then you see disneyland shit because modern hipster trends to refuse things that work take precedence over common sense and you're living in this weird parallel universe where everyone is not accepting the new technology and you've had the biggest measles outbreak in over 6 decades.

You aren't really anti-GMO by whining about it in the first world and eating "organic" food which by your own made up definitions is just slightly less modified. Go grow unmodified wild shit and eat that garbage, you aren't clever or smart, this is literally just contrarianism's worst form.

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>>55888398
Selective breeding IS a form of genetic modification dipshit REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>55888273
they're hoping to strip pigs of the diseases associated with failed transplants.
>there will be thousands of people with pig organs in the future

it's so close. doctors are already claiming they can do it. but they have too many walls to break before being allowed to, for reasons already mentioned in this thread.

>>55888375
>talking about mosquitos
>brings up ebola and "something like ebola" and door to door doctors when talking about mosquitos
>thinks ebola is something easy to immunize
>thinks mosquitos aren't that important in the foodchain
>probably thinks wasps aren't important either because he saw some epic meme image on the internet
>calls others morons

>>55888398
Because of?

>>55888405
I was told he got autism, never really believed it though. It's been a fun argument though. Rest assured my children will be vaccinated. I was just seeing how long it'd take for you guys to actually disprove me instead of shitflinging. Only took what? An hour and a half?

>>55888411
https://risk-monger.blogactiv.eu/2015/11/12/the-risk-mongers-dirty-dozen-12-highly-toxic-pesticides-approved-for-use-in-organic-farming/

Just because something is organic doesn't mean that it's not harmful you dip

Some other harmful organic things: Arsenic, Uranium, asbestos, deadly nightshade.

>>55888429
No fucking shit, you goddamned retard.

>>55888441
Because it's been time tested. GMOs are too new for me to trust receiving nutrition from.

>>55888444
i've been posting in this thread for maybe 10 minutes.
can't believe you've been here since the beginning and fucking no one linked you anything.

although i guess it's probably too much to ask for research citations in 4chan arguments.

>>55888429
and radioactive color is a form of glow-in-the-dark. you GMO shills always have to equate the injection of bacteria into plants to defend your frankenfood. Equating all forms is ignorant.

>>55888438
If we can also get rid of asian wasp, the world will be a better place.

>>55888438
>what does far fetched mean
for $20

the post was merely pointing out the power of these new genetic modifications humanity can now implement

>>55888493
genetic modification won't immunize against ebola unless you were to make ebola extinct in the wild and for some reason decided to replace it with a harmless variant.

virii aren't mosquitos. you can't kill them in mass numbers like that.

>>55885942
[Citation needed]

>>55888468
That makes no sense. You realize the result is the same, right? How do you think a GMO could hurt you?

>>55888530
muh roundup ready poison flouride chemtrails

>>55888530
Oh yeah, choosing which plants to breed is the exact same thing as directly modifying genes

>>55885899
I DON'T LIKE 'EM PUTTIN' CHEMICALS IN THE WATER THAT TURN THE FRIGGIN FROGS GAY

>>55888522
HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION
was saying how mosquitos could possibly be useful and used something that will likely never happen for stupid people like you to imagine how useful they could one day become, thanks to genetic modifications.

stop baiting me, i already came twice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M35oAmZbm9g

>>55888548
Basically, yes. The end result is the same, a modified genome.

>>55888548
>Oh yeah, choosing which plants to breed is the exact same thing as directly modifying genes
he didn't say it was exactly the same thing. he said the results are the same, and that is true.

the results of selective breeding for color in a plant and simply genetically modifying a plant to produce that color are the same. the only reason you would consider genetic modification a problem is if you take issue with humans "playing god."

>>55888577
...you were arguing for mass immunization using mosquitos as a vector?

>>55888593
>>55888586
Yeah, sure thing. Well I'll let you be the beta tester for that.

>>55888586

>all modification is the same

in that case, there isn't even selective breeding, it is just living. Living creatures change their genome all the time.

>>55888605
There is some truth to that, yea.

>>55888605
selective breeding is referring to the process humans undertake with animals and plants.

and again, no, the modification process is not the same, but the result is.

i don't understand why you rail against genetic modification done in a laboratory but not genetic modification done on a farm. is it because of the whole infertile seeds and royalty system Monsanto implements? is it because of some conspiracy theory where you think the gene to synthesize some harmful substance is being inserted into GMO crops?

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>>55885581
Probably not, learn from drugs.

Drugs humans found by accident are advisable.
Prominent examples:
>Cannabis
>Some idiot once burnt it and learned about its effects

>Shrooms
>Some idiot once harvested them and learned about the good and bad effects

>Cocaine
>Some idiot started chewing the leaves of the plant and noticed something happening to him

>LSD
>Found in a lab by accident, it's said to be the most easy to handle of all the acids

Now the bad ones:

>All acids that try to be LSD, like nbomes or "LSD p1", which isn't LSD at all
>They are known to fuck up people with them noticing way too late

>Speed
>Invented with the purpose in mind to stimulate

>Meth
>same as above

I'd say we have to learn from this.
Food we found in nature is good to go.
Food we try to fiddle with to have some effect we wish to see is probably not that good of an idea.

By the way: You are welcome if I saved your life or sanity.
I wish somebody in my sorroundings would've known this when I was new to it, but they didn't. I had to learn the hard way.
But at least I learned, most of them others are still fools.

>>55887877

Severely underrated.

>>55888648
>and again, no, the modification process is not the same, but the result is.

the result is not exactly the same. In selective breeding you can change how much the existing genes are expressed, with genetic engineering the end result of some enzyme blocking component is possible.

http://www.nature.com/nrg/multimedia/rnai/animation/index.html

>>55888677
>with genetic engineering the end result of some enzyme blocking component is possible.
not always true.
>the result is not exactly the same
is the phenotype the same?
then the end result is the same.

>>55888670
>muh "natural" drugs are better
hope you synthesize your own aspirin then.
and never take any medications from a doctor or during a hospital stay.

>>55888593
>...you were arguing for mass immunization using mosquitos as a vector?
no -.-
are you even capable of coherently imagining simple hypotheticals? i fail to see how what was written was complex or how you could be confused on the conveyed message.

>>55888706
>is the phenotype the same?
>then the end result is the same.

depends if you look at the phenotype on the molecular level, same colors could still be accomplished with different chemical compounds

and no not all GMO have to be like that, but there are more possibilities here, which in turn means higher risk

>>55886149
Doesn't matter when EU countries import the harvested food from somewhere where it isn't illegalized.

Have fun drinking your soy milk, because that shit from ALDI, LIDL etc. is already genetically modified.

>>55888724
you said:
>no longer having to risk doctors lives by going door to door to help clear out something like ebola.
indicating that you think doctors go door to door in africa to treat diseases like ebola, which is comically wrong.
>can just release mosquitos modified to transmit some sort of wonder disease which doesn't harm us but provides immunity to ebola.
indicating that you think it's within the realm of possibility to engineer some harmless disease that confers immunity to ebola. i suspect you are basing this off of sickle-cell anemia providing some resistance to malaria.

>>55888724
You must be 18 or older to browse this site.

>>55885828
>______ reporting in
>>>/reddit/

>>55888720
butthurt speedfag detected

owait, I see you constantly

>>55885623
>>55885581
GMOs are fine on a health basis

the problem is GMO patents and licensing

>>55888738
>depends if you look at the phenotype on the molecular level, same colors could still be accomplished with different chemical compounds
sure, and possibly those compounds could be harmful to humans. fortunately food has to be run through a gamut of testing before it is ever available for consumption, so something like toxic cobalt based pigments in crops are avoided.
>>and no not all GMO have to be like that, but there are more possibilities here, which in turn means higher risk
i guess so. it doesn't matter though because of what i said above.

>>55888010
go home

gmos aren't evil, but monsanto is.

>>55888777
>skipping over the most important part of the message
>far fetched
the bait is unreal.

>>55888834
far-fetched and "literally so fucking implausible that i'm dumbfounded someone thought it would be a good example" are not the same.

>>55888817
There are other issues to take into account, though: is the crop actually producing similar nutriments, for example? It's like with microwaves. That shit was hyped up to shit and received extensive testing too. Doesn't change the fact it fucks food up so bad you might as well just not eat anything half the time.

>>55888877
>microwave
>Doesn't change the fact it fucks food up so bad you might as well just not eat anything half the time.
are you being serious?

>>55888312
I researched the vaccine causes Autism idea a while back. EVERYTHING that the anti vaxxers argued was either reasonably explainable or bullshit EXCEPT that Bush classified some research documents about the connection between vaccines and Autism.

>>55887362
/thread

>>55888855
those gets. fuck you.

you'd think being able to engineer their genes to fight off a host of contractable diseases is pretty far fetched.
fact that you think a diseases can't be tweaked and spread to cause immunity (just like every fucking vaccine today..) and being dumbfounded by the thought... idek what to call it other than bait.

would you really want to risk your life as a doctor with exposure, when you could use a proxy like a bug to administer the cure/immunity instead?

the whole point of my message was to keep mosquitos alive for the sake of their possible usefulness in the foreseeable near future.

>>55888720
>LSD
>natural
OK kid

>>55888895
See Journal of Science of Food and Agriculture (November 2003) or a hundred other papers I can't be arsed to source up for inbreds like yourself.

>>55888936
>thinks diseases are easy to immunize against and can be ordered up on demand
>thinks it would be a serious risk to vaccinate people against ebola even if there was a vaccine, indicating no understanding of how vaccines work
>thinks it would be economically feasible to load up billions of mosquitoes with said vaccine instead of just doing it the traditional way
i think i'm the one being baited now.

>>55888976
burden of proof is on you buddy.

>>55888999
>post proof
>"burden of proof is on you"
And that's why I'm not doing the work for inbreds.

>>55889035
some physical journal i can't easily access and dubious claims of other sources is not a source.

>>55886060
The majority of the world has negative opinions on jews. White people ironically are the only ones who feel sorry and thus get used like good goyem by jews. >>55886071

>>55886172
>He thinks earth is overpopulated
A sweet meme straight out of 2009

>>55887653
The gas chambers with doors that had leaks and were unsealed that drafts past through them? Those germans would have been smart to keep those foors sealed so THEY themselves would get gased. Kid those were real showers. Jews were pows not genocided.

>>55889046
>source is not source
>google doesn't real either
>waaaaah why don't you spoonfeed people with an IQ in the single digits???

>>55888877
>Doesn't change the fact it fucks food up so bad you might as well just not eat anything half the time.
How do microwaves work?

>>55889191
Pew pew the food with the laser canon and watch as the nutriments melt away. But hey, you get a hot husk in exchange!

>>55889225
kek

I only eat rice, chicken and milk. Arsenic and carcinogens are significantly more concerning to me than what the government may or may not be putting in it and those still won't stop me from eating it.

Go cry about chemtrails, you delusional nuts

>>55889303
>I only eat rice, chicken and milk.
Remind me to never go to your house.

>>55889303
Enjoy your bird flu and mad chicken disease.

>>55888445
How the fuck is Uranium organic? It even disobeys the chemical definition

>>55889489
I meant natural
But uranium still is organic as it relates to organic matter
"organic" doesn't mean shit

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/scientists-find-bacteria-thrive-uranium/

>>55889510
Organic means contains a C somewhere.

You just made me realize that you could make a gmo that generates a human vaccine somehow.

>>55889537
Depends if you're using the scientific definition or the "whatever goes man" definition that "organic farms" use.

> /g/ talking about things it doesn't understand
tfw i have genetically modified organisms in labs
tfw /g/ doesn't even know _why_ gene insertion is a bad thing

>>55889723
>/g/ - Biology

>>55889723
Well then tell us, newfag

>>55888360
>I believe whatever I'm told
sounds about right

>>55889837
See >>55888444

>>55889723
It isn't bad.

>>55889918
Sure thing kid.

>>55886664
> playing god

This pisses me off too. Especially because those same dumbasses often argue the "conception to natural end" nonsense while keeping their elderly relatives alive with artificial machines and medications.

Humans are the closest thing to a god. We can do whatever we damn well please to this planet.

>>55886670
> implying out-of-control population isn't due to fundamentalists refusing to let people use contraceptives

Solving starvation is a step in the right direction of regional stability. We need to immediately follow it up with stuff like education, contraceptives, medicine, etc.

>>55886724
> implying mining uranium isn't just as bad

I agree with you on everything else, though. Recycling needs to get better.

>>55888480
You are fucking retarded with your equally retarded """"""""""""""""""""""""""analogies"""""""""""""""""""""

>>55887249
I hope to god you're trolling.

I'm going to assume you're trolling so I don't stroke out when you inevitably respond with "I'm not trolling"

>>55887362
> salting the fucking earth to extort poor countries
> taking a product that could be used to establish stability in poor regions and turning it into a weapon to hold stability ransom and prevent any foothold

My god, and I only hated them for the intellectual property bullshit they were doing. Fucking corporate terrorists.

>>55890145
He is an autism suvivor protecting his children from the same fate. wtf is wrong with that?

Well, since GMO is proprietary, we sould not even try eating it.

>>55889571
the press once hyped this, even:

http://www.jyi.org/issue/banana-vaccines-a-conversation-with-dr-charles-arntzen/

apparently, the first plant with medicinal properties was approved in 2012 according to this:
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-05/first-plant-derived-biologic-drug-approved-human-use-fda

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>>55888468

>>55888810
>>55888810
>>55888810
>the problem is GMO patents and licensing

>>55889951
Prove it then, retard.

>>55888985
too far fetched to believe
>ends up believing it
lawl. the autism is real

>>55888810
You can use the seeds and crops FOR FREE amywhere in the world unless you own a big farm. There is literally no issue whatsoever and everyone who opposes this should be hanged.

>>55890145
what's supposed to be trolling?

>>55890582
>There is literally no issue whatsoever

breeding resistancy to the natural insecticide

>>55890626
Nothing can be done about that. Whether we spray the shit with DDT or make them produce BT toxin is irrelevant.

The only thing that would stop that would be moving to large, sterile hydroponic greenhouses.

>>55885899
This is like the "if we circumcise our kids in America they won't masturbate and be sinful degenerates!". I eat GMOs all the time, I'm circumcised, and I'm still a angry violent retard who jerks off 3 times a day. If the goal was to pacify me, it hasn't worked.

>>55885623
What the fuck from 2000

>>55885581
Yes but it's a discovery more than an invention.

>>55886020
Isn't the problem with GMOs that they're made resistant to pesticide and retard farmers use then use so much pesticide that it gets absorbed into the crop itself?

>>55885623
>but protesters believe such genetically modified foods are bad for us and our planet

Isn't that the complete opposite, though? Wouldn't GMO be good for our immune system?

>>55887868
>Immune system target practice made up of inert viral shells cause autism
>They don't even have live viruses

If the polio and common cold vaccines gave you autism, then the actual diseases would to.

If big pharma was putting mercuryvor some shit in the syringes, we would know idiot.

>>55891371
Of course, since it can (and is) be manipulated to make us healthier

But the current leftists are worse than religious bigots from decades ago. They are against any new technology and improvement (other than their iphones) because "it's not natural!!! it has chemicalssss!!!".

>>55886172
Honestly, having children starve to death isn't a reasonable method of reducing overpopulation. It isn't effective either since the starvation issue doesn't extend itself to the entire globe (people with access to the minimum amount of resources will just keep breading regardless of anything.)

>>55885581
>>55885623

the problem with GMOs is that they are patented, if a GMO field polinizes my crops i can go bankrupt

GMO crops are supposed not to polinize non-GMO crops, however in the real world it doesn't always work, so you may have things like mutated hybrid (and useless cause mutation= dangerous) crops replacing normal farmers crops, which makes them lose money and potentially die cause this normal farmers are usually poor low classes of 3rld world countries

You people need to stop discussing what the magazines tell you to discuss and dig a little deeper, this whole thread is a useless mental jacking off of people that don't understand shit

>>55890582
1) Not anywhere in the world
2) "Big farm" is a lose term that changes jurisdiction from jurisdiction
3) "Big farm" v.s Monsanto is like having an ant fight an elephant

And in any case is still creates a monopoly due to neighboring farms and polinization. GMO genetics are usually not recessive, which means i can't cross my own fucking crops cause i don't know if any of them is actually GMO.

This can lead to

a) I now can't cross my own fucking crops and have to buy new bunch of seeds every time, which completely fucks up what farming is, as i can't raise my product to be better generation after generation, all i can do is buy a whole fuck lot of seeds every season and pray they are as good as the last bunch or the quality of my products will decrease

b) I have to gamble my whole farm by crossing my own crops and risking some faggot vulture lawyer doing genetic tests on my crops and finding traces of GMO and suing the fuck out of me

>>55889115
>not knowing that population scientists' current estimate is 9-10 billion people
>not knowing that we will reach that number in anywhere between 2-4 years

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>>55888468
how can people read 1984 and not remember what the fuck double think is in their daily lives?

>>55885581
yes goyim