tell me why debian is bad and recommend me a better distro, its

Does it do what you need to do? You cant point to any disadvantages of it? Then why are you even trying other distros?

>>55827030
>too fucking easy, too bloated
Wow, debqueen. Did you learn to install plebian last week? What is ubuntu mini? haha
>Possibly botnet
Debian is possibly botnet as well
>PPA doesn't work
SOUR-GRAPE syndrome

>Breaks too much
Debian is broken ootb
>Community sucks
Any community is better than pajeet/SJW community. How are your anti-harassment laws coming along?

>bloat
Again, you are implying default debian isn't full of bloat

>packages are tested unlike arch
Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

Absolutely 0/10

>>55827030
my only issue with Debian is that nonfree firmware is not included, which makes initial setup more confusing

>>55827030
Fedora is pretty good, in spite of the irrational hate it gets on /g/.

>>55827107
>Wow, debqueen. Did you learn to install plebian last week? What is ubuntu mini? haha

ubuntu stopped amazon spying by default, but its still there, just disabled unless you explicitly enable it

>Debian is possibly botnet as well
debian is composed entirely of FLOSS, meaning all the code for it and every single package within can be reviewed, so there goes the possibility of a debian botnet

>SOUR-GRAPE syndrome
possibly

>Debian is broken ootb
how is it broken out the box?

>Any community is better than pajeet/SJW community. How are your anti-harassment laws coming along?
debian isnt a fucking sjw community

>Again, you are implying default debian isn't full of bloat
referring to things that literally serve no meaningful purpose (e.g. flash player in mint, amazon spying in ubuntu)

>Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
manjaro holds packages back for testing and uses its own repositories, not arch's, how the fuck can you not comprehend this?

>>55827030
>tell me why debian is bad
It isn't.

>>55827118
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

>>55827030
Debian isn't bad, just kind of niche. I use Debian for servers, Mint for desktop/laptop. I agree that Mint is easy, but you can always activate root and administer it like Debian, but with more readily available packages and support for more hardware.

Activate root:
sudo passwd

Seriously, that's it. You just have to give it a password.

>>55827107
How the fuck did you break Debian out of the box? Seriously, I'd like to know. I've used Debian Stable on and off for the last 10 years, and it's always been a fucking mountain - solid, nigh indestructible.

>>55827118
Try Debian non-free. It's still not as new of firmware as, say, Ubuntu, but it does support quite a bit out of the box. I've had mixed results with unusual wifi cards, but you know as soon as you boot live.

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/

>>55827153
I've used Fedora on and off for the last 10 years (also). I like the industrial aspects, networking, security, etc, but I favor Debian based distros. I just like apt over yum/dnf. Tends to be a bit behind on less commercially applicable software, but still more up to date than Debian. I actually just left it for Mint very recently; just decided to give Mint a try, and found it likable for normal use, so stayed.

>>55827030
You should get a job, neet loser

>>55827280
>Conveniently ignoring ubuntu mini
Well, you tried, from the very beginning

>Debian is entirely FLOSS
Yeah, FLOSS botnet that comes with GNOME social media plugin

>Possibly
Completely*

>How is it broken ootb
Try running Debian stable in a 2016 Laptop

>Debian isn't SJW community
https://wiki.debian.org/AntiHarassment

>Flash player in mint
>Implying you were talking about Mint
>Implying Mint isn't a debian derivate as well
>Implying amazon spying still exists
>Implying Ubuntu mini doesn't exist

>manjaro holds packages back for testing and uses its own repositories
That's not called testing

>>55827352
>(Most of these readings are targeted at sexism, but just pretend you are reading about ethnic minorities, disabled people, whatever group under-represented in Debian, and voilà! It still works!)
>The Male Programmer Privilege Checklist
>On privilege and what we can do about it

Kek. It's obvious that the Debian community doesn't give a fuck about SJWs, they just want to get rid of complaints.

>>55827352

>Yeah, FLOSS botnet that comes with GNOME social media plugin
>Running GNOME
One of a whole list of reasons I don't run GNOME anymore.

>Try running Debian stable in a 2016 Laptop
Runs great. I never had a problem. Desktop PCIe wifi had problems. Debian non-free worked great for that.

>https://wiki.debian.org/AntiHarassment
Debian is THE SJW distro, after all. I don't agree with their philosophy, but they've put together some nice software that does exactly what I want/need.

Otherwise, I agree with much of what you're saying.

>>55827410
>Kek. It's obvious that the Debian community doesn't give a fuck about SJWs, they just want to get rid of complaints.
Isn't that like 9/10 parts of being an SJW?

>>55827427
It's not like they're enforcing or pushing any of that SJW shit. It's just a wiki page no one reads, except for the manchildren on /g/.

>>55827280
>debian isnt a fucking sjw community
depending on what you say on the irc channel, you might be kicked with "shitlord" as reason, let alone the mansplaining articles in the wiki.

im a debian user for the same reason as yours though, centos seems like an alternative but its repository is so fucking small it hurts.

>>55827448
Exactly, which is why I use it for my server. I love the distro, it's quite solid, especially when properly administered. It's like pure socialism or communism: a nice idea, "perfect" "utopia", but, that's not how the world works. I respect them for wanting something like that, but I don't respect their beliefs directly.

>>55827030
>Gentoo
Been using it for years and is a breeze to maintain

>>55827842
Do you have aspergers?

>>55827881
I love asparagus!

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>>55827895
Oops, forgot picture.

It's perfectly average. Most problem you find with debian apply to every package-managing binary distro ever except the "old = stable" fallacy. That only applies to some of them.

And, for being a fallacy, it's not necessarily wrong all the fucking time.

>>55827107
>what is ubuntu mini hahaha
What is trying to remain compatible with two inits at once

>>55827030

Sounds like you need to learn how to fix things you fucking lazy piece of shit. If that is too hard then maybe you should go back to Windows.

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>>55827030
there is none, Debian is the best variant of GNU in the world, Ubuntu can't come close to the power and richness and security of this OS.

>>55827427
>muh SJWS!!!!!
Who the fuck literally cares, as long as the developers don't literally censor me (which they won't) then I will continue to use their superior OS and software, I can even use it completely without SystemD perfectly with zero issues, Debian is THE universal Operating System (meant to be netinstalled) once people realise the power and absolute beauty of Debian then they can come over and be as comfy as possible.

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>>55827030
Fedora stills wins you dumb-dumbs.

Enjoy your unsupported and unproductive piece of shits distros.

>>55830101
>can't remove SystemD
>GNOME
>RPM
yeah no I'll stick with based Debian running no SystemD and no GNOME cancer

>>55830114
These won't change your shitty bloated distro :^>

>>55830237
>bloat
kek, I have less than 700 packages faggot, Debian isn't meant to be prebundled with shitty DEs, it's meant to be netinstalled which by default has less than 400 packages.
"bloat"

>>55830273
Debian isn't meant to be used as a Desktop Os, peasant.

Also these are still bloat and spyware shit. You cannot hide.

>>55830312
there is literally 0 spyware in it, it is 100% free software and has been audited countless times, and alas 0 spyware.
Debian is great for servers and desktops, I compile most if not all my packages and rarely ever use a package manager so all my software is '''bleeding edge''' it has better performance and is much comfier to me than any other distro on a desktop ever, it is the universal OS, meaning it is meant to run on everything, hell if I could install it on my toaster or fridge I would.

>>55830312
Heres the good thing about FOSS if it has something you don't like you can remove it.

REMOVE IT.

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>>55827030
It's like you recite all /g/ meme but you didn't take time to actually try them.
This, or you're mid-good at pretending you're retard to troll on the internet. 6/10

>>55827352
>Debian isn't SJW community
https://wiki.debian.org/AntiHarassment

As long as their packages dont fuck my system up I really couldn't give a fuck about their sexuality, gender identification, race or anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0

>>55830367
> he believes that he is free from digital slavery with Debian


You can only save yourself with Gentoo, period.

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Enjoy your ancient packages

>>55830447
>using a package manager

>>55827107
>anti-harassment laws
Fucking SJW. They come out of nowhere in your github repo, submit an issue or pull request saying something like
>Your project don't seem to have a code of conduct. You should really use my rules and mention me for making your project [insert the last meme from tunmblr] friendly.

This, and them correcting typos in comments, and replacing the "he" "him" and so on and calling themselves "core developers"

>>55830419
literally this

>>55827118
>just fucking use ethernet
>the installer literally tells you the exact package to install to get your wifi working after the install

>>55827341
>mint
>support for more hardware

in some ways, sure. but Debian supports more CPU architectures than any other Linux distro except for possibly Gentoo

>>55827352
>GNOME social media plugin
it boggles my mind that theres people who use debian but dont use the Net Installer

>>55830510
or just use the non-free ISO's they provide in the first place

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

>>55827352
>Try running Debian stable in a 2016 Laptop
Wow, you are retarded as fuck

>>55830447
Who cares, they all get security updates
And if you do happen to care, just fucking use Testing

>>55830536
I tried the non-free-firmware-including installer once 4 years ago and it didnt work

I also have no issue with just using fucking ethernet for the install

>>55830573
>not compiling from souce

>>55830543
Seems like you have no idea what you are talking about

>>55827030
>pain in the ass to install and maintain
Install, yes. Maintain, no. Maybe update world once a year (several days of assfucking but nothing is perfect).
It's the least maintain-costly distribution out there. And nothing breaks as you pointed out. Installation is horrendous though.

>>55830770
>why doesnt an OS released 2 years ago not fully support hardware released in the past 6 months

hurr durr

>>55827030
>>too fucking easy
>easy is bad

>>55830977
>hardware released in the past 6 months has completely changed standards, architectures and paradigms

>>55831014
Seems like you have no idea what you are talking about

>>55827030
>too easy
>wastes cpu cycles unobservable by modern science
>muh kilobytes of disk space
top cuck

>>55827030
>too fucking easy,
How many of you have this mindset?

>>55827030
Because even stable is unusably buggy and wanting even just a single package from unstable you have to update the entire distro. It's also impossible to remove systemd without significantly gimping the system because there are no functional polkit/ckit builds, for example.
Not to mention apt-get is nothing short of a joke, and despite deb packages being the most popular format, arch still has significantly more real packages (where package-doc package-src libpackage and package should be counting as a single package, not 4).

Install Gentoo.

>>55827030
>manjaro and arch
>breaks
Maybe once a half year on unstable repos at best. Meanwhile you can break debian by just typing sudo apt-get autoremove

>>55827341
>just kind of niche
>Debian
>niche
Literally the most used distro in the enterprise

>>55827030
>>too fucking easy
>somehow a downside
I'll never understand this

Only right answer is Fedora
>uncucked by proprietary bloat
>sane release cycle insync with gnome and professional red hat cycles
>rolling release and stable at the same time
>dnf is far more superior than apt and has a huge open source library
>vanilla gnome environment experience (compare with Nexus android vs touchjizz and chinkphone android)
>>55835870

it's old. installer looks like it's from the 90's

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works on my machine

>>55836050
>shadow under the panel
Are you using compton?
It looks nice

>icons on the desktop
What manages your desktop?
Thunar, pcmanfm or something else?

>1280x800
Debian on a MacBook?
Does it work good?

Comfy setup

>>55836398
Install Gentoo

>>55836398
I don't know. It was just like that when i installed it.

>>55836763
Sorry, just noticed you use strech and not jessie, therefore the newer XFCE

>>55836814
It's working pretty good except i can't figure out how to adjust the volume and the NetworkManager program has become complete shit so i disabled it and installed wicd-gtk.

Other than that it seems pretty solid.

>>55836867
Install pavucontrol and then add it to your panel(Should be called "PulseAudio Plugin" or something like that)

>>55836899
i have that already but when i use it says it can't connect to pulse audio.

sound is working fine just can't adjust it.

>>55827030
>breaks too much

Where does this fucking meme come from? I've used Arch for a year now and nothing has "broken". I am convinced that the people who say this have never even used Arch.

>>55836398
Oh and to answer your other questions it's a Dell D630 and the desktop manager is whatever xfce4 gives by default, Xf4wm i guess...

If you can't get Debian to do with Linux is doing, then you just shouldn't be using Linux in the first place.

>>55836867
>adjust the volume
install gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio
start xfce audio mixer
select for sound card "playback: built-in audio analog stereo (pulseaudio mixer)" or something similar
now your volume keys or the volume apple on the xfce panel should work

Hope I helped

notice how no one has an actual problem with fedora in practical use. that's why you never see people talking about it. it's not a shitstorm like arch to get it to work and its install is very easy.

I think why no one talks about fedora ever is because it's boring and doesn't have anything that needs to be fixed. i really think majority of people on /g/ want a distro that doesn't work out the box because like a beat up car they can then fix it up and say "see how i made this piece of shit look better than how i found it."

>>55837015

Package gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio is not available, but is referred to by another package.

:(

>>55837044
Free beta-testers for RedHat.

>>55827030

Fedora at work, Debian at home.

>>55837093
>2k16
>Fedora for desktop
Lol'd

>>55837059
My advice is for Jessie

Run

aptitude search gstreamer | grep -i pulse

and tell me what it prints or improvise

>>55837143
gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio - GStreamer plugin for PulseAudio
pulseaudio - PulseAudio sound server

>>55827030
i hear deepin is good, although it is made by chinks

I know you're beyond redemption OP, but for any linux newcomers in this thread, be aware for the shitberg mentality right there.

>too fucking easy

This disappears about 12 hours into your first actual job when your time suddenly has value. Or you can spend decades butt diddling on IRC trying to impress other internet losers... except don't you know they will just hate you more if you actually copy what they're doing or even do it better (worse) ?

If you actually think like this just go full autist and go straight for arch / void / gentoo / slackware so you can be jerking off in a super duper high class IRC in 15 years when the alpha generation (that's actually what it's being called) are producing their first 18 year old business owners while your dick has been jacked dry

>>55837176

aptitude -s install gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio

Then -s means it will simulate the installation and it will not actually install the packages

If it doesn't pull many dependencies (hopefully it doesn't pull any) proceed with the install by removing the -s and hopefully this will fix things

Or XFCE 4.12 may need a different trick than XFCE 4.10 to work

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>>55837285
it didn't pull any other dependencies and installed fine but i cannot find the xfce audio mixer thing, All i can find is pulse audio volume control. which gives me pic related.

>>55837332
Looks like pulseaudio isn't running

Check if it's installed with:

aptitude show pulseaudio | grep -i state

If it isn't installed maybe you should install it (or not, you can have working sound without pulseaudio, it just needs more tweaks which I hate)

If it's installed maybe it crashed, check if pulseaudio is working with

ps -A | grep -i pulse

and if it's nowhere to be found then start it with the command the error is suggesting

start-pulseaudio-x11

And that's all, I can help you with, but you are close to the solution

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>>55837332
>>55837465
btw that's the audio mixer in XFCE 4.10

The selected sound card is the card you control with the volume keys or the applet

I'm not sure if they have removed it in XFCE 4.12

>>55837465
I don't have aptitude so i ran systemctl list-units but it's not found.

start-pulseaduio-x11 is not a valid command for me.

tried to start it with systemctl start but it couldn't find anything to start.

that grep command returned nothing as well.

>>55827153
m'lady

>>55837572
It looks like you don't have pulseaudio installed, install it

And install aptitude man, it's awesome, much better than apt-get or apt

The ncurses-like interface that aptitude offers is wonderful and allows you to explore the packages, descriptions, and dependencies without having to search things online

>>55837623
Laptop is charging now I will try is later
Thanks anon

>>55827030
I use Kubuntu. KDE is always smooth and beautiful on my tiny 4GB of RAM. I have KDE connect and get notifications from my phone right on my desktop. I'm on a Macbook air and I'm getting better battery than I ever have with OS X or Arch. Good themes. Nice, friendly community. Everything just works without missing a beat. I've never been happier. To my knowledge the buntu botnet is only in Unity.

>too easy
Why do you want it to be hard? I'd rather use an easy distro and DE so I can spend more time getting work done.

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so i feel like this is the right place to ask: my desktop is running mint right now and it can basically do everything i need it to, even play all the linux games from steam and gog, i also have a separate ssd lying around where i have installed windows10 for non-linux games and possibly other programs in case i ever need it.
so my question is, are there other distros which work with games right out of the box? im specifically interested in the upcoming lubuntu with the new gui, will everthing works right out of the boy or will i have to install non-free stuff myself for games to work? steam on mint seems to install some stuff automatically, will that work wit lubuntu? if not lubuntu, are there any other distros who are fit for gaming? i dont want ubuntu because of the amazon-botnet (question, does lubuntu have the amazon problem too?)

>>55837623
yep that was it, i installed it now everything works.

>>55827030
I don't know about the community, but Arch is more stable than people think. It's my main OS since months and it never broke.