/hpg/ - Headphone General

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>>55761543
Anime isn't real kiddo

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>>55761576
>inafter

Hey, looking for some advice:

>Budget
up to £200, but I could go higher
>Location
UK
>Source
Mobile, no amp and no DAC
>Preferred type of headphone
Looking for some IEMs
>Open or closed
Closed, and I really want them to isolate the noise of the Tube
>Comfort level
As comfortable as possible (preferrably fitting snugly enough to sleep in and go running in)
>Preferred tonal balance
I do prefer a bit of bass, but I want to be able to hear the trebles as well - maybe V-shaped?
>Past headphones
Been rocking ATH-M50's for years, so that's my benchmark. Is it even possible to get IEMs that have as wide a soundstage as over-ears?

>>55761664
How much would I regret buying HD600s as an upgrade to ATH-M50x's when my main choice of music is Swing/Electronic?

>>55761664
Didn't mean to quote, but for IEM's I think you'd be looking at maybe Momentum in-ears for a V shaped signature?

Anyone have the M70x's?
I'm thinking about buying them for everyday use and for all my music production shit. The freq response is flat as fuck from what i've seen.

>>55761755
>Momentum in-ears

Wouldn't they be a downgrade from ATH-M50's though?

Also, I forgot to add: I want a pair with a detatchable cable (because I always break it). A mic like the one on the Momentums would be sweet, but not necessary.

>>55761740
you will regret it if you like boom boom bass. if you want something more like the m50 get the X2.

>>55761758
you're thinking of the msr7. m70x is like the m50x. msr7 is like the m40x, flatter.

>>55761740
A lot of my music has is relatively bass heavy but I never feel like I want more, and sometimes it does overpower the rest of the music.

>>55761795
Well the maybe something like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-IE80-Ear-Canal-Phones-White/dp/B005N8W27I ?
I believe they're detachable, and I've heard decent things about them.

>>55761804
>>55761830
Fuck me I'm misquoting all over the place today.

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>>55761811
you sure?

>>55761842

They're at the top of my list, yeah. The only thing is (and I know this is stupid) the only person who I've seen really love them is LinusTechTips, and I don't really rate his opinion.

Anyone in this thread owned a pair?

>>55761905
Don't blame you since he's a Sennheiser fanboy. I'll be honest I'm not too informed on IEM's so take my suggestion with a grain of salt.

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>>55761872
>flat within 2db from 50hz to 12khz
>trusting it

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>>55761872
yes. if anything it measures worse than the m50x. msr7 and m40x is what you want.

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>>55761872

>Budget
100-200 $
>Location
ASEAN countries
>Source
Smartphone and PC
>Type of Headphones
Over Ear
>Open or Closed
Open
>Comfort Level
Best/High
>Tonal Balance
Neutral
>Optional
Detachable Cord if possible
>past headphones
Only Earphones, very uncomfortable .

>Budget
up to 200 eur
>Location
Netherlands
>Source
Macbook pro
>Preferred type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
closed, I don't want coworkers to also be enjoying my music
>Comfort level
comfy pref non (fake) leather
I'll be wearing this for 8 hours in a row
>Preferred tonal balance
something between neutral and bassy leaning more to neutral
>Past headphones
Urbanites

>>55762198
Sennheiser HD558
AKG K612 Pro if you mean to get an amp later, but your pc may be able to drive it alone, unless it's old.

Mad Dog still the best closed headphones?

>>55762508
They've never been the best closed headphones.

>>55762526
Well what's the best?

>>55762533
MDR 7506 for neutral sound, DT770 for v-shaped sound

>>55762467
thanks anon

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Thinking of getting a pair of AKG K 240 Studios, anything better for around 60€?

Hey /hpg/ I heard that excessive use of noise cancellation Headphones make your ears less sensitive for background noise and thus you'll have a harder time understanding people while a TV is running for example or other stuff.
Any of you knows if there's something to it? Because my hearing already isn't the best and I don't want to damage it any further.

>>55763234
That sounds like BS. Since noise cancelling headphones just play an inverted version of the background noise to cancel it out.

Hey /hpg/ I heard that excessive use of earplugs make your ears less sensitive for sound and thus you'll have a harder time understanding people while a earplugs are off for example or your ears adapting to hearing noise while earplugs are on.
Any of you knows if there's something to it? Because my hearing already isn't the best and I don't want to plug it any further.

hi looking into akg702 for studio mixing and recording and wondering why there is such a price difference on amazon between fulfillment stores and amazon. $150 us difference which is huge considering the $210 offering price

>>55764383
Hearing loss has to do with damage to the ear or blockage of the ear canal or some actual rare/ serious brain disease.

Adapting like you describe it doesn't really exist as far as I know. Actual adaption or hearing training is a different brain process than "lower the volume".

>>55764583
Have you checked the price of the K701 or the Q701? They're basically identical to the K702. K702 is cheaper in Europe, but the Q701 is cheaper in the US.

>Budget
~500€ (~$500)
>Location
Germany
>Source
fiio x3
>Preferred type of headphone
over ear
>Open or closed
open
>Comfort level
Comfy enough for ~3 hours of listening, so average, I'd say
>Preferred tonal balance
neutral or a slight v-shape
>Past headphones
had the creative aurvanas IEMs couple years back, also tried the rock it r-50 but they were too bright to my liking. Right now I have the beyer dt1350 and the tight punchy bass and overall fairly neutral sound is nice. They get uncomfortable after 1+ hours of wearing though so I'm looking for an upgrade both in sound and in comfortability. I've been looking at the Senn HD650, or maybe HiFiMan HE400. Or maybe I should stick with beyerdynamic since I like their sound signature?

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> $100
> USA
> Wireless headphones for VR use (HTC Vive)
> Would prefer closed, but ok with semi-open
> Need to be comfy, immersive
> Needs to reproduce ignore sounds, with decent soundstage
> Currently using Shure 215, with various gamer headsets over the years

I need help finding a decent pair of wireless headphones for my VR set. I'm guessing soundstage and immersiveness is the number one priority. I have no clue where to start, I'm more of an IEM person.

>>55764943
*reproduce in-game sounds

God damnit.

>>55764939
HE-400i

>>55764943
you don't need wireless man, I got a short 3.5mm cable off ebay for a few dollars that is about 170mm in length.

Then plug that into any headphone of your liking that accepts 3.5mm input into the Vive's 3.5mm port.

The cable doesn't get in the way you won't know it exists, it doesn't even rub on my shoulder.

As for headphones that would go well with it probably anything with wide sound stage that is very lightwieght.

I use fidelio X2 with my vive at the moment and the weight is fucking killing me.

Hell even without the headphones the Vive is fairly front heavy can't stand to play it more than an hour before my neck starts getting sore especially with games that have you looking down a lot or tilting your neck.

The headphones sit near the center of mass of your head so it doesn't cause anywhere near as much discomfort unless they weigh a ton.

Only advantage of wireless I can think off right now is not having to plug it into the HMD but that doesn't take long anyway.

>>55764943
>>55765095
try phillips SHP9500 I think it is within your budget, it is wired but has 3.5mm female port so you can plug in a short cable.

It has pretty wide soundstage and is fairly comfy, not sure how well it clamps to your head.

The cable of my superlux 681B is getting loose. Sound missing from the left or right ear at certain positions.

I don't have any tools or tinkering skills.

Is there anything I can do?

Is there something like a tier list for headphones?

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>>55765095
>>55765132

Thanks for the advice, I'll look at some wired lighter-weight headphones then. At least it's a bit easier picking those out.

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>>55761543

Anything good under $20?

>>55765403
>tier list for headphones?
There are price ranges to select from, but quality is all over the place. Even if the set is "good", they have their own weaknesses.

And no, paying more doesn't guarantee anything.

>>55766272
If you are not in the US prices ranges mean fuck all. That's why I'd rather have a tier list of sorts even if it's more subjective and leaves out finer details and preference.

Goddamn it.
I just got my 2ndhand Fidelio X2 today, $150 after shipping.
I ran it through my phone straight up, creative E5 dac/amp and Fiio E17. Goddamn consistent. The store demo HD800 isn't like that when I tried it.

Playing Shostakovich symphony no.5 mvt 4, some Nep songs, and Dvorak's New World Symphony.

How the fuck is Sennheiser charging this much for HD600/HD650 when this thing is so well built for MSRP 300 bucks?
I mean I think back to some dude with his T1 and HD800 along with this heavy as shit Audaze LCD-2 running on power conditioned circuit and digital Dac/amp, stuff that I don't understand at all, and I am thinking why he'd gone through that much pain to get a sound that I swear I am getting with no EQ on this X2 out of my Samsung Note 4 plugged straight in.

Is my taste just hopelessly pleb for the likes of the srs audiophiles or something, /hpg/?

Bose 20i's broke down yesterday, and I need something to use on the way to work.

>Budget
~$100
>Location
CA
>Source
Z5
>Type
IEMs, noise isolation prefered

Im pretty confident that I could find some online easily, but id really like some guidance so I dont buy Bose shit again.

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Post your end-game headphones.

>>55766610
But you already posted them

You guys have any tips for keeping my hearing safe? Any good "rule of thumb?"

I heard

>Listen to music, does it sound quiet?
>Go one step beneath that

I've also heard this
>60/60
>60 percent volume with good headphones/IEM's for 60 minutes

I really love music, and I think it'd be a shame if I lost my hearing.

is there any IEMs like the ATH-IM50 in that they're fairly cheap and have detachable cables?

>>55766586
Most headphones need an amp to sound louder, other headphones don't. No surprise you can drive your Fidelio X2 very well out of your phone, the X2 is really easy to drive. I had two X2, both of them had glued earpads. They sounded a bit too bassy and mid-shy to me, plus they got a bit uncomfortable due to their weight and their loose clamp, which is why I sent the X2 back to Amazon, then I bought an AKG K702 + E10K amp/dac for a bit less than a X2. I'm satisfied with their sound now.
> why do audiophiles spend that much?
Because they think that more expensive stuff ALWAYS sounds better than cheaper stuff. The best headphones now cost around 300$. Really few flagships can be considered good for their price.

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>>55762478
No shit taste there if you ask me.

>>55767800
Looks you are getting cucked by your waifu or does the guy represent you?

>>55767800
Have you ever tried speakers?

>>55767827
Ah, that's Larva, it's a weird platonic thing, but officially he is her best friend/bodyguard//servant/slave.
>>55767875
A few near-field monitors, the best so far was a Genelec one, can't recall the exact model, sounded awesome, but was a little too forgiving if you ask me.
Being meaning to get a pair of JBL LSR308 for quite some time now, should be more than enough for what i need.

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The Japs sure know how to design headphone amps. I've never heard the HD800S sound so smooth and lively.

>>55768413
Bait

>>55768413
I'd rather use an O2 which is proven to be neutral rather than some chink no-name amp.

>>55768413
Hows the bass attack transiency? How warm are the mids? Are the highs nice and soft

>>55768561
The designer of this amp is a senior sound engineer for TV Tokyo. Please don't confuse glorious Japanese electronics with chink shit.

>>55768686
It's a pretty cool hunk of metal with a nice history behind it but 4k sounds like a lot
Do you have any specs or measurements?

>>55768686
I don't care about your gook shit amp kid, it's just another senior sound engineer using his name to rip off retarded audiophiles like yourself. Seeing that he's an educated man, he's very aware that he's selling you bullshit, and he's probably laughing at you all behind your backs.

>>55766787
I've heard a guideline that says you should be able to hear you own voice clearly while listening to music or it's too loud, but it's not very useful unless you're using open headphones because closed and IEMs have varying degrees of isolation.
There is a WHO document on safe listening in the wiki.

>>55766357
The price guides on the wiki relate to tiers as is.
Let's try anyway. Here's roughly how I would tier it. Just by sound.

HD518 and variants/XPT100/M40x/M50/7506
DT770/HP50/R70x
HD600/HD650/K701 and variants/DT880/DT990/K612/HE-400i/most SR-Λ series
HD800/LCD-2/Ether/HE-560/HE-6/SR-009

There are some other things that I'm not sure how I would place.

>>55768561
>proven to be neutral
Non-flat amplifiers are the exception rather than the norm.

>Budget
$150 aud
>Location
Australia
>source
Just my phone
>open or closed
Open
>comfort level
Comfortable enough to wear for hours on end

Is sennheiser for faggots?

Is AKG for weeaboos?

Are closed-back Audio Technica headphones for normalfags?

Is Grados for old people?

>Budget
200 eur flexible
>Location
Europe, Netherlands
>source
Laptop
>open or closed
Closed
>comfort level
Comfy
>type
over ear
>balance
neutral

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>Budget
Low, I just want a pair of stand-ins until I accrue some more money since I only recently started working. Looking at amazon basics for $15
>Location
US of A
>Source
Motherboard audio
>Preferred type of headphone
Over-ear, on-ear okay
>Open or closed
Indifferent
>Comfort level
Not painful
>Preferred tonal balance
Indifferent
>Past headphones
Sennheisder HD419, Superlux HD-681 Evo

>>55770775 here, bumping this clown >>55766072
because he didn't fill out the form but we have the same needs.

What are the best pc speakers i can get for $200?

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>Budget
Up to $150

>Location
USA

>Source
OnePlus 3

>Preferred type of headphone
I am looking for in ear headphones to use around campus

>Open or closed
N/A

>Comfort level
Something that will not fall off while walking and that is comfortable enough for everyday use.

>Preferred tonal balance
I primarily listen to hip-hop EDM and rock, so I would like something bassy but not overwhelming.

>Past headphones
I use my dt880s at home with my fiio e10k. I am looking for something portable.

>>55771814
MA750

>>55771989
>>55770775
Hook me up pham

>>55771989
How do these compare to the s500

>>55772124
No clue. Never tried the S500.

>>55772018
Piston 3.

>>55772167
that's a good idea, get a pair of wearables for the interim and then cans later. Do they have smaller rubber insert shits? I got teeny ear canals man.

>Budget
$110
>Location
USA
>Source
Phone
>Preferred type of headphone
In Ear
>Comfort level
Comfortable as possible. Their primary use is to listen to podcasts during my 10 hour shift. So comfort > sound quality.

ty /hpg/

>>55772580
Bump your budget $10 and >>55771989

>>55772623
I'll absolutely consider. thanks.

700 dollars
open headphones
i have no amplifier


what headphone + amp/dac do i get?
my source will be my PC playing FLAC

>>55772697
For many, an O2 DAC/Amp + HD600/650 are endgame.

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got my first dac. do I max my volume in windows and just adjust volume using the dac slider from now on?

Can you put the HD600 cables in backwards? I mean putting the "L/R" labels facing inwards.

Only asking because the pins are so tiny and I don't want to risk damaging them by trying.

>Budget
250euros
>Location
Lithuania
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
full-sized
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
really comfy, so i could wear easily for 12hrs. V-moda lp are great but fuck me are they not comfy
>Preferred tonal balance
bassy
>Past headphones
V-moda lp1

piston 3 or hybrid?

I saw someone over at the snakeoil forum say that putting HD650 cables in a pair of HD600 makes them sound better, any truth to this or just more placebo autism?

>>55773487
I'm no expert, but what about the cables would make the headphones sound better?

What's the theory behind this?

>>55762508
Mad/Alpha Dog, HP50, PM3, and TH-00x (or any of the good fostex) are the best closed headphones imo. though something like the Ether-C might be better but I've never tried it.
also, I favor a warm sig. someone looking for treble might like something like a v6 or msr7 better, even that fucking meze 99. but personally I don't think a closed headphone has any excuse for weak bass and emphasized highs or upper mids sound better from an open headphone anyways.

>>55770840
>>55766072
th-02, shell out for better pads if you can. srh-840 ones work and they're cheap but they are a bit loose on the cups.

or just buy an IEM.

>>55766586
I wonder what you could transplant into the X2 in terms of drivers? because they really do have among the best build quality of any headphone. A bit too bassy and v-shaped for me. I found equing Q701 and HD600 to be more like the x2 (just a bit) to give better results than doing the opposite on the x2.

>>55766787
that first one sounds really dumb. so you're just supposed to listen to music at an unsatisfying low level forever? and what is the baseline you're starting from? "quiet" is highly subjective.

personally I have slightly above average hearing for my age, with very minimal hearing damage (considering things will naturally sound less loud with age). unless you know you are damaging your ears already I would say just make sure not to listen to slightly loud (to you) music for hours on end. if you're going to listen that long, tone it down to your subjective "somewhat quiet".

>>55766787
IMO the question shouldn't be how loud can you go but how low can you go and still hear every dynamic/sound?

I know this is a headphone thread, but what is your opinion on the Bose 301? Is it a good deal a used one for $70?
Can I do better by buying something new at that price?

>Budget
$50-$100
>Location
US
>Source
Phone for travel, PC for work/home
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfort is very important
>Past headphones
Sony MDR v6

Just looking for something similar to MDR v6's in terms of quality, portability, comfort, and price except without the cumbersome coiled cable.

Thanks in advance guys!

>>55773530
Something to do with the electrical resistance of the cables.

Really shitty cheapo cables can have a noticeable effect on SQ, but comparing two decent cables straight from a reputable manufacturer? Seems like a meme to me.

>>55770376
>150 AUD

AD700X from DWI.

>>55773459
Bass(3) or more bass(hybrid).

>>55773224
>Can you put the HD600 cables in backwards?
No. The pins are keyed, one is significantly larger than the other. That wouldn't be a good thing either.
>the pins are so tiny
Look at the the pins and match them up. I have no reason to believe this is too much to ask of you.

>>55773487
>>55773530
The cables are thicker than the somewhat thin cables on the 600, but it doesn't do much electrically.
For something to change from the cabling, it has to change to voltage delivered to the headphone somehow.

>>55773038
To maximize system dynamic range, yes. That's the obsessive audiophile nervosa way, a lot inconvenience for something that doesn't always make a meaningfully negative impact on sound quality.
Practically speaking, you can make some adjustments at the computer, as long as you don't bury your intended signal too deep into the noise floor and make a mess of the system gain.

Does Windows still default to linear volume taper?

What are the next headphones after HD600 worth upgrading to? Would I have to step all the way up to HD800 to get a noticeable improvement?

>>55774986
Good speaker system with properly treated room

>>55766787
>Any good "rule of thumb?"
Ringing is a sign to stop putting sound into your ear. If it seems loud, turn it down.
Besides that, there isn't much guideline subjectively.
The ear has no ability to gauge the absolute intensity of sounds, and what seems loud and can do damage to the ear shifts in level over time. That's about all there is to it without writing an essay.

>60/60
>60 percent volume with good headphones/IEM's for 60 minutes
That doesn't work. Device voltages and volume sliders are different, and the sensitivity of headphone and earphones varies even more.

>I really love music, and I think it'd be a shame if I lost my hearing.
Unlike lizards, humans have no ability to regenerate the cochlea. You'll lose it eventually with age, and many other weird things will happen to hearing before it goes away.
Keeping healthy, avoiding cigarettes, and such are about what you can do to maximize its life.


>>55774986
If you want a nicer frequency response, break out a PEQ.
If you have some other problem, try to describe it.
If you can't put a problem into words and are getting something new just because you can, try to hold off on it.

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>cord does not function properly
>if i want to outright buy a new cord for headphones I will have to pay $90 since there are no custom cords for it

>>55775260
bionic cochlea when?

>>55775288
cable*

whatever

>>55774986
HD800 is a downgrade compared to the HD600.

I'd say the Orpheus is probably the only thing that Sennheiser has that beats the HD600.

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>primarily use studio monitors + high-end Polk sub over headphones
>headphones just sound dull and lack the bass impact you can get with a sub
>currently own Sennheiser HD558 (desktop use) and KEF M500 (portable use) headphones
>listen to primarily hardstyle/hardcore, misc EDM
>sub has "night mode" function that lowers the volume such that the neighbors don't hear your music at night
>often need to put on headphones when roommate is asleep
>headphones are lack-luster in comparison to my speakers
>I've heard that planar magnetic headphones like the Audeze LCDX will give a nice set of speakers a run for their money
>considering uprading to pic related from the HD558's, unless you can think of a better option
Idk, part of me wants to upgrade but I don't want to be disappointed. Redpill me /g/.

>>55775754
I heard the Fazer version of LCD-2 and T1. I think the Beyerdynamic T1 does the HD800 sound better than the HD800.
What's your impression of the HD600 in comparison to those?

>>55776103
you're looking for bass extension/impact? you might like LCD2

>>55776562
Yeah that's way out of my price range. Definitely going to get the LCD2 once I get out of college and am on my own.

Got some DT990 Pro's today, was wondering if an AMP or a DAC would make more a difference in sound off the bat. I plan on getting both eventually although I'd prefer to get one that makes more of a difference first.

I was thinking about getting an O2 and an ODAC but I am open to suggestions on other DAC/AMP combos that may sound better for these headphones

>>55776921
O2+ODAC, Schiit stack and even E10K are all fine.

>AMP
Not an acronym.

>>55776994
Thanks, that is right, AMP is not an acronym

Of the 3 the Schiit stack and the O2+ODAC are around $200USD+ where as the E10K is only 75$, is there much of a difference for 125$+ USD? Or is the difference marginal?

>>55777053
The main reason to opt for the O2/Magni 2 over E10K is the extra power and build quality rather than an improvement in sound quality, which is rather small. I would find it somewhat difficult to do a blind test between an E10K and O2/Magni 2.

>>55777109
Thanks for the help dude

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>Budget
$100 - $150
>Location
US
>Source
PC gaming and music, mobo (possible dac/amp in ~2 months)
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Long gaming sessions, comfort is a must
>Past headphones
hyperx cloud 1, feels a bit tight, could be lighter. kinda wears me down after a couple hours

I'm currently looking at the K612PRO's and the DT990's (32ohm)
leaning more towards the K612Pro's, but only after limited research

I was at the deli getting lunch when I saw the guy next to me wearing the exact same headphones I have. Beyerdynamic 770. I was like hell yeah validation

>>55768686
why wouldn't you buy an amp from a designer that is actually respected like nelson pass and not some noname who does shit for a tv studio that has little iinterest in audio fidelity

>>55777614
you will need an amp for the 612. not a super powerful one but more powerful than a mobo or mobile device amp. e10k is like 60-70 but you could probably find a cheaper chink just amp.

just be aware of the differences: the k612 is fairly neutral, the dt990 is heavily v-shaped.

Why is /hpg/ so triggered with people buying better equipment?

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>>55778404

>>55778404
95% of the population here only have entry-level items and cannot afford anything better.

>>55777630
Give good examples of "well-respected" high end amps then.

>>55763234
I don't think that actually has anything to do with your ears. If anything, your brain will just get used to having no other sounds than the one you're concentrating on. If that were to happen, just expose yourself to some noisy environments and try to concentrate on one singular sound there.

Anyways, chances are that nothing will actually happen.

These are the headphones that are available to me basically, you should be able to use it even though it's in Norwegian. (Laveste pris is sort by lowest price)
http://www.4sound.no/studio/hodetelefoner

>Budget
~1500 NOK
>Location
Norway
>Source
Computer, phone
>Preferred type of headphone
Over-ears
>Open or closed
Open preferred, but I might go for closed so that other people don't have to suffer my anime music outside
>Comfort level
Something I can wear for like 8 hours straight
>Preferred tonal balance
Balanced
>Past headphones
Bose QC3, German Maestro GMP 8.100 (these still work, being made in Germany and all but I want something more comfortable, so I'll give it to my imouto or something)

>>55777852
Thanks familia

>>55778630
You still aren't understanding the main issue. It isn't "I don't have money to spend on better equipment", the real problem is "why should I spend more money for equipment which isn't better than what I already have?".

>>55778404
Get some numbers about the "better" equipment if you want to convince people here. Leave the irrelevant bits out like pricing, country of origin, name and title of the designer, hi-fi magazine/forum endorsements etc - anything that doesn't relate to the performance of the gear yet it's commonly used by the manufacturer to advertise it. I'm not here to rationalize or rate people's purchases. I'm indifferent if someone pays thousands for their headphone amplifier or if someone finds their gear better than someone else's. What I despise however is how little people understand anything about audio yet at the same time believe all kinds of nonsense circulating in audio communities, take things at face value and end marketing for free.

On /g/ this sometimes takes the turn to the opposite where all discussion about good audio gear is frowned upon and labeled as consumerism and "placebo" while most people seem clueless what placebo is in the first place. The autism here also clouds what people think of certain type of equipment(e.g. convenience of wireless is never worth it because the possibility of lower quality audio). People here seem to judge others' purchases by their own needs and criteria(e.g. an expensive product X isn't worth it for this random anon because you can get such good gear for less money).

>>55778645
Anything designed by Ti Kan (AMB), Kevin Gilmore and Nelson Pass are gold.

>>55778786
Akai MPC

>>55778946
They look good, but are they fine even though they have a low resistance of 16 Ohms?

>>55778964
yeah, unless your mobo is complete garbage

>>55776103
>headphones just sound dull
That's the 558 midbass for you. Easily fixed, but it does sound dull.
IIRC, the KEF had a down sloping response to it.

>lack the bass impact you can get with a sub
>I've heard that planar magnetic headphones like the Audeze LCDX will give a nice set of speakers a run for their money
Headphones can clean out speakers on bass extension and flatness.
I have this suspicion that what you are looking for isn't just extended bass, but boosted bass as well. Most planar (dynamic or electrostatic) headphones don't do the latter. At least you have shelf EQ for that.

In any case, 400S is definitely the wrong thing to be looking at. 400i is a better start.

i need really comfortable, closed headphones for under €500 that i'll plug into my pc

i've had dt 770s for over 5 years. they're good but the plastic bits on the side break every so often and it's getting really annoying

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>>55775754
>HD800 is a downgrade compared to the HD600.

I wish this meme would stop.

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>>55779741
nvm i'm paying the tax, there's too much choice and i'll never be able to decide on which headphones to get

>>55779763
>I wish this meme would stop.
That's just a symptom of the problem, the problem being that they put too much stock into the headphone's amplitude response.

>>55779763
At first glance that image looked like a sturmtiger

>>55778915
>e.g. convenience of wireless is never worth it because the possibility of lower quality audio

Not never worth it, but I find wireless to be a hassle. More so concerning the battery which needs to be recharged regularly and degrades over time.

There is a potential for wireless communication to introduce flaws or be more prone to interference from noise sources like other devices using a similar band or electromagnetic interference. But I haven't tested any so I don't know how they fare in practice.

Wired is more convenient in most situations.

Unless for instance you are using some VR HMD in the future that is completely wireless so using wireless headphones in that situation would be better as you don't have to worry about cable length and getting tangled as much.

Unless said HMD has a 3.5mm port built in and a solid means of transmitting audio data wirelessly.

>>55779763
Not gonna lie, the extreme comfiness of the HD800 alone is worth the upgrade.

>>55779763
It's not a meme, it's a fact.

The HD600 is more accurate therefore it's better.

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>>55779763
>HD800

Alright lads, give me the BEST wireless headphones for 100$

>Budget

$400

>Location

Amazon.com

>Source

Laptop

>Preferred type of headphone

Noise Canceling

>Open or closed

Closed

>Comfort level

10/10

>Preferred tonal balance

Neutral-warm

>Past headphones

HD 598, MDR 7506 and K550

i really need noice cancelling headphones

>>55774679

Mod the v6 with an straight cable

Hi there! I just acquired a Sony MH750 (in-ears) which was described as a headphone on its box. However, I just found out that it has a built-in microphone, and I am very disappointed, since it soundss worse in my conception. I need advice on whether I should buy me proper earphones, or is this one just fine?

Why do people treat the the HD600 like it's the holy grail of headphones

I mean I'm sure they're good but jesus christ

>>55783113
Because they are too lazy or probably too ignorant to know that even cheaper headphones can be tuned and equalized to be better than a HD600

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>budget
anything up to about 70 dollars but I'm flexible
>location
the nothern wastes of canada
>source
smartphone so don't need anything crazy for playing lossless since I don't have the space for FLAC on my sd card
>preferred type
IEMs
>comfort level
looking for something that'll stay in my ears while I run, don't necessarily care about comfort level as long as they stay in
>tonal balance
completely even and balanced, can't stand shit like "enhanced bass"
>previous headphones
these cheap pieces of shit that I bought on impulse just cause I needed earbuds for running

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weird question, but can I stack dacs on top of each other without any interference? i've got a ps3 and ps4 and getting tired of unplugging the optical cable to switch from one console to another.

>>55783457
> multiple dacs
Kek

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>>55783457

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senheiser hd 202 vs th-02?

>>55781179
>what is PEQ

>>55783113
Because it's very neutral as far as headphones go.
>>55783457
Rotational velocidensity would degrade the audio quality.
>>55783896
Would bury my face in that ass. Anyway, the TH-02 is better.

>>55783991
>spend $1000 on colored headphones that need EQ

Then buy $20 headphones you stupid shill.

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>>55761543
What the fuck is this shit? You faggots shilled this and I fell for it. It sounds like trash.

>>55784151
>the HD600 shill accuses others of shilling

LOL

>>55783457
>can I stack dacs on top of each other without any interference
Yes.

>>55782407
Bose QC25. Easy.

>>55783062
I'm not sure what your problem is. The mic is not good, so you want a new set of earphones?

>>55784805
How am I an HD600 shill you retard?

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What are good headphones to use with this thing

>Budget
Up to 350USD
>Location
Ausfailure
>Source
Portable DAC/AMP
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
No specific preference
>Past headphones
NE800M, K7XX, Custom One Pro's

I just got in the game and I want a little variety when I'm going out.

>>55783457
why did you post a pic of a featureless sky

>>55783991
Makes more sense to use the HD800 as the basis because of the low distortion of the drivers and comfort.

>>55784189

fallin for memes

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HD800 is garbage. I listened to the HD650 and HD800 side by side and the HD650 won by a landslide on every genre. It baffles me how anyone can genuinely like the HD800, is it their audiophile consumerist fetish at play?

>>55784954
ER-4P

>>55784189
Pic + Timestamp or it didn't happen.

>>55785310
I swear that HD600/HD650 shills are the worst people in these threads.

>>55786064
Not as bad as HD800 shills.

>>55786126
HD800 is like the best flagship in production now.

>>55786401
No, it isn't:

>>55785310
>>55781179

It's low fidelity trash.

>>55783999
Muddy and veiled sound is neutral now?

>>55786510
>Muddy and veiled
Sounds like the HD800.

>>55786126
Don't think actual HD800 shills exist since it's beyond the paygrade of /hpg/.

>>55786520
sounds like all mudheiser headphones

>>55786522
It's only 1000 USD. Don't feel special because you can afford it.

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>>55786064
I think the HD600 fag is deeply frustrated for the lack of soundstage and air in his headphone.

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>there are people in this thread right now who argue about accuracy and frequency response but don't use PEQ

>>55786810
No bass: the headphone

>>55786856
Sounds like the HD600 to me.

>>55786889
Yeah, no.

Your weeaboo headphones are so shit that the parent company (Harman) said so themselves.

>>55786944
Harman is a joke dude

>>55785952
Obsolete. Two new ER-4 models are to be released soon.

ER4SR and ER4XR.

I have the Logitech G930 wich I blindedly bought for 50ish quid this xmas because I wanted some wireless headphones so that I can pee while talking to the people I play with.

Should I have gotten some other headphones for that price? If so wich ones and why.

Thanks anon.

>>55783415
What does an Ety Mk5 go for?

>>55782167
Air-fi matrix 2 is an option.

>>55787990
>Should I have gotten some other headphones for that price?
What's wrong with your current set?

>>55788831

Nothing, I'm quite happy with them. Can config useful stuff on a .ini file, they are comfortable and I consider the sound quality quite nice.

But some people told me they are overrared and I just want anons opinion.

>>55788994
Here's the thing: if you already like the product you have, something else isn't necessarily going to be better.
The rule of audio is to stick with what you have if you like it.

>budget
50$
>location
USA
>source
Phone. I have a full setup at home with a pair of K553s so I need one for general use
>preferred type of headphone
full size
>closed or open
Closed or semi closed
>comfort level
Soft and comfy as possible
>past headphones
KZ-ATEs, akg K553's

I want headphones with a detachable cable so I can wear them during lunch break at work or while walking. Looking for excellent and balanced sound.

>>55789910
50$ with a $20 variance. Really anything below 70 but preferred at 50

If I got an amp/dac that is usb powered and had toslink could I hear both sources at the same time? Will it screw anything up?

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I'm having some trouble finding some decent 60$

headphones so if someone could point me in the

right direction that would be awesome

>Budget
70$

>Location
Dude amazon ftw (U.S.)

>Source
Phone

>Preferred type
Over the ears

>Comfort
Long-term use without ear aches 5~ hrs

>Tonal Balance
Often soft rock like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdFfbi3SudM&list=LL2Mrxyw9qmYhAh2qUwW3lmA&index=1 so anything that could amplify this experience would be godly. Also sometimes techno like Porter Robinson - Divinity

>Open/Closed
Closed

>Cord
Detachable would also be amazing

>Past headphones
I useually stick with earbuds like
https://www.amazon.com/ActionPie-VJJB-V1S-Resolution-Headphones-SmartPhones/dp/B016L0DRXE/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1469675545&sr=8-14&keywords=headphones

But I want to try something new

I feel a little retarded for doing this, but I am now wearing my IEM (westone 4R) together with the Fidelio X2 and driving them from one same portable amp (Creative E5).

Using IEM together with the headphones did something really interesting. I am getting a sound that's far closer to the LCD-2 that I experienced. It is as if the instruments react faster, at the speed of IEM, while I can position the instruments better than just with the IEM.

Am I the only one who didn't notice murderbass in regards to the ATH M50s

Seriously when I swapped on the hm5 pads the bass was just pathetic and I'm not even a basshead, but it was worth it since the stock pads are terrible

>>55791201
AKG 240s

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>>55791812
>AKG 240s
oh yeah baby these r good

Any Etymotic MK5 owners in this thread?

I want to pick one up but it seems quite inefficient compared to my old HF5. The MK5 looks like it's brighter and that's what I want regarding sound, I'm just worried my Nexus 5X won't be able to power it to adequate volumes.

Is burning-in equipment an actual thing?

>>55792028
nope
>>55791423
i'm laughing so hard right now, that's some head-fi tier shit

>>55792028
No, nor do you need an expensive DAC or AMP.

>>55792028
Depends on who you ask. Hardcore objectivists will say it isn't but everyone else will say it is.

>>55791423
That's some weapons grade autism you got right there son.

>>55792243
>I have no fucking idea what I'm talking about but I want to respond anyway.

Kudos?

>>55792292
Thanks for the classic example of an ad hominem.

On a side note, would you say that Tyll Hertsen, the guy who provides a lot of the measurements hardcore objectivists cite, "has no fucking idea what he's talking about" as well?
>I rarely hear break-in. I reckon the diaphragm does change a bit, but by the time it's got a couple of hours on it, it's done settling in. There is one exception in my mind, however, the AKG K701 is notorious for needing long break-in, and I've heard it a number of times. It's got me convinced that there is such a thing as a break-in period for headphones, and some need it more than the others.

>>55792328
>On a side note, would you say that Tyll Hertsen, the guy who provides a lot of the measurements hardcore objectivists cite, "has no fucking idea what he's talking about" as well?

You mean the guy /g/ constantly makes fun of for not understanding the process for getting good accurate measurements, or the science behind audio?

>Appeal to authority
>Strawman
>Anecdotal evidence
>I can keep going but you're too stupid to understand.

>>55792716
>You mean the guy /g/ constantly makes fun of
Would you like to trawl through the archives to find a thread that makes fun of him? I don't remember a single incident let alone it being "constant." In other words, [citation needed].

>Appeal to authority
>Strawman
You might also what to look up what terms mean before you toss them around.

>>55792810
That's literally what you did though. You act as though because one reviewer believes something it must be right, and that I somehow made an argument that this reviewer doesn't believe it, or that I thought nobody believed it.

That's an appeal to authority and a strawman.

>Would you like to go through the archive
No. You just need to lurk more.

You're the one making the claim burn in is a thing, so why don't you prove it instead of acting like everyone else should disprove your placebo shit?

>>55792846
>That's literally what you did though.
I understand that you are knew to this whole logic thing, but an appeal to authority and a straw man ARGUMENT are both an invalid arguments. Was what I presented an argument or an question to determine your ignorance in the field of personal audio? And if it is not an argument how can it be either an appeal to authority or a straw man ARGUMENT?

I expect you to continue to desperately try at damage control your idiotic opinion of my post being an appeal or a straw man ARGUMENT because you do not understand what either term means or the maturity to admit making the childish mistake of using words incorrectly.

>>55792886
>all them capitalised words
Not gona bother with you bud.

>>55792974
It's only one word that is capitalized even if it is posted a few times to emphasize your basic error.

Don't leave mad. Just leave.

http://slickdeals.net/f/8964567-sennheiser-hd600-headphones-ifi-nano-idsd-portable-amp-dac-400-free-shipping

Sweet deal on the world's best headphone.

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anyone have these? what am i in for? this is the first time i ever heard of this brand

>Budget
200-400

>Location
Canada

>Source
Pc no amp

>Preferred type of headphone
Over ear

>Open or closed
closed probably

>Comfort level
Amazing preferably

>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral

>Past headphones
Seinheiser 280hd pro, theyre alright but the cushions dying and its killing my ears

>>55793600
PM3

>>55761543
I figure this is a good place to ask this, sorry if I've got it wrong.

I've already got headphones, but I just want some ~$200 bluetooth speakers just to keep in my bedroom for when i'm on my laptop at night in bed and don't want to wear headphones. Do you guys have any recommendations?

>>55793091
That's not the HD800 S or SR-009.

>>55793091
not really. you're paying $150 for bundled placebo gear you don't need. the going for a new hd600 is 250-300. every year during BF season you should be able to get one for $230-240 new on it's own. I think they lowest I have ever seen it was 226 on adorama. this same basica deal has been on amazon for ages but they give you a $150 amazon gift card instead which is way better than some dac/amp you probably don't want.

>>55793323
>what am i in for?
fashion. too much bass. not as good comfort as they look. high price. that's pretty much it.

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>>55794317
get a separate bluetooth receiver that supports the latest bluetooth and/or aptx. throw in a cheap lepai 2020 amp and you could probably still afford something like a fluance sx6

Is the MSR7 a worthy upgrade to the M50x if I'm going to use them for commuting/casual listening while out and about?

>>55795008
Great idea actually, thank you.
Do you have a smaller speaker you recommend though, I don't have a whole heap of room in my bedroom.

>>55795114
micca mb42x. I think dayton also updated their cheapo line, last was b652. also monoprice have some good cheap ones now. but if size is your concern get the micca. just be aware that they're going to lack some bass extension and impact. that's why the fluance is so big, so you don't have to get a sub.

>>55762703
Change the earmuffs for the velvet ones (you'll get them in the box). You'll never want anything else ever again. Does get dirty fairly quickly, but replacements are cheap.

Also, these are not closed, unless you're blasting something at stupid-loud levels, you can hear the surroundings very well. You need a quiet place to enjoy the music.

>>55795147
Thank you anon, I appreciate it <3

>>55791833
muh nigga

>>55795106
no. you also probably won't like the sig coming from the m50. the msr7 is an actual studio phone, so for home work/listening.

>>55795214
I'm not exactly overly fond of the M50x's signature. It works fine but the mids get a bit drowned out at times.
I have demoed them once, but not in a great environment and not for long either.

>>55795313
the msr7 is upper-midsy, not by a lot but it is somewhat cold sounding which puts people off. you might like the hp50 better, it's kind of the opposite, mildly warm, better isolation too. both have good mids though and you would enjoy either probably, I just think the sig of the msr7 doesn't suit portable use that well.

>>55795349
Yeah I've heard it's rather bright. What do you mean by not suitable for portable though, not enough bass to drown the outside out?

>>55795373
there is that. I like a mild bassy or v-shaped sig for portable use since I find it resolves music and such better with surrounding noise. since the msr7 doesn't have the best isolation I feel like the upper mids and highs would kind of be wasted. that's how I feel when I use bright-ish stuff outside anyways. if it was less money I would say go for it but at that expense I would rather buy a home headphone to enjoy upper mids and highs detail, probably open. I actually like the noontec hammo-s best for portable, since they fold small, isolate well, and they're pretty damn neutral despite looking like beats clones. the msr7 also has a pressure point problem but you'd be used to that from the m50. plus no phone controls, you can swap the cable but it uses a 2.5mm locking jack and I don't know if there is a version with controls or mic.

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>>55795443
I was considering buying a pair of HD600s but they're just over my budget, and I'd much prefer something I can use out because my commute can take up to three hours,

>>55795443
>plus no phone controls, you can swap the cable but it uses a 2.5mm locking jack and I don't know if there is a version with controls or mic.
MSR7 has a 3.5mm jack and does come with a cable that has a mic and controls.

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anyone here ever use bluetooth speakers? is it possible to always have it "on" if i plan to use it for my desktop?

>>55795463
3 hours? I would buy something more comfortable. honestly wait for BF the hd600 should be within 20-40 of the hd600. if you don't mind a bit of bulk the xpt-100 is great for long listening and it's only $100.

>>55795494
oh. I though it used the same cable as the m50x/m40x.

>>55795520
>B&O
please stop with this fashion sharper image shit. if you want something stylish and good get a xiaomi. most blouetooth speakers have auto on/off sleep which activates with the signal.

>>55795522
*within 20-40 of the msr7

>>55795522
Your sentence is incredibly confusing

>>55795522
I saw something from Inner Fidelity about bending the band in the MSR-7 that makes it bearable for long lengths of use, not sure if I trust it though

>>55795620
that plus bigger pads. I think they already have bigger pads than the other m-series, but big pads and headband bending improved the comfort of my m40x a lot.

What do you think about KZ 9? Bought them as cheap daily drivers for gym and bike.

What does /hpg/ think of the superlux 668B ? Is it really that good or are people just shilling ?

>>55795711
good, but it's kind of hard to dethrone the piston 3 in terms of value.

>>55795735
really good. I like it more than the k240 (similar response) and it almost always costs less. needs eq and new pads but what doesn't at that price?

>>55795767
Thats true, but Xiaomi wont produce them anylonger and chances you get a fake are high.

>>55795831
that's why everyone should stock up now from trusted sources. I think they'll still make the cheaper ones though, the dazzle and colorful and youth editions, which I have heard all sound the same, the build is just a little shittier. I'm going to get the piston air too, I heard it was even better than the 3. I didn't like the hybrid, it's just a piston 2 with less treble, still too bass heavy.

>>55795861
As far as i know they dont sound the same, especially not the youth edition.
Guess ill buy piston3 with my next shipment of chinkshit and hope theyre not fake.

Anon, question.
What should I be looking for if I want that clear sound you get with Shure in-ear stuff but you want a more spacious sound.
I find Sennheisers to feel more spacious, but I can hear things more clearly through Shures.
It it just a trade off that I have to live with if I am getting open headphones?

Almost in the same boat as
>>55789910

>Budget
From 40-150 USD
>Location
Eastern Europe
I can order from Amazon
>Source
PC - (Realtek ALC892)
(Coil whine is an issue, it leaks into any audio device.)
Currently I'm using a chink external soundcard to avoid coil whine from the GPU.

>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized

>Open or closed
Doesn't matter

>Comfort level
Quite comfy
(Would you be willing to accept less comfortable headphones if it meant better sound quality?) Yes

>Preferred tonal balance
Unsure, balanced/neutral or v-shaped or anything as long it doesn't sound muddy.

>Past headphones
LX-3000
Never wore a proper pair of headphones other than $10-20 chinkshit.

Extra props if it has a detachable cable & is durable.
I would be using it for games/music.
I do not own any amps or DACs, I can buy one if needed.

thanks /hpg/

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>tfw

>>55797780
K240

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What do people here think about this? I personally think it's abit overrated desu.

eliminate yourself from the genepool

>>55797933
I prefer Westone instead.

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>>55797933
I own them. Very clear, crisp sound, looks good, but frankly, uncomfortable in ear.

>>55797954
No you.

>>55797969
I don't think ur wearing them correctly

>>55794522
But anon, the HD600 is more neutral than both of those headphones.

>>55798180
>HD600
ancient veiled shit with trash build quality

>>55798192
>trash build quality
The thing that I don't understand about the Sennheisers. Why is it that philips could make their stuff out of all metal at a lower MSRP but Sennheiser couldn't be arsed?

>$228 for Gibson X2 with QC problem resolved

>>55784884
Sorry I didn't make it clear. My concern is that the earphones may have low fidelity for having a built-in microphone. They sound nice to me and have good isolation (in-ears). Problem is I bought them mainly to listen to music, not make phone calls. I'm concerned that the wiring is of bad quality, since it has a built-in microphone. This concern stems from reading the 'Headphones' article in the install/g/entoo wiki and reading that those gaming headsets are of inferior quality.

>>55798192
>>55798243
>trash build quality

They're well built. The broken pictures mean nothing.

>>55798679
>proof means nothing
Sennfags everyone

>>55798856
There's broken pictures of most headphones, pajeet.

I've had my HD650 since 2011, replace the pads once. It's in perfect condition and gets used every day.

>>55798908
Find me a broken HD800 or K702, good luck with that

was the Sennheiser CX 2.00G worth 32.99$?
Bought on sale from an airport while i was waiting for my flight.

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>>55798962
>K702

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>>55799919
that a 701 fampi even though that little plastic bit breaking doesn't change, ive even herd of people doing it on purpous because it makes the headphone more "confortable", unlike pic related

>Budget
$100
>Location
Amazon
>Source
PC/Phone
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
comfort is good

>>55797879
Anything else? I've read some bad reviews since they changed manufacturing locations from Austria to China.

The plastic seems to break over a short time, same goes for the 'phones cable.
Source: https://www.amazon.com/review/R20KIKQUU0VBTM/
https://www.amazon.com/review/R3UCQ6DLA37CXA
https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B0001ARCFA/?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&showViewpoints=0
>Are these reviews just bullshit?
Like I've said, I'm fine with anything however the selling point for me is mostly the products QC and durability over time with proper maintenance.
I have no problem RMAing products however I would be damn pissed if I get a faulty/weak pair.

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Thoughts on the CKKIII amp?

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What does /g/ think about these?

What is the Bose QC25 like with NC turned off?
Are the Bluetooth Sony ones with NC and NFC as good?
Is Bose the only company that has god tier NC due to muh patents?

>>55798464
>My concern is that the earphones may have low fidelity for having a built-in microphone.
>I'm concerned that the wiring is of bad quality, since it has a built-in microphone. This concern stems from reading the 'Headphones' article in the install/g/entoo wiki and reading that those gaming headsets are of inferior quality.
Correlation is not causation. No, headsets don't any intrinsic reason to be inferior. Mics don't do that.
If it is worse, that can be blamed on acoustics, a mechanical property rather than an electrical one.
But really, if it sounds good, it is.

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>>55801363

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>>55801322

>Budget
up to 200 eur, flexible
>Location
Netherlands
>Source
Macbook pro, Phone
>Preferred type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
comfy, I'll be wearing these all day at work
>Preferred tonal balance
either neutral or bassy
>Past headphones
770's

>>55801322
It's a good intro if you want to hear how an actual non-feedback, all discrete topology sounds like. Very smooth and engaging sound.

>>55801895
?

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>>55802402

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>>55802402
never stop posting

How the fuck can I extend earplugs cable life? I'm tired of burning through cheap earplugs because of cable damage, and I'm not going with $100+ headphones in view in public transport.

A lot of people are currently making comparisons between the Elear and HD 600. I tend to think that comparison is more about the fact that the HD 600 has been a staple mid-priced headphone among enthusiasts for years, and the Elear is likely to become similarly known. (Yes, I think the definition of "mid-priced" has shifted upwards over the years.) Switching from the Elear to HD 600 has me immediately missing the heft and dynamism of the Elear. The lack of bass extension, the infamous "Sennheiser Veil", and a general impression of decreased resolution have me pretty quickly saying the Elear is easily the better headphone.

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piston 3 vs hybrid

>Budget
200+ CAN
>Location
Canada
>Source
objective 2 odac to PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
comfy, ill be wearing them for hours at a time
>Preferred tonal balance
bass is good, also something with good sound stage and detail
>Past headphones
AKG 702, superlux hd668b, Cheap IEM's for portability

>>55802159
DT770? Don't tell us your old headphone if you aren't going to say anything about it

>>55801384
Big fat boost in the upper bass, some rolloff in the subbass, general midrange plunge.
It sounds a lot better with the EQ on, as it should. It also makes it block out the low frequencies. Without the DSP it lets in most low and midrange noise.

Before the EQ, it's not at all the best sounding ANC. Still isolates more.

>>55802655
>>55802729
Poor-fags gonna poor-fag.

Anyone know if the antlion modmics work with the tascam headphones?

Thinking of getting both, but since the mic uses magnets to stay attached, I'm not sure if it'll do or not.

>>55803556
Amplifiers aren't supposed to sound different.

>>55803565
>$50 mic for $14 headphones
please reconsider

>>55803619
Know of a cheaper mic of around the same quality, then?

>>55802402
>Very smooth and engaging sound.
>>>/6moons/

>>55803120
Nah, the Elear is V-shaped so your pleb ears like it more, similar to the HD800 effect.

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>>55803287
Thanks for the info.

Does anyone know what the ANC is like on Sony headphones that have it? Is it comparable to QuietComfort headphones at all? Wired or Bluetooth, but I'd really prefer wireless ones.

What happened to the headphone best off based on price tiers?

Budget:$100-150
Closed
Minimal noise pollution
Doesn't matter the type of music all arounder

>>55803285
Why won't you tell us about your other headphones?

>>55801322
It's a way into building electronics, perhaps a bit of fun while you're at it.
This sort of DIY effort isn't about maximizing performance.

>>55802402
I don't think there's any amplifier that is designed around no feedback. The CKKIII mentions the elimination of the global feedback, but you can still see the local loop.
Anyway, since when and why did people want to throw out NFB?

>>55804106
That's lifted from the innerfidelity review of the Elear.

>>55801212
Shure SE215

How do I redpill my friend on beats? He bought a 450 AUD pair of beats and I'm telling him they are shit but he doesn't understand

I've already redpilled him on other technolo/g/y but he is a faggot about his beats

I remember there was an infographic a while back

>>55805008
if you can't explain why they're shit then how do you know they're shit?

Audeze LCD-2's or Bottlehead Crack with HD600's?
I already have my Crack built but I know someone who is willing to give me the LCD-2's for $500. I do not have the HD600's so I am asking for input before I buy the HD600's or sell the Crack and buy the Audeze.

All music, but more leaning on Rock and Jazz.
Price is of no concern to me.

>>55805114
Probably wants more in depth reason other than low quality build

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>>55805114
>if you can't explain why they're shit then how do you know they're shit?

pic related

>>55805226
Exactly, its hard to explain to a normie that there is such thing as tight controlled unmuddy bass and that there is also satisfying sound in the mids and highs on a good set of headphones.

It's especially hard to explain this to someone who has never really listened to good headphones

>>55804988
>Full sized

>>55805393
literally the flattest 1k response i have ever seen in my life this is amazing

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>>55805008

>>55805558
This is it, thanks a lot

>>55805393
>pic related
a DF compensated and channel averaged frequency response without comparisons of other headphones in the same price range? i'm not convinced.
beats have made a dozen different headphones. those are nowhere near 450 AUD.

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>>55805008
>>55805558
Also related.

>>55804823
Buying guides are moved to wiki.
NVX XPT100 is one option.

>>55805008
Why do you care?

>>55805558
Out of date and not correct either.

>>55805121
Which LCD-2? I don't suppose you can at least try the LCD-2 on and listen to it, can you?
Crack bottle will give the HD600 more upper bass, which I really don't think it needs. The upper bass makes it somewhat unclear. People seem to like the Crack w/ 600 anyway, so...

Now, LCD2 and HD600:

Those headphones could be said to have a potential comfort problem.
HD600 has a moderate amount of clamp to it from the tight headband.
The LCD pads (leather or microfiber) are very large, but you have to deal with the cups distributing some force at your ears. The headband would be more likely to give you issues, given the high mass of the Audezes.
I don't like to sit still listening to music, so the Audezes give me another problem not often mentioned. Moving your head gives the cups momentum, so they can slide on your head if you move too much.

LCD headphones take a plunge in the upper midrange and treble. They are not at all rolled off, contrary to some uses of the term. LCD headphone usually have increasing emphasis from 10khz and up. Even though Audeze advertises high sensitivity on most of the LCD collection, the ear is sensitive to the upper-mid and treble range that LCDs lack, which can lead you to think otherwise.
Bass extension isn't that much better than the better moving coil designs (barring a large catalogue of <20Hz music), but what they are more notable for is the lack of midbass boost that coil drivers in open sets tend to have.
Audeze's consistency may not always be there, and they have made quiet changes to the models before.
HD600 is flatter and has more presence and energy from 2-5 kHz. The 4-5kHz can be overemphasized, but it usually has a dip a bit above that. Has a bit of midbass, with a more distinct bass roll off. This leads it to have a fair amount of reduced level at 20Hz.

>>55805946
that guide is incorrect how?

>>55761543
Any advice?
Budget = not too less but not too expensive.
Usage = flac. real flac. also 7.1 maybe
Location= Turkey.
>"who else /turkeyfag/ xdxdxdxdxdxd "
Before = Fucking apple headphones. I fucking hate these.
Comfort= No need. Quality is important
Source = mobo Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel onboard

>>55805946
In response to
>>55805121
I have the speedball upgrade in addition to the crack.

I have tried the Audeze LCD-2's v.2 (pre-fazor), I believe the lambskin leather option with the bamboo finish. These are the ones he wants to sell me for $500.
They are pretty heavy but I haven't tested the headphones extensively so I wouldn't know how comfortable they are.
Sound wise, the bass is good but it has a rumble. Mids are good but treble is a bit off.

Sound wise, would you prefer the HD600's over the audeze for Jazz? what about Rock?

>>55805008
Just show him a better pair of headphones.

If he can't tell the difference then don't bother until he can.

>>55785012
>Tonal Balance

>>55804984
Mostly because they are only $10-20 earbuds. nothing special

>>55785012
MSR7?

>>55806176
As many problems as there with using square waves as a measurement metric, that's not what they would look like.
The square waves follow from the frequency response, and the waveforms are not adjusted for the correction target. The actual target is a lot more skewed.
Neither is the impulse response on that matter.

Scale on the impedance charts is hard to use well, and it doesn't relate to quality itself.


>>55806255
In general, I would take the HD600 most of the time. The bass is not as clear and is more rolled off, but the Audezes do things I don't like to most instruments that make use of upper frequencies. Makes vocals seems disconnected from the rest of the range. I don't find myself craving better bass enough to pick the LCD.
I've never cared about soundstage and headphones, but the HD600 doesn't sound sound expansive.

Most of that is just an FR problem, and EQ handily solves these problems decisively in favor of the LCD2.
I still don't find it comfortable, maybe you won't have a problem. There's always the support strap accessory you can buy to ease the headband.

>>55806654
Okay, thanks for the input anon!

>>55805121
Dunno about the crack but my listening was done on an O2, the crack gives the HD600 more bass as I've heard from users and it should be expected due to its high output impedance but it should be only a few decibels, it doesn't change it into a bass monster.

The LCD-2 sounds bass oriented due to the upper midrange and lower treble being recessed. The HD600 sounds more neutral. Your call.

Budget: give me a few options in different ranges

Location: United States

Source: Phone, Computer

Size: Full size

Open/Closed: Not sure, maybe closed

Comfort level: I want something at least as comfortable as my MDR V6s

Tonal balance: I'm not sure, I guess in the neutral to bright range. I like mine, not sure where it falls.

I currently own a par of MDR V6s and I like them a lot, I just want something with Bluetooth and maybe blocks more noise. Most headphones I've tried sound bassy and almost muted

best headphones for fapping?

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Anyone excited for this one?

>>55807399
>Bright
>Source Phone
Sennheiser HD800. Can run straight off of your phone.