Nvidia: >1060 >1070 >1080 >now a fucking new Titan

my thoughts exactly

>>55695507
Nvidia also owns the professional gpgpu sector.

they are bankrupt and finished. period

>More paper launches
>Massive shill campaign
Nvidia is scared shitless by Polaris.

>>55695507
really fires up your neurons, huh

>>55695507
NVidia:
>1080/1070 announcement.

AMD:
>Oh shit. Get as much power out of the 480 as you can. I don't care if we cannot get the final version through QA until three weeks from now. DO IT!

Nvidia:
>1080 a smash hit in power and performance.
>1070 a great success for the midrange cards.

AMD:
>480 a middling mess of PCIe overcurrent, missing its TDP, and uninspiring performance.

Nvidia:
>1060 released is an acceptable low cost card in price performance especially for its low power draw.
>TITAN X announced

Now I imagine it is likely at AMD:
>We need Vega to produce. I don't care if you have to turn it into our version of Fermi and use angel's blood for TIM and have to use 3x8pins get it up to at least somewhere near Titan X.
>Fuck I hope the 1080Ti doesn't actually have HBM2 memory.

>>55695665
>Make vega good, no matter what! Also do it fast enough so I can go home and sell my shares in AMD

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AMD headquarters at the moment

When is Nvidia's earnings report? We'll see if they actually moved GPUs around or was it really a paper launch.

>>55695507
You know whats fucking weird?

This isn't the full chip

Pascal has a granularity of 640 shaders by design, but they can bin down by 128 shaders at a time, 1060 has 2 GPC, 1070 has 4 GPC - 5 groups of 128 shaders, 1080 has 4 GPC, this thing has 6 GPC

but if you do the math, this thing is missing 2 groups of 128 shaders

Thats actually the same number that was cut off the Titan X for the 980 Ti


It's going to be another fucking original Titan scenario, where they'll come out with something like the 1080 Ti which is fully enabled then a Titan X Black or some shit which is fully enabled with 24gb of memory or something retarded.

just wait for ____

- AMD

>>55695717
>but they can bin down by 128 shaders at a time,

SM size was changed to 64 with pascal, P100 and the new titan x both have 4 of the 60 SMs on the die disabled.

>>55695665
>dumb invidiot
>you

>>55695717
This is what I hate about nvidia. They make fantastic hardware, but their jewish business practices suck hairy balls.

>>55695742
wow you told him!

>>55695744
>thinking any other company is different
lel just lel kid

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>>55695630
Sure

>>55695736
No it's still 128, not sure where you got 64 from.

>>55695756
I know others companies do it, but none do it quite so bad as nvidia. If nvidia were doing circumcisions, they wouldn't stop with the tip, they'd cut at the base.

>>55695665
>HBM2 memory.

nice meme

>>55695507
Can Nvidiots please just be banned from this board already?

>>55695793
Still won't help AMD's sales though, even if AMD has 100% shill marketshare on /g/.

>>55695785
If Nvidia had real competition they wouldn't be able to get away with treating consumers the way they do.

Then again Intel doesn't have real competition either and they're not nearly as bad.

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>>55695630 (You)

AMD is actually bankrupt and finished this time

>>55695744
so antisemitic, can't believe someone would say such a thing

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>>55695826 (You)

>>55695817
I think even if nvidia had good competition, they'd still be using ultra-jewish tactics

>>55695507
>>55695595
AMD owns gayman consoles. And the mobile market.

Nvidia is a joke.

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>>55695856

>>55695507
>>55695665

nvidia is rushing their cards because they know they can't dx12 and vulkan and async. They need to sell these non dx12 paperweight so they can build their Volta, which hopefully can async and dx12/vulkan

>>55695790
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10433/nvidia-announces-pci-express-tesla-p100

>>55695872
OY VEY

>>55695879
>consoles
AMD was the lowest bidder, they make cents on each console.

>Mobile market
What? You mean the other big aggressively razor-thin margin market?

>>55695903
>nvidia is rushing their cards because they know they can't dx12 and vulkan and async.
Why do you perpetuate lies? 1060 beats the 480 in Time Spy (inbefore nvidia biased benchmark) and gains 5.4% or so with async on in test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTJPp7WdEBs

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>>55695507
>>55695621
>>55695693
>>55695813
>>55695839
>AMD reports first quarterly net income since 2014
>Revenue up
>Cash reserves up
>No debt due till 2019
>beating analyst expectations again and again
>tfw owning AMD stock

>>55695960
>AMD reports first quarterly net income since 2014
>It's like $30,000

In the meantime, intel is making hundreds of millions a quarter

>>55695706
>not in stock for 5 more days
>$100 over their own fucking MSRP
you fucking tell me.

>>55695507
thats the beatuy of actually starting with the lowest cards at first...

you can literally make your top ones faster than them instead of gimping the low ones with no sli in order for you not have an internal competition..

>>55695954
you mean emulated async/pre emption? True async is nonexistent on nvidia hardware

>>55695879

AMD is the Lowest Bidder thats why consoles go for it.

they would lowball the as much as possible just to have that market.

>>55695975
AMD investors at this stage are real easy to impress, so he might be on to something here.

This might be the final hump in their stock before they fade off forever.

>>55695960
Depends which accounting method you choose to use. GAAP shows a net profit, whereas non-GAAP shows a net loss.

>>55696000
still beating analyst expectations
still on track for the non-GAAP profitability AMD targeted for Q3

>>55695986
oh so that's why AMD announced the 470 and 460 months ago lmao

>>55695990
>you mean emulated async/pre emption?
No I mean async.

>True async is nonexistent on nvidia hardware
>muh no true scottsman
> I’d consider the changes to work scheduling to be the other great change to the overall Pascal core architecture. With Pascal, NVIDIA has significantly improved their ability to allocate and balance workloads, which in turn has ramifications in several difference scenarios. But for the AnandTech audience the greatest significance is going to be in what it means for work concurrency when using asynchronous compute.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/9

>1070
>"mid range card"

yeah sure. unfortunately, for poorfags like me, I don't have the money for the so called "mid range card". the real mid range card for me that I'd go for is the 1060 or the RX 480. but since the rx 480 shows promising performance under Vulkan, I'll go with that.
Nvidia will make the 1060 slow soon, like they did with the 7xx series.
>daily reminder that your card will be good only for the next 1.5 years:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s

>>55696015
>still on track for the non-GAAP profitability AMD targeted for Q3
Definitely. The majority of 480's are being sold as OEM to HP, Dell etc. Q3 earnings should be significantly higher.

>>55696017
do you see any top end amd gpu yet? no the only info we have about vega is that they will be from 15 to 18 billion transistors that is the only thing we actually know so far

>>55696032
AMD is simply incapable of making a top end gpu
>lol just glue two cards together and call it fury

>>55696022
https://twitter.com/pellynv/status/702556025816125440
Sean Pelletier from nVidia even says there is no async

>>55695773
You're right but he is talking about how the SMs behave like linked dual-64-unit clusters.

>>55696045
i dont know about that seems like fury x is far away nowdays than 980ti.. especially when you put dx12 and vulcan..

>>55696049
>is not enabled on the driver side.
What does this have to do with hardware support, ie. it is not on the driver side because it is on the hardware side?

>>55695879
>Mobile GPU Market
Nah, that would be various Chin Chongs, Qualcomm, Samsung and Apple with bongs' PowerVR

>>55696063
nvidia way of doing async is what time spy does..

literally making the paraller nature of dx12/vulcan into single path render..
thats why in every game you see maxwell cards regressing and on time spy they gain..

and thats why nvidia is saying time spy is the perfect example of async

>>55695984
Butthurt AMDshit

>>55695960
>no debt due til 2019
So why the fuck aren't they running as massive bill as possible on their hardware R&D sections?

Marketing goes so far when you don't have products on shelves and the competitors are cutting your fingers off.

>>55696076
>nvidia way of doing async is what time spy does
I'd suggest you actually read the article rather than make wild claims that are debunked in it.

>thats why nvidia is saying time spy is the perfect example of async
I don't recall nvidia saing TS is the perfect example of async. It does not take advantage of specific Nvidia optimizations just like it does not take advantage of AMD specific optimizations. That's what you get when you have both vendors working with FM to make a vendor neutral benchmark which both vendors had to approve of before it was launched.

>>55695507
And no FreeSync support. g-sync monitors are pricy as fuck.

What's the better brand for stuff like madVR/MPV video players?

>>55696076
>nvidia way of doing async is what time spy does
I almost missed this.
>inafternvidiabiasedbenchmark

>>55696099
They've either done two things:
>use basic compilers and programming schemes which might have code that does favor one hardware/ISA type
most likely
>go through every call and function to make sure nothing has a corresponding native instruction on a certain ISA
very unlikely

Truly "agnostic" code without the same time and effort to make fully optimized code is a logical fallacy

>>55696063
True Async requires either a hardware scheduler or Asynchronous Compute Engine (ACE). ACE is AMD tech however, so nvidia is left with the hardware scheduler. The last nvidia card to use a hardware scheduler was the Fermi series (GTX400 series). Pascal doesn't have it, but it has something a little different that works very similar to async, but is far less efficient.

>>55696126
Both brands are pretty good if you look at it from cost/watt/performance consideration if you don't plan on gaming. The mid-range to low-range cards handle video playback without using much power and emptying out your wallet. The 1060 is a pretty good example of that. There was a review which gave watts used in non-gaming circumstances but I cannot remember which one it was now.

>>55696149
is NNEDI3 exclusive to Nvidia? Yeah I know 1060 has better power consumption but if they are mostly "idle", they will be almost about even?

>>55696144
>hardware scheduler
You mean a dynamic scheduler which can concurrently load idle computer or graphics cores?

>Getting back to Pascal then, Pascal finally fixes the resource allocation issue. For Pascal, NVIDIA has implemented a dynamic load balancing system to replace Maxwell 2’s static partitions. Now if the queues end up unbalanced and one of the queues runs out of work early, the driver and work schedulers can step in and fill up the remaining time with work from the other queues.
Did you not read the article link provided?

>>55696161
>if they are mostly "idle", they will be almost about even?
I'm not talking only about when they are idle but also during simple web movies and shows. I'll look it up.

>>55696161
>>55696149
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07/geforce-gtx-1060-test/4/

For example I am looking at this review, but barely understand german.

>>55696161
Found it. It was TPU.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/24.html

>>55696171
Alright, thanks.

Really want to try AMD for shits and giggles

>>55695507
I'm just stoked that the Titan X will take pressure off 1080 sales and reduce prices with higher supply. Will be getting a 1080 in September.

>>55696177
holy fuck the 1060 SMASHES poojet's card

>Titan X Ultimate
>Costs as much as 2 1080s
>Is slower than 2 1080s

Before rshit 480
>oooo rshit 480 going to be so cheap strong and good
>its expensive and shit

After rshit 480
>ooooo dx 12 and vulkan going to kill nvidia haha xd


Amd autists are so deluded and retrded

>>55696243
>Amd autists
I'd suggest you just call them AMDrones if only to avoid confusing them.

>>55696164
AMDrones can't read, they can only eat shit procreate and shill

>>55696237
You can't SLI 4 1080s

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>>55696183
what the fuck is this game list

>>55696320
TPU is an nvidia shill site so they dont test vulkan or dx12 games

>>55696320
What's it look like? A collection of AAA games people are currently playing?

>>55696320
No AotS? How dare they!

What did they say about the new titan?

Where is my 1080ti?

>>55695954
http://radeon.com/radeon-wins-3dmark-dx12/

>>55696352
>they dont test vulkan
Why would they test Vulkan? For the niche market that is no way representative of the much wider gaming industry?

>or dx12 games
What is RotTR and Hitman (though they use DX11 since the DX12 version of Hitman is buggy on Nvidia hardware)?

>>55696318
True, but with no 4K 120Hz monitors and without 5K or higher really being an option either, there isn't much reason to go above 1080 SLI to Pascal Titan X SLI. Maybe if you have 3 4K monitors, but that's like the niche of a niche and 2 of these things probably won't be fast enough in that case either.

>>55696372
>radeon.com
I'm sure that won't be biased. . .

>>55696000
>the Radeon maker banked a positive GAAP net income and non-GAAP operating profit.

>>55695903
At this point it doesn't even matter on the high-end because the 1070/1080/new Titan X are so far ahead of AMD's cards it doesn't even matter if DX12 perf gain isn't that big. AMD needs to actually compete, 1080s appear to be selling like hotcakes.

>>55696352
>>55696353
>>55696361
No it's more

No Doom
No XCOM 2
No Dark Souls 3
No Total Warhammer
No Mirrors Edge Cat
No Star Wars Battlefront

but hey, fucking World of Warcraft, AssCreed (which is still broken, it wasn't just Unity), both Battlefield 3 and 4, the broken Bamham game, and Crysis 3

>>55696383
What the hell are you smoking? In some cases one 1080 unable to hold solid 60 in 1080p:

https://youtu.be/PF5j7KDb2Oo?t=303

1080 SLI barely enough for 4k@60. And you need to carefully adjust settings to get solid fps.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q4VT3AzIBXSfKZdsJF94qvlJ7Mb1VvJvLowX6dmHWVo

1060 vs 480 meta-analysis based on 240 benchmarks across 51 games.

Conclusions:

1060 is about 14% faster than 480 overall.
1060 is roughly equal with 480 in DX12 games.

>>55696425
>No Doom
>No XCOM 2
>No Dark Souls 3
>No Total Warhammer
>No Mirrors Edge Cat
>No Star Wars Battlefront
Why should they be added to the gaming suite?

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>>55696409
ok

>>55696373
what

Vulkan works on Windows 7 and above, it's got double the market as DX12

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>>55696425
>No Dark Souls 3

>>55695507
This isn't new, Nvidia released 970 and 980 first then Amd release the 390 and Fury the year after last time

>>55696433
I wonder what the difference is between his set up and Anandtech's where they were getting 114fps @1080p.

>>55696442
Take the R9 Fury X performance and double it. That's what you'll be getting with the new Titan X Ultimate coming on August 2nd.

>>55695621
Considering they own the console market (PS4,Xbox One and WiiU), they're doing fine.

Also, they supply Apple with GPUs so that's another good source of revenue.

AMD is doing just fine senpai.

>>55696445
>it's got double the market as DX12
Perhaps I misunderstand you but are you saying there are twice as many games that use Vulkan (not supports but actually uses) than use DX12?

>>55696425
>No Doom
To be included in the new bench. The amount of cards and games he benches means rebenching all of them takes 2 weeks.

Not sure why you want games like xcom 2 and ds3 benchmarked. I don't think anyone benchmarks those.

>>55696436
AMD finally released a profile for those games

I can only assume that AMD's plan was to sit comfortably in the mid range for 3-6 months while they prep their high end.

The 1060 launch torpedoed them though.

>>55696436
because they're recent graphically intensive games?

>>55696455
shit all hits the framerate cap at 4K, still good

>>55696468
Twice as many people can run a game using Vulkan than can run a game using DX12. Anyone who has a system that can currently run DX11 can run Vulkan. The addressable market is double that of DX12.

>>55696480
So these games should be added merely because AMD's performance would benefit?

The launches from both AMD and Nvidia have been severely disappointing. It's been a halving of die size and yet the prices are still as worse as they are before. In Australia the leaf blower RX 480 costs as much as a better 390 and the 1060 costs much more for barely any difference.

We will never go back to days where the top end GPU costed 200$.

>>55696482
Not like it matters at the moment when literally every new card is sold out 95% of the time.

>>55696470
XCOM 2 makes my 780 Ti shit the bed, I've got a 2560x1080 monitor and it was getting around 35 FPS

shits intensive yo

>>55696492
>We will never go back to days where the top end GPU costed 200$.
And when was this?

>>55696486
>because they're recent graphically intensive games?
And this makes them a better choice over the current games in the suite because? ? ?

>>>55696486
>Twice as many people can run a game using Vulkan
And what does that have to do with the wider gaming industry? There's really only one current title that uses Vulkan, Doom, out of the dozens of current AAA titles.

>>55696487
N-no that would be biased. Those games have excellent replay value and people play them daily.

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>>55696486
>because they're recent graphically intensive games?
>DS3
>graphically intensive
>good port

>>55696487
>he can't tell sarcasm

>>55696458

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/23
>FXAA

>>55696509
>N-no that would be biased.
So we want to have games in the collection that are generally vendor neutral?

>>55696502
1995

>>55696502
I might not be remembering it very well but I think it was around the voodoo 2 days.

>>55696486
>XCOM 2
>good performance
lmao
It's one of the few AAA PC Only games that everyone though was gonna perform godlike, and look how that shit ended up.

>>55695507
Here in the UK, the situation isn't pretty.

>GTX 1080
Sellers are still selling at too far over MSRP.
£700+

>GTX 1070
Hard to find stock and the stock that you do find is substantially above MSRP £430+

>GTX 1060
Damn near impossible to find stock that is anywhere near MSRP. £280+ for a decent brand.

>RX 480
Near impossible to find stock. The stock that is available is significantly above MSRP at £240+

The only good looking option now is the GTX 970 which is £180.

What do you guys think? Should I get the 970 for £180 or go for the RX 480 for £240?

The 1060 is nice but most are around the £280 mark which is too high for my liking.

>>55696512
>implying stupid shit fanboys say is sarcasm
That smacks of LOL I TROL U!!!!1!11!

>>55696519
Preferably with no tessellation.

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>>55696506
Technically, there's Talos Principle too.

>>55696502
I can remember $300 top end but not $200

>>55696524
my $600 Imagine II 128 disagrees with that statement

>>55696529
If you really want to try AMD why not get the 390?

Think I am gonna end up going with 1060 even though I feel like I will be missing out on DX12
but as of right now 1060 is in fact the better card.

>>55695665
You can bet Nvidia will drop 1080TI on the market as soon as AMD rolls out Vegas.

>>55696532
Preferably with no unnecessary tessellation I hope you mean?

>>55696536
Remind me. Isn't Talos Principle's version kind of like bolting on a turbo to a Toyota?

>>55696492
The 390x non-reference (£260) was literally £10 more brand new than the RX 480 non-reference (£250).

Damn straight I got the 390x. It's a great card still with good overclocking capabilities. (Considering how it itself is basically a 290x+)

>>55696502
HD 7970 was so bad, nvidia decided to use their midrange GK104, the supposed to be GTX 660 and turn it to a GTX 680.

>>55696548
Or maybe Nvidia is holding off announcing the 1080Ti for when AMD announces Vega?

>>55696542
The R9 390 is the same price as the RX 480 in the UK.

>>55696549
>Remind me. Isn't Talos Principle's version kind of like bolting on a turbo to a Toyota?
It's more like sleeping in a $10000 bed, only to wake up in the morning and find you shit the bed

>>55696560
GK100 had a really bad process error that required a base layer respin, hence GK110

It was delayed because it wasn't functional.

>>55696529
I got a 390x for £260 brand new.
I'm pretty happy with it.
390's have been as low as £200.

>>55696561
>vega
>zen
>trump second term

I'm so excited

>>55696562
Dam, I don't know what to tell you man, sorry.
I sold my 970 for 210 the other.

>>55696571
Well, either way we describe it I wouldn't include it in consideration.

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>>55696581
MAKE AMD GREAT AGAIN!

>>55696549
necessary or unnecessary, nvidia is simply stronger at tesselation.
>muh too much async
necessary or unnecessary, amd is simply stronger at async

>>55696589
It's like spaghetti on noodles. Bad code on top of bad code.

>>55696579
Is the 390x better than the RX 480?

I ask this as the price of the 390x (£260) is right in the middle of the RX480(£240) and GTX 1060.(£280)

>>55696529
Can't you just put in an order for something like this and wait a few weeks?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-geforce-gtx-1060-gt-oc-6144mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-32s-ms.html

>>55696433
>carefully adjust settings
By that I assume you mean "don't go full retard with 8x MSAA at 4K because you can't see it anyway." Yeah, that's true, you need a slight bit of common sense instead of OCD that compels you to drag every slider all the way to the right, despite not actually making any visual difference on a high-DPI display.

>>55696442
I hope you're posting that to make the 480 look good and not the Fury X.

>>55696603
>Is the 390x better than the RX 480?
Yes. And you can halve the temps by slapping a NZXT G10 and an AIO on it.

>>55696609
not the anon you're replying to but

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/terms-and-conditions

OCUK preorder system is poor at best. I 100% guarantee you that you'll be waiting for months for stock to arrive and when it does, the price is guaranteed to be higher than that advertised.

OCUK preorders are not reliable.

>>55696529
Plenty of 1070s on scan for ~£380

>>55696237
>Bugatti Veyron
>Top speed twice as much as my Honda
>Costs about 500 times more
Shit car this Veyron thing, am I right?

>>55696529
Not this anon, but also from the UK.

I don't have much money so here are my two options.

I've currently got a GTX 770.

Should I get a 970 for £180 or is it worthwhile me pulling together more funds for the RX 480 which is £240.

I like AMD and Nvidia equally so brand isn't an issue.
Which do you think I should get and why?

>>55696642
What about scan?

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/msi-geforce-gtx-1060-6gt-oc-6gb-gddr5-vr-ready-graphics-card-1280-core-1544mhz-gpu-1759mhz-boost

Same one for about the same price, they say they're getting some tomorrow.

Never had problems with buying shit that was out of stock where I live (Finland). Gf bought a 1070 shortly after their release when a huge amount of them were backordered. Ended up taking like 3 weeks, but no problems otherwise.

>>55696603
Yeah it's better. A good non-reference model can be overclocked quite comfortably as well. (Though it's going to get hot even with the best fan cooling solution. The 290/390 family runs hotter than other cards)
On standard clock, custom fan settings (default ones are usually bad, fan speed needs to curve up from about 45 degrees), at full load it gets to about 71 degrees.
You can do what >>55696618, and put a custom cooler on it if you are that worried about temps and want to push it as hard as you can, but for the most part you probably won't need to.
You need the space for it though. It's a pretty big card as is (my Asus Strix 390x barely fits in my mid-tower case. Like millimeters between it and the HDD drive bays).

>>55695665
>1070 a great success for the midrange cards.

It's not midrange with that price tag.

>>55696681
Veyron's are a meme car. I wouldn't buy one.

Would rather own a Civic.

>>55696703
Personally, I'd rather buy a 911 Turbo S. It's a fraction of a second slower to 60.

>>55696695
Also it's pretty power hungry.
I got a 750w power supply though, so it's a non-issue to me.

>>55696598
>necessary or unnecessary, nvidia is simply stronger at tesselation.
If it is necessary we should not include it because, regardless of its necessity, Nvidia is better at handling tessellation calculations?

>muh too much async
I don't believe that has been argued yet as each card is different in efficiency.

>>55696682
I wouldn't recommend a 970 for futureproofing reasons.

I'd gather more funds for an RX 480 or GTX 1060, with slight preference on the latter if your CPU isn't that up to date. I'd also wait for non-reference 480s.

>>55696144
true async needs a hardware sc and a form of ACE or HWS (nowdays) to properly load the cores
BUT
the problem is that the cores needs to be flebixle enough in order to do it which in the case of nvidia they arent

>>55696614
>go full retard with 8x MSAA at 4K because you can't see it anyway
It's true when you use something like 24"@4k
It you use 48"@4k you have exactly the same pixel density as 24"@1080p.

>>55696701
$380 is not mid-range? What do you consider is mid-range? $200? I'd consider that low range.

>>55696767
>the problem is that the cores needs to be flebixle enough in order to do it which in the case of nvidia they arent
There's that lie again which was debunked and a citation provided.

>>55696353
so according to you people still play
bf3
anno
crysis 3
and batman arkham lagknight

according to steam spy all of them together barely reaches aots nowdays and aots is barely being played since its a 4X game..

>>55696767
>the problem is that the cores needs to be flebixle enough in order to do it which in the case of nvidia they arent
The best analogy I've read of Nvidia's handling, is like a set of traffic lights controls the flow of traffic back and forth, whereas AMD is like a highway which adds multiple lanes that flow freely.

>>55696746
>CPU isn't that up to date

what is considered "up to date?"

>>55696804
I don't know if they still play but they certainly did play them. I'm not suggesting that the suite couldn't use an update but that is neither here nor there.

>>55696815
Not up to date: Things worse than an OC'd 2500k
Slightly not up to date: Things worse than Haswell

>>55696829
>Slightly not up to date: Things worse than Haswell
I went from Lynnfield (i5 760 @3.6Ghz) to Skylake (i5 6500 @stock) and there was a huge improvement to everything.

The thing is NVIDIA cards prices have gone way over the top.

Here:
>1080 costs +700€
>1070 costs +500€
>rx480 and 1060 cost +280€

fuck this shit.

>>55696787
Well 1070 costs +500€ here. 970 launch was 350-400€ here.

>>55696859
I meant things falling between and OC'd 2500k and Haswell.

i5 760 belongs to the not up to date category, as it's significantly worse than an OC'd 2500k.

>>55696877
>Well 1070 costs +500€ here
Whose fault is it that your nation decided to add a VAT if not also an import tax on tech products from America? And I wonder how the Euro is compared to the USD now. . .

>>55696864
>>55696877
you can't directly convert US prices unless you factor in tax and average income.
Compare ordering a pizza in switzerland and poland. you pay twice as much for the same, but the average income is also much higher, so it negates itself out and both pay approximately the same.

>>55696944
>>55696935
Yes but I can compare 970 and 1070 launch prices and 970 was over 100€ less.

>>55696971
inflation happens, I got a 15% raise over the last 2 years because of that but I now pay 14 euros instead of 11 for a haircut.

>>55696982
Actually there have been deflation in Eurozone and ECB is fighting against it.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/eurozone-slides-back-into-deflation-1463561999

>>55696982
>inflation

Do you even watch news nigger? Euro zone have been fighting against deflation for many years now.

>>55696971
What does that have to do with what is or is not considered "midranged?" And here in the states, the differrence between the 970's MSRP and the 1070's MSRP is a mere $50.

>>55697053
I consider mid range between 300-400€ not over 500€.

>>55697047
Seems like it's not working, my bills increase almost yearly.

>>55697053
1070 costs over 450$ and 970 was 300$.

>>55697053
Nah, https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gtx+1070

1070 is 100-150$ more than 970 was.

>>55697053
970 actually sold for its MSRP at release. The cheapest 1070 is $400.

>>55696944
>live in eastern eu
>earn 1/10 for the same job as an US citizen
>every single computer part costs at least 50% more than in the US
why is this allowed?

>be in Canada
>cheapest 1080 is $1200 after taxes
What did they mean by this?

>>55697303
Because you're in the common EU market. They can't sell shit for 1/10th of the price or people from the rich EU countries would just buy from your shops and entirely bypass the prices they should actually be paying for.

If they sold you a 1080 for 200EUR, then people from Germany would just buy it from your shop for 200EUR rather than spending 700-800EUR in their own country.

>>55697385
GIB GTX1080 FOR €200 NOW!!!!

>>55696076
>nvidia way of doing async is what time spy does..
See >>55696372
There is no "nvidia way of async" in the application side, the application just submits work to queues, the drivers and hardware handle that work in a way that you cannot affect or even observe. All you can observe is the increased frames, 5% for Pascal, 12% for AMD, and 0% for Maxwell.

>literally making the paraller nature of dx12/vulcan into single path render..
You blatantly don't know what a "single code path" is.

>>55696486
More systems that can run Vulkan does not necessarily mean that more game devs will support it. Devs might also go to DX12 for the Microsoft support. I don't know how many game devs are planning to use DX12 vs. Vulkan - do you have factual data on this?

>>55696746
I've got an i7 2600k w/Noctua D14.

I'm pretty out of date.

>>55697385
This would be true if electronics in Germany and Austria wasn't generally cheaper than in Eastern Europe, even if they have the same VAT. If electronics (or anything else other than living expenses) were cheaper in Eastern Europe, that would be very stimulating for their income. I'm not talking about 1/10 of the price, but 10% discount would do something.

Tbh, I'm skipping this generation totally because of the jew prices in here.

What it used to be

>x70 400 bucks
>x80 500 bucks
>x80ti 600-700 bucks
>Titan 1000 bucks

Now

>1070 over $500
>1080 almost $900
>Titan $1500

JUST FUCK MY PRICES UP, NVIDIA.

>>55697586
This

>>55697482
I live in Eastern Europe too, the prices are generally similar to those in Western countries, at least where I live the price hikes are most often due to greedy as fuck shops. That doesn't change the fundamental fact that products like these can only ever be sold for (approximately, not exactly) the same price they go for in the rest of the EU. Goes for digital products like video games too.

>>55697586
>1070 over $500
They start at $400, though.

>>55697638
Not in burgerland, friend.

Nvidia still has nothing to compete with the RX 460 and RX 470.

>>55697692
There's a gigabyte card that goes for $400 on newegg, though it's out of stock at the moment.

For things in stock, there are things like
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125871
for $430 and
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126112
for $410

>>55697709

the what?

>>55697713
>that bargain bin cooler
yeah nah

>>55697586
This is what happens when they don't have proper competition. If AMD could get their act together, I imagine then we'll see better prices.

>>55696237
Machine learning is the future, bruh.

>>55696276
>Implying nVidiots don't

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>>55697879
When the card draws this little power, there's no need for an expensive cooler, really.

>>55696442
>no 1060 comparison

>>55698123
Damn, that's pretty good. Almost gaming laptop tier.
How the fuck did AMD fuck up so badly in terms of power consumption?

>tfw even the 970 prices haven't even fallen than much

nvidia's prices are so fucked
I'm not sure I can bring myself to spend close to $500 for a single graphics card

>>55698183
Literally Indians. However it's not meant in a racist way, they just hired the cheapest engineers to design it.

>>55695630
LMAO

>>55698183
because AMD GPUs are doing more work per cycle.

>>55697942
Nvidia doesn't need to make fair prices. 780ti cost a good $100 more than 290x and yet sold better.
Today we all know which is the better card.

>>55698281
290X could've had a better image.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5YJsMaT_AE

>>55695507
Everything kyle said in blogpost was right.

Polaris is significantly slower, hotter and less power efficient than Pascal.

And ofcourse AMD is trying to spin it like it was their plan all along.

Which is bullshit ofcourse, they would have loved to have a fast product to match the 1080/1070 and then be able to cut it down and make a 480.

It looks like Nvidia finaly broke them this year.

>>55698223
They are all Asians, dumbass.

>>55698336
Stupid assumption, the die size is much smaller with Polaris than Pascal.

>>55698336
>Advertised as mid range cheapo card
>Does what was advertised
>They are trying to spin it

You people act like GTX1070 and GTX1080 is not just die shrink maxwell, fury and furyx is still capable to fight with 1070 and beat 1080 in Vulkan/DX12.

Waiting 1080Ti or full gp100 chip

>>55698377
There literally is nothing wrong with a die shrink Maxwell.

Maxwell was already miles ahead of AMD in terms of performance/watt.

Point in case, AMD reaches the same level of efficiency on their 480 on 14nm as a 2 year old 970 does on 28nm

And no a fury x DOES NOT beat a 1080 in dx12, where do you get this bullshit, that doesn't even happen in Ashes of the Singularity

>>55695507
>Titan X Ultimate
*orgasms*

>>55695507
>Are AMD even trying?
that's what you get for having pajeets in charge of anything

>>55698367
>the die size is much smaller with Polaris than Pascal.
There is no point for it being smaller, since the architecture is made simple as a brick.
They cut production costs so hard the polaris GPUs have +50%. ASIC spread. That's why the stock voltage on the 480 is so high.

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>>55698377
>beat 1080 in Vulkan/DX12
Yah keep dreaming AMDrone

>>55698377
>muh vulkan/dx12
This is literally the last hope madfags have and even then, they cannot match their Nvidia counterparts. I can only imagine when the 1070/1080 Ti comes out, it will be the final nail in the coffin for the mid to high end gpu market for AMD. Vega isn't even going to come out til next year, so the next 5 months is going to be absolute slaughter for AMD, those tiny profit margins of the RX 480 certainly ain't helping.

>>55698432
Polaris was only for low range 460-70-80.

You don't need a fuck huge die for that.
See:1060

>>55698427
nm doesn't matter, why AMD cards take more power is because they do more.

look at gtx1060 at 2,100Mhz, it's running fast and yields 20% of efficiency over stock card.

600Mhz to yield what AMDs 200Mhz does.

This is why AMD is more hot, because it does actual work every cycle.

>>55698452
they should've put at least some effort into it, instead of making a horrible chinese quality-tier cards, then making them more expensive than the competition.

>>55698446
DELETE THIS

>>55698446
>>55698443
>We don't like benefits of low level API

I forgot i was on /g/ - Consumer Hardware

>>55698457
Dude, you're talking out of your ass, stop it

So when is 1080Ti coming out? I want one to finally drive a 4K monitor.

>>55698476
Check any overclocking of both cards you will come to same conclusion, unless you are having your green tinted glasses on.

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There is one simple reason why I can't buy most AMD cards, and that is pic related.

As someone who actually pays for electricity, I take long term costs into account. With the dual monitors I use, RX 480, for example, consumes 34W more than 1060 while idling. 34W might not seem that much to you, nothing but a light bulb, but you should try actually doing the math.

Say I keep my computer on for 16 hours a day, every day, and it's always idling, and that I keep my GPU for about 3 years before upgrading. During this time, an RX 480 would consume (40W * 60s * 60 * 24 * 365) = 3.78 gigajoules of energy. This is equal to roughly 1050 kWh. Something like 13 cents/kWh is a pretty common price of electricity in the US (I actually live in yurop where it's more expensive). This would give RX 480 an additional price tag of $137. On the other hand, a GTX 1060 would cost a mere $20 extra.

As someone who has more than enough wealth at the moment to buy any GPU, I can't see a single reason to buy something that ends up costing me $100 extra in the long term. It's like paying with credit that incurs interest when you could easily pay the whole sum immediately.

>>55698474
I didn't say anything against low level APIs. It's just sad that even with these benefits, AMD still can't match the performance of Nvidia's counterparts.

>>55698480
3 months after Titan X most likely, this is how it was with 7 and 9 series.

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>>55698457
Reading this made me slightly stupider.

>>>55698488

Post speccy

>>55698504
I'm on my laptop. Sorry.

>>55698483
Any sane person would come to the conclusion that efficiency (performance per watt) is significantly lower on Polaris versus Pascal.

The 1070 uses the same amount of power as a 480 but literally assgapes it.

What clockspeeds it needs to deliver is literally irrelevant, because Pascal can deliver those clockspeeds while Polaris can't, which is why we see that Polaris is a terrible overclocking architecture.

>>55698488
>being a poorfag
Nvidia is perfect for jobless losers like you.

>>55698522
If you were rich, why would you buy AMD?

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Reminder that the GTX 1060 was meant to ship with 8GB of VRAM but Nvidia had to remove 2GB at the last minute to save costs. They didn't even have time to change the PCB.

RX 480 literally caught Nvidia with their pants down.

>>55698517
I never said Pascal wasn't power efficient I explained why rx is power hungry.

>it's terrible overclocker
>it does more with less

No, if anyone is terrible overclocker its the 1060, both of them have comparable 20% max yield of OCing.

>>55698565
They removed the 2 GiB slower VRAM to not here the memes again.

>>55695507
Compare the sales of the original titan x, the 980 ti and the 980 with the sales of the 970, 960 and the 950. People who buy high end GPUs are just a very vocal minority. AMD's trying to improve their financial condition by catering to the majority of people and it is seemingly working. See >>55695960.

Releasing a high end card that less people would buy wouldn't really be a smart move from a business standpoint.

>>55698513
Too poor for a desktop?
Nvidia not paying as much for each shill post?
You sure didn't take into account the nvidia/Europe tax you will pay extra

>>55698565
If 1060 was meant to have 8 GB vram, it wouldn't have a 192-bit bus.

>>55695630
>>More paper launches

I don't think you know what a paper launch is.
All three of their consumer cards are already for sale right now.

>>55698546
You fried his amdead brain, should go easy on these dying company ass lickers

>>55698587
They cut down the bus to improve yields.

>>55698585
The GTX 1060 is only 10€ more expensive than the RX 480 in Germany.

http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/6144MB-MSI-GeForce-GTX-1060-6GT-OC-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_1114180.html
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8192MB-MSI-Radeon-RX-480-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0--Retail-_1110489.html

>>55698585
The cheapest RX 480 here is about 280€. That's with the reference cooler. The cheapest 1060 on the other hand is 290€.

>>55698574
>I explained why rx is power hungry.

Yeah, because it's an inferior architecture for what its meant to do, producing as much fps as possible with as little powerdraw/heat output.

Your whole idiotic rant about trying to pull some bullshit clockspeed/performance thingy out of your ass like it matters at all for the discussion is typical for AMDrones.

Nobody is going to look at a card and say, oh this card that is more powerful and uses less power is inferior to this other card that is less powerful and uses more power because it uses higher clockspeeds.

That's literally your argument, and its incredibly stupid.

>>55698627
Still €250 more than you can afford.

You don't even own a desktop

>>55698605

They mean Nvidia have launched the card knowingly not having enough stock to to meet demand, which is why most sites say all the cards are out of stock or still pre-order this is called a paper launch.

>>55698627
Actually 30€ more than a Sapphire Nitro RX 480
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4096MB-Sapphire-Radeon-RX-480-Nitro-OC--4GB-GDDR5--DVI--2x-HDMI--2x-Disp_1114532.html

>>55698662
RX 480 is no different.

https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/amd/rx480

Things run out of stock at launch. This isn't anything new.

>>55698646
I didn't rant, I explained to why it is so. You stupid motherfucker.

my argument is "it does more per cycle thus takes more power" nothing else, there wasn't hidden agenda behind it.

Your stupid ass makes this shit up and then projects your strawman on me, I didn't make any claim other than what I did.

>>55698336
>Everything kyle said

WHO
........THE
...............FUCK
.........................IS
..............................KYLE

>>55696944
>1080 costs as much as a 980 ti after its launch
>1070 costs as much as a 980 after its launch
>1060 costs as much a 970 after its launch

I guess that's what we get when there isn't any proper competition.

>>55698691
Holy shit you're one dense motherfucker.

I'll lay it out for you one more time, and then I'm done spoonfeeding you information that should be obvious.

Comparing clockspeeds between different architectures and especially between brands is useless.

Your argument that AMD uses more power because it 'does more' is literally retarded.

You're taking a metric that does not matter.

What matters when you buy a graphics card?

- How much FPS it produces (Performance).
- How much power it needs to do it (Efficiency).

That's it, that's literally all that matters when you buy a graphics card for gaming.

And Pascal > Polaris, in a big way.

>>55698730
None of these are true.

>>55698746
>That's it, that's literally all that matters when you buy a graphics card for gaming.
There is also temps/noise, reliability, driver support.

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>>55698605
euroman here

both 480 and all 1000 series are 2 week waits unless you get lucky.

>>55698662
Stupid goy, you can get the 1060fe for only $300 right now on nvidias site.


>>55698696
The owner of a site that tested the 1060 at -7%? Vs 480.

>>55698746
>Comparing clockspeeds between different architectures and especially between brands is useless.

No it's not, fuck off. It quite clearly shows complexity of instruction sets.

>Polaris is less power effictient
Yes, it is
>Polaris gets less FPS
Depends on the game engine and how much instruction sets it uses from your GPU.

rx480 is more powerful GPU than gtx1060 when used to full potential.

Thus rx480 is not less power efficient but actually has same power efficiency because it does more.

Thus you are a retard who doesn't understand simple things.

>>55698790
Yes, obviously, but not performance/clock, as that idiot implied

>>55698801
>Depends on the game engine and how much instruction sets it uses from your GPU.

>rx480 is more powerful GPU than gtx1060 when used to full potential.

>Thus rx480 is not less power efficient but actually has same power efficiency because it does more.

Do you live in some kind of alternative reality?

>>55696075
Guess who owns PowerVR SGX

>Out of Stock
>Out of Stock
>Out of Stock

How many months does it take for new sets of cards to normalize from gougers?

>>55698801
This has to be a joke.

>>55698681
>4gb

a supposedly $199 card for 249 euro. Isn't that just great?

>>55698825
no, you do.
Instruction sets are important.
Imagine your CPU without any of them or OS that doesn't use them.
You CPU efficiency will drop like a fucking rock.

This is exactly what is happening with rx480 and any GCN GPUs for that matter, no software is using it's instruction set and it's efficiency is dropped like a rock, only option GCN cards have is to brute force themselves.

>>55698855
Miners seem to like the 480

>>55698863
It's like you haven't heard of vat or exchange rates or something

>>55698865
So it's a poorly designed product

Nvidia are just a bunch of jews wtf do they need all those new cards for. They are playing you fucks like a fiddle. And been promising each next card was going to be the 4k capable card that you want.

Why are you shilling these fucks so hard we dont even need know what fucking new card is being released 100x a day everyday.

Fuck off

>>55698791
Another euroman here.

I see 1070s in stock (480€ for founders, 500€ for some inno3d). Some decent ones have a week's wait. Decent 1080s also in stock. Situation with 1060s and 480s a bit worse.

I cant wait until AMD dies this can only be a good thing for me the consumer

>>55698886
Do you understand basics of computing at all?
Would you say that i7-2600k is poorly designed product because it uses SSE instruction set?

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>>55698881
VAT and exchange rates affected the 1060 very litte.
$249 MSRP, 279 euro AIB retail price.

What's even the point of buying a slower and power hungries card for more than the 1060?

8gb AIB card preorders are in.
299, 319 and 329 euros.

You get the same performance for 279 from nvidia.
480 is officially the worst card in the this decade.

>>55698919
If a product is designed in such a way that it cannot perform optimally with the software it runs with then it's a poorly designed product yes.

It's like building a car for people with 4 legs, because it would be more efficient/powerful. And then complaining it's the peoples fault for not having 4 legs.

>>55698917
I can't wait till they die either. No competition has always historically brought lower prices and higher performance, always.

>>55698865
You have an extremely subpar understanding of GPUs and how they work. It's as if you learned a few terms but didn't learn how they fit together, so you make shit up and hope people don't call you out on it. You're the epitome of mount stupid.

>>55698953
Any CPU/GPU/MCU what ever else, you have ever used, has instruction sets, basically whole Electronics computing industry is badly designed according to you.

You are literally the most retarded person I have even had honour to talk with.

>>55698917
Same here. If AMD dies, Intel and Nvidia will be split which means we have actually competent companies competing instead of this sad situation we have now.

>>55698974
https://developer.amd.com/wordpress/media/2012/10/R700-Family_Instruction_Set_Architecture.pdf

have a read, maybe you will learn something.

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>>55698974
Well then why don't you explain you fucking genius

>>55698996
>>55698917
AMD needs to die so whatever GPU talent from ATI days can go to Intel where they will be able finally compete with Nvidia

>>55698996
How would you split Intel?
How would you split nvidia?

>>55698996
Yes they will be split like Comcast was split

>>55699016
Why would intel need to do that? They can use the GPU resources to monopolize the console market and leave the pc market alone. There wouldn't even be a need to compete with ngreedia, and we'd be worse off for it.

>>55698989
>buuhuu I no likey what you say!!
Stay salty faggot.

Be honest, you know you came up with a useless metric. Nobody fucking cares about mhz/performance on GPU's. What people actualy care about is performance/watt.

It's the only sensible metric to use when comparing two different architectures, when deciding which is superior.

When making your decision which to buy, you'd also look at performance/dollar. But that says nothing about which Architecture is superior.

>>55699016
Eh, I'm not putting too much hope in Intel. Their Integrated solutions are dog shit in power efficiency.
A Skylake Iris Pro uses 48W to match the performance of a 940M that uses only 25W on the old as fuck 28nm process.
Intel has a long way to go in the GPU world.

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>>55699052
You guys are flinging shit over like a -5% difference between the two
>>55699016
They are all young Asians

>>55698377
>>55698446
http://radeon.com/radeon-wins-3dmark-dx12/

>>55699103
>radeon wins
>t: AMD

>>55699121
>time spy is cheating somebody call raja
>t: amdfan conspiracy theorists

>>55699103
>http://radeon.com/radeon-wins-3dmark-dx12/
>The results from our own performance labs (shown above) reinforce the notion that Radeon graphics cards are a premiere platform for DirectX 12 content.

What a surprising conclusion

>>55699052
as owned of GTX780"FE", i can tell you that people are looking into what is future holding.

GTX780 was a mistake to buy, it's worse than midrange card next generation.

if GTX1060 is worth money and next generation is going to be in position of GTX780 in GTX9xx is it worth it?

>>55699092
5% difference in what?

>>55696081
that's what they've been doing for half a decade

Polaris was years in the making and Zen will have taken even longer

AMD is going all in

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>>55699164
I don't understand wtf you are trying to say

>>55699052
>What people actualy care about is performance/watt.
are you literally retarded? people want framerates. not to save 2$ a year on electricity.

real world performance always was and always will be the main metric.

>>55699197
I care more about silence than a few extra FPS.
A power hungry housefire is always loud.

>>55699175
basically, GTX780 is shit nowadays, it was shit when GTX780Ti came out, buying it was not a wise investment.

are you sure there wont be GTX1060Ti like there was with GTX760 or GTX960 that will turn the card in absolute shit?

>>55699197
>people want framerates.
Right, which is why Nvidia wins

>>55699213
you can decimate 200w with passive cooling.
This has nothing to do with watts only with cooling unit itself.

>>55699213
if we were talking about older GCN gens then I'd perfectly agree but as far as db and perf/watt goes, the 480 is peanuts away from the 1060.

if you are basing your decision on that not which GPU is best at running the games you play, then you're a complete and utter moron.

>>55699225
you could at least have posted that BF3 benchmark. earn your damn rupees

>>55699224
The 80's series cards always are the worst card to buy, they have the highest value degredation because of the ti model that comes out later.

The best performance/dollar Nvidia cards are always the 70's and the 80ti cards.

>>55699255
>you could at least have posted that BF3 benchmark. earn your damn rupees
Are you denying Pascal is faster than Polaris?

A minute ago you were saying people only care about frames.

You keep getting BTFO and then trying to move the goalpost

>>55699165
Frame rates. All the bench's pretty much show comparable fps. Nothing is much below 60fps and above 144. It would be impossible to notice 65fps vs 72 or whatever outside of a chart.

People self identify with the card they buy. They imagine if one product is slightly slower, they themselves are inadequate. It's just a dick measuring contest between small men. It's the only explanation for the passionate discourse between two very good, capable products.

>tfw gtx 1060s are $450-500 cards
gtx 1070s are $750-850 cards
gtx 1080s are $1150-1250 cards

Aus Sucks

>>55699293
5% is an understatement, and it isn't only more powerful, it also uses less power, produces less heat and overclocks better.

Yeah no shit that it won't matter for most people, this is a technology board, we discuss technology here. And then little things matter.

>>55696787
Good luck buying a 1080 at $380, dickhead.

>>55699300
Your not poor are you?

>>55699312

I'm pretty unconvinced that the 1060 destroys the 480 as much as the shills say. It's really not that big of a deal between the two. Pretty much the same in the real world.

>>55698611

Memory buses are one of the very worst offenders for power consumption. However, thanks to Nvidia's superior memory compression algorithm, 192-bit is still very much plenty, and likewise 6GB is also more than enough for the level of performance the card offers.

The only reason why you might want more mem BW and capacity is for multi-card builds, and almost no one cares about that, especially when it's still decently sufficient for a 2-card build, which is pretty much 99% of the tiny niche that is multicard builds.

>>55699346
No it doesn't destroy it, but it's its direct competitor and it does beat it

>>55699366
In some games, not in others. Depends on who tested it. Hardocp has the 480 better than 1060 oddly enough. It's only 7%, really. I doubt anyone would notice that in a game.

Nvidia lied to you all with their fake graphs a few weeks ago, and everyone forgave them instantly when the performance difference was half what they claimed.

>>55699334
found (you) >>55699367

>>55699422
In most games it does actualy, and it very few it doesn't

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>>55699503

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>>55699346
I'm not poor I just don't feel like spending $1200 on a 1080.

>>55699528
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>>55699670
What part of 'a few' didn't you understand?

>>55698753
>every poster lives in the same country

A 1060 costs about $500 and a 1070 costd about $660 here.

>>55699670
>Ashes of the SIngulaity

who the fuck cares? NOBODY plays that game

>>55695665
If that happens, AMD will win in the future when it starts focusing on power consumption after the disaster of Vega. Same thing happened to Nvidia after Fermi.

Also, remember DX12 and Vulkan are around the corner.

>>55695960
>owning AMD stock
185

>>55695960
2bh AMD has more money than NVIDIA, the problem is AMD has some financial problem in terms of allocation i.e: R&D, salary, marketing etc.in short they hoard money and spend less on these things meanwhile Nvidia shells billions of money and in return gains a lot.

>>55698865
Actually you cpu would simply not work.