Why do all major operating systems suck /g/? >Mac OS X >shit

>>55693334
>things have pros and cons
W E W

>>55693334
What's wrong with X11? It's works well

>>55693334
I'm on wayland right now, it's pretty much there minus some polish.

>>55693334
max os x would be GOAT if there were more choices for hackintosh builds

>>55693334
>>terrible hardware

[citation needed]

>>55694725
I repair macs all day and they are basically designed to fail after a year or 2. Instead of cooling them properly they just let the components throttle themselves to death and the capacitors just barely meet the required specs. I have probably replaced the exact same capacitor hundreds of times and it's the same on every model. The gpus get recalled every single year and apple doesn't give a fuck. Their "desktops" are just laptop boards in different cases and throttle just as hard.

>>55694118
no it wouldn't

OS X is reliable software because it only targets a limited subset of hardware

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>>55694954
well meme'd!

>>55694725
The desktops are outdated
The laptops are made of aluminum and the screen is broken by design.
You get a better experience by getting something else that can run OSX if you really want that sort of stuff.

>>55694963
I want to know what drives people like this to save these sorts of screencaps, and keep them saved, just waiting for the right moment to whip them out

Do you really want me to trawl the bug tracker of your distro of choice and start posting shit from there?

Just kidding, you probably use Windows anyway. Even Linux users aren't as big of a faggot as you

>>55693334
>Mac OS X
>shit package management
Homebrew. You should install it right after you get your Mac.
>terrible hardware
It is indeed a worse price/performance ratio, but you get better build quality.
>ludicrously pricey
See point above. Not to mention that you get OS X, which is the perfect combination of linux (UNIX, the only good thing) and normie stuff (way more people use OS X than linux, so more applications).

>>55693334
>>Windows
>>No Unix shell that properly integrates with the OS
>>spies on everything you do
>>full disk encryption is a joke
>>adware built in
you're a retarded sadfrog.

windows is not unix. windows is an absolutely insane (in the bad sense of the word) system design. They tried to separate things out, to make it easier for them to build, and in increasing the complexity of the system, all it resulted in was fragmentation of their own system.

Registry - a place for all devices, and system settings to reside, loaded at run time. if something edits the registry, or crashes while reading the registry, you're fucked. hence why you need to reboot all the time. their OS DOESN'T EVEN WORK.

UNIX/BSD/macOS - everything is treated as a """file""", all accessed with URI's, and services are subscribed to, instead of criss-crossing over each other trying to get updates from a device. things are written in distributed locations, but in a logical hierarchy. Users reap the benefits of the thoughtful design of Unix through it's stability, and developers can make a better user experience by taking advantage of such a system in was that are impossible to do on Windows.

Linux is going the way of Windows with all the fragmentation, and infighting among the developer community. No one can even agree on a fucking init system, a standard way to interface with the kernel, and everyone has their own ideas for what direction the platform should go in. it's a huge fucking mess.

>>55694928
then why have the four mac's I own (rMBP's and a mac mini, and a plastic macbook) never shit the bed on me once in the 10 years i've owned them? sounds like you just enjoy being a computer janitor.

>linux
>major operating system
lol

>>55694928
My Macbook has lived for 8 years without any repair (not even the charging cord), and the only reason I've bought a new one is performance (became a Facebook machine).

>Chinks design hardware
>Pajeets write drivers for it
>Hipsters market it

What a horrible time to be alive

>>55695069
mac chassis are designed by some swedish industrial designer with decades of experience

Alright let's be honest here, Linux is cool and all but Windows and OS X are still way better than anything else.

Linux is still confusing and retarded to use for your average person and you can't even play fucking games on it. I'm just your average Joe, but I have my needs, I enjoy playing games every once in a while. Does that make me a criminal?

I am a windows 10 user and do not care at all about the privacy stuff. I will let corporations data mine the shit out of me all day and night and do not care. It really doesn't affect me unless someone somehow exposes all my information and data to the public to see and that is not going to happen. It goes to companies for better advertising and stuff and I am willing to provide all my information for that.

I think OS X is top notch. Apple is awesome and their products barely depreciate and they have a really good brand. You turn a Mac on and it all works perfectly and smoothly. Linux takes so much time and effort and the result is worse than windows 10. Unless they can create an operating system that is not retarded to use and play games then nothing is going to change here.

>>55695120
>they
who do you think "they" are? "They" is you.

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>>55695120
>. It goes to companies for better advertising and stuff and I am willing to provide all my information for that.

You are literally everything wrong with society today. You don't even need to be bought, you willingly give yourself away. Please die and take your kin with you.

>>55695164

How does it even affect me? Every time you download an app or do pretty much anything on the internet they ask you for your information or take it without you even knowing. It is impossible to avoid.

I could care less about what they do with my information. I keep my privacy settings on for that reason. I am happy to help out other companies I enjoy windows services.

But like I said, unless they sell my info to some creep and he goes through my porn history I honestly have no issue with it.

>>55693334
wait, i thought that ubuntu linux shell does actually integrate with windows 10 - you can call windows specific apis on it.

or am i wrong here?

of course the downside is the botnet.

TempleOS is a thing now man

>Mac OS X
>terrible hardware
What is hackintosh?

>>55695326
A PC running a fruity toddler OS.

>>55695034
>>55695056
I had a plastic Macbook and it fell apart like a cookie. The build quality was terrible. In fact it was the worst quality out of all my laptops over the years and I have tried Acer, HP, Apple and Lenovo. My next one will probably still have to be Lenovo because others can't make them right.
>inb4 you must have played basketball with them since werks fer meh™

3.1. Apple, Inc

Cupertino, CA
July, 2005 - Present

Director, UNIX technology group (June, 2005 - Present)

Since June of 2005, I have been the Director of UNIX Technology, a larger organization which comprises the BSD technology, OS Security, Data Security and Vector and Numerics groups. In this role, I continue to be responsible for much of the "UNIX face" of MacOSX in addition to its evolving security mechanisms and low-level optimization in the numerics space. Much of my current efforts are focused on creating better and more fundamental security technologies in MacOSX rather than focusing on individual security "incidents" which encourage one to attack symptoms rather than considering the more fundamental problems. This is a particularly interesting challenge given Apple's traditional ease-of-use mandate, requiring a somewhat more innovative approach to providing effective security.

Manager, BSD technology group (July, 2001 - June, 2005)

As the manager of Apple's BSD technology group, I was responsible for overseeing the integration of BSD and other open source technologies into Darwin and MacOS X. Also in charge of the UNIX commands and libraries portion of Mac OS X, which is to say most of that which gives Mac OS X its "UNIX personality", and driving adoption of it into the UNIX and generally tech-savvy (Science and Technical) market. My group was relatively small, 6 people, but very focused on all matters having to do with UNIX and open source in general. This made us one of the primary groups within Apple who drove the adoption of open source within the engineering organization and generally evangelized the advantages thereof, both internally and externally at developer conferences like WWDC. I also ran the open source track at WWDC, given my background as one of the founders and architects of FreeBSD and long history (some might say notoriety) with the open source community.

>>55693334
windows 7 works just fine. I didn't even need to rice it just disable shit I didn't want. and no microsoft can't connect to it. I've checked plenty of times.

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>>55693334
can we add sound to the linux list?

They don't suck. I use Windows and it just works. I wouldnt replace it with anything. Macs also dont suck for the basic user. Linux, however...

>>55695536
Macs are better for tech oriented people than windows. The only reason windows is around is because most people don't know any better when they're using a shitty product

>>55695517
>44100Hz by default - audio bugs in programs
>suspends audio device, so you have to wait .5 seconds for it to wake
Yeah. For all its problems Windows at least handles the audio and video well.

>>55695575
Nah I use windows because of GAMES and I work in tech.

It just WERKS too.

If Linux can play games I will consider it. Until then I fucking love windows it really is comfy when you get used to it.

>>55695615
>he uses his video game console as a productivity machine
slacker

>>55693334
>wayland
I don't know what it is but I heard 10 years ago that it's gonna release and it will change everything and shit. Why the fuck are open sores devs so incompetent?

>>55695627
It does, but only a small fraction of Windows games

>>55695575
Macs only exist cause people are stupid and they fall for the exclusivity meme. Have you ever had a job or seen a firm? They all use windows.

>>55695389
>I had a plastic Macbook and it fell apart like a cookie
Are you the kind of people that buy cheap headphones because "they broke in a week"?

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>>55695709
>People only use macs because they want to be cool :^)

>>55695710
No, I don't break anything. My current laptop has been with me longer than the Macbook and it's still in perfect condition. I also have not broken the glass of any of my smartphones ever. I handle things with care but if something has been made terribly then there's not much that I can do.

>>55695719
I also didnt want to believe.

>>55695666
With Wayland in particular Canonical, which make the only commercially successful distro decided they wanted their own graphics server.
Meanwhile Google took Gentoo and made their own working, successful OS out of it, with their own graphics server in no time.

>Why the fuck are open sores devs so incompetent?
A lot of the projects are funded by enthusiasts and managed by foundations that spend the money on female outreach programs and other bullshit.
By comparison the Linux kernel is
- Funded by big corporations
- Controlled by Linus
This is why. Lack of stable funding, lack of direction and control from someone who knows what the hell they're doing.

>>55695709
Macs exist because Steve Jobs had a vision, and the steel to get it done, to build the best computer system for people.

>>55695810
Windows exists because Bill Gates wanted to make a quick buck, quality be damned.

>>55695820
Gates wanted a computer running Microsoft software in every home and he got it.
Jobs failed Gates succeeded.

>>55695836
>microsoft doesn't have half a trillion dollars in reserve cash in the bank

>>55693334
cant you just try to boot a secondary OS from a USB?

use windows 10 for daily normie shit, nobody cares about your consistent 9fagging at work.

then when you get home, boot a linux distro from a USB or harddrive and browse freely knowing that not every key you press is being sent straight to bill gates' desktop. if you feel like playing games, you go back to the windows.

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>>55695881
What does that have to do with anything I said?

>>55695906
Didn't say it was good.

>>55693334
OP, we've known it since forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRlPTbKHIPQ

>>55693334
>>Mac OS X
>>shit package management
>>terrible hardware
>>ludicrously pricey
except osx is so optimized it out performs windows on the same hardware, and never compromises user experience at the expense of making it easier for their legions of pajeets to write spaghetti code

>OS X
>god tier software packaging, actually works because it has standard APIs for userland
>GUI is meant for autistic retards
>shit tier kernel
>almost no drivers

>Linux
>god tier kernel
>a lot of drivers but none for new hardware
>no standards
>GNU/retardation all over userland
>shit package system is a necessity
>dependency hell for every little thing
>autistic retards in charge of GUI

>Windows
>Just crap
>Crap
>I don't know anything about windows but I see that it's rarely used for performance/security critical applications besides, uh, video games I guess

>>55695996
>OS X
>Optimized
Windows 8/10 run on chink tablets with Atom CPUs and 1GB of ram, they literally run on phone hardware.
OS X has the worst GPU drivers even compared to Linux it's worse.
How deluded are you?

>>55696019
>Windows 8/10 run on chink tablets with Atom CPUs and 1GB of ram, they literally run on phone hardware.
run osx on the same hardware (with optimized drivers, which is exactly what the Apple platform is all about) and it will out perform windows because it's syscalls are not fucktarded

windows wants to be like diarrhea, runs on everything, and does a shitty job of it

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>>55696008
>autistic retards in charge of GUI
>KDE exists
>Linux users condemn it

>>55696051
KDE just pisses me off

>>55696061
Care to explain?

>>55696038
Apple users themselves complain about OS X running like shit on their laptops, and we have precedent for Windows being light weight and performing better in the same programs, but whatever you say...

>>55696051
>GNOME exists
>linux users think installing javascript extensions for basic things is a perk

Why do they even bother with more than recompiling WMs?

Is it so they can pretend to be slightly less autistic?

hurr look at me I use lots of RAM that means I'm not a virgin

>>55696067
there are too many menus. and it's like KDE presents everything i don't want up front, and makes me have to search for the things i do want, and they wind up being in non-intuitive places.

please take some notes from macOS.

>>55694118
>more choices
AMD?????

>>55696093
>Windows being light weight and performing better
what the actual fuck am I reading

>>55696098
>Changing screen rotation in OS X
>command+option click your way to display settings

Taking notes here

If KDE users want to change their wallpaper they should jump up and down on one foot and then press escape meta alt control space and type "< vim".

>>55696093
>i have evidence that supports something

i have evidence showing mac os not running like shit. we can pick cherries all day if you want. until you understand the principles of OS design, you'll never understand why BSD, and by extension macOS is better.

If the only thing you care about is that your gay games run on it, then you're never gonna make it anyway

>>55695032
It's not UNIX at all, just certified. There's no modularity. Go ahead and prove me wrong by changing your init.

>>55696132
FreeBSD is a monolithic kernel

>>55696114
Windows 10 runs good on phone hardware
OS X runs bad on Core 2 Duo macs

>>55696125
Wasn't even talking about games fagtron
Every program that has cross platform versions performs worst on OS X

>>55696115
nobody changes their screen rotation so often that there needs to be a keyboard shortcut to do it

>>55696132
UNIX is literally not modular. It's a complete system, it even has standard GUI libraries that come with it. A UNIX is everything you need all at once.

You're thinking of linux, with the two major competing GUI toolkits that compete with older versions of themselves, 2-3 C libraries, 2 compiler/debuggers, like three different "standard" text editors (does it come with vim as vi, nano, or just ed? you never know), a fuckload of package managers and ports systems, You're thinking of linux, which actually has multiple init systems, multiple device managers, multiple sound systems, multiple filesystems....

You're thinking of linux
Fragmented shit designed with no clear goal in mind
The kernel that does a million things and does a small handful of them well and the schizophrenic userland that can't seem to accomplish anything but enlarge the egos of the hobby programmers responsible for it

>>55696154
>OS X runs bad on Core 2 Duo macs
werks on my machine :^)

>Every program that has cross platform versions performs worst on OS X
oh, you don't understand a lot of things about game development and runtimes, do you?

>>55695032
>homebrew
>ruby shit
>2016
>not pkgsrc or at least macports

>>55696162
So instead you hide it behind a modifier + click instead of putting it in a menu?

>>55696178
you're right, but just to clairfy, i want to interject a quote i heard recently from an old sage

"Linux distributions are just the kernel, plus a collection of the creator's favorite packages"

hence why none of them are very good, and why you never know what you're gonna get, or not get

>>55696188
your information needs to be updated, because that input combination doesn't even work on my el capitan system

>>55696215
It varies based on whether or not you "need" it

OS X is very intuitive and easy to understand

>>55696095
I've never seen anyone this angry at someone else using a DE.

>>55696178
Modularity is part of the UNIX philosophy. OS X has no modularity, therefore it's not UNIX. But how about you post some examples instead of opinions and feelings?

>>55696304
No, simplicity and dealing in text records is. Not providing a drop in replacement for init so your dumb ricer ass can sudo apt replace shit on a whim.

>>55696328
That made no sense. Why do I need a replacement for an init? I actually have one unlike OS X if I ever need one, but why?
I'm also still waiting on those examples which I'm assuming will never arrive.

>>55696272
>Hotkeys vary with the weather and orientation to Mecca
>Intuitive
I'm always amazed how behind Gnome OS X is.

>>55694725
>overheating under load
>"""desktop""" models are just glorified laptops
>usually cannot be upgraded or repaired by the user because muh thinness
>having less features is a feature

>>55695184
I hope for your own sake this is bait

>>55694096
It has shitty multi monitor and hidpi display support

>>55695389
Lenovo makes their hinges out of plastic tho

>>55696479
High dpi isn't handled by the window server. That has to do with scaling which is the compositor unless I'm mistaken.

>>55693334
> operating systems
>terrible hardware
Wut

>>55693334

>OSX
>expensive hardware
>no option for DIY or cost-efficient hardware outside of hackintosh
>no new Mac Pro, no Skylake CPUs in most of lineup, all GPUs in lineup suck (28nm GCN everywhere)
>fisher-price looking OS
>no gaems

>windows
>shit interface
>not unix
>no built-in trackpad gesture support
>poor handling of multiple desktops
>botnet etc.

>linux
>no support
>no drivers
>troubleshooting for weeks
>general instability
>did I mention it was poorly supported?

>>55695666
Right now nvidia suddenly want a new way of doing things with wayland.
So, expect longer time to complete.

>>55693334
>Linux
>not supported by devs
bullshit
>X11 is a steaming pile of shit with Mir and Wayland STILL not ready
meme harder son
>distro fragmentation: so many different ways to do every little task
fragmentation is true, other is actually a merit

dumb frogshitter

>>55693334

Use all of them.

>>55696517
Not all of them, the Thinkpads have metal hinges. At least the better series which are T, X and W. Those are the only ones that /g/ approves anyway.

>>55693334
>shit package management

OP doesn't know about pkgutil (vanilla Mac) and mac-ports (your very own BSD ports for Mac)

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>>55693334
>OS X
>explosively expensive