What does /g/ think of piracy?

If a game/film etc is good enough i will often buy it to get the best experience.
If its terrible, meh it was free.

>>55645720
>Thoughts on piracy /g/ wrong or right??.

Its right if your pirating someone elses code, its wrong if someone pirates your code.

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>>55645720
Yes taking over ships, raping, stealing and killing people oversea is fucking bad and awful.
Oh you meant sharing files on the internet freely? It is an act of love and must continue, trying to make files not able to be copied is like trying to make water not wet, piracy is such a propaganda term.

>>55645720
being pirate is fun! AAARRGGH!

>>55645731
You're so autistic you didn't even remotely answer OP's question. He asked your thoughts on piracy not on how you spend money.

>>55645731
Completely agree anon.

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>>55645749
Is this faggot serious??.

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>>55645720
I like to apply the term "Try before you buy"

With some exceptions like
Everything that falls under Sony music label
All labels under and including Defjam label
All labels under and includingYoung Money
A couple of big time film companies
EA Games
Ubisoft
Microsoft

Prolly forgot a few but yeah the general idea is to support indie devs (try b4 u buy applied though) and never pay a penny to the jews.

>>55645720
piracy is the best advertising method

>>55645720
We buy our stuff here. Go to reddit if you want piracy

Right and wrong are just limits

I do it if it benefits me

Is using GPL code in proprietary software wrong or right?
It's the same offense: Copyright Infringement.

The question is would you buy the product if there was absolutely no way to pirate it?

If the answer is no then it's justifiable, and no one really loses anything.

If you would've bought it anyways, but decided to cheap out and pirate it it then it's wrong. In this case, you should probably support the creator by paying for the product.

it's literally free advertising.

>>55645720
It's real good.

Spreads software that otherwise would be unknown.

People that are against it for ethical reasons (and not money, I can understand it if you are a lawyer etc, yet I'd hate you then), are just too dumb to understand the cycle of life.

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>>55646290
OMG its summer already kek.

>>55646290
>we
>buy

kek

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>>55646396
YES this anon gets it.

>>55645845
He's doing the normie, why r u so thick though?

I don't think "right" or "wrong" comes into it

I'd hate the idea of someone pirating my shit if it was me though if it was say software or something.

>put hours into making something
>possibly put money and resources into something
>people just get it for free

Games I buy. Steam got me. I only don't buy games that are ancient and devs don't get any money for those anyway. >thinking i'm paying some seller money for some playstation game that's scratched up or 40 bux for a 25 year old game

I buy physical copies of anything I like where I can because I like to own physical copies of things so I buy up a lot of movies.

music is

>implying i'm paying 0.99 bux per song or some shit

I pretty much only use free software these days

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>>55645720
Yes it's wrong. Piracy is theft, clean and simple.

>>55645720
You wouldn't download a CAR, would you?

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If I purchase a program and don't use the whole of it, can I sell the unused parts?

>>55646751
Fuck no. Buried somewhere in every EULA you don't own the program/game.

>>55646706
Fuck you i would if i could.

>>55645720
Software or music/movies?
I use GNU/Linux, so I don't pirate software, but I do pirate music and movies.
The jew producers aren't going to starve without my money.

>>55646832
what if they will?

>>55646843
I wish they would

>>55646818
>right to use
That's not a purchase, but a lease.

The almighty gaben told me I am "buying" the games. Is this false advertising?

>>55646314
Same here anon.

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>>55645720

>>55647157
Haaaaaaaa oh the memories.

It's good because brings joy/entertainment to people who are less well off.

>>55646633
Yeah that's the thing. I only buy stuff during the steam sales because I'm a polack, and 60 bux is two days of work for me.

>>55647245
ain't that the truth.

I tried using the pirate bay today.
It told me to make an account.
I'm going to use kick ass torrents from now on.

>implying IP is actual property
If it aint scarce it's a farce

>>55647324
the you weren't on tpb

>>55647324
You were probably on a fake TPB anon.

>>55645749
>piracy is such a propaganda term

Well it's working. Everytime I share a file I say shit like "Arrrr matey!" and shit. I've been thinking of getting myself a parrot and an eye patch too. I've got three cats already, so there is concern about the parrots safety, but I also have chickens and contrary to popular belief about them being cowards, they don't take no shit off of cats, or small dogs. Parrots are smarter than chickens (what isn't?) so maybe they can handle themselves too.

>>55647564
I actually think that sometimes anon XD.

>>55647360
>>55647383
For a while now I've been getting a "database maintenance, back in 10 minutes" message
Idk desu senpaitachi

>>55647624
>>55647624
are you on thepiratebay.org?
works for me

>>55645731
>the best experience
But anon, there's no autistic encoders to fix the issues inherent to the blurays if you buy those instead of pirating

Piracy isn't going anywhere, and I think it has its purposes. I also think that if you pirate software and you genuinely enjoy it, or find it useful, then I think it's a good idea to purchase it personally, as it supports the developers and encourages them to continue doing it. Piracy does serve a great purpose of sifting out the bullshit.

>>55645749
Richard Stallman detected.

It's wrong. That's why I am voting for Trump, the law and order candidate. You respect the police and uphold the law. The people breaking the rules are slime.

>>55645720
It's right when done for private purposes. It's wrong when done for commercial purposes. Pretty simple, I'd say.

>>55645720
Case by case.

>>55647764
>63% white

Piracy is how I downvote software/games

>>55646372
I would probably buy some of the music I pirated and go to library for books/movies/games, perhaps buy used books. Would never, ever, ever buy software or movies.

Given that all the stuff is free, obviously I download much more than I could buy even if I wanted to.

>>55647803
By giving them free publicity?

IMO "Piracy" causes no damage. The "damage" is done when the content is created by its author. This is the effort the author put into the work. If the author isn't compensated for his effort beforehand, the author might want to restrict access to the work and request (monetary) compensation in exchange for access to the work. This is usually called "selling the work".
IMO the author should take care of compensation for his/her work before creating it (through sponsorships, crowdfunding et c.) or not at all.

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>>55646290
It sure is summer.

>>55647882
Kikestarter has it's problems too, namely no buyers protection. It motivates developers to overpromise and underdeliver - the more stretch goals, the merrier. If you try to pull that scam on steam, you wont get any sales (people can get refunds for your shit product).

Pay upfront model has a future when it is fixed to favor buyers, not sellers. For example a variation of collective dutch auction for finished product with no stretch goals - the moment asking price is hit, the game is released from escrow - for free. Dev gets paid and everyone is happy.

It would need refunds too - if dev releases shit, most tippers would withdraw their collective bid.

For the masses of steamfags, this could be packaged as a simple 'donate-preorder' button or something.

gaben, plz adopt

>>55646223
>"Try before you buy"
>What is music on YouTube
>What are steam refunds

Movies don't count because you can't "try" without watching the whole thing.

Also
>I'm so entitled I'll just chose whether to pay a company or not for the content they have created based on whether I like them or not.

>>55648048
>>I'm so entitled I'll just chose whether to pay a company or not for the content they have created based on whether I like them or not.
That's how it works in some other industries too. I can buy a laptop or a phone and return it if it's shit.

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>>55645720
I think creators need to receive the benefits from their work. Which is why we should destroy capitalism and build a cooperative society free from the private ownership of capital.

>>55648048
>music on YouTube
>im-fucking-plying
Yeah, maybe, back in 2007. Now it's just DMCAs left and right. You can find some, not gonna lie, but there's no guarantee that it'll stay up. Hell, my music playlist keeps getting shorter and shorter every month.

>>55648085
Lenin was transgender?

>>55648009
Another solution might be a patreon style system: the developer gets donations as long as he/she provides a constant stream of progress, so the money to be refunded is minimized.

There is no perfect system, though a hybrid might work best.

>>55648099
There are no distinct social classes anymore, comrade. That term is meaningless.

>>55648107
Would be suboptimal for literature, or anything else that actually needs time.

>>55648085
So where do we start?

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>>55648160
Organize in small groups, agitate to raise class consciousness among the people, help them to see through the capitalist worldview by offering them a vision of a better world, get the people used to working together to effect change through mass line activities, then turn them against the capitalist ruling class to demand revolutionary change in the economic substructure, eliminating the following:

1. Private ownership of capital
2. Wage labor
3. Market exchange of commodities for the purpose of obtaining profit

The actual implementation of socialism beyond following these basic principles should be left for the people to determine during a transitional period. The final society must be free of all ruling classes of any form (i.e. truly democratic), provide the basic necessities to all through maximally-automated necessary labor, and be focused on individual self-actualization and humanity's long-term goals.

>>55648085
>the street sweeper is paying off his student debt after majoring in economics

>>55648107
Patreon and systems similiar to it (ie even youtube ads) generally work only for low effort content (ME2 porn, webcomics, webcomic furry porn and such) and mass entertainers (=no creative freedom).

As >>55648128 said, the idea is to make a single transaction for something a lot of coherent effort was poured into. Incremental releases are suitable only for shitty youtube reviews and webcomic panels - trivial series of cliffhangers.

>>55648234
Yes, the new reality is that we are all slipping down into the truly exploited classes, the only condition that most throughout the world have ever known.

>>55648231
Fuck off parasite, helicopter ride will come soon

>>55648534
The only parasites are those who collect profit from the labor of others while doing no work themselves. In other words, the idle rich who have subverted your government and manipulate your society from behind the scenes.

>>55645720
the problem with this is that there is no middleground. You either ban sharing at all, which is terrible. You basically can't share the movie you bought with your friend or let people share but share with the entire world.
The former is really really terrible. Sharing is essential for humanity, so I choose to share. The choice between two extremes is always hard.

>implying you or anyone here actually works
This is why I can't take commies seriously, they are either NEETs like on the internet or "intellectuals" on the government pay in our public universities

>>55645720
Don't care if you pirate shit
Don't care how much you pirate shit

Just don't ever give me pirate shit since 9/10 it is garbage compared to the official version

>>55648583
Im glad to see that your marxist feminist studies are paying out

>>55648231
Wouldn't it be easier to use the current system to implement automation serving us all by initial subventions and later very high taxation for companies investing into automatisation?

Besides, once the necessities are secured there is nothing wrong with wage labour anymore, since it'd be done voluntary.

>>55648701
On the other hand, if some leftist actually works, you use "champagne socialist" to shut down their opinions. Can't win.

>or "intellectuals" on the government pay in our public universities
What about professors from private universities, or do they not count? What about most scientists?

>>55647624
yep, me too. happens from time to time, try refreshing or use torrentz.eu

Piracy is A-OK for proprietary software
For free software, if it's a big project like GIMP, 0 AD or The Dark Mod for example, I donate $30 - 60 (ie: about how much an equivalent proprietary program costs)

>>55645720
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMeLqP1A5O4
right
>pic related

until there's a decent legal alternative, i'll keep on pirating. is most download old music, tv & movies so i'm not all that worried

>>55647564
Is true, chickens really do bully cats. They stand taller, too. Cats are manlets.

It's right if you are pirating from a foreign company or a foreigner.
It's wrong if you are pirating from a fellow national.

>>55650493
Fuck you what planet do you live on

>>55650514
The planet where national interests and the national economy is more important than to take money out of it to put it into some stinking foreigner's wallet for something as irrelevant as digital entertainment.

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>>55645720

piracy has existed for a long ass time, just not in terms for the internet.

When you borrow Lord of the Rings from your buddy Dan, you have viewed that media for free.

When you buy a used game from gamestop, do the game companies who made the game see a penny?

When you buy a DVD from a yardsale, do the companies see a penny?

You can even rent media from a library, the companies don't see a penny from me.

it's just more convenient, GabeN said that piracy is a result of poor service and I agree.

I was a pirate from age 10-22, I bought games that needed online access. Then steam had heavy cutting summer sales, and I was more willing to buy on sale games, then I bought games at full price when I supported developers.

Then gaming companies started getting shittier, poorer quality products, and they ruined their goodwill with me. So I pirate it to see if they have fucked me or not. Most of the time I'm still too bitter to pay. I have completed the cycle of pirate > paying customer > pirate.

>>55650776
This.
I hate that a lot of games now are using that Denuvo shit.

>>55648097
I almost exclusively listen to music from Youtube.
What I see most artist/labels have their own channels too, with some exceptions.

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>>55645720

Wrong.

But bad habits are hard to break. Most of us save images on 4chan without a second thought. Use images straight off google without any regard to whether or not it is free use even if it's a stock photo. Play games, music, porn and movie rips... etc.

Did I ask this guy's permission before I used his comic for this post? Nah. I'll feel slightly bad for continuing the cycle now more than I would a few years ago when I was defending the spoiled brat behavior of the internet.

copyright infringement is noble

>>55646396
/Thread

>>55650462
Geese and ducks are pretty vicious too. You wouldn't think it, but a goose bite hurts like fuck.

I feed my cats canned food, which is sometimes chicken. The damn chickens will chase them away, and eat it, if I don't stand guard. Chickens will eat just about anything apparently.

>>55645720

It's stealing, but no one's stopping me.

>>55650828
Denuvo is going down the drain soon.
https://torrentfreak.com/denuvo-crack-video-rumors-excite-pirates-160628/

As with all software, everything is cracked sooner or later,
and the rest follows.

>>55652025
So they cracked it! I can't wait to play all those titles that I couldn't because of Denuvo.

>>55652040
There's like, 1 or 2 whole titles that are worth a shit.
Total Warhammer being the only most relevant one.
Though out of all Denuvo games, i'd only pay for Total Warhammer and did in fact do so.
The rest are not worth the money.

>>55645720
If I can't find torrent in good quality I buy CD/BluRay/Digital record and share it via torrent.

>>55652058
Never played it, what's it like?

>>55652084
What software do you use?

Property rights are spooks, intellectual property rights even more so.
>hey let me sell you this thing but I still own it INTELLECTUALLY do don't undermine my scheme where I pretend that there is labour going into its reproduction
Also the competitive motivation for inventiveness may have been a productive factor since early capitalism but the playing field has always been evened out with time, resulting in less socially necessary labour time for the affected commodities. Protecting exclusive control of technologies is a newer phenomenon.

>>55645720
Catch 22 really

Some pirate because they want to make the content creators do better job at making quality content.

This makes no fucking sense.

Some pirate cause they are idiots

This makes no sense either they should just kill themselves by making "funny" Vine videos

Some pirate cause they couldn't afford anything

Which is bs again cause there are millions of free movie, series and music streaming website available

Some pirate cause they want to have a backup of those products and share between friends

Now this makes sense


Also pirating reveals a lot of secrets that the source codes hide and also it can be used to disable the devs who made it so they cannot control the user.

For example ncore.cc (beat pt in Europe) offers many Windows iso that are disconnected from Microsoft's servers but only the update servers are available and the "spying" features are altered to save log files to the user PC instead to their network.

>>55645720
It's wrong in most cases but I still do it.

>>55652091
Total War: Warhammer.
- The battlemap unit movement is great, with all sorts of functions like pre-planned movement having an arrow and shit drawn as you are indicating how you want your unit to move,
a nice system that has your whole army moving exactly in the formation as you formed it in, including the ability to angle the formation. There are a lot of indicators and handy hotkeys you can memorize.
- Catapults and shit are actually useful in this game. Very useful.
- The sea battles are not there yet, but will come with a future expansion.
- The siege battles need more work, but they are ok.
- You have hero units and shit, with upgrade skills and shit. Lots of research too.
- Gotta be tactical with city management. The city planning shit is more simplistic, but it is also more tactical. You will see what i mean if you try out the game.
- The world map is glorious, there's shitloads of provinces, with plenty of factions.
- There are quite a few relevant factions missing which will be added in expansions. Most noticeably the Skaven which require the underworld built under the existing world map, and figuring out a system of how they will pop up into the world and when.
- There are army stances on the world map which affect movement and produce special actions in regards to the provinces where the army is.
- All factions have some special trait. Orcs for instance have a WAAAAAGH meter on every army, which when filled up from battling successfully will produce another AI controlled army with OP units which will bash and crash everything.

There's much more to say. But it's a damn fun game. The only complaints i have is that AI does some questionable cheat-like shit sometimes in terms of movement, and that Dwarves are too fucking OP.

>>55652405
I have struggled with RTS games and similar genres a lot in the past.
Is this hard at all?

>>55652428
If you have struggled with RTS in terms of Starcraft and shit where people are hotkey crazy with memorization and speed, then you can have a rest with Total War games because they ain't like that shit.
I'm assuming that the struggle you are defining is an obsession of keeping all your units and armies healthy and minimization of losses. Forget that shit. I've conquered whole maps in Total War games with close to 50-50 win-to-loss ratios.
If you lose battles it's no biggie. The recruitment system allows you to repair the situation most of the times.
Just like with Dwarf Fortress, you gotta learn to love to lose, and you gotta experiment. Imagine you are a commander in real life and how you would attack your enemy with various units using their various strengths, and using the terrain. Then just go with it. If you fail, do things a bit differently next time depending on situation based on what you've learned from the previous failure.

>>55652526
I tried playing Blitzkrieg 2 and I was shit

>>55652572
Blitzkried games are fucking great, but they are also hard as fuck because they are RTT with no manufacture.
But i refuse to believe that you couldn't get somewhat good in Blitzkrieg by experimenting and changing up your tactics every time you lose.
It does depend a lot on hotkey memorization and command speed though. You gotta be into it in order to train these things.

I don't know, I just taught it got somewhat hard after the first few missions.
I'm not very good at remembering hotkeys and shit.

>>55652704
That's why you gotta be really into the game to care to memorize, and when you care to memorize something then memorization becomes instinctive and easy.
Total War is in any case the perfect game for you, the battle are slow and can be sped up or paused, and it doesn't rely much on speed and hotkeys.
Homeworld 1 and 2 are some other games that might be good for you too.

>>55651457
Can confirm that geese are cunts. One attacked me when I was young and decided I wanted to pet the fucking thing. It started kicking my ass until my dad grabbed the thing by the neck and hit its body against a tree until it died.

>>55653129
Is Total War better for multiplayer or single player?

>>55653548

>>55652361
>Catch 22 really
Best answer in this entire thread.

>Some pirate because they want to make the content creators do better job at making quality content.
This is partly why I pirate sometimes.

>Some pirate cause they couldn't afford anything
This is the other part. I can't afford to pay HBO $20 a month for one show that I want to watch (SV).

Another reason for piracy is accessibility to quality content. I'm actually tempted to dump my Netflix account and pirate more shite because their quality has been tanking lately.

Scientific research seems to suggest those who pirate also are the largest buyers,
that pirated material gets more exposure which helps profits, that any effect piracy
has on companies profits is largely negligible (music industry might be an
exception), and that piracy encourages innovation in order to compete with pirates.

All in all in seems mostly positive. Although if you ask corporate shills they'll give
you some... impossible numbers:
https://youtu.be/GZadCj8O1-0

>>55652361
>Which is bs again cause there are millions of free movie, series and music streaming website available
>be depended on Internet connection and have worse choice

>Some pirate cause they want to have a backup of those products and share between friends
The fuck would you pay twice? First with your money, then with your time to pirate; and support mechanisms that don't allow you to actually own the shit you buy.

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>>55646223

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>>55653173
Just be glad it wasn't a swan or peacock.

Plundering ships on the high seas is not right under any circumstance.

>>55645749
>water is wet
water makes stuff wet

>>55654813
People who waste time on the Internet discussing and being persnickety about semantics should be shot in the streets.

WE ARE ALL ENTITLED TO HAVE THINGS FOR FREE. CAPITALISM IS CANCER AND DOES NOTHING BUT CREATE GREED AND VIOLENCE. MONEY SHOULD NOT BE THE INCENTIVE, BUT TO FOLLOW YOUR OWN INTERESTS.

>>55654908
>being persnickety about semantics

It's redundant to add "about semantics" there. Persnickety means the same thing on it's own.

>>55645720
IT'S FREE

We use the sun for light and heat, but we don't pay for that, so why should we pay for something that can't be taken away if everyone had software they didn't pay for? People stealing software won't make anyone lose money unless they spent more money than they need to make the software which is why you shouldn't waste so much money on making software.

>>55650776
You forgot the most terrible sin of all, pirating music from the radio with a tape recorder.

I do what I want, fag.
What's next? You're going to write about 'problematic responses' on your blog?

Nah, it's just trickle down economics at work.

>>55655093
I'm delighted to see you took the bait with the delicious irony it entails. You have made my day.

>>55654467
pretty much this
If I like it, then I will buy it.
I don't like bad business

Nah, let the poor have their fun. Videogames let them escape the rabble of their lives.

>>55645720
>What does /g/ think of piracy?

What do you think of stealing? Of course it's wrong. However, government has no place dictating online piracy. It is the private companies responsibility to make their software/files/data secure and not able to be copied to someone who didn't purchase it.

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Thoughts?

>>55645720
Sometimes wrong, sometimes right.

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