Vintage Computer Thread

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>>55392724
Is this really going to die?

Post stuff!

Just got this yesterday. Need to get a mouse though, i had one but it's not working anymore.

Zenith Data Systems Z-Note 433Lnc+. Intel 486, 8mb ram, 200mb harddrive.

Also no idea who Louis is, didn't realize that W95 modified the floppy when writing the first install of W95. So i'm assuming this laptop is forever registered to Louis.

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>>55394632
Also got this, Toshiba T2000SX, Intel 386, 1mb onboard ram and a 4mb addon ram card, 40mb harddrive (which is curious because the model number is for the 20mb model, so either somebody upgraded it or there's an error?).

Sadly the FDD doesn't work, which is a real shame because it's a neat little device.

Also, worth mentioning, the keyboard on both of these laptops are miles better than any keyboard i've ever used on a modern laptop. They are VERY nice to type on.

>>55394632
Late '90s ZDS stuff looks absolutely sublime.

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>>55394998
Not late '90s, early '90s, and I forgot my picture.

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I just scored a commodore 64 for 10$ and have no idea if it works or not, dont have a PSU to test It,

Need to built one first

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not only is it trash and outdated

its made by a company who puts ton of bloatware on their pc's

>>55396313

you fucking faggot go kiss Trump the lump

>>55392724
Reminder that Living Computer Museum maintains vintage microcomputers, mainframes, minicomputers, and other devices for people to touch and use: http://www.livingcomputermuseum.org

Also, several of their systems are available remotely: http://www.livingcomputermuseum.org/Online-Systems/Request-a-Login.aspx

>>55396352
What does politics even have to do with this you stupid summer-fag reddit bookmarked sperglord?

Probably gonna get a Epson hx20 soon. No idea why.

>>55394691
That looks like a lovely keyboard

All I got is an Amiga500, and an old W95 era computer in the garage I need to give a HDD and OS.

I'd love to get a small, interesting vintage computer.

>>55396374
That place looks fucking sublime. I'd go to the US again just to go there.

>>55396374
>http://www.livingcomputermuseum.org/Online-Systems/Request-a-Login.aspx
That's pretty damn neat.

>>55396495
>reddit bookmarked
Now those are fighting words.

>>55396374
How do you connect to these systems remotely?

>>55396712
Through the internet, obviously.

>>55396750
Yes, but what's the process of signing up?

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>>55396596
In contrast, i picked this up a couple of months ago.

Worst keyboard i've ever laid hands on.

>>55396840
If only there was some kind of way, perhaps a url, where you could, I dunno, request a login.

>>55396840
Use the sign up form posted earlier.
If you mean "what's the equivalent of ssh/telnet to connect to these" try this:
http://www.livingcomputermuseum.org/Online-Systems/User-Documentation.aspx

>>55397039
You're a useless person.
>>55397153
I was wondering if anyone knew what they did. Is it instant, are they going to try to talk to me about? I couldn't really find any information about it on the site so I was wondering if someone else had signed up.

>>55397192
I may be useless but I can at least figure things out on my own without being coddled constantly.

>>55397192
Yes, I had signed up before for the PDP-11
IIRC I got an email asking to confirm followed by another email that included my login credentials and instructions for initial connection.

>>55397192
Ok, dug through email, and this is what I received (some redactions in place):

"Welcome! Thank you for your interest in Living Computer Museum's systems.
Your account has been created on our PDP-11/70 running Unix, version 7.

You may connect to the system via telnet at the address *. If you are unable to connect, you can
check system status athttp://www.livingcomputermuseum.org/Online-Systems/System-Status-(1).aspx


Username: *

Password: *


Please use the passwd command to change your password on first login.
You can find introductory and refresher information in the manual athttp://www.livingcomputermuseum.org/Online-Systems/User-Documentation.aspx

The Bitsavers collection (http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/att/unix/) contains a great deal of other documentation as well, for other versions of Unix."

Obviously it will be different if you request for a non-unix remote. But I would expect something similar.

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Who /hand-aided copious fecal matter consumption/ here?

>>55397463
Fuck you. Now i want a g4 imac again to go along with my tibook and g4 tower. I dont even fucking use them anymore.

>>55396495
>people don't have time for /g/ the rest of the year

>>55397463
I have a G5 Power Mac I've held onto. Might toss MorphOS on it... I have no nostalgia for MacOS 9 or earlier, and I only use OS X on a MBP I carry for work.

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>>55397601
Look into it while they're still cheap and plentiful, I'd love one of the later 1 GHz 17'' or 1.25 GHz 20'' models with DDR memory to replace my 800 MHz 17'', should be fast enough to actually get some use out of them, although they can't boot OS 9.

>>55397634
I don't really have any nostalgia for it either, had some shitty Performas running 7.x as a kid but don't remember much of them, OS 9 and the rest of the "classic" family are just fun to mess with, tons of software and some of the best customization tools of any legacy platform out there. Early OS X is nice too.

>>55397610
>being so new he doesn't understand the eternal summer

>>55397791
Yeah, I think the fact that the last legacy Mac I used was a shitty Performa is what killed any chance of nostalgia for me.

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Old rig running Sweet-OS

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>>55397791
>some of the best customization tools of any legacy platform out there.
Kaleidoscope still is still by far the best theming engine. Nothing has topped it yet, not even the paragon of customizability (Linux WMs/DEs). Kaleidoscope scheme artists had near full control over the window frame, controls, menubar, icons, fonts, sounds… everything. There were even a couple of clever schemes which somehow managed to add 32-bit alpha transparency drop shadows to menus despite classic Mac OS never supporting such a thing in its windowing system.

>>55397910
Do you happen to have a place i can download these?

>>55397463

what crt monitor is that on the right corner ??

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>>55397944
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/kaleidoscope
They finally got around to archiving it, plus the entire scheme library as well as banned Aqua schemes.

These are my favorite schemes though:
http://www.masswerk.at/schemes.html

>>55397975
A lame entry-level Sun monitor that shipped with one of my Blades.

>>55397944
Unfortunately the official site for it finally went under some time in the last year, but most of it should still be accessible through the WayBackMachine: https://web.archive.org/web/20130530175811/http://www.kaleidoscope.net/schemes/

It'll complain about a page not being found when you try to download, but the download will work anyway. Most will come in the form of Stuffit archives (.sit) and schemes require HFS+ resource forks to work, so make sure you expand them only on a Mac. Some methods of file sharing like SMB may strip these resource forks as well.

Simply googling "kaleidoscope schemes" amazingly still returns many pages of scheme artists.

>>55398031
Oh sweet, I had no idea the Garden had schemes now. Did they get all the stuff from Kaleidoscope.net?

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>>55398058
Oh yeah, and the seemingly everlasting Info-Mac archive also has a bunch of schemes:
http://www.info-mac.org/viewforum.php?f=203&sid=7eb8cd56e2a3b7bb13a284e4502959d8

>>55398031
>>55398058
>>55398091

Thanks, I'll grab them the next time i fire up my tibook.

>>55398058
Not sure where they got it from, seems like a mirror or something since they had all the removed schemes too.

The wayback machine mirror of the old site works for the most part but I think it doesn't archive >2MB files

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>>55395022
I feel compelled to post the entire ad.

>>55398187
>The wayback machine mirror of the old site works for the most part but I think it doesn't archive >2MB files
It's been a long time (like 16 years now? fuck) but I don't remember any schemes breaking the 1MB barrier, let alone 2MB

>>55398224
The Garden page says that ~3700 or the 4100 schemes are able to be downloaded, maybe it varies from site to site. I've noticed in general from surfing around that pretty much anything less than 1.5 MB is a shoe-in and will almost always be archived, anything greater, not so much

>>55394632
>would you like some screen with your bezel?

>>55398255
I wonder if anybody has tried getting in touch with Greg. He might have everything archived still since the site only went down recently.

>>55398224
It's not a damn barrier. Stop using the word wrong

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>>55398291
half of the cost of a laptop was in the display desu

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Not really computers, but whatever

Found the Tandy at a Goodwill Outlet

>>55398481
but the PC-4 is a computer anon

this guy has autism for it
http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/tpm/4567.html

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Up and running with Floppy emulator and FlashAir SD.

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>>55392724

Who /£300 accelerator/ here?

>>55394632
>Is this really going to die?
Well you posted the thread with a toy in the OP picture instead of a computer like in your second picture so most of the board assumed it was a troll and ignored it.

>>55397383
>>55397450
Cool, thanks guys.

>>55398619
>>>/v/

>>55398670
>can't deny cold hard reality
>thread came to life after op posted a real computer to prove he wasn't a troll
The truth hurts doesn't it?

>>>/v/

>>55394632
You can probably just fix it in the registry, just search for "Louis" and change it to whatever, that's how I swapped registration info on my NT4 boxes rather than spend forever reinstalling it.

>>55398619
Oh my god, multiple threads too? You really do have no life.

>>55398619
>>55398692
Real OP here, that was somebody else.

>>55398603
>tfw still have my 1200, games, software, joystick but shit mouse and no monitor

>>55398803
>>55398878
>feeding the DTS shill

>>55398199
I always thought these boxes looked so good, but the things were so overpriced for what you got.

>>55399248
Probably, the four-slot EISA tower or the server model probably would have been nice.

Still want one of the pizza boxes though.

>>55398619
>>55398878
Yeah, i'm not OP, just somebody who wanted a Vintage thread, found one, and saw no replies.

I have become macfag, destroyer of ports.

I have a white slot loading imac G3, a 24 inch imac C2D, a powermac G4, a powermac G5 twin CPU, a mac mini G4, a Powerbook G3 (unsure what model,) another powerbook G3 Pismo, a Powerbook 520, and a LC575. I also have a sun cobalt qube 3 lying around that I'm probably going to use to network them.

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>>55399316
>>55398619
I've got toys too though, if you'd prefer those.

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>>55398790
Thanks, i'll give that a try when i pick up a mouse.

Doesn't really bother me though. The bad Cmos battery annoys me more than the name.

>>55399379
What do you... do with them? I've got a couple of macs i picked up just to play around with and, i just really don't like using them.

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>>55399488
>>55399470
I use them for what they were designed to do.

>>55399550
Good man.

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>>55399379
>LC575
Neat little machine, used to have one. Nicely expandable despite being an AIO – it was cake to add ethernet to mine. Just had to buy an $8 card from eBay, slide the mainboard out of the back of the 575, and plug the card in.

It's surprisingly snappy and usable for its age and doesn't feel like a machine from 1994 at all. With a RAM upgrade and Mac OS 8.1 I could see it having been useful up into the early 00s.

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>>55399488
>What do you... do with them?
Same stuff you'd do with an old PC, with sites like the Macintosh Garden there's probably a bigger base of archived commercial software for them than even 9x systems, as well as an active development community on OS 9 and OS X Tiger.

Messed around with pic related on and off for a month or two, beat the shit out of DOS and Windows 3.x by a mile, definitely not a stable or elegant platform under the hood by any means, but it feels very modern and well-designed nonetheless.

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>>55399668
>AppleCD Audio Player
>back when CD Audio decoding was done in hardware
>player itself didn't have to be open
>if your OS froze up the currently playing track would continue playing until finished
maximum comfy

I wish specialized hardware played a bigger role today, the current approach of inefficiently bruteforcing through everything with software on powerful CPUs sucks

>>55399488
>What do you... do with them?
Stuff.
I'd post my PC collection, but I'm afraid I don't remember them all.
Run old programs, experiment with them, and find interesting things about them.
>>55399595
It was pretty interesting to disassemble it the first time.

>>55399754
I've got about 35 PC's, but most of it's P4, and Athlon 64 stuff.

Have 5 PIII's IIRC, 2 PII, a couple i486/am486.

Biggest problem though is finding working PSU's.

>>55399824

NOT EVEN OWNING A 8088xt

get out

>>55396313
Fine, you win. Here's you're (You).

>>55399824
lel
I have ~42 or so assembled. I think the P4 dells are multiplying when my back is turned.

>>55399831
They're kinda pointless desu, everything they can do a 286 or above can do better and there's not much in terms of games for 5150/XT as they were strictly business computers.

>>55399891
http://www.pown.it/525

>>55399868
If there's any computer I'm totally and completely okay with trashing it's a P4 Dell. They were an IT nightmare.

>>55399891
Pretty much, I still like the look and "feel" of my XTs though. Still need to get my hands on a nice AT anyway.

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>>55399831
Sorry :(.

>>55399868
The P4's do seem to multiply. Picked up this lot the other day for free, and it's one of a few that i've got in the past couple months.

I have a hard time finding older stuff though. I have actually gotten some use out of these systems, specifically the Athlon ones. Have one running in the kitchen and one in my weight room. Make great little media computers.

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>>55400008
Also related, at least to the thread, my technic setup. 110 disc CD-Changer, a bit overkill.

Sadly it's hooked up to absolute shit speakers atm.

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>>55400038
Picked this up at a yardsale for $20 a month ago.

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I got a apple II GS that I got for $10 (monitor, keyboard, 5.25" floppy, 3.5" floppy, mouse) like 15 years ago.

Only problem is I don't have any software for it so it's basically sat there doing nothing for the past 15 years.

I guess you can get sdcard drives that emulate the normal disk drives?

Maybe i'll get some motivation to do that thing to turn the plastic back to it's original white and get something so I can run some software.

(pic related, it's EXACTLY what I have)

>>55400008
>FOR FREE
but how?

>>55400038
... I just got a 400-cd changer last month.

>>55400038

Old stereo stuff, and old speakers are mostly garbage.

There are a few gems of course, but as a rule the class D, and AB chipamps are going to sound a zillion times better.

Speakers it's pointless to spend any amount of money (like sure if it's $20) on if it's not modern. Computer modelling that didn't exist in the 70s and 80s did wonders for speaker design.

>>55400060
Nice! I still have a stack of Laserdiscs but no longer have a working player.

Id love to post pictures of my recent vintage pc score a 286 for 80$ and it weight over 60 pounds without monitor !

but dont have the time right now
, have to study

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>>55400081
They're P4's.

I put ads on my local Kijiji looking for old scrap computers people are throwing out. Normally i get one or two, i got lucky on that one.

I've stopped recently because i've ran out of room until i can get into a house with a basement to store all this crap. Apartment i'm living in has a storage area for each apartment, and mine's full with computer crap now. Not to mention my closets, and now my living room's starting to fill up... It's an addiction, and i can't stop it! I don't even do anything with them most of the time, i just clean them up, get them working and install Windows, or Linux on them, then they go into storage...

Out of all the stuff i've gotten, a combination of best items would yield me a PC with a C2D E6600, GTX8800, 4gb of ram and a 1tb HDD. Not a bad little PC for free.

The parts are split up now though, the C2D is in a media PC with a 6600gt, i put the 1tb HDD in my main pc. The 8800 is just laying around atm, need to get another PSU to power it for a new build...

This is what most of them look like when i get them.

>>55400189
And all clean.

>>55400096
Jesus, going to guess it's something industrial for a mall or something? Who would even have 400 CD's?

>>55400102
From what i've read the Technic Receiver i have is pretty decent, and still holds up. I reallly have no clue about audio stuff though. I just really like the aesthetic of it, and i got the whole thing for $30 so i don't really mind. I find it still works great for CD and Tape playback.

>>55400107
Eventually i'm going to put some money out and buy a lot off of ebay.

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>>55400224
Forgot photo.

>>55400224
>something industrial for a mall or something?
It's a consumer-grade Sony cd player. I've seen 200 and 300-disc models, too. As a matter of fact you can even daisy-chain two of them together for 800 CDs controlled by one remote.
>Who would even have 400 CD's?
A friend of mine downloads FLACs of live shows and burns them to CDs. He's got fuckloads.

>>55400224
>From what i've read the Technic Receiver i have is pretty decent, and still holds up. I reallly have no clue about audio stuff though. I just really like the aesthetic of it, and i got the whole thing for $30 so i don't really mind. I find it still works great for CD and Tape playback.

It's probably not horrible, but I have noticed lot of people see something and they are like "OLD == GOOD" when that's really really not true.

Usually these are hipsters, but people seem to think classic amps aren't shit and are better than a modern class D.

I mean at the end of the day if you like it who cares. It's pretty cool you have the whole stack and the tuner looks nice.

>>55400224
>Jesus, going to guess it's something industrial for a mall or something? Who would even have 400 CD's?

You must be young....

Lot of folks. I mean that's 400 albums. If you started buying CD's in the 90s that's not really crazy.

>>55400315
Yeah i can see that.

Honestly though, i know very little about audio and am certainly no "audiophile". Just got it because i like the look, and it feels very nice (knobs, buttons, etc).

I don't even know enough to know what a class D would mean. It's not something i'd spend a whole lot of money on.

>>55400351
Yeah, i'm only 24. Just seems like a lot to me, guess i'm just talking out of my ass though.

>>55400189
The IBM/Optiplex's are great for free. Maybe I should try my look sometime.

The fact that you clean them up so well but have no way of using them all confuses me though. Hopefully you make some cash from it somehow.

>>55400392
>Yeah, i'm only 24. Just seems like a lot to me, guess i'm just talking out of my ass though.
If it's any consolation I'm a few years older (27) and find 400 audio CDs to be ridiculous number too. In think my entire immediate family might've accrued a total of 30-40 music CDs before torrents and streaming took over…

but then again we got started late. didn't own a CD player at all until 1996 when we bought our first computer. it was all audio cassettes before that

>>55400392
>>55401112
400 is a silly amount to have in 2016, but a decade ago that wasn't that much (at least for any serious music lover).

>>55401107
I just enjoy it. I use a couple, but it's overkill for all the rest.

Plan to start selling a few though, even at $40 a pop, it's free money minus my time.

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might as well bump the thread with some random BYTE magazine shit I saved today

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Starting to want one of these i860 cards now, even though I probably couldn't program it for shit.

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>you will never know what it feels like to have a disk controller packing more horsepower than a typical desktop from two years ago

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>IIvx
Hope the PC user saved some asprin from his last upgrade.

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Aw yeah.

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ye olde drop-in upgrade meme

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>>55403119

>>55394797
I have two of these and a single copy of CP/M. I really need to get rid of them...

>>55403883
give them to me
>tfw I have an original Osborne 1 box with like two years' worth of the user's magazine, extraneous cables, manuals and software but computer to use them with

>>55400238
You might want to keep an eye on the capacitors next to the CPU (behind the fan baffle) - they tend to leak and/or explode.

I experienced a cap exploding once when I was a bench tech. Powered on the system, heard a bang, and the magic smoke poured out. Goodbye motherboard.

>>55402889
Windows NT was originally intended for the i860, which coincidentally was codenamed the N-Ten processor.

No known builds exist for the architechture though, since the decision to drop support for it was before any major developer releases of the NT kernel made it out of Microsoft. By September of 1991 all the work for the i860 was dropped and i386 was the new target arch.

>>55403961
I remember that now, wasn't the 860 a limp dick for integer-focused tasks or something? I forgot what killed it.

>>55404005
It was more a case of not coming out in time. Microsoft ended up developing NT on their Jazz MSX platform, with an emulator for the i860 processor. Then they decided to drop support for the arch entirely, and shift all development to i386.

If anything, the i860 was a foreshadowing of what happened with Itanium.

>>55404048
>On paper, performance was impressive for a single-chip solution; however, real-world performance was anything but. One problem, perhaps unrecognized at the time, was that runtime code paths are difficult to predict, meaning that it becomes exceedingly difficult to order instructions properly at compile time. For instance, an instruction to add two numbers will take considerably longer if the data are not in the cache, yet there is no way for the programmer to know if they are or not. If an incorrect guess is made, the entire pipeline will stall, waiting for the data. The entire i860 design was based on the compiler efficiently handling this task, which proved almost impossible in practice. While theoretically capable of peaking at about 60-80 MFLOPS for both single precision and double precision for the XP versions,[5] hand-coded assemblers managed to get only about up to 40 MFLOPS, and most compilers had difficulty getting even 10 MFLOPs. The later Itanium architecture, also a VLIW design, suffered again from the problem of compilers incapable of delivering optimized (enough) code.
I feel like I've wiki-skimmed this chip like 20 times now and still I never knew about this. You'd think they would have learned.

Still, 40 MFLOPS sounds pretty damn good compared to x86 at the time, the 486DX-33 hit like what, 2 peak?

>>55398603
I want to see that
>People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms
card, please.

>>55404262
>>People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms
My new favorite acronym.

>>55404278
What's funny is I used PCMCIA cards for years and could never remember what it stood for, but somebody told me that joke once and 10 years later I still fucking remember it.

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Some of the new toys for my recently bought Amiga 600 arrived today.

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>>55404857
I guess I'll quickly install them.

>>55398199
holly shit i remember that ad

i remember seeing it and wishing i had more than 4mb RAM

>>55399379

Modern computer is a MacBook Pro 13" i7. Classic computers:

Power Mac G5 2x2.5 GHz (Tiger+Classic layer)
Power Mac G4 2x1.42 GHz (Tiger partition + hacked bootable OS 9 partition)
TiBook 1 GHz w/SSD (Tiger+Classic+SSD Meme)
PowerBook G3 PDQ 233 MHz (Mac OS 9)
Performa 6300 (System 7.5; inb4 shitty Performa: this machine works damn well for its generation)
Power Mac 6100/66 w/Apple 486 DOS card (System 7.5 + Windows 3.1)

I need to add a 68040 Mac.

I want to add a compact Mac (Plus or SE).

I really want a NeXT cube.

>>55404985
can the MDD 1.42s not boot OS 9?

was thinking of grabbing one since my 1 GHz Quicksilver is slower than shit for web surfing, thanks SDRAM

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>>55404262

Here you go senpai

>>55405773
Man, I hate that they have to relabel everything.
Specially because all the places selling Amiga stuff who also sell common things that PCMCIA WiFi card, they just put a Amiga sticker on it and sell it for almost double the price of the actual item.

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>>55402830
cropped
>>55404852
>>55404874
>>55404857
War has never been so much fun

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>>55406188

>>55406188

It sells for double the price because it comes with a floppy disk that has a TCP stack and packet driver one click installer.

>>55408419
That's a all new level of laziness then.
Just buy a compatible PCMCIA WIFI card and download the drivers and stack from Aminet, even the proprietary TCP stacks have key files available nowadays with a simple Google search.

It's probably even faster.

>>55398670
>>55398713
>take this /g/ worthy thread and take it over to /v/ because i don't like it!!!
Have you ever heard of HIDING POSTS?

>>55408666
I don't actually know why they post /v/?
How is old technology related to video games?

>>55408714
>only use of a computer is gaming. so old computer -> retro /v/
kids nowadays

>>55408765
Then they are on the wrong board...

>>55408400

Also don't forget, there's a killer on the loose and he's got an excuse, he was rented by the government to put his gun to use.

>>55408784
yes. they are. these kids flood this board with GPU, n/V/idia or other gaming shit threads, because of muh actual tech.
But if a real tech related thread appears:
>>>>/v/

>>55403883
Give pls

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>>55408841

>>55408883
this.

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I use a CRT, so I guess this counts

>>55408666
we were telling the fantard to take his console wars shitposting back to >>>/v/ not the entire thread dipshit

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>tfw consumer desktops were cool once

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>>55413224
still want the shit out of one of these, one of the few old designs that could probably make for a real nice modern revival

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>>55413290
or these, before Acer turned to shit

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>>55413224
The monitor gives me similar vibes as the Powermac 5400

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>>55413388
…especially the stealth black variant

>Want to start collecting vintage tech
>No one in my area seems to sell anything that was made before 2006, or if it's older its in terrible condition and they want outrageous amounts of money for it
This is truly the worst ;_;

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>>55413404
That definitely feels a little closer.

>>55413424
Probably wouldn't hurt to just buy yourself something nice off of Ebay if it really interests you.

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>>55397463
anon... i need your powermac 7x00 for nostalgia sake... it was my childhood PC, mine was dead in 2005 and now i missed it a lot...

>>55405027
>can the MDD 1.42s not boot OS 9?

Not originally.

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2671.0

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,2109.0.html

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any suggestions for a good looking case to put my current desktop into? only requirements are that it's big enough for a micro atx board and a fullsize graphics card.
pic is a mac my dad and i put a pc into a few years ago, just the tower tho the screen is paper lol

>>55414016
What's it like having a romantic relationship with your gay dad?

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>>55413852
I love that the classic Mac community still has enough life in it that people are trying things like this.

I hope that this continues long enough that Classic Mac OS is reverse-engineered to the point of creating WINE-like compatibility layers for old Mac software or maybe an rPi-like miniaturized modern approximation of one of the old PowerMacs. Eventually all old mac hardware will cease to function and things that can't be run in SheepShaver or Basilisk II will be permanently lost to the sands of time. There's quite a lot of software that falls under that category, so it'd be quite a shame if it were ever to come to pass…

>>55414120
pretty nice lol
what is this even supposed to mean

>>55414123
Early OS X and A/UX had such a compatibility layer, probably isn't that difficult to implement.

I don't really think the hardware will cease to function for a very long time at least, considering there's IC-based hardware nearing its 50th birthday that's still working fine.

>>55414608
>Early OS X and A/UX had such a compatibility layer, probably isn't that difficult to implement.
Indeed it did. I used Classic up until it disappeared in OS X 10.5. It worked well enough for most things but caused issues with some software, most notably some games and things that needed direct hardware access. Any newly developed compatibility layers would need to provide a more complete virtual machine than Classic mode did.


>I don't really think the hardware will cease to function for a very long time at least, considering there's IC-based hardware nearing its 50th birthday that's still working fine.
You're probably right, but at the same time hardware seems to age less and less gracefully with increasing miniaturization. I can't help but think that Macs made in the late 90s and early 00s will be shorter-lived than Apple IIs and late 80s/early 90s Macs.

I really want to pick up a Windows 95 laptop or early-System 7 era PowerBook.

the biggest issue is that I also want it to be something approaching portable (eg, battery lasting longer than 30 seconds, even if not longer than 10 minutes), and I really can't bring myself to spend that much on principle for an old-ass machine that's mostly for fun

>>55396374
I want to go there pretty fucking badly, but it's on the opposite side of the country from me, and way fucking north.

>>55398603
wanted an Amiga for years to use it for OctaMED and AHX and shit
also, games

>>55398199
fuck, that hardware design is super sexy, very bold looking

>>55413424
Check behind schools, hospitals, local businesses, and other places with large amounts of tech that they frequently update.

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My 1980s toshibas

>>55414123
the Mini vMac guy is working on more accurate emulation than Basilisk II can provide, but it's really slow going because he has a life

would be nice for something like that to happen on the PPC side of things though, SheepShaver has never been terribly stable, and the dynarec versions, although fast, have had a mean tendency to die for no apparent reason every once in a while (nothing like futzing around with Infini-D and then poof, the last 10 minutes of what you were doing are gone)
it's also never been considered terribly accurate, so quite a bit of shit just doesn't work

>>55415265
>Mac guy
>has a life
kek

>>55415265
>would be nice for something like that to happen on the PPC side of things though, SheepShaver has never been terribly stable, and the dynarec versions, although fast, have had a mean tendency to die for no apparent reason every once in a while (nothing like futzing around with Infini-D and then poof, the last 10 minutes of what you were doing are gone)
>it's also never been considered terribly accurate, so quite a bit of shit just doesn't work
Yeah, I worry that we'll never get solid, accurate PPC Mac emulation. It'll be great to eventually have top-notch 68k emulation, but a good half or more old Mac software is PPC only.

Modern variants of PPC chips used in Macs are still being manufactured which makes me wonder if new hardware designed to run Classic Mac OS might be a better option in the long run.

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>>55415461
I wouldn't bet on a new hardware run to bring back PPC macs, pic related is a SBC with a similar PPC to what was used, it's still a fairly complex design. Tho this happens to be a remote access card from an IBM blade server, so maybe repurposing existing hardware could be an idea? These are like $20 on ebay.

>>55415738
Anything using variants of the G3 (750 series) or G4 (7400 series) are within the realm of possibility. If it uses OpenFirmware that makes things easier, but emulation of OF functions is likely sufficient.

PPC G5s (970 series) and newer are where things get really iffy. It seems that this is where the architectural differences start becoming insurmountable.

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Memories...

>>55411662
Not a fan of your gimped kb but the CRT and IE3 are nice.
>>55413404
Looks mega comfy desu
>>55415224
also comfy

>>55416411
Just asking, what country are you in?

>>55416584
Franconia

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What should I bring back to life next? Maybe I'll try the Bondwell B200. XT laptop with nice Cherry Blues for keyboard - but it needs some soldering.

>>55400060
God, I loved this Film.

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>>55400060

>>55416612
No wonder you have easy access to loads of Bifi! You live so close to the factory ship.

>>55417262
Exactly this my friend. I'm blessed.

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I browsed my old stuff - found my globe...

>>55417198
>those fingerprints

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>>55417198
>ruining a good thread with a gif of an idiot
Anon, please.

>>55417428
>ruining a good thread with a tumblr gif
Anon, please.

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Sad to see it go to, but I had no say in saving it unfortunately.

1GB of DDR RAM, P3866, 40GB IDE, 3.5" Floppy and a CDROM Drive.

Would've been perfect for a 90s gaming machine.

Sorry if this isn't vintage enough.

>>55416916
What's that adorable little laptop in the center?

gonna lol if mia is itt

>>55398031
Looks like the same monitor I used to have. I quite liked it as a secondary monitor, thought I burned the phosphor away like crazy with the rather static window layout.

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>>55417823
90's gaming was the shit.

1GB of DDR ram

damn it my oldest pc that i kept after my 1995 machine has only 960MB i can't get it to 1GB
currently its booting off a 60gb laptop drive mine is Parkard-bell i285 media center
this celeron should be near highest teir P3

why no 1GB of DDR 266 :(
Can't find a real 486 socket chip to replace it

Yes its not super old.

the onboard is 256mb Vram so no bad for 2002 pc I replaced my cd rom drive with IDE DVD-RW years ago when it was a super expensive shit.
this was my mums prebuild her last desktop so glade she never used it much.

>all these PC's with sun damage

guess what shitheads no sun damage
this is why i stopped buying beige because its shit and ages badly

why are vinagefags never looking after your old shit?
Have some pride.

Pic related.

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>>55397463
Fuck, I remember my grade-school using those Performas. All dat nostalgia of programming in pic related.

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have some meme drives

>>55418373
man i wanted a zip drive so badly in 1990-1995 why didn't i buy one?

;_;
biggest regret i ever made.

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>>55418448
saw one at a flea market years ago but i didn't know what it was at the time

>>55418373

I have a Zip drive and some disks for it. Shame it connects to a parallel port to work.

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>>55418477
you can get a adpater for PCI for parallel

>i still don't own a zip drive
>my old pc still has a parallel port
>i still don't own the best ever parallel device
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>55418477
I have parallel and serial on my desktop. The card was ~$20. I got it for programming radios.

>>55418592
>>55418637

Ah. Good to know. Thanks.

>>55418477
>>55418592
There are also USB-parallel adapters... The usual Chinese websites should have them.

>>55399749
Wow, suddenly WinAMP's existence, design, and name all make sense.

>>55399749
>back when CD Audio decoding was done in hardware
The background music of Warcraft II was actually done this way. You could literally play the music in an ordinary audio CD player.

>>55418316
If you want good shit you generally have to go for beige whether you want to or not

>>55418475
I practically trip over these things in thrift stores. I have 9; 5 SCSI, 2 parallel and 2 USB.

>>55418754
thanks anon

>>55418868
REEEEEEEEEE

>>55419107
Stop rubbing it in my face !

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>>55418853
So was the music for Descent. Brilliant way to include music of far higher quality than the rest of the game with zero CPU+RAM penality. It also meant that Descent automatically supported using any audio CD as a substitute soundtrack.

>>55419379
>Descent
correction, only the Mac version of Descent with upgraded graphics and a redbook CD audio soundtrack did this. The DOS version used a midi soundtrack

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>>55417823
i had the tower version of that, with;
128M PC-133 SDRAM
Pentium 3 667MHz
10GB maxtor IDE hdd
3.5" DD floppy drive
24x CD-ROM reader
Integrated Intel i810 16M graphics
came with windows 98SE

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>You'll never have a keyboard for your SX-64

Why live

Someone in my local area is trying to sell off a Tandy TRS-80 Model 102 for cheap.

What are your opinions of this. I'm not really a vintage collector. I don't mind passing it off to a more serious collector if you're willing to cover shipping costs. I'm in Singapore.

>>55418316
It's hard to find anything without yellowing, they will go that in any room with a window.
Once you retrobright it back to white, keep it out of the light. No UV light in any kind.

>>55422282
>>55418316

Also, this does not happen to new plastics, yours won't go yellow, don't worry.

>>55418373
I kind of want to build a PC with dated drives and ports.

Just in case, you know, the apocalypse happens and we suddenly need to access data on stuff from the 90's.

>>55395022
I thought the one on the left was the new slim Xbox one.

>>55422472
>need to access data on stuff from the 90's.

Data storage from the 90's is rare already, there's probably 1/10 ratio of CD's made 90's VS 00's

>>55396036

Looks like an Australian model, be careful with the PSU voltage.

>>55417891
that little silver thing? It's a Siemens ic35. Nice little organizer with 2 mmc and a Smartcard slot. Sync via rs232 and IR. Many Software available including a basic Interpreter. I mainly used it as a mobile email client and comfy WAP browser, connected via IR to my Siemens sl45.

>>55396874

Well the Vic 20 was intended to be an ultra-cheap family computer, not a business/office machine, hence the cheap kb. Although some machines of the era had a lot worse, those chicklet style ones - at least this was a proper kb.

>>55397634

MorphOS is very slick, especially if you like Amiga stuff.

>>55404852
You need a Vampire 2 in that A600!

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>>55423631
Already ordered one!
Also ordered a FURIA for the meanwhile, the waiting line for the Vampire 2 is ridiculous! Like half a year. Could not find a ACA30, but the FURIA will do until I get my Vampire.

>>55422644

Why

I have a 9v ac 500ma and a pc PSU to use

will I be okay ?

>>55424674
If I remember correctly, the 9V is AC not DC.

>>55425940
Sexy

>>55425940
Hot as hell. But did they sell even a single unit outside japan?

>>55422231
Nice. But posting is isn't possible, am I right?

>>55426195
With a pass you can, I think

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>>55422231

http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=7047&sid=c7e3a5f1162b40d8e7acd31a12f2e25e&start=650

QEMU SUPPORTS OS 9.1!!!!

Great for all those who wanna play in this environment. ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT!!

I still have a g4 Silver with an accelerator from OWC, but it sits in a closet.

This would be a great way to get older illustrator and photoshop on linux without all the wine fuckery.

>>55417198
>>>/tumblr/

>>55416916
>Atari Portfolio
My low-gamma sibling.

>>55427019
Why use QEMU when there are better alternatives?

>>55423871
i dont want to know how wide the monitor on that thing must be

>>55422563
CDs weren't the primary means of data storage in the '90s, it's quite the opposite for floppy disks, Zip disks, Jaz cartridges and the like.

>>55427553
Real fucking lucky to find any magnetic storage still working from that period.
90% of the floppies I used in the end of the 90's are corrupted.

>>55427604
Humid area or lots of improperly stored stuff? I've got a couple bookshelves worth of floppy disks and zip disks, they all read fine, especially software disks.

Just installed some TV tuner card drivers on a 486 the other day from original media even though it hasn't been taken care of as well as it should have been.

>>55427604
All my Amiga floppies from the late 80s/early 90s still read fine.

>>55427928
This. My c64 floppies are all fine. Also 98% of my Atari ST disks.

>>55427842
>they all read fine, especially software disks
So there are problems with non-software disks?

>>55427928
>>55428004
No wonder, DD floppies don't rot as fast as HD ones.

>>55428401
Need to take a deeper look, some of the Atari disks are hd... maybe they are the 2%.

>>55427604
>find 100+ 3.5" mac floppies in barn
>1 bad sector on one disk

Still sorting them out and uploading shit to Macintosh Garden.

>>55399550
this makes me so happy

>>55428619
>find 100+ 3.5" mac floppies in barn
>1 bad sector on one disk

The actual changes of that would be enormous.
But we get your point.

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How do I purchase a beige supermicro case like pic related?

>>55429265
What's your homebase?

>>55429350
I'm in the UK.

>powered on my 1999 toshiba satellite pro
>everything seems to work fine except BIOS battery
>LCD screen has some brighter than normal spots
Is it dying? Also both hinges are broken and I can only find very expensive spares

>>55429541
Shit. sorry, I only deliver EU wide...

>>55429635
Britain is still in the EU.

>>55416916
>Siemens SIMpad
>Siemens IC35
What's broken in these? If the IC35 has a broken firmware, then it can still be saved

>>55429541
Maybe I have one. I dumped a lot of my old shit, so i have to take a look, but I'm in Germany.

>>55429689
IC35 works fine. I have 2 of them, both without any flaw.
Simpad runs only into touchscreen calibration. Some capacitor issues I guess.

>>55429772
And what's wrong with the compaq pocketpc? Had one as well and the screen hinges cracked

>>55429836
Only battery, it works perfect with power supply. But I lost the modem cable...

>>55428619
What have you found so far?

>>55428401
>So there are problems with non-software disks?
I mean pre-manufactured, pre-pressed? I am very tired and can't recall a good term for them.
Off-the-shelf blanks aren't very reliable over extended read/write cycles, probably the only ones I have problem with.

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>found these amiga floppies a few years ago
>have no amiga
Most just have "pictures" written on them

>>55429635
But the UK is still considered EU, I order shit from there all the time.

You know, geographically nothing has changed.

>>55430029
Yeah, factory ones survive better. Bootleg games and self written floppies tend to age worse.

>>55430040
More pics!

>>55429635
Spotted the anti-Brexit faggot.

>>55430074
>>55430136
Was just fun. I don't want to lose brits. But I'm still laughing...

>>55430121
There's really no reason to post them, Most are real and pirated common amiga games
Is there a good way to read these on a PC without additional hardware? I heard that if you have two floppy drives then you can somehow read amiga floppies with some special software, but when I tried that it reported many read errors

>>55430273
So do you have one?

>>55394691
i used to have this

or something very similiar to this model

i lost it

>>55430338
No, you can't read them without any special hardware.

You can make images from the, either using a parallel port floppy drive, needs some wiring skills or get a KryoFlux USB floppy controller.

There's no other way to read/write Amiga floppies on a PC.

>>55430338
>without additional hardware
Not really, no. I've been gradually converting my shoeboxes into DMS and saving them on a shared drive across a network but it's soul-crushing work that's mostly duplicated effort anyway.
>>55430417
There is a catweasel, but I might as well send him out for unicorn blood.

>>55430417
What is ADFRead

>>55430386
Only for mowing the garden and take out the garbage. can't afford a fulltime Brit...

>>55430434
>catweasel
Dead and gone.

>>55430438
http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/13-118

>>55429265
Aside from this German jester, does anyone else know where I can get my hands on something like this?
I've checked the supermicro website which had links to UK suppliers, but found nothing.

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Where Apple IIc's really that popular?

You see them everywhere nowadays, they are like
>baby's first vintage computer restore

>>55431334
The II line in general was popular in America. I've seen IIcs and IIes show up to be recycled over here.

>>55397463
>dat IIFX and probably a 1400C as well

Great taste in Macs anon.

>>55431334
It was cheap, ran a lot of software and looked nice while it did it, carried it along well enough.

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>>55431417
>Great taste
>in Macs

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>>55432580

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>>55432638
Everytime.

>>55427370
>better alternatives
nothing else emulates 9.1 or 9.2

>>55427524
IIRC, on a monitor, that would be displayed with doubled height.

>>55432753
>nothing else emulates 9.1 or 9.2
SheepShaver with 9 to 9.2 update? PearPC with modded OpenFirmware?

Could you seriously not boot 9.2 before with a modded OpenFirmware? Like PearPC?

>>55433156
no one has managed to get PearPC to boot pre-X Mac OS at all (it'd totally be doable, but PearPC development is dead as a rock, while QEMU is actively developed).
Sheepshaver maxes out at 9.0.4 to this day.

This is really the first emulation of 9.1 or 9.2.

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Oldest PC I've got is this old E4300 1.8GHz Optiplex 745.

>>55435530
People shit on Dells but I kind of like them, they just have a very reliable, rugged, technological look to them, and are so common they're practically iconic.

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>>55436652
The BTX optiplexes were borderline workstations, big heatsinks and they can upgrade well.

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Just dug these old beasts up this evening. Time to get to work.

Intel SDK 85 and Timex Sinclair 1000

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>>55418373
Fuck yeah JAZ. Got a box full of them from a friend.

>>55434191
Are you for real? Not him but even I have run it before.

>>55436867
>take Intel SDK 85 to airport
>profit

>>55416757

This system bothers me. Why is it labeled green monitor when it is obviously green? Why is there a sticker on the keyboard that has a picture of the tape, monitor, and keyboard?

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>>55436867
>that keyboard rigged to the ZX81

>>55422231
How?

>>55440701
>S 19200,8N1
Null modem cable and a shitbox running Linux or similar.

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>>55440493

There was a market for 3rd party spectrum keyboards due to it being fucking awful.

>>55422231
Mikromikko? I have same type of laptop, but it's CMOS batteries and hard drive are dead. And it refuses to boot because of power management issues since the laptops battery is dead also.

>>55440740
Thanks

>>55439741
Obviously made for idiots.

>>55440740
>not having a Ethernet NIC
>not running Lynx natively

>>55442787
no pcmcia ports

>>55442842
>not having PCMCIA ports

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>>55442787
>putting unnecessary load on your system
>having an RJ-45 ethernet NIC in a system that predates its common usage
>not having a phone line emulator and a modem
>not dialing into an emulated PDP-10 running a personal BBS every time you want to check your email
>not shitposting with yourself

>>55443083

Why the fuck, I don't even...

from what i've read, amiga's use standard floppy drive hardware, but are formatted/handled differently to pc's
there's apparently software for DOS that can handle amiga disks on PC hardware
you would certainly need a PC that has a real floppy controller for this though, a USB floppy drive probably won't do (unless it was designed to read amiga disks as well, i suppose)

>>55443588
Amigas don't have standard floppy drive hardware, that's the problem.
Nor the controller or the drive are PC compatible, yes, a few special drives will work on both machine, but's that's all.

http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/13-118
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Chip_Set#Floppy_disk_controller

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Got a question for you guys, because people in /mkg/ doesnt seem to know/care

I got some old kb-6151 with 5pin plug
I bought some cheap 5pin/ps2 adapter, but keyboard doesnt seem to work

no matter what position xt/at switch is at, theres no output, instead numpad keys and function keys light up diodes when pressed

is my keyboard totally fucked?
theres no visible damage on pcb/chips

>pic related this is how it looked like when I found it

>>55444293
Weird, it should work in 286 mode.

>>55444335
I know, thats why I'm asking

>>55444376

You don't have the right adapter. Get an "active" XT adapter with 180 degree female din5 plug.

>>55444412
keyboard has AX mode tho, wich should work with my cheapass 5pin/ps2

or am I wrong?

>>55444444
oh shit
check them repeating numbers

>>55444444

No, it's still a passive adapter. I don't know if 8088 vs 80286 is even AT mode, but either way you need an active adapter to power the board.

>>55444482
thanks anon
really tought irs just fried

>>55444444
Nice digits

>>55444444
Oh shit
>octpurgisnacht is coming

>>55444482
>tfw poorfag living in 2nd world country

I literally cant find a sinle active adapter sold online in my country

>>55444710
Can't order from ebay or outside?
Where the fuck do you live?

>>55444826
po(or)land
and 40$ for an adapter is prety expensive for me

>>55444444
fuck bro with those digits you can't be wrong

>>55444859
I just ordered a few packages from Poland, kek.
Arrived with a few days.

>>55444444
stop posting every thread