So why is everyone saying this card is bad? I looked up som

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>>55365857

yeah just get it anon, you'll be fine

>>55365857
Costs more than aftermarket 970 for reference 480, they trade blows in performance, can't overclock as well as the 970, shit reference cooler and non reference cards will cost even more.

Also
https://community.amd.com/thread/202410

>get the 480
>coil whine
>ends up being practically unusable

Somebody kill me.

>>55365857
The card is pretty good if you dont have a motherboard from 2007. I'm going to get the aftermarket version just cause they OC better. But these meme are so fucking funny tho lol >>55365878

>>55365857
It's a great card for motherboard manufacturers, they're seeing sales spike.

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>>55365857
Just make sure you have a fire extinguisher on hand at all times

>>55365857
The performance/price is good. Its the just the power draw from the PCI-E is in the same tier as 3.5. Maybe worse cause 3.5 didn't brick your MB. Wait for class actions/refund/updated reference and after market cards.

why were there constant threads saying this was going to beat a $600 nvidia card?

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>>55365857
Wait for the Sapphire versions.

>>55366355
shills from both sides trying to hype the card to unreasonable expectations. Amdfags delusional that it could and nvidiafags to blast it when it didn't.

>>55366355
Because amd shills are delusional

>>55365857
>>55365946
The 970 is more expensive than the 480 in the USA.

Cheapest 970 new on newegg is $265
4 gig 480 is $200. 8 gig 480 is $240-$250 on newegg.

At this point a 970 is only worth it if you can't wait for stock to come in on the 480.

>>55366174
install windows 10. no, really, it worked for me.

>>55366503
It's like a 50 dollar difference in aus, with the 970 unfortunately being the better option.

Hopefully when demand drops so will prices

>>55366400
sexy

and dubs >checked

>>55365857
>So why is everyone
>everyone
is one fucking guy spamming the shit.

>>55366549
>all of /g/ is one guy

>>55365857
everyone here just chatting about the RX 480 while im waiting for a rx 470.

>>55366617
meant to say the. not a

>>55365946
Exactly this.

RX480 cant even compete with last gen gimped 970s. And 970s are also cheaper.

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>>55366503
These guys are comparing a reference board to a custom cooler version(aka AIB). Just wait till the 480 after market versions. Do you need a card this week? because the AIBs should be out in 2 to 3 weeks.

>>55366796
I'm unironically excited to see this design, though I'm probably just going to get whichever aftermarket version has the best reviews.

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>>55365857
Nothing wrong with the gpu itself.
Reference PCB and cooler is shit. Wait for aftermarket cards.

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>>55366914
Same here.
I'm curious to see what MSI has. Also for what I seen none of them will exceed $300 USD most of them around around $260 area.

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GPUs killed /g/

>>55365857
A bunch of kids are trolling or overclocking and frying their motherboards so /v/ and /g/ are having a field day.

Ironically nvidia cards spike much harder in wattage than the 480 but don't tell them that. Seeing them talk about the 480 being a mobo killer while running their 960s or 750s is amusing.

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Whoa I just did a Google images search and found this.

>better performance than gtx 970
>DX12 support (implying that rx480 will be reliable when dx12 will be)

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I apologize.

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Dumb question, but 480 related, do I have to upgrayedd to Windows 10 to use DX12?
I don't want to do that, but I do want the best performance out of my hardware if I end up getting it.

>>55366400
>wait for 100$ premium

>>55365857
Pcie spec, Google it

it literally will ruin your motherboard.

>>55366174

>buying a shit brand

Just go with sapphire/MSI/ASUS you idiot.

>>55367136
This is excatly the same problem I I'm going to have. Plus I usually pirate windows but you can get windows 10 keys for about $30


http://www.kinguin.net/category/19429/windows-10-professional-oem-key/

>>55367136
directx 12 is win10 exclusive, yes
Vulkan isn't, so you can use it in Win7 or even linux !

>>55367229
Vulkan is also an unoptimized piece of shit

>>55367136

Yes.

>>55367252
What even supports Vulkan? Its one of those terms I see repeatedly but not sure exactly what the deal is. It's the remnants of Mantle right? But it can't just be a DX12 substitute right, devs will have to support it?
If anyone has a good article or explanation I'm curious

>>55367334
Nothing.

It runs hot as fuck but I like mine a lot.

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>>55367334
Doom is getting a Vulkan patch at some point.

I was considering getting an RX 480 to replace my GTX 750 Ti but I don't like that it uses so much power and might destroy my motherboard.

The RX 470 will be better right?

I just want to play Doom.

>>55367334
Dota has beta vulkan support

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>>55367634
900 series did the same shit

here's a fuckin 960

>>55367589
How hot?

>>55365857
>So why is everyone saying this card is bad?
Because it is new technology that draws the same power and performs about the same as a card that is two years older for a similar price?

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>>55367634
>I was considering getting an RX 480 to replace my GTX 750 Ti but I don't like that it uses so much power and might destroy my motherboard.

Reallyyyyyyy

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>>55366796
Some AiBs are over doing it, aren't they? 3 fans for sub 200w TDP mid-range card is overkill and makes the card unnecessary long that some budget cases won't be able to fit in.

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>>55365857

>>55365857
>same price as a 970 but
>worse performance in almost all titles but DX12
>violates PCI-e specs and will brick your pc
>shittier drivers than usual
>implying by the time DX12 is normal and you actually need 8gb that this OR the 970 will perform up to standard

>>55367889
>Violates PCI-E
>believing leddit
>PCI-E SIG said it was alright
> >>55367794 and >>55367711
>worse than 970 but on par with 970 SSC

wow pajeet

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>>55367933
Don't project your reddit browsing on to me, /v/tard.

Enjoy your breaky 970, bricked motherboard and 0 OC headroom for the same price :)

>>55367634
Wait for custom PCB cards with 8-pin power cables, they won't have that issue.

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>>55367945
>0 OC headroom
>got to 1360 on a shitty AMD stock cooler
>believing leddit fanboyism
>literally every card goes over 75w but because it's 10w over you're asspained

wew lad

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>>55367711
Only asus you stupid shill.

Real men buy Gigabyte.

>>55367989
>shill
>reference design isn't always shit
>1000 series didn't inflate their own price with founders edition shit

>>55367945
There isn't any bricked motherboard news yet. Weren't you suppose to make a shill thread with such a claim, Rajesh?

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>>55366580

>>55368003
lol
AMD can't afford to increase the price, the 480 barely outclassed the two years old, old generations 28nm process GTX 970 both on power efficiency and performance.

When you don't have a quality product to sell the only market where you can compete is with price.

>>55368078
you mean a card that's supposed to compete with the 1060 has about the same performance as a 970?

No fucking shit right mate

>>55367027
No they don't, the 480 is literally the only card that has the power issue

>>55368111
>other graphs posted in thread
>let's ignore that

>>55367711
No it doesn't

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Power-Consumption-Concerns-Radeon-RX-480/Evaluating-ASUS-GTX-960-Strix

960 is completely fine, only the 480 is fucked

>>55368122
Now you're just making yourself look stupid. The 960 has been extensively tested, it has zero power issue.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Power-Consumption-Concerns-Radeon-RX-480/Evaluating-ASUS-GTX-960-Strix

>>55365857
Then buy faggot

>>55365857
install gentoo

>>55368087
While having horrible performance/watts compared to Nvidia Maxwell old technology.


The chip is a failure.

>>55368142
>>55368130
samefag.

>>55368130
>>55368142
>>55368187

Certain versions

Believe it or not, some partners have shit cards on both sides.

but instead of taking the Nvidia cock out of your mouth, you're just calling it a bad card when it's just a fucking reference design.

>>55368216
Nope, literally every single 960 is completely within spec.

The 480 is the ONLY card that goes beyond the pcie power limit, that's why it's such a huge deal.

>>55368231
see >>55367982

>>55368231
>literally every single 960 is completely within spec.

>gigabyte and EVGA are the only ones in spec

not sure if trolling, shilling, paid or stupid

>>55368234
>pic shows reference 980
>pulling over 120w out of the PCI-E lane

wew lad

need ID's in /g/ now i think

idenify all the shilling

>>55368246
Sorry the truth hurts, literally every single 960 is within spec

>>55368281
>ignores ASUS STRIX literally in the thread

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>>55368258
Again you are looking at the wrong numbers, here's from that exact same review, pic related.

It never even goes over 60W on the PCIE

Would it be retarded to buy a 970 right now? I need a card, and people are selling 970s off on Ebay.

>>55365946
I feel sorry for that guy. All he wants is help and he gets made fun of, told his GTX 750Ti with an extra 6 pin killed his PCI-E slot and then asked if he tried the card in another computer.

Fucking hell looking at that is just miserable.

>>55368291
I hope you know how to read.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Power-Consumption-Concerns-Radeon-RX-480/Evaluating-ASUS-GTX-960-Strix

>>55368291

You are incredibly stupid, the asus strix was extensively tested and has no power issues, see below

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Power-Consumption-Concerns-Radeon-RX-480/Evaluating-ASUS-GTX-960-Strix

>>55368296
The 970 is actually one of the best buys right now.

I would go for a 970 or a 390 over the 480 any day

>>55366355
Unrealistic expectations.

>>55366355
I'm neutral and own an AMD card atm but I was shitposting the most outlandish nonsense about the 480 for weeks because idiots on /g/ kept believing it

>>55368316
Is there a good chance that these voltage spike issues will be fixed in a timely manner or what? If not, I will probably just buy a 970 or 390. I don't want to wait another 6 months.

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>>55368246
>only gigabyte and evga
Lol, some brands over over spec in nanosecond spikes by 5w, and then there's Asus which AMDrones assume to be all 960s.

>>55368316
This. Though I'd wait till affordable dx12 cards hit.

fyi lads nvidia wont make any money on the current 970's as they are at clearance prices

>>55368387
We have no idea honestly. The 3rd party boards could be good, but no idea even when those will come out or if they're fixed.

The 970 and 390 are tried and tested and at a great price right now.

>>55368408
DX12 doesn't really matter to me. I won't be using Windows 10.

>>55368273
I concur. Enough shillspam.

>>55366355
AMD literally marketered as 2x cads beating a 1080, people expected 980 performance because in average a 1080 beats 980SLI,

>>55368387
Voltage spikes don't matter they are caused by switchers and are impossible to "fix", averages power draw matters.

>>55365857
reference card is dogshit, and has power issues
but hopefully the non reference cards will be good.
only downside is that it's an amd card and you have to deal with amd drivers. and I'd much rather take a performance/price penalty to have a nicer overall experience.

>>55368440
That's the problem when they use bias benchmarks like ashes, gives people unrealistic expectations.

AMD seriously brought this upon themselves. The low performance and the power issue make the 480 a disaster.

>>55365857

because amd knew about the pci-e issue before it launched.

nda lifted the day it launched and review copies were sent out on the 10th.

>>55368480
Holy shit, it all makes sense now. That's why they didn't lift the NDA until release day.

>tfw you bought a rx 480

Rip my motherboard

>>55366989
At that point you honestly might be better off buying the 970

AMD is recalling 480s in transit and will reflash them to consume less power before reshipping. BIOS update probably soon

>>55365857
Radeon is shit.

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I know this is probably a stupid idea, but bear with me:

Is there any reason why using a 6 pin to 8 pin PCIE adapter with the 480 card won't work? If it works it will allow the 480 to draw all 150W from the 8 pin slot instead of taking from the motherboard. .

>>55368561
That's literally what the 480 is doing by pulling in 75W+ from the PCI-E

>>55368502
NDAs are always bad news. Why would they want to keep a lid on the news if the card was great?

>>55368454
>low performance
>Slightly better than a 970 in the reference shitty throttling form factor

Lol okay, I'm honestly expecting ~980 or a little less from proper cooling solutions with proper power delivery.

>>55368561
No because the card is still getting only 6pin power from the psu.

>>55368596
>expecting 2 year old performance 2 generations of cards later
Man you AMD buyers really set yourself up for all the disappointment you feel.

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>>55368561
Nope, if you want to fix it, you have to do this, pic related

>>55368561
Because the card is not designed to draw that much from the 6 pin? You can draw 200W from the 6pin without any stupid adapter if you want. In fact you're better off without one.

The card just doesn't. By design. It's actually very common for cards to draw like ~100W from a 6 pin.

Needs a better cooler. It's great for the price at face value but it's shortcomings prevent it from being 970 OC tier. The potential fuck up will come down to the AIB releases and their price points which will either be good or a disappointment based on price and OC potential with proper cooler. Just watch AMD fuck this with the "RX 490" release having a closed loop liquid cooler like the Fury series, touting "overclockers dream" and it's OC'd out of the box 10% over 480 and has next to no head room because of the yields not allowing past 15% 480 performance [and it's going to cost $349 minimum killing value].

>>55368548
This is actually a good thing considering the devs fucked up last minute when you can undervolt it and it runs just fine. Probably a last ditch covert attempt to make the 480 bench higher via more volts. Just as bad as Nvidia. Shame.

>>55368548
Source? I want to believe.

>>55365857

I'm looking forward to aftermarket 480. As long as all current issues are resolved it will be a pretty sweet buy.
I'm also looking at the 390/390x. A used one should cost roughly the same as a new 480. Them watt and heat though.

>>55365857
people are extra butthurt/vindicated that the $200 card doesn't outperform the $400 cards. Which is pretty retarded.

>Same price as a 970

What magical fucking land do you live in where the 970 is that cheap? I had trouble finding a non-stock 770 for $175 or less.

>>55368297
AMDrones called him a troll because someone found a Steam profile with the same name.

Poor guy is shamed for using a common name.

>>55368748
970 is actually cheaper in europe in many countries including mine. 480 is over 300 euro here which is absurd.

>>55366174
fucking put some putty on or RMA you fuckboi

>>55366503
>$15 FOR a better card

>>55365857
power/current limited

Needs more wires and cooling.

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>>55368825
If the 1060 performs at / around the 980 but with 6gb of VRAM for $250 or less then the 480 is kill.

>>55368813
but it's a last gen card that gets hotter, draws more power, is less optimized for DX12, and likely will not get any better from driver updates over the next 6 months (AMD drivers are notoriously unoptimised at launch)

>>55368857
>NVIDIA
>$250 or less
Lmfao

>>55368876
The 480 actually gets much hotter than the 970. But the main problem is the power issues, no way should anyone buy it until they work it out.

>>55367873
So, still just a 6-pin then?

>>55367873
the devil is usually either a hybrid card (clearly not the case here) or a dual card.

>>55368857
According to leaked sources the FE will be $250 so $20 more than the stock 480 but then the aftermarket cards will come up cheaper than that at probably the same price as the 480 8gb reference.

>tfw the whole point of the FE debacle was to undercut amd in the midrange segment so aftermarket cards are priced the same as amd reference cards but nvidia still make their profit from FE sales too

Its a genius move if it is the case.

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>>55368883
The 960 released at / around $250. So it's not unrealistic especially considering the 1070 is already plenty fine to be the 490(X) competitor by the time it's out.

>>55365946
>Cost is higher than a new GTX 970

Where are you people finding these? I'm still seeing USED GTX 970s sell for $250+. Newegg, Amazon, shit, even Tiger Direct are selling 970s at $300.

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>>55369363
Are you a canoodle by any chance?

>>55367136
Windows 10 does NOT supply a double dose of pimpin', but yes.

>>55369363
Brand new 970s for $250 http://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=186&sort=a8&page=1

>>55368905
That's because the heatsink is smaller than my testicles.

>>55367607
some anons in the steam forums speculate they found the console command to enable it

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I sure wish these 970s were all $200. I mean, they're VR Ready™ and great for 4k™.

>>55368825
Yeah, I can't wait to wait for months until they're steadily on stock.

>>55365946
>>55368297

>thousands and thousands of cards sold
>some stupid conspiracy of an issue that many cards have had that would, at best, cause a shutdown will somehow melt motherboards
>some random guy, a single person, reports the issue
>is literally the only reported case of this happening.

>HURR WHY DOES NO ONE BELEIVE HIM? POOR GUY AMD IS FINISHED HOUSEFIRES HUR DUR

>>55366796
RGB lighting on a video card is autistic as shit. The lighting on the fans will not be noticeable because it faces downward. Have fun paying +100$ extra for some shitty lighting that you will never use

>>55369627
He's not, there's two guys in that thread having issues, another one who destroyed the audio output on his board by using a 480, and another who couldn't even use the 480 because the motherboard kept shutting down constantly. This is just on day one too.

>>55369660
Good.

>>55369660
>mfw all this bad press is glorious

Can't wait to see the shit storm when someone actually records their motherboard being fried by there ayymd card

>>55369794
Their*

GUYS

I BOUGHT THE 480 ON A WHIM

I OPENED THE BOX ON ONE SIDE BUT NEVER TOOK THE CARD OUT OF THE PLASTIC BAG SO ITS BRAND NEW

I BOUGHT IT FROM MICROCENTER

WILL THEY LET ME RETURN IT?

>>55368857
AMD can drop the price of the 8GB RX480 to $200, right now if they wanted too.

>>55365857
the people saying this card is bad are literal nvidia shills

people are saying that the rx480 draws power like crazy.

does that affect the motherboard too much?

I also have a 750 w power supply would the wattage be an issue for me?

>>55370149
it doesn't matter ant the people saying that are shills

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>>55370115
Shut up faggot, the card is genuinely really fucking bad

t. an apparent nvidia shill

>>55370165
and you are genuinely a fucking shill now fuck off back to /v/
>>>/v/

>>55370149
Yes it can cause your motherboard to shut off as can be seen in Science Studio's video. It's a massive issue right now and people are suing AMD for it.

>>55370050
Yes.

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>>55370191
hmmmmmmmmmm

>>55370188
I don't play video games Poojeet

>>55370050
there is no reason to return it just enjoy your new gpu

>>55370165
>I don't own the card but I'm telling you its bad!!!

Sure buddy, I will admit the card has a voltage issue but their are a lot of cards that do this.

>>55370212
https://youtu.be/rhjC_8ai7QA

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>>55370191
Did you see the shit board he had? The card did him a favor.

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>>55370235
DELET THIS

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>>55370050
Are you returning it because of /g/?

>>55370245
>using poorfag card with expensive mobo

>>55370235
>>55370256
N/v/idiot shills belong back on /v/
>>>/v/

>>55370230
No. This is the only card which consistently draws more than the specified pcie limit. The issue here is that it does it at stock too. There are some nvidia cards which did this but it was a aftermarket asus card and 750 ti but both of them averaged way lower than the specified limit.

>>55370230
>it's not a shit card if another shit card also had this issue

okay fag, keep getting reamed in the ass by corps who like to cut corners because you feel some sort of senseless brand loyalty

>>55370262
Nah I'm going to pick up 1 monday.

>>55370282
>>55370280
N/v/idiot shills belong back on /v/
>>>/v/

>>55365857

Sapphire is gonna fix the reference model by adding a 8 pin and better cooling.

I'd rather wait for their Nitro model, though.

My 660 ti is still OK for playing Overwatch at 1080. I might even wait next year for Vega or the 1080 ti.

>>55370245
You don't seem to realize that most people who this card is targeted at will have similar hardware. Probably really shitty bargain bin motherboards with ancient amd cpu or even $100 prebuilts which will use some shitty Korean knockoff motherboards to keep costs down. Most people who buy this card will have the same problem. No one buys a z170 $150 mobo and a 6700k only to pair it with a budget 480.

>>55370235
>foxconn
Because when I think of reliability...

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>>55370280
>>55370282
The 480 is the best selling card right now. No one cares except you two. If people want to but the card let them, why do you guys get so hurt. I would buy it...but I'm waiting for the MSI or Sapphire versions.

>>55370365
Yeah okay enjoy your budget cuck card.

>>55370365
No idea what this has to do with the card being a steaming pile of shit or not, already we're seeing the morons who bought this card having fried motherboards

>>55370312
Z97/4790k.

Buying an RX480.

Hi.

>>55370365
>budget cards comes out for poor people
>goes straight to the top

Who didn't expect this? It's almost guaranteed the 1060 will take that top spot when it releases because it's nvidia and we all know more people buy nvidia.

>>55370417
>"realize that most"
>"that most"
>"most"

Reading comprehension helps.

>>55370262

Yes.

I don't know if my motherboard will make it.

Currently I have a 6950.

I have a Z68XP-UD3 motherboard with a 650 niggawatt PSU.

I don't overclock. Never even overclocked my i5 2500k or my 6950.

>>55370488
>No one buys a z170 $150 mobo and a 6700k only to pair it with a budget 480.
>No one

Perhaps, my friend, it is you who needs reading comprehension?

So should I fucking bother waiting for 480s to suck less, or should I just spring for a 390 right now? I am not planning on "upgrading" to Windows 10 for DX12.

>>55370398
>>55370402
N/v/idiot shills belong back on /v/
>>>/v/

>>55370516
He should have said no one who isn't a subhuman from /v/ getting money from his parents, I guess

>>55365857
>implying those 8gb matter even a little bit

it's just to get POOS like you to buy this shitty housefire

>>55370512

please respond

its 3 AM and i have work in 6 hours ;_ ;

>>55370516
>z97
>4790k

That shit is cheap as fuck now. Buying an z170 and 6700k is way more expensive. I can pick up a z97 motherboard for like 60 quid now whereas the cheapest z170 is like 100. Same goes for the cpu.

>>55370516
>post clearly says z170 and 6700k
>autistic manchild claims z170 =z97 and 6700k = 4790k even though the newer components are like $50-100 more expensive to buy

>>55370567
Just return it and buy a 1060, it's pretty much guaranteed to be better in every way

AMD sucks this generation, and for the foreseeable future until they cut GloFlo loose.

>>55370593
GloFo >>>>>>>>> TSMC
14nm >>>>>>>>> 16nm

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>>55370624
Yeah, sure is showing

>>55367025
This. Just buy a graphics card that fits your needs and is within your price range. Google is also a good resource instead of shitting on /g/.

>>55370526
Just wait. July has new graphics card releases

>>55370636
nvidia shill fuck off TSMC is chink shit

>>55370651
http://bgr.com/2015/10/08/iphone-6s-a9-processor-samsung-tsmc-batterygate/

>>55365857
because MEMES BRO XD

>>55370664
I'm fine with nvidia promoting these queers because they're not trying to kill me and rape my family unlike the Muslims amd were having a ramadan festival for.

Based nvidia.

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amdrones on full damage control

i got one and all the smoke came out of my motherboard, is there anywhere i can buy replacement motherboard smoke?

>>55370664
>implying there's anything wrong with homosexuality
>if you hate guys sucking dick don't suck a dick.

>>55370651
and gloflo is indian poo manufactured in china, we lose either way

>>55370659
>low power
completely different versions are used in the new gpus, meant for high power

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If i have a 6950 running fine for 6 years does that mean the 480 won't blow my computer up?

>>55370683
WTF are you talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv1ZuFvEtno

>>55370685
too little too late, hero.

>>55370715
no, the 6950 actually had adequate supplementary power.

>>55370710
their fabs are only in America, Germany, and Singapore retard

>>55370715
It won't blow up. If you MB can't handle the power draw it will shut down but your best bet is to get a after market board.

>>55370710
>>55370685
>>55370683
N/v/idiot shills belong back on /v/
>>>/v/

>>55370717
>flamboyant california gays are trying to kill me
>Muslims are not

The level of amdelusion is off the scales

>>55370738
>Singapore
>not chink
>the fabs not stacked with chinks and poos on visas
>CEO is a street shitter

sounds great

>>55370714
It's the same process you twit. That just shows the tsmc process is more mature.

>>55370278
>>55370304
>>55370535
>>55370757
Here's your (you)

>>55370805
>>55370775
>>55370762
>>55370761
N/v/idiot shills belong back on /v/
>>>/v/

should i get 8gb or 4gb?
for 1080p gaming
4gb is still more than 970 has

>>55370762
chink is chinese specific you dumb nigger

>>55370847
neither

>>55370847
the 4 gb is enough for 1080 but if you think you might want to upgrade to a 1440p monitor in the future then go for the 8gb

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>le $200 retail price meme
>no OC

ayy delusional AMDrones

>>55370567
If it was me, i would return it and get my money back just to be safe.

But now i will explain why, the ones selling right now (and the one you bought) are reference cards, meaning under the brand name they are all exactly the same shit (and even the same cooling system), the same cards that went to all those reviewers that all gave the same note: Power Issues.

And to be honest it's actually something dumb, a design error that make the card fail the PCI-E specification, in other words the PCI-E is rated for 75w with 8% tolerance (so anything over 80w is over the specification) in the motherboard slot and this reference card eats 82~86w average, so you're playing russian roulette on your motherboard PCI-E slot getting fried (and taking the entire mobo or even something else with it).

Notice the other problem is the ATX spec violation, and what those faggots bitch with the 960, the 6-pin is also rated for 75w but it can go way over it (depending on PSU quality, and if yours is a really shitty one it could potentially melt the cables), but again one thing is melting a cable and other is melting a motherboard slot.

tl;dr: Reference Rx 480 reviews reported for power problem, some guys complain it melted their motherboards (bricking it or just killing the PCI-E slot), problem is "supposed" to be fixed in custom boards (add of 8-pin instead of 6-pin), with that doubt it would be better to pull away and wait for custom cards (if they fix said issue or at least no one else report it). If safe, then buy again a 480 (custom) or see what nvidia offer, whatever keep more money in your wallet.

>>55370856
Haven't you been told to go back to /v/ yet nvidia shill?
>>>/v/

>>55365857
I think most of the disappointment is from people irrationally feeling let down because it didn't live up to their unreasonable expectations. Prior to launch, there were idiots expecting AMD to deliver a card that performed like a 1070 while costing $200. Nevermind the fact that AMD is struggling to stay financially solvent, thus limiting their R&D, or the fact that this hypothetical dream card would have to have a much higher price tag. Then there's the fact that they all ignored the obvious: the part number indicated that it was a replacement for AMD's 380 mainstream card, the tiny die size, and the fact that AMD continuously said that this card was being produced for the mass market.

The reality is that AMD has brought a card that is enormously more powerful than anything else in its price range, and as fast as the previous generation's $400 parts, while keeping overall power within 150W, which is about the limit of what most OEM systems can handle in stock configurations. That makes it a solid product and a hell of a deal.

The only legitimate complaint that any sane person should have is the PCI-E power issue, which effectively makes this card non-viable for the intended market, since the people who would most likely buy this card would be least likely to have a robust system that could cope with it. I expect this to be fixed or rendered moot with the custom designed boards that should be showing up soon, but AMD should have planned better than this.

>>55370879
Haven't you been told to go back to /v/ yet nvidia shill?
>>>/v/

>>55370886
>>55370913
>>>/r/amd

>>55370873
no one cares you euro cuck fag
>>>/v/

>>55370921
>/r/cuckolding

>>55370921
>>>/r/transpassing

>>55370921
>>55370933
>>55370946

>r/buyersremorse

It's fun because even i the AMD forums their own customers biggest complain are this >>55370886 kind of faggots.

If your shit reference card is a live beta test that can potentially burn a fucking motherboard that's enough reason to not buy it now, if the problem is fixed then do whatever the fuck you want with your money, that doesn't mean to buy nvidia or even a 3dfx voodoo 9999 from a fucking parallel universe, just get whatever make the best performance with the lesser risk of malfunction.

>>55370892
>and as fast as the previous generation's $400 parts
970 was $330.

>while keeping overall power within 150W
Actually exceeds it.

It's basically a 970 2 years later, except with a lower price tag (and non-gimped vram). The card is good for the price, and at the moment there is no other card in the price range worth buying, but if you ignore the price tag, it's not a very good product.

>>55370964
>projecting this hard

I think its pretty neat, but I don't really have a reason to upgrade from my 390 yet. I hope the cards in the 350-400 range are sweet, but I'm not holding my breath.

>>55369363
In sweden you can get a brand new gtx 970 for 250$, a 4gb rx 480 costs 300$+

>>55370969
N/v/idiot shills belong back on /v/
>>>/v/

>>55371017
and sweden is also a cuck country so who cares
>>>/r/cuckolding

>>55371049
Cuckolding seems to be an american phenomenon, never even heard of it here.

Anyways i think you should wait for the 1060, should be out soon and might be the smarter buy.

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>>55371075
>sweden
>never herd of cuckolding
lie

>>55370973
>being this much of a colossal faggot

>>55371106
>projecting once again

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What a disaster this card is

>>55370892
>unreasonable expectations.
It is "unreasonable" to expect a 14nm card to perform better, both in thermals an graphics, at roughly the same wattage and price and wattage as a card that is two years older?

>>55371254
Yeah I mean when your new card can't even beat a 2 year old card that is now selling at the price point, you know you have problems.

The 480 can't even beat a 970 or a 390

>>55371254
When your engineers are still baffled by the idea of not shitting on the streets, it's unresonable to expect progress.

>>55370162
>lying on the internet

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>>55371089

>>55371574
This is probably why no everyone says not to trust Italians.

>>55371254
If they were charging over $300 like those were, you'd have a point, but since they aren't, you're just being a typical millennial gibsmedat.

>>55371618
I don't understand themessage you are trying to convey. Can you reword it more clearly?

>>55369363

Europe

GTX970 starts at like €250

RX480 at 290€

>>55365946
Standard practice is to use US prices. In the US the 480 is cheaper.
Compare the Rx480 MSRP to current prices for GTX970.
The rest of he world has incredibly varying prices because they choose to.
Remember the whole Brazil $1900 usd PS3?

>>55371618
Except the 970 (and the 390) are now $250, practically the same as the 480

>>55371664
They are also EOL and will not be available in a few months. Both AMD and NVIDIA will be shifting focus to their new cards when it comes to driver improvements.

Some of the cards are just bad. They use more power and run hotter than they are supposed to. The card which this Finnish hardware site got constantly hit the 90 degree celsius thermal limit of the chip. You don't want to get one of these shitty early ones.

>>55370970
>if you ignore the price tag, it's not a very good product
That's true of everything that's not top of the line. Stop being a nigger.

>>55371683
>They are also EOL and will not be available in a few months.
>in a few months
Doesn't change the fact that the 480 performs the same graphical and worse thermally for roughly the same price and the same power.

>>55371618
http://www.newegg.com/Product/MappingPrice2012.aspx?Item=N82E16814121926

>>55371693
Every single one that is available right now is bad because it's based on the shitty reference design.

Gotta wait until they make ones with 8 pin power and better heatsinks because AMD jewed out hard on these initial models.

>>55371709
Are you being paid by Nvidia or are you really this stupid?

>>55371738
Well he's right, the 970 is actually a better 480 in many ways and it came out 2 years ago.

>>55371728
>Hurr durr what are clearance items?

>>55371709
There is nothing wrong with the GPU itself and third party cards will fix the power and heat issues.

These cards are also meant to replace the 380X and therefore launched at a lower price than the 390 and 970. In time the prices will drop considerably, like they always do. We are now in a transitional phase, this is normal.

>>55371738
No and no. Feel free to present an argument.

>>55371747
>what are clearance items?
A different area completely from the regular Newegg website where that is available.
See http://www.newegg.com/Clearance/Store

>>55371751
>There is nothing wrong with the GPU itself
Underperformance and overdraws power is not "wrong" for a new architecture? Where were you when Fermi was launched?

>>55371781
>Where were you when Fermi was launched?
Playing games on my 4850.

>Underperformance and overdraws
The reference cards are definitely flawed. Once Sapphire and the others put a 8-pin on the cards, it will be fine. Personally, I don't care if the card draws 150W or 225W, that is of course not the case with everyone.

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This just in from AMD. Driver fix will resolve the power draw issue. All meme are dead.

>>55371746
It's really not. But if you think that getting a discontinued part that lacks newer tech and has less vram, while also being saddled by the castrated cache/ROP that makes part of that vram unsuitable for use, then go grab them while you can. Just remember that it was your choice to buy an inferior product later on when Nvidia stops optimizing drivers for your EOL part.

>>55371699
Performance and price aren't the only relevant factors.

7850 and GTX 480 had similar performance a few months after 7850's launch. Then 480s went on sale on newegg for $200, which was a little less than what 7850 cost. Would you buy the GTX 480? Not a lot of people would, considering 7850 consumes half the power of GTX 480, doesn't run at 95C and doesn't sound like a jet engine. So clearly things other than price and performance matter.

Power, temp, noise can be important factors, and these are some of the things that lower end cards tend to do better than higher end cards. Would you buy a 390X for a HTPC-build if you could get it for the same price as a 750 Ti? Not only does it require you to get a more expensive PSU, but it also makes your HTPC noisy because you're cramming a 250W GPU into a tiny case. 390X ends up actually being the worse option even though we remove the price difference between it and 750 Ti, so clearly 750 Ti has things going for it other than its price.

>>55371811
>Once Sapphire and the others put a 8-pin on the cards, it will be fine.
It will stop regularly going over its 150w TDP at stock clocks. It'll magically perform better when Sapp produces non-reference versions with as little OC headroom as it has?

Given that you are determined to disregard what is wrong with the card regardless of the facts I'm not going to bother reading any further responses.

>>55371751
Could you sound anymore like a legitimate shill?

Like for real man, I'm not bashing the 480 for better or worse, but it feels like you just wrote that from a PR script.

Realistically what can we expect from the extra 75w the 8 pin versions will bring in terms of performance?

>>55371813
So they're basically nerfing clocks to lower power draw. Great, now it's going to be even more shit.

When will 1060 and 490 be released ? The 1080 looks good but toi expensive. The 1070 is vaporware.
The 480 doesn't live up expectations.

>>55371813
So remote underclocking?

>>55371823
You sure do write a lot of words to say nothing.

The 970 has essentially the same price, power & performance as a 480, yet it doesn't have all the issues the 480 has like going over the pcie spec, overheating and poor overclocking.

I'd say right now the 970 is better than the 480 in nearly every way.

>>55371846
I'm sure you can just over volt when you OC the card. The problem was that it was doing it on stock.

>>55371813
Thank god. Hopefully they aren't just lying though. I don't believe a damn thing from AMD anymore.

>>55371834
How am I shill? The reference cards are shit.

Every time a new line of videocards is released, companies will try to empty their stock of the older stuff and drop their prices. This is how its always been. Buying a 970 now for $250 is a steal but in a year this deal will not be available and everyone will be either looking at a third party 480 or third party 1060.

>>55371864
The 970 has aftermarket cooler pham. The power issue is unacceptable, but the heatsink on the 480 referene card is shit.

>>55371811
>paying extra so your budget gpu won't burn your mobo
You know aftermarket designs are targeted at OC not fixing defective architectures.
Kill yourself amdrone.

All the crap about overclocking, Its a bag of shit.
https://youtu.be/2kjIHgq2zBU

>>55371813
But this will reduce the performance right?

>>55371846
The cards were set for too much voltage. Undervolting has seen higher stable overclocks with less heat and power draw. A major fuckup on launch but one that will be fixed and forgotten about in a weeks time.

>>55371892
I have no idea why people are OCing a ref. card. It has a blower fan cost saving components 1 6 pin. Fucking why.

Let's get this straight. The architecture of the gpu itself pulls more power from the pcie slot than it does from the 6 pin and that it would require a whole new PCB design to remedy this, right?

What's to stop the card from still pulling over 75w from the pcie slot even though it'll have an 8pin? Every where I'm reading is saying it's a flaw with the gpu design itself and not because of power cables.

>>55370235
says not to worry, but if you have a cheap mobo it wont work for you. This cards target is the cheap crowd. so it doesn't work for the intended audience...neat.

>>55371813
Is it going to be a core clock nerf or a memory clock nerf (or both?) that comes with this "fix?"

>>55371899
Probably, the thing is I think I seen some people on reddit under volting the card and getting the same performance. We won't know till the July 5th....It might suck more power out the 6 pin.

>>55371864
Yes buy all discontinued parts please. Your friends at Nvidia thank you long time.

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>>55371921

>>55371923
That image there is all the information I got. Are you ready to spread your assumptions all around /g/?

>>55371921
I don't think anyone knows for sure. It is fundamentally flawed, but where that flaw is who knows.

>>55365857
>So why is everyone saying this card is bad? I looked up some benchmarks and reviews and it looks fantastic for the price.
It's still awful in energy efficiency.
Also, in non-US regions, the card is sold by AMD for the same price as in the US shops. Distributors add another 60 USD on top of the price, slap the VAT on it and sell it to shops. The most expensive shops have put around 12 USD on top of it and are hoping that they sell shit-load of them, or they won't make any money on them.
This puts them exavtly at GTX970 pricepoint and way beyond 390 price...

>>55371921
Its the power states not accounting for the 8gb ram which is drawing all the power when filled by 4k gaming (which it was never meant for). Sounds like it can be fixed with software

>>55371928
I watched a review just an hour ago and the guy had to crank the power limit up to max for the card to even hold its stock clocks. If they downclock the vram or the card you're going to lose performance

>>55371937
This isn't a real "fix". The problem is bigger than a simple driver update or bios flash.

>>55371938
>Are you ready to spread your assumptions all around /g/?
An assumption is something taken for granted. A question is categorically different from an assumption.

>>55371956
>The problem is bigger than a simple driver update or bios flash.
Source?

>>55371956
>The problem is bigger than a simple driver update or bios flash.
Nvidia did a pretty good job of fixing the 3.5 issue with software though it took its toll on performance.

>>55371909
Well ideally they wanted to watercool it like they did the 1080 FE. This ones a bit more frankenstein though,
Shows what cheap shit parts AMD threw in too

>>55371948
>meant for 4k
literally all of my what? Why would you think that a $200 part was meant for 4k gaming? You have to be the stupidest person in this shill and troll infested thread.

>>55371937
if they can reduce voltage without touching perf at all, why wouldn't they have done that in factory.
Sounds like they are going to be rolling out card wide nerfs. Guess benchmarks are all going to have to be re-ran.
Seems like they factory OCed these for good bench scores up to an unstable point, and now are putting them back to what they should have been.

>>55371921
>Every where I'm reading is saying it's a flaw with the gpu design itself


Where have you been reading this? Also those 6 pins can handle more than 75 watts with out breaking any specs or burning out the MBoard because its clean power right from the PSU.

>>55371948
t.adoredtv

No. It has the same problem when even at 1080p. Read all the reviews of people who had this problem and it was drawing more power in a variety of different games like tomb raider etc. Adoredtv doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

>>55371967
>Shows what cheap shit parts AMD threw in too

MSRP: $199

wut m8? It's comment like yours that surprise me. It's $199 but you're sooooo surprised that AMD put cheap components in it.

>>55371972
Read the fucking reddit threads where people are undervolting for performance GAIN. Nothing is being 'nerfed' they are literally just tuning down the voltage. Fucking retards i swear

>>55371964
Watch jayztwocents podcast. He gives sources

>>55371976
Technically going over 75W on the 6 pin does break specs, but any good power supply will be able to handle it

I play on 1080p and will continue to do so in the forseeable future. I want to play Witcher 3 on Ultra, maybe even add one of those mods I saw which improve graphics further.

Will I be fine with 480?

>>55372004
Doesn't seem right though. If it was as simple as turning down voltage, why didn't AMD do that from the start?

>>55371965
What are you talking about? The performance in reviews was exactly the same as it was after the whole 3.5gb issue. Fuck outta here with your butthurt and blameshifting.

>>55371956
>crank the power limit up to max for the card to even hold its stock clocks.


link please.

>>55372003
Well skimping on the cooling part. Yes .
Then again I dont buy that shit. I went the oppostite way and did a 1080

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>mfw driver fix
finally... SWEET RELIEF.

>>55372016
Witcher 3 @ 1080p on Ultra averages around 50fps with an i7-6700K @ 4.5 GHz so it is safe to assume the answer is "no."

>>55372004
I do not use reddit.
Review sites haven't been stating this, and in general less voltage means lower potential for performance.

Stop shilling.

>>55372016
Witcher 3? Get the best card you can get, even the 1080 struggles with that

>>55372012
They need to pay off the PCIe guys lol

>>55372016
no it wont do witcher 3 on ultra. You need a 980 at least to do it.
The 480 is stuttering in heavy games like gta,witcher and shadows of mordor etc.
If people say this isnt true, theres videos out there showing otherwise.

>>55372029
Jokerproductions

>>55372031
What mother board do you have? and do you have any other components on the MBoard like another graphics card?

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>>55372063
MSI z97 PC mate, just a wireless card, but could be fixed with a long enough ethernet.
integrated graphics., i've been waiting for months.

>>55372036
So you dont read reddit but you read the review sites that get sponsored by AMD and Nvidia. Oh ok got it.

>>55372048
>>55372044
I won't be buying the card for atleast a month so 1060 will be out by then as well, which should be abit more expensive from what I saw.

Do you think it will have better performance than 480?

>>55368918
No. The card will be released as 8-pin, however that is a testing board and they were testing it with a 6-pin connector.

>>55368936
The devil is a single card confirmed. The overkill cooling is supposedly for more OC headroom.

>>55372080
Possibly, to be honest its hard to say until its out and the benchmarks have been done.
Before buying Id wait like you say and see what the 1060 can do

>>55372080
Novidea says it will be "980 performance for everyone"

It probably will anyway, AMD has a real lemon on its hand with this one. This card should have never been released.

>>55372074
Mother fucker I got a MSI Mpower board with 2x7950 overclocked so high if i tip the slider up by 1 point i see artifacts and you're worried about this card messing up your board....get the fuq out ah here. You're fine.

>>55372080
Yeah should be 15% faster than 480

>>55371937
>unprecedented 8Gbps for GDDR5
What does the 1070 have? 8Gbps on GDDR5?

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>>55372036
If the undervolting means the chip does not hit the thermal limit it might be a performance increase.

>>55372104
Yes

>>55372118
Not only do the AMDrones and the shills lie but AMD's own PR mouthpieces lie.

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>>55372096
I can't differ the bullshit from the legit, potato motherboards are being fucked, and high end ones are aswell apparently. I'm only being cautious for a reason, but you're most likely right.
hows those 7950s holding?

>>55372102
Ok so something like that should be fine for Witcher 3 right?

>>55372123
AMD is shady as fuck, honestly I trust nvidia to at least lie to my face, AMD will stab you in the back

>>55372126
It will be ok, but Witcher 3 is one of the hardest games for any card to handle.

>>55372124
My frame rates are good, I'm running them crossfire because I only play BF4 which has good CF support but they are like 2 blow dryers in my case so I'm probably going to get 2 480's in a month or 2.

>>55372126
Yes it's fine. I have a 980 at 1502 mhz and it runs witcher 3 at like 70-100 fps.

>>55372132
I am constantly amazed at the bullshit AMD provides to its rabid fanmob and even more amazed at how completely they snap that shit up. It wasn't even 24 hours before launch that idiots were posting here that Nvidia always lies about it TDP and AMD never does. . .

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>>55372154

>>55372075
I cannot stand the reddit layout

>>55372143
Witcher 3 doesn't hold a candle to Syndicate or Rise of The Tomb Raider.

>>55372117
right, but why would voltage be significantly higher than needed in the first place.

>>55372156
Not at fucking max it doesn't.

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>>55372132
>upgrade 290x to 1070 FE
>every AMD goon on here insulted me, said I was a dumb faggot and was being scammed
>told me to wait for "uber mode" 480, it was going to BTFO the 1070
>card runs cool as fuck on a reference board, never get above 70c gaming even with a modest oc, no problems whatsoever, just werks
>meanwhile the 480 is a fucking disaster, now every AMDrone on here denies the problem or says wait for the magical driver/AiB fix for a shit card

Really turned off AMD now

Pic related, my "shitty scam" 1070 FE

>>55372075
why would reddit, which is filled with fanboys and students working for pr firms, be any less biased than a review site.

>>55372231
FEbro.

What's your fan curve look like?

>>55372231
1070 is an amazing card, it's too bad it's so hard to buy right now

>>55372215
Yes it does. I played it literally 3 hours ago to test the fps for someone. 70+ outdoors and even in novigrad city and near 100 fps indoors like buildings or caves.

>>55372232
>review site

Because it's not a review site, no one gets paid. Also you can have a conversation with out people saying "House Fire, Nvidiot and AMDrone"