/hpg/ - Headphone General

File: whatcolorbeatsshouldigetforthemostbass.jpg (788KB, 936x1400px) Image search: [Google]

788KB, 936x1400px

old thread expired

File: idontknowwhatmemeishouldputinthefilename.jpg (187KB, 1111x1000px) Image search: [Google]

187KB, 1111x1000px

>>55169274
or is about to expire, I should say.

>>55169221
Might as well post this now. I posted this in the last thread, but no one was much help.

=====
>Budget
~250-350 USD, $350 is probably the most I am willing to spend.
>Location
Western United states.
>Source
I am also looking for a $100-200 DAC/Amp to go along with my first real headphone purchase because my motherboard has an incredibly shitty internal one. Help very much appreciated. I am thinking about getting the O2s on Massdrop, thoughts?
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized over ears,
>Open or closed
I am fine either way but i prefer the soundstage open headphones offer. Keep in mind I don't want them to be as open as something like Grados because I sit right next to my door and I don't want my roommates hearing my tentacle rape hentai.
>Comfort level
I want headphones that I can wear for 24 hours in 115° F weather without noticing they are on. Keep in mind I am a VERY sweaty person with long hair.
>Preferred tonal balance
As neutral as you can get.
>Preferred music
I listen to podcasts, movies, videos, TV shows, anime, and my friends more than I do music. As for music I listen to almost everything equally with a slight preference for hip-hop, female vocals, and bassy electronic.
>Past headphones
Shitty apple EarPods.
=====

I have been eyeing the Sennheiser HD 598 SEs they are only $150 on amazon right now so they are probably what I am going to pick up.

Many thanks in advance.

File: musicbee.png (3MB, 1586x933px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1586x933px

Literally the best software I have ever used.

File: e1b9675c-a620-48ac-b556-ae4ad8d920b2..jpg (450KB, 1536x1585px) Image search: [Google]

450KB, 1536x1585px

Reposting from last thread.

>Budget
$60, flexible
>Location
U.S.
>Source
PC, Keyboard, digital modeling amplifier taking both bass and guitar.
>Preferred type of headphone
Full size
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
The important thing to me is that they stay put while I move around the studio playing various instruments, and especially just when looking down at what I'm doing. I don't really mind if my ears hurt after a while. I will generally be using them for up to 5 hours at a time though.
>Preferred tonal balance
Flat.
>Preferred music
I guess punk, but I play in cover bands sometimes and will be listening to pretty much everything, if not for pleasure.
>Past headphones
Sony MDR-V150
Skull candy ink'd 1 & 2

As a musician I am always tempted by "industry standards," in particular the AKG K240 caught my attention. But I'm cheap and I want to be saved by this general. One additional feature I would really like is a replaceable chord. I move when I play, operate a pedalboard, etc. I don't want headphones that will force me to dial in my instrument all over again when I'm recording, so I hope for a very flat sound, I wouldn't say "reference," though.

>>55169542
K240 are great but they aren't closed. You probably want MDR-7506/V6

>>55169542
Forgot to include mixer and audio interface as sources.

File: 1326482869560.jpg (192KB, 550x550px) Image search: [Google]

192KB, 550x550px

>>55169498
the 598 is very open, as in completely, so they leak as much as anything can. also, how experienced are you as a listener, like, what have you owned and are you confident in your preferred tonal balance. I say this because some people are put off right away by the 598 having light bass, without eq it can sound a bit cold and hollow, and most people don't actually listen to music that shows off the 598's biggest strength: the mids. I love the 598 but with your budget and wanting "neutral" there are other things you could try, akg and beyer for one.

also, get an e10k if you're getting anything, there really isn't a need, especially for a newbie, to have a dedicated amp/dac unless you have sound issues currently.

598 does fit your comfort preference well though, only other headphone I can think of that's as comfortable is the ma900. but $150 is too much. I got mine for $99. you can usually get a 558 for around that much and do the foam mod to make it a 598.

File: mfwgui.jpg (282KB, 1000x1000px) Image search: [Google]

282KB, 1000x1000px

>>55169504

>>55169498
HD650 + Schiit Magni + Schiit Modi

Should be able to source all of that for $550. Your comfort requirements are unrealistic, no headphone on God's green earth will be un-noticeable in humid environments, and this is exacerbated by having long hair and sweating.

>>55169542
k240 is open and not that great anyways imo. v6/7506 sounds perfect for you. do replaceable cable though, for that an m40x or an xpt-100 is going to be the best thing you can maybe afford, but they're both $100.

File: theyareuglytho.jpg (10KB, 355x355px) Image search: [Google]

10KB, 355x355px

>>55169542
PortaPros, with your budget.

k712 vs. k7xx

>>55169563
I should add now that I look at your music, 598 is amazing for vocals, bass quantity and impact not so much. it works really well with vocal-centric stuff, including electronic that isn't bass-heavy. but if you want the "club sound", look elsewhere.

>>55169563
Thanks for all of the input, I think I am going to go with the 598s and use the extra money i saved for the e10k.

>>55169585
my max was $350

>>55169498
>>55169585
Magni a shit. Modi 2 Uber is okay and gud. Schiit now ships Modi 2 Ubers with AK4490 chips.

Fixed it for that anon.
>HD650 + JDS Labs Objective 2 + Modi 2 Uber

>>55169659
You clearly said you had an extra $100-200 for an amplifier and DAC. Learn to write.

The E10K will not do anything for you over your onboard audio with the 598s unless your onboard audio is really fucking bad. A cheap soundcard would prove a better choice.

>>55169652
if you don't like the 598 return them and try the k612, if for no other reason that it's one of the few headphones that really requires a dedicated amp to get loud enough, and it is very neutral.

>>55169667
I would argue with you but it's pointless since he can't afford it anyway.

I don't even like the Magni but it slaps the shit out of the O2.

File: YWM1ZjQwMGU=.jpg (30KB, 600x600px) Image search: [Google]

30KB, 600x600px

What's the best budget earphones you can get? I don't want the in-ear ones.

Pic related

File: AudiUltra.jpg (42KB, 500x671px) Image search: [Google]

42KB, 500x671px

>>55169221

>>55169683
what is your budget?

>>55169626
the 712 is more balanced. the bass rise is not as much, and the dip in the upper mids is not as severe, and the upper mids/highs response is not as spiky generally. they're both less even in that region though than the 701, 702, and 612. that's what you sacrifice for the elevated bass I guess.

>>55169671
>You clearly said you had an extra $100-200 for an amplifier and DAC. Learn to write.

oops.

>The E10K will not do anything for you over your onboard audio with the 598s unless your onboard audio is really fucking bad. A cheap soundcard would prove a better choice.

My onboard audio is really fucking bad. Any reccomendations for soundcards?

>>55169696
those pieces of wood look WAY too loose to hold those drivers.

>>55169724
Something like a Xonar DG is dirt cheap and will get the job done in terms of providing a hiss & EMI free source.

>>55169675
Look good, thanks. Will definitely keep this in mind. Can you really return headphones just because you don't like them?

>>55169701

About £50 I'd say.

>>55169498
Used HD600 and this
http://hifimediy.com/DACs/ready-made-dacs/9018-dac

>Accepts all sample rates up to 384kHz/32bit
>Asynchronous
>It can drive most 16-300ohm headphones.

>>55169750
on amazon yes, it's very simple. I don't think you have to state a reason and if you do just say there was a better price elsewhere, returning a gift, ordered by accident, something like that. just make sure it's sold by amazon. they'll usually pay return shipping too. if you buy elsewhere (new) worst you'll have to put up with is return shipping. maybe a restocking fee but that isn't likely.

File: 7cf2d698-5ad9-430f-bf74-cb35fd5e7f79..jpg (374KB, 1536x1744px) Image search: [Google]

374KB, 1536x1744px

>>55169559
>>55169610
These 5706s look great. I've seen them in a few studios. $80, on the other hand, is a lot more than $30.
>>55169614
I am a cheap guy, so I find these attractive. One concern with these is having a wire to each cup instead of a single wire. This is kinda annoying for playing guitar and bass, but not a deal breaker. Do you think these headphones would stay on okay while playing? They are ugly but so am I, not an issue(well, maybe the later is).

Because I'm cheap sturdiness is an important factor that I wasn't really worrying about for $60+ headphones, but I think it's worth bringing up now. I won't be too nice with these headphones and they'll be yanked a few times a day, most likely. I'd like the headphones to last a long time. It seems like replaceable cables aren't that common or cheap of a feature, but I guess soldering is an option too, though one I'd rather avoid.

File: barelyunderbudget.jpg (27KB, 792x400px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 792x400px

>>55169759
shure SE-112 hopefully the pound is more than the dollar

>>55169807
>I don't want the in-ear ones.

File: 22136230-0b76-48c0-84ca-ba026b1ce5d6..jpg (21KB, 240x292px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 240x292px

>>55169823
>he doesn't want the in-ear ones

>>55169790
portapro is great, but it is not a studio/workhorse headphone. it's open for one thing, the response it tilted towards dark/warm, and it's not that sturdy. the cable will probably fail if you use it for your uses. it's more of a lightweight, walking around home or just listening at your desk headphone.

>>55169790
The portapros are snug on me but my mother had to have a c section due to my enormous skull. The wires haven't caused me any trouble at all and i move around with them a lot. They are VERY well built and sturdy even for headphones quintuple their price (in my experience). Also they extremely compact. If anything breaks and is irreplaceable, hey they were only $40.

>>55169833
>>55169683
the new piston air is the most shallow-fit IEM I have seen, to the point where it's a semi-eabud. initial impressions are good plus it's cheap as hell, like the piston 3.

the reality is that earbuds suck for sound by design, they can't form a proper seal with your ear canal so you get jank response. some do a bit better by getting a half-assed seal in the outer ear using plastic or silicone like the earpods, but they still suck.

maybe as /csg/? they know about the latest chink buds.

>>55169759
>>55169823
>>55169833

They're just extremely uncomfy for me.

>>55169865
then use headphones or on-ears.

if size is an issue try the ksc-75

>>55169823
>>55169833
he asked for earphones...

>>55169765
I don't want to buy used and I wanted an Amp not a DAC. Also, that DAC looks sketchy anyways.

>>55169845
>>55169861
Thanks for the input, I've decided against the portapros, in part because I've realized suddenly they're on-ear. I think I'd prefer over-ear for staying put. It bugs me when I didn't realize one ear was slipping down while I was playing and I wasn't hearing my keyboard right. Is there anything else on the lower end of price that could work for studio? I've heard the skull candy hesh 2 recommended on talkbass, despite skull candy in general being overwhelmingly recommended against.. Well, they have bassists over there, after all, who might be a bit less concerned with relaxed mids, but I've heard conflicting reports on the mids of these cans. In any case they're circumaural and have a detachable chord.

>>55169977
If I suggested a Audioquest Dragonfly. I bet you'd choose that for its looks. The Dragonfly has a ES9016 DAC chip.

Look up Sennheiser HE-1's DAC chip. HiFime ES9018K2M is like it.

File: 1326483544608.jpg (101KB, 719x539px) Image search: [Google]

101KB, 719x539px

>>55169994
honestly the best closed, circumaural headphone below the v6 is the CAL. amazing sound, decent build but v6 is in another league. the sig is also different, CAL leans towards the bass and lower mids with highs a bit rolled off, classic warm sig. v6 has an upper mids emphasis which is one of the reason people use it for audio work, it's very detailed and clear sounding so you can pick out things easier, it's also very lean and tight in the bass, where the CAL is a bit loose. CAL is a great listening headphone, for pro work no so much but you are an amateur so they wold probably do fine.

pic is cal next to a protapro

>>55169994

http://www.head-fi.org/t/721740/looking-for-the-best-deal-up-to-50-60-headphones

these seem pretty good.

>>55170057
681 is the best of those, but it is pretty bright and open besides. pro80 is good but prices are unreliable, often it's just as much as a v6.

>>55169498
>no one was much help.
No. There was one autist memeing you, the rest was people trying to help.

>>55170393
Yeah, he just was stuck in my mind longer.

File: IMG_20160107_173157977.jpg (3MB, 4160x3120px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4160x3120px

oh hai there /g/
:)

>>55171017
how much was the display price?

>>55169221
>Budget
about 100€
>Location
germanyland
>Source
onboard audio
>Preferred type of headphone
full size
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
meh
>Preferred tonal balance
flat
>Preferred music
indie, deep house
>Past headphones
fucking razer electra

File: IMG_20160107_173245043.jpg (3MB, 3120x4160px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 3120x4160px

>>55171114
it was one of those things you just didnt ask.

i believe 'arround 65k' is what we were told... the cabling alone they had was like 7 grand.... that parts fucking stupid, but... i have to say, i never smiled that hard listening to music.

File: IMG_20160107_135327436.jpg (4MB, 4160x3120px) Image search: [Google]

4MB, 4160x3120px

>>55171260
i also have some pictures of speakers i made if /g/ wants to get a bit /diy/

>>55169221
fitting OP pic

>>55171017
poorfag

>>55171204
M40X

hey are the dt880s as comfy as they look? holy fuck

>>55171378
post the pics

>>55171757
>are the dt880s as comfy as they look
yes, more so

>>55171860
glorious.
are they really as precise as the k702?
i think i need these..

>>55172141
No

>>55172141
Ignore the memer, yes they're great headphones. Look at the alternatives but if you buy them you won't be disappointed.

File: grado.jpg (275KB, 1024x768px) Image search: [Google]

275KB, 1024x768px

Why (other than ComfyGrados) is /hpg/ the only forum to realize how bad Grado phones are? They make sacrifices to portability, comfort, isolation and looks in pursuit of sound quality that stopped being impressive 20 years ago. They're for people who like the idea of a headphone that's 100% about the sound, but don't actually care what it sounds like.

>tfw ljokerl hasn't updated his guides in years

>>55173629
>forum
It's a imageboard.

Anyhow they hit the target good but so do Apple Earpods.

http://en.goldenears.net/12850 | sr60
http://en.goldenears.net/4378 | ps1000
http://en.goldenears.net/22624 | earpods

Why can't you just take any cheap pair of headphones, and EQ them so they have the proper frequency response?

File: PortaPro.jpg (34KB, 409x395px) Image search: [Google]

34KB, 409x395px

did I do good?

I have a akg k7xx and I thought about buying an x2 but then I remember about the portapros and decided to get them.

File: audio-setup.png (432KB, 1419x677px) Image search: [Google]

432KB, 1419x677px

>>55169221
Turns out i'm keeping the hd600's and selling my k712's. Goodbye akg, it was good while it lasted ;)

>>55173874

Why dont you try it out? You can also make your own pads, to get more bass, i dont know why but i feel the R&D for the headphones is pretty lacking, i guess is not much profitable

>>55172141
>are they really as precise as the k702?
Precise on what?

>>55173975
Does that DAC show that red optical light on yours? Or is that just a stock photo.

>>55173950
I got my pair recently. You did pretty well, godspeed.

>>55171260
>>55171017
>tfw I probably wouldn't hear a difference between the Orpheus and the HD600

>>55173950
better than grado, you did good.

Think I'm going to pull the trigger on some HD668Bs for $41

Should I? They seem the best for under $50, does anyone have a strong opinion that something else is better?

File: harman_how_to_listen.png (27KB, 938x547px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 938x547px

>>55173874
You obviously can but sometimes you want to pay more for other factors than just the stock frequency response. Headphones which get the response right or at least closely so out of the box saves you the hassle of creating an equalization profile for it or at least eases the job. It's also nice to have a good pair if you are using them with multiple devices, some of which might not allow you to use proper EQ. And while this isn't exclusive to cheap headphones, some models are limited in bandwidth and could have notably high levels of nonlinear artifacts such as harmonic distortion which you can't fix by equalization. Even if distortion is very hard to hear in a lot of cases, it's something to consider when making a purchase. A very important thing for me personally was comfort and durability, warranty, second hand value etc.

A bad response is unrelated to the price. You can pay thousands for complete garbage or spend thirty bucks on something which sounds excellent. Only exception to this rule are the absolute cheapest options on the market where you are basically limited by basic material costs and QC. Beyond that the products are all over the place. I'd recommend learning and using parametric EQ on basically every headphone and in-ear.

>>55174118
I remember seeing a FR plot of the original Orpheus which had a very good bass extension and DF equalized response. In a lot of ways similar to the HD 600 minus the sub bass extension which, depending on the content, is hard to hear. I'm fairly sure you would notice a difference even if you were untrained in listening however. Frequency response is what defines the sound and while the target response for both is similar, there are very likely differences easily above audible thresholds. Pic related lets you test your hearing and train it.

As for the new Orpheus, I'd be interested to see a plot.

>>55174003
I'm fairly sure that's an analog output. If it glows, there's an LED inside to light it up.

>>55173629
>that stopped being impressive 20 years ago
The models made now are probably worse than they were back then.

>>55173874
Because there are limits to how hard you can run a transducer until non-linearity is significant. This complicates attempting to EQ out rolloff.
Because some headphones are design with high leak sensitivity or strong acoustic modes that change each time you put it on.

Otherwise, it works. This is the situation with in ears, where very inexpensive sets have good extension and linearity. Damping is not always done, you may need to do it yourself.

>>55174003
Yeah mine glows exactly the same as the picture.

https://www.amazon.com/Sentey-Headphones-LS-4570-v4-0-SmartPhones/dp/B01D1UAY9M
these are cheap right now, is this a good purchase for a poorfag like me?

Someone in the last thread said the AKG K702 are better than the K712.

Is this true? Is this due to the break-in period or what?

Also, is there any reason as to why I shouldn't go with the DT770? They're the best closed-back I've seen in that price range.

Can someone recommend me a pair of in earphones for less than £75?
Thinking of getting the momentums by Sennheiser or the RHA 600

>>55174700
Preference over different frequency response. I'd personally agree that K702 is better than K712. I find the upper midrange coloration in K712 more problematic and the response too warm. While K702 has problems in that same area as well as tends to be too bright, it's the better option out of the two imo.

DT 770 is a headphone with a V-shaped response, plenty of bass and treble and less emphasized mids. It's a closed back headphone. Pretty nice if that's what you are looking for. Quite dissimilar to the open back AKGs you mentioned.

>>55173874
Because your autism won't let you.

So what are my options if I only have $10? Isolation doesn't matter, but I'd like to find one that's less uncomfortable than the Monoprice 8320.

I've been looking through this guide, but there could be something good that's not on the list. http://www.head-fi.org/t/478568/multi-iem-review-352-iems-compared-pump-audio-earphones-added-04-03-16-p-1106

>that 5khz peak

>>55174499

If you really need a wireless headset and you can only pay $30, forget about sound quality and just get something that people rate as comfortable.

>>55174829
Well, I want some closed-back headphones for studio monitoring, that's why I asked about the DT770. Now I'm kinda worried that it's V-shaped, since I'm looking for flat response (obviously). Are all the headphones in this price range like this? I know the M50X aren't neutral either.

About the K702 and K712, which one would you recommend for monitoring? Thanks.

>>55175194
>Are all the headphones in this price range like this?
No, they vary quite a bit. Sony MDR-7506 would be my choice of monitors here or alternatively the Beyerdynamic DT 250 80 Ohm. M50X have boomy bass and a peaky treble. I personally didn't like them at all sound or comfort-wise but I know people who enjoy them immensely. Not something I'd pick for monitoring considering the response.

>About the K702 and K712, which one would you recommend for monitoring?
K702

>>55175260
I was actually looking a the MDR-7506 before going for the DT770, lol. I guess I'll just compare frequency responses and shit. I often fall for the more expensive = better meme.

Thanks a lot, anon.

File: 3-5mm-Plug-TRRS-Connector-Plastic-1.jpg (11KB, 400x265px) Image search: [Google]

11KB, 400x265px

Why didn't anyone tell me that these rings rotate independently and rip out whatever was connected to them? Now I can't hear sound out of one ear.
What's the proper way to open these anyway? Are you even able to open the ones that come with your headphones? Are my dreams to cannibalize one set to fix another as dead as my cans?

>>55175281
>I often fall for the more expensive = better meme.
In rapidly evolving and highly competitive market such as microprocessors this often holds true but not at all in consumer audio.

File: old-beat-up-pads-on-sony-mdr-v6.jpg (95KB, 500x667px) Image search: [Google]

95KB, 500x667px

headphone gore?

File: 51de5d11_DSC_0048_01.jpg (34KB, 480x320px) Image search: [Google]

34KB, 480x320px

>>55175408

I own a pair of Shure SE215's, and I friggin love em, but I find the bass to be a bit lacking.


Is there a bassier version/equivalent?

>tfw still have my DT770's

I never want to replace them. I love the sound so much.

>>55176128
good for you

>Budget
$200
>Location
USA
>Source
iPhone and Galaxy
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
No behind the ear shit
>Preferred music
/mu/core
>Past headphones
Sennheiser CX 985 loved them, I want something metal with a cool rotating jack, but it seems like that is only the last generation of Sennheiser IEMs which are now hella expensive.

>>55169221
maybe a stupid question, but why is wireless frowned upon?

magni/modi or o2+odac?

>>55176219
Not a stupid question and it isn't frowned upon really aside by a few individuals here.

>>55176250
Either.

>>55176219
It's a marketing gimmick that allows manufacturers to charge a large amount of money for an inferior product, like headsets and fashion cans.

File: 1454438842677.jpg (27KB, 604x438px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 604x438px

>>55176341
Please be bait.

>>55169221
=====
>Budget
~50-90 USD, 70$ is the sweet spot
>Location
Mexico
>Source
Would be used only for subway rides and on my pc both for music and skype, Bluetooth is preffered.
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized over ears,
>Open or closed
Closed, mainly for avoid all the noise in the subway
>Comfort level
Doesn't really matter that much.
>Preferred tonal balance
Natural but a little bassy would be great
>Preferred music
Hard rock mainly but also some electronic music and pop.
>Past headphones
Sony MDR-ZX310AP just died today.
=====

I have the Skullcandy Uproar and Sony Mdr-Zx330Bt as possible buys.

>>55176384
Don't tell me you actually believe Beats are reasonably priced headphones.

>>55175281
Think of the K702 as a sort of open MDR 7506 with slightly more bass and upper mids.

File: 1454440541034.jpg (21KB, 604x438px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 604x438px

>>55176614
>mfw you could be serious

Also past the point.

>>55176637
>he's wearing a set of Beats right now
I bet you shelled out extra so you can sit three feet away from your iThing instead of two

>>55176649
Hopeless.

>>55176681
Don't feel bad. I know you would have never bought them if not for the gratuitous product placement in all the popular music videos.

>Budget
~150 CAD flexible
>Location
Canada
>Source
ipod touch, laptop, can buy a better source too if needed
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM
>Open or closed
N/A
>Comfort level
dont think iems can be uncomfortable
>Preferred tonal balance
no clue
>Preferred music
I listen to Of montreal, Queens of the Stone Age, Radiohead, Tame Impala, Bjork, basically any sort of rock
>Past headphones
have the super lux 666b, 681 and i have the xiaomi pistons 2

>>55176841
RA750

>>55176865
Compared to gr07?

One of the ears on my headset is going out, gib recommendation pls /g/

>Budget
$30-70
>Location
US
>Source
Computer/Blue Yeti
>Preferred type of headphone
Full
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfort over quality for the most part
>Preferred tonal balance
Don't know, will be mainly used for vidya if it matters
>Preferred music
Rock/Electronic
>Past headphones
Shitty earbuds and a Triton xbox headset

>>55176919
Better.

Hello.

>Budget
$200

>Location
'merica

>Source
iPhone6

>Preferred type of headphone
IED/buds. with mic. Travel a lot.

>Open or closed
IED?

>Comfort level


>Preferred tonal balance
neutral

>Preferred music
pop-punk, alt-country, some electric

>Past headphones
Grado SR60's for about 15 years, Klipsch S6i (which I think are terribly harsh on the high end), currently back to apple earbuds.

>Budget
$300

>Location
'murica (me again)

>Source
PC, may consider external DAC (realtek HD)

>Preferred type of headphone
closed, but I used grado SR60's for long time, and I guess I'm ok with open.

>Open or closed
oops

>Comfort level
comfytime

>Preferred tonal balance
neutral

>Preferred music
pop-punk, alt-country, punk, folk, pop, rock

>Past headphones
grado SR60 for many many years.

>>55177610
See>>55176865

>>55177663
HP50 or M-100

Why ma750 over gr07?

Been looking for a bluetooth headset with good sound and ANC (I know ANC lower the sound quality) for about 3 weeks now and today I bought the Sennheiser Momentum Wireless around-ear and god damn they sound great and are extremely comfy.

I tried Bose QC35 a few times before I purchased but the sound quality in QC35 is horrible (but still better than QC25).

The Momentums got like 90% the ANC of QC35 but a lot better sound.

The sound in QC35 is very artificial with highs sounding more like a fork on chalk board and muddy mids.

File: ampdac.jpg (243KB, 1419x677px) Image search: [Google]

243KB, 1419x677px

Sup.

>>55179578
do you just go for the biggest and bulkiest stuff you can find?

http://www.strawpoll.me/10539639

>>55179619
Yeah, that's why I'm with your mom.

>>55179630
everything that happens in your mind is real to you

>>55179355
Better build quality, cheaper, sounds better for most music types thanks to better bass. With the HF5 on one side and the RHA 750 on the other there is little reason to suggest the GR07.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1J54lanz9k

>tfw expensive iems barely sound better than budget iems
can't believe I wasted so much money. I guess the iem rabbit hole is much more shallow than over ear. does amazon accept returns on open boxes?

>>55179712
Thanks man

>>55179899
Like what xiaomi pistons?

>>55179915
i went from piston 3 to dunu titan 1

Is the SoundMagic E10 the cheapest "decent" thing around?

>>55179712
What's the hf5?
>>55179926
You only spent 100 man you have insane buyer's remorse

>>55179936
100 is a lot of money for me

>>55179954
Should have got the ma750

>>55179648
Ohhhh shit

How's the HD800S for electronic music?

>inb4 go visit a Hi-Fi store
I live in a cabin. The nearest Hi-Fi store is in the neighboring country.

>>55179984
>even considering HD800S
good goy

I don't see any information about the best place to purchase headphones in Australia. Can I get some help? Most general consumer stores are lacking in variety and overpriced. Thanks

File: op.png (233KB, 800x1160px) Image search: [Google]

233KB, 800x1160px

Oi faggots

Any recommendations for Bluetooth headphones? Are xiaomis good?

>>55179936
>What's the hf5?
Another set of IEMs. Eardildomotics IEMs.

>>55180227
>Wireless is frowned upon.

>>55179899
I bought a pair of yamaha iems that were on the /hpg/ list and they cost fucking £70+. They were no better than my piston 3's, just stick with those.

In terms of actual headphones the hd600's are the best i've tried and are most likely my end game.

File: 1462792886694.jpg (265KB, 1000x892px) Image search: [Google]

265KB, 1000x892px

>>55180243
I'm really not an audio autist, I just want some decent convenient headphones

>>55180272
>wireless
>decent
Pick one.

why do some people spend more than 300 dollars on a pair of headphones?
how can someone spend so much money on something that doesn't help them reach self-actualization?

>>55169221
Not sure if relevant or not but how does Massdrop work?

>>55180283
Anyone gonna be helpful or is this just a mutual jerk off general?

>>55180325
>Anyone gonna be helpful or is this just a mutual jerk off general?
You don't bother to ask WHY wireless is frowned on? You just go right into being a dick? And you expect to get help with that attitude?

>>55180344
I help people all the time when they come to my generals. I asked specifically for advice on wireless, because I'm buying Bluetooth headphones - its not a consideration between wired and wireless, I specifically want wireless.

>>55180386
>I help people all the time
Sure you do pal. Why don't you fuck off back to your generals?

>>55180313
>consumers vote on a product
>massdrop orders a huge quantity of said product at a discount
>consumers and massdrop share the discount between them
>everyone is happy

>>55180405
God I hate autistic audio faggots so much. Bye cunts

>>55175489
This happened to my old pair when I let my dad have them. I'm surprised they didn't break while I still had them, the headband is pretty flimsy.

>>55180443
I'm sure there might not be other solutions or options. I'm sure you could have asked questions instead of acting like a self-entitled dick. Don't leave mad. Just leave.

>>55180439
ahh ok thanks

File: 1430382157231.png (500KB, 600x826px) Image search: [Google]

500KB, 600x826px

>>55180477
Fine I'm sorry, lets make up

File: gdfhfghjfgrrr.png (3MB, 1900x974px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1900x974px

>>55169221
Jesus fucking christ, the hd600's are the actual endgame. Every single song sounds fucking perfect and the only criticism you can make is that the sound stage is not as wide as the 702 for example, but it's accurate and wide enough imo. The bass is fucking perfect for every genre , this headphone is the perfect combination of detail and fun.

>>55176059
Rock Zircon.

>>55176250
Modi 2 Ubers AK4490 same chip as Bifrost.
and
Objective 2 amp.

>>55180288
Because. Gamer headsets suck.

File: e7a39e8d3bea880c3ca395c4617dfb3c08477f6d9fada7318b317756eaa4d4ca_1.jpg (79KB, 800x750px) Image search: [Google]

79KB, 800x750px

Help me choose a pair of headphones /g/. I know wireless headphones are shittier than wired, but i'm getting fed up with wires that being said im stuck between the two. Hyper x Cloud 2, turtlebeach stealth 450 and plantronics backbeat pro(max budget)? Open to other suggestions as well

Fiio x1would would be better than my ipod touch 2g right?

>>55181134
>Choice between shit, shit and shit.
Have you thought about getting some wired headphones and use a wireless adapter if you are that inept that you cannot handle wires?

>>55181035
embarrassing post

>>55181193
Why.

Any good cheap headphone recomendations?

>>55181294
Fill out the form.

>>55181294
Go to the landfill and pick up headphones. Literally free

>>55181294
Takstar 2050, ignore every other comment m8

>>55181294
AKG K240

File: 13483344_1586187831673755_572830688016782332_o.jpg (236KB, 2048x1152px) Image search: [Google]

236KB, 2048x1152px

I tested a lot of headphones yesterday and this one got my attention and bought it.

>Budget
$50
>Location
USA
>Source
Just my case's 3.5 MM jack.
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized? Not sure of the lingo.
>Open or closed
Closed.
>Comfort level
On 1-10, 7 minimum.
>Preferred tonal balance
Similar to MDR-V6. Don't really care though.
>Preferred music
>Past headphones
MDR-V6

Been thinking of getting ATH-M20x. Good reviews, looks simple, and was in the recommended headphones on installgentoo.

Just wanted some other opinions/suggestions before I pull the trigger.

>>55181878
AKG K 240

>>55181878
What happened to your v6?

>>55181035
Have you heard the 702? How different are the two?

>>55181961
dog

File: 1466084974295.jpg (102KB, 600x450px) Image search: [Google]

102KB, 600x450px

>>55181976
The hd600 sound perfect. The 712's are more detailed but they're too flat/bright compared to the hd600.

>Budget
$30-60
>Location
burger
>Source
sansa cliip+, occassionally laptop
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
I have big ear holes
>Preferred tonal balance
neutral to v-shaped
>Preferred music
opera, triphop, ambient
>Past headphones
soundmagic e10s

i need to replace the e10s soonish because the little grill bit on the tube is falling off too much lately, though I like their sound and feel, considering just getting another pair (or the updated model) but /hpg/ has convinced me that they're not the best at that price range

File: IMG_20160107_120740330_HDR.jpg (3MB, 4160x3120px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4160x3120px

>>55171757
those arent dt-880's, but yes, i think the 880 is comfy. i prefer my m50's for most stuff though.

>>55174118
i mean, the orpheus wasnt like "oh wow, the mids are so clear or anything"... the thing that made it so amazing, was that everything sounded like it was right there.... listening to pink floyd - money, the coins and stuff sounded like they were all around you. it was cray.

File: 7966298dd4cdeb90d0c9d78075f52e51.jpg (41KB, 650x432px) Image search: [Google]

41KB, 650x432px

fiio x3 AND fiio q1 COMBO YES OR FUCKING NO
HELP ME GUYS
I CURRENTLY HAVE AN IPOD TOUCH 6
WOULD IT BE AN UPGRADE OR NOT?
I PLAN ON BUYING A PAIR OF DT990 250 OHMS IN THE FUTURE
NO I CAN'T GET A SHIT STACK CUSTOMS AND TAXES FUCK MY SHIT UP PLUS NO WARRANTY

>>55182444
Xiaomi pistons

>>55181035
K702 >>>>>> HD600

>yfw the ATH-M50x prices have doubled in the past 4 years
thanks reddit for making these headphones popular and letting them charge whatever they want for them
a-are the M30x good? they are half the cost

>>55183305
That was /hpg/
If you weren't a blatant newfag you'd know those headphones were highly recommended until they became mainstream and the general moved to the new meme.

Can anyone explain why there's 2 listings of this? Is there any actual difference or is this just a summer sale?

https://www.jdslabs.com/products/48/objective2-odac-combo-revb/
https://www.jdslabs.com/products/169/objective2-odac-combo-revb-b-stock/

>>55183446
B Stock means they're not in pristine condition. They might have A E S T H E T I C details or were malfunctioning units that were repaired and put on stock again.

>$100
>laptop and smartphone
>full sized headphones
>open or closed as long as it doesn't leak so much that the whole room hears it
>high comfort - will be wearing 6+ hours a day. prefer cloth pads over sweaty leather
>mostly for media and gaming. bonus if good soundstage/sound location

>>55183504
thanks, made the appropriate order

>>55175281
k702 is consistently recommended as the k7-range headphone meant for studio work; see for instance

http://www.kenrockwell.com/audio/akg/k702.htm

I really like this quote:

"The LCD-3 are for making recordings sound great, while the K702 are for making great-sounding recordings."

>>55181035
some people don't want to sacrifice detail for """"fun""""

>>55183446
I assumed "b stock" are well-functioning but either some part had to b replaced, they are refurbished, maybe the housing is messed up (they said "cosmetic imperfections"). No doubt there's an FAQ?

anyway I got the o2+odac combo, didn't get the b stock but it's probably fine.

BTW:

* many people recommend NOT getting the combo because that way you can separately upgrade dac and amp

* it's rare to actually need an amp.

I got the combo for various reasons but be aware of the above "standard advice"

>>55184023
ah shit, I meant specifically the DAC is less needed than the amp.

so if you only have money for one, get the amp, and either way consider getting them separately.

>Budget
$50-$100, flexible
>Location
Home, outside
>Source
Either laptop or phone, mostly phone
>Preferred type of headphone
On-ear
>Open or closed
Prefer open, but probably closed in this case since I'll be using them in public
>Comfort level
Decently comfortable, I'd like to be able to wear them for longer amounts of time
>Preferred tonal balance
Flat
>Past headphones
Earpods, some sony MDR's that were about 20 bucks from walmart

>>55183033
what did you think of S vs the original?

>>55183842
please respond

>>55184197
didnt listen to the S, sorry :/

>>55184023
>>55184128
Oh, okay. I actually have a separate amp, I'm mainly looking for a universal dac option.

>>55184292
cool

yeah I got the combo because it's a cute little single unit that way, and also I have no plan to upgrade (and plan to fight the audiophile curse)

>Wireless is frowned upon.

But why?

>>55184438
because, everything has trade offs... why do companies still use wired internet instead of wireless? because wireless is slower, you can transmit less data... less data = less quality.

also, you need something in the headphones to make the wireless signal back into an analoge signal for the speakers.people pay hundreds for good DAC's, you really think theres a good dac inside that shitty wireless headset?

>>55184438
>>55184490
Someone gave a succinct list in a recent /hpg/ that was pretty damning. It went something like this, but desu a lot of it is common sense:

* more complexity / more things to break

* compression (this can probably be looked up, not sure exactly what these devices transmit.)

* conversion (DAC, as above; indeed, you're cutting dac/amp out of the loop?)

there were a bunch more items, I suck and can't remember. Do we ever see serious measurements for these wireless/cancelling/gimmick/whatever headphones?

>>55184688
>>55184490
Fair answer, though I admit that's a hit I would be willing to take if the payoff is having no wires running across my body and the ability to move around my apartment with them plugged in.

>>55184438
because its shit

>>55184721
sure thing; it's definitely not denying there's a use case for it. Just expect to not get top quality headphones, and expect there to be further price overheads.

>>55176059
>se215
>lacking in bass
nigga what?

they have like a 15db bass boost. the se215 is a bass monster.

>>55184897
I would expect no less.

If I'm being honest, my ideal product would be a wireless headset that doesn't totally suck ass, but posting that straight-away would result in someone, somewhere having an aneurysm.

>>55182393
how are the 712's "too flat" they one of the least flat of the high-end AKGs, they're bass boosted and the upper mids/treble transition isn't as smooth as the 701/702/612.

>>55181294
th-02

>>55181878
just get a CAL, it's the best at that price. but it doesn't sound like the v6, very few things do and nothing in your budget.

>>55184208
>>55183842
558, do the foam mod

>>55185021
He's trolling.
Report and ignore.

>>55184964
A friend of mine recently bought the wireless, noise cancelling sennheiser momentum 2. Mentioning these is probably sacrilege on /hpg/ , and to be honest worst at other places (at least we're anonymous; in those others, you'd have to create another account). Anyway, he likes them, but also he's never compared them to what we jerk off to here.

Personally, I have no need for such headphones, and also I like muh soundstage. but all power to you.

(I love walking and listening to music; in those cases, I have an IEM I use, I'm okay with the wire, though it is occasionally annoying.)

>>55184721
Then get wired headphones and a wireless adapter. That way you can not "take a hit" when you want to sit down and just enjoy the music and "take a hit" when you want to go wireless.

>>55185218
Yes, I've noticed that Sennheiser is a trusted brand around here. I looked into their wired headsets as well, but didn't mention it until now on account of line six.

>>55181782
It's still a very good headphone.

>>55185218
Can those be wired too or are they wireless only?

>>55185589
> Sennheiser
> trusted
They made only two good headphones and they're still overpriced.

What in the name of all that is holy can possibly justify the price of a modmic?

>>55185672
Lels

I don't like sennheiser but they're the hd600 is the most universally liked headphone around the internet.

>>55185589
btw the other comment about getting a good pair of headphones and additionally a wireless adapter was very sensible... (was not by me)

>>55185806
Yes, I've seen those images floating around. I'm skeptical of those claims since I did actually try that with a salvaged mic and the universal response I got was "jesus christ you sound you're talking through a mile of ocean". But maybe the salvaged mic I used was just that bad. Any one wireless adapter better or a greater value than another, or are they all more or less equal?

>>55185672
>Hd 598/558, 600, 650, 800
>Momentums
>Orpheus v1 and v2
they're pretty good FaM

>>55185797
it's a pretty good mic, and there isn't much else you can buy for that cheap. $50 is really cheap for a mic unless you want to buy direct chinkshit that needs phantom power, driving up the price. bottom barrel stuff like the zalman clip or cheap passive desk mics do ok for simple voice coms in competitive games but they don't really sound "good", I would never do extended co-op or recording or with one.

>>55183980
That's fair enough and I can see why someone would want the 702 as they were my first real headphone and I still really like them. the problem though is that one is screaming for improvements via EQ (bass) and the other sounds great with anything you throw at it.

>>55185021
Ok then ignore my use of the term 'flat', clearly we have a different definition.

The 702's are too bright, if you think they're bass boosted then i'd love to know what you listen to on a day to day basis, fucking hell.

>>55187353
the 712 is bass boosted, not as much as the k7xx but it's there compared to the rest of the lineup. the 702 isn't really boosted, just more extended than the 701.

>>55176219
>1999+17
>replying to 16-hour-old posts
For a real answer, wireless headphones use Bluetooth in 99% of cases, which means your audio is getting sent through proprietary compression codecs before getting decoded on the headset, most of which are lossy. Which means your MP3s sound even worse, and anything higher bitrate gets stripped down to whatever quality level is supported by both the source and headphones.

You might have a phone that can output lossless high-bitrate audio over bluetooth, and headphones that can receive lossless high-bitrate audio, but one uses one proprietary codec to do so and the other uses a different proprietary codec, so you can't use either to its full potential.

>>55187304
cool.

sorry for the troll post. My honest reason is I like the AKG sound and want to upgrade to their standard good offering before branching out more. It seems everyone that tries the hd600 loves it, so I don't doubt it's good. I usually have two headsets (one for work and one for home), so I might sell my current cans so I can have k702 + hd600.

>>55187478
Oh shit my mistake, I meant that the 702's are too flat+bright. The 712's are pretty bassy and they're very good but I prefer the hd600's.

>>55187887
are you the person that was posting earlier that just went from k712 -> hd600?

>>55187876
No problem m8. That would be a good combination of headphones, If I was the type of guy that owned multiple pairs of headphones then the 702's would definitely be a part of my collection, but I only want one, and for me the hd600s are the best one yet. They're like a smoother, less harsh 702 and they sound great with every single song. If you haven't tried them yet then you should. Get them from amazon so you can send them back if you don't like them.

>>55187975
I read everywhere that they have lesser detail than the k702, so it's better for me to have the k702 first. I'm the kind of person that digs through my music and finds unusual sounds, and I go nuts when I try a headset that hides them.

>>55187944
No. I have owned the k712's for the last month and i've just sold them on ebay because I prefer the hd600's. The k712's are very good though.

>>55187991
nice, thanks.

I tried the k7xx and thought they were shit-tier garbage, so I'm guessing I'd hate the k712 as well, and we'll see how I like the k702 when it arrives.

>>55187990
I know what you're saying, having a pair of headphones with less detail feels like a downgrade but the 702's are too bright imo, listen to the power of love by Jennifer rush, on the chorus her voice actually hurts your ears and that's not just my opinion. On rap songs or anything with heavy bass they feel lacking. The hd600's are slightly less detailed, (probably because they have more bass and a more narrow soundstage, although the soundstage is amazing and accurate) .

>>55188029
I haven't tried the 7xx's but if you think they're shit tier garbage then I highly doubt that you'd like the 712's lol.

What headphones would you consider good?, just wondering.

>>55188051
I only listen to certain kinds of bass-light electronic and classical, so might be very different. I actually find big bass very distracting and annoying... I'm kindof a perfect candidate for standard akg bass =P

>>55188075
apparently my tastes are shit-tier?

I adore my hf5's. I've owned a slew of IEMs that cost that much or less. I also like my k550s, but I have the original revision and I believe they've changed a fair bit since then. I've owned the 7506, wasn't crazy about them. I've tried a few other cans in the $200 and less price range, for instance the hd598, but didn't like them.

I did a pretty serious listening test with the k7xx against the k550, and the k7xx made me want to vomit.

>>55182444
>>55183214
any other choices? pistons are being described as "open" and not a lot of sound isolation which i prefer

>>55188078
Yeah, those two genres sound perfect for those headphones lol.

I'm with you on bass in general but that's why the hd600's are so good imo, The bass isn't over powering, it just sounds 'correct', that's why I said they're a perfect mix of detail and fun. They're slightly warm but very detailed whereas the 702's are very detailed and quite harsh.

>>55188091
I've never listened to any of the headphones you mentioned but I know that they're all supposed to be decent at least so i'll just have to take your word for it.

>>55188137
it'll be good to get a standard set of akg so I can better understand headphone discussion. Also the k550s do have lots of flaws (I just like the detail), so I'm eager for an upgrade. Anyway my tastes seem a little strange and maybe I'm just experiencing some stockholm syndrome.

>>55188119
Interesting, thanks. I plan to seriously try the hd600 once I get used to the k702.

hey guys im looking for some open headphones, ive been looking at grades sr80e, beyerdynamic dt990 pro, akg k612 and sennheiser 558. i can get these all for around 140 euro's which is the best one to get in your opinion? for more info see below.

=====
>Budget
~150euro's
>Location
Netherlands
>Source
this old mixer wich has a sign saying output is greater then 200 ohms, an cambridge amp (azur 651a). and im planning on getting a dedicated hp amp and maybe dac
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized over ears,
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
I want headphones that are a bit more comfortable then my ath m50x's
>Preferred tonal balance
don't really care nothing to different from neutral but couldnt really care
>Preferred music
mostly rock jazz hiphop and punk, will also be used for gaming, podcasts, series and movies.
>Past headphones
currently use ath m50x and shure se215
=====

>>55188482
AKG K612

>>55179504
I second this

Really happy with the Momentums

>>55188815
hmm oh shit, I didn't realized people had measurements on these things.

they look pretty weird
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserMomentumWirelessWiredActive.pdf

(e.g., vs hd600
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD600.pdf )

anyway, I understand you have other reasons for getting these headphones.

>tried JBL Everest 300 at best buy
>comfiest shit I've ever worn

The demo unit was broken so I couldn't try it out, anyone know if it's decent?

>>55189452
>The demo unit was broken
Well then tell them to fix it or else you won't buy it.

AKG K553 are on Massdrop for $120

>>55188482
HD 558 would be my pick. It's quite neutral, really comfortable and sensitive meaning you won't need an amplifier for it. DT990s is quite V-shaped by sound signature and their treble is often considered harsh. They are comfy and perfectly suitable for less powerful outputs if you get 32 Ohm version. DT880(if it is in your budget), is less V-shaped with not as harsh treble and definitely closer to neutral than DT990. Build, comfort and sensitivity follow are essentially the same. K612 is somewhat neutral, leaning towards a brighter sound with the typical rise around 2 KHz for many open back AKGs and treble peaks. They are quite insensitive so you'll probably need a headphone amplifier.

>>55189983
lets say i have a powerful enough headphone amp which would you recommend then?

>>55188119
> The bass isn't over powering, it just sounds correct
> They're slightly warm
That's a bit contradicting. HD600 emphasize mid-bass quite a lot, unlike K702, whose bass is pretty linear from around 60 Hz up to 270 Hz. Due to K702's seal issue and angled earpads, bass response can hugely vary according to the head's size and the headphone's position though, which is why imo some graphs and some people tell the wrong story about K702's bass.
> but very detailed
By details most people usually mean treble's details. According to this definition, HD600 isn't as detailed as K702, since K702 emphasize upper-mids and treble more than HD600.

>>55188078
I find K702 good for basically any genre, but for classical and generally acoustic music K702 is really superb. If you're also >>55187990, then K702 will probably be good. Be ready to hear things that you never heard in your recordings before.


>>55188091
K7XX adds unnecessary extra-bass to the K702. It was hyped as fuck because people thought that it was cheap on Massdrop (even though both K702 and Q701 were and are still are cheaper almost everywhere) and that K702 really lacked too much bass.

>>55187975
> they sound great with every song
Not a very positive thing imo. A good headphone should make great music sound great and poorly made music sound poor.

>>55190295
lols, I was each of the following posts:

>>55188078
>>55187990
>>55188091

I've been spamming these threads as I made my decision. Anyway, k702 coming in the mail now, super excited. I owe a lot to the people here; there were lots of extremely informative discussions. I'll post more after they've arrived and I've had time to experiment with them. I do have an amp (o2+odac) so there shouldn't be any issues driving them.

>>55190408
>informative discussions
people just copypaste shit they read at head-fi. it's hardly informative.

>>55190777
ah, no, it was definitely not copy-pasting. I also discussed on head-fi and the character was much different here. I found people here posted much more down-to-earth comments about headphones they'd actually owned, whereas head-fi was more opinionated and abstract.

File: shift.png (62KB, 620x369px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 620x369px

>>55190198
Personally still the HD 558 because of the response is the least problematic, quite free of sharp resonances which are hard(er) to correct with an equalizer and the tonality is at least for me really pleasing as stock. It can have one problem though and it's how the response will shift if your amplifier has high output impedance. It makes the HD 5x8 -series' midbass around 100 Hz elevate due to their impedance function. It leads them sounding overly warm or even muddy in some cases. This is easily countered by an equalizer but the uncertainty of the output impedance makes it a bit problematic. At least you can subjectively tell if the response is too warm and then tone it down. A peaking filter of Q 0.7 centered at 100 Hz with a negative dB value would fix it.

>>55191079
>>55190198
AKG K612 is more neutral, it doesn't have shit impedance peaks (being less problematic to drive) and it's cheaper.

>>55191204
the k612 is fucking terrible
the resonance at 2khz is a big fucking problem, more of a problem than impedance peaks. And no, it is not cheaper

> fucking problem
No it's not, all it demands is a simple EQ that can be done in less than 10 seconds.

>>55191204
>AKG K612 is more neutral
I don't see it. The treble response is very rough while the lower response is similar to most open back dynamic headphones: a gentle roll off. 2 KHz hump is smooth enough to be quite easily correctable but then again the response of the HD 558 stays much smoother around this upper mid and treble region. Tonality is easily corrected with EQ if one is too bright or warm but sharper peaks are not.

>it doesn't have shit impedance peaks
K612's impedance is relatively flat and won't cause any response shift. The shift is completely predictable on HD 558 and easily fixed by the method I gave there in my last post.

>(being less problematic to drive)
I'd say its four times lower voltage sensitivity and much higher power draw of the K612 is a lot harder load to drive.

>cheaper
Not really, especially if you factor in a possible purchase of a headphone amplifier.

And anyway, I gave my opinion to >>55190198 as asked. Not interested in a stock FR debate.

File: k612-frequency.png (46KB, 800x495px) Image search: [Google]

46KB, 800x495px

>>55191415

>>55189040
Ofc. the DT770 Pro 80ohm I got at home sounds better but I wouldnt say its a lot better. The aptX really seem to work good and the ANC isn't as aggressive as in thr Bose so they dont sacrifice so much sound quality.

I bought them for travelling and work (office).

>>55191524
Ps. Typing on the phone. Lot's of typos.

File: 1461186945751.jpg (13KB, 236x236px) Image search: [Google]

13KB, 236x236px

>>55191426
>diyaudioheaven

>Budget
100€
>Location
Belgium.
>Source
Computer.
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized over ears.
>Open or closed
Closed, but I don't mind Open.
>Comfort level
I wear glasses and I'll wear them all day.
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral
>Preferred music
Electronic and Funk + movies and games.
>Past headphones
HPM1000

I was recommended the MDRV6 and XPT100 but none are available in my country.

>>55169790
Lifetime warranty on these bad boys too. Just pay shipping for another pair.

>>55173629
Why don't you like grados? I picked up a used pair for 30 bucks and haven't had any regrets at all.

>>55173950
You did gr8

>>55192213

Hd558 are open

Would the e10 be enough to drive the k702?

>>55192381
I'm not the anon you replied to but see this >>55173831

>>55192587
sure

>>55189452
>JBL Everest 300
Lucky for you there's measurements of that thing.
http://goldenears.net/board/5988266 | JBL Everest 300
http://en.goldenears.net/8072 | Everyones favorite HD600

>>55192769
>http://en.goldenears.net/8072 | Everyones favorite HD600
they don't use the same compensation curve for the old measurements

>>55192504
Not available in my country either.

are there any single eurorack modular units for the dopefer, eurorack and all the others which can be mounted in a 19" rack ? basically just a modular 'case' for the modulars for a 19" rack and not a completelly separate case like that can be found fucling everywhere
and has anybody here experience with cv to midi converting ?
Input very much appreciated

>>55192213
>>55192951

I'm currently looking at these
>DT 770 PRO 250 Ohms (B-Stock)
>DT 770 PRO 80 Ohms (B-stock)
>Sony MDR7506
>ATH M40X (B-Stock and Regular)

>>55193290

V6 and 7506 are the same, the m40x have more bass if that helps, seeing your form i say the 7506

>>55193689
I've heard the 7506 was worse than the V6, that's why I was trying to get one.
I suppose I'll get it since the others are actually over my budget.

>>55190295
>That's a bit contradicting. HD600 emphasize mid-bass quite a lot, unlike K702, whose bass is pretty linear from around 60 Hz up to 270 Hz.
K702 when sealed properly has more mid-bass and lower midrange than the HD600.

The K702 is brighter overall but the response dips and peaks in some troublesome areas. The K702 sounds warmer than the HD600 to my ears and at the same time it sounds brighter.

>>55193730

The FR is altmost the same, maybe you will need to turn up the volume just a little to get the same sound, the only difference is the ground and gold jack on the 7506

File: arnolds.png (178KB, 1069x748px) Image search: [Google]

178KB, 1069x748px

https://youtu.be/sLf1c8Ss97Q?t=130

>so if you use high impedance headphones then you're going to be able to run them off of your motherboard without the need of a dac

>>55193860
YouTube reviewers and commenters are cancerous.

>>55193879
all reviewers are cancerous

>>55193747
>K702 when sealed properly
Aren't K702 open headphones?

How comfy are beyerdynamics?

I intend to use them for 4-5 hour intervals.

I've considered a lot of the advise in this thread (and other stuff I read), and am planning on ordering as much stuff as I can afford, keep the stuff like, and return the rest.

Can I consider a JDS Element a solid baseline? Do headphones like D600/AKG k702 require break-in periods or is that bunk? Would Apple music AAC 256k as a source impose a limitation at this level of equipment?

>>55194506
having a good seal is still important.
unless you're a subjectivist redditor of course.

>>55194805
>Can I consider a JDS Element a solid baseline?
It's more than that.

>Do headphones like D600/AKG k702 require break-in periods or is that bunk?
Bunk.

>Would Apple music AAC 256k as a source impose a limitation at this level of equipment?
Nope, not for any equipment. And in the case lossy compression is audible, it will practically be audible with all half-decent gear as its effect on the sound is quite different to that of your headphones limit.

>>55195091
>having a good seal is still important.
How so? With an open back the sound is going to escape so any resonance from the housing is the same whether you have a good seal or not.

>>55195801
you need a good seal to avoid a drop off in the bass response.
drivers don't produce sound in an omnidirectional manner. it doesn't matter if the headphones are closed-back or open-back.

>>55188029
the 712 is like a better k7xx, so if you want something different you'll probably like the 702.

>>55191426
this guy's measurements are not reliable

>>55195801
it's important for bass extension and lower bass in general. this is why leather or hybrid pads are a common mod to extend bass on open headphones that otherwise have roll-off. see he400i.

>>55169221
how's steelseries' siberia 350 for a headet

I'll talk about the HD800. People will tell you that HD800 and a middle tier amp is better than a lower tier headphone and a good amp. I don't agree. I firmly believe that the HD800 isn't worth it unless you're ready to commit to spending 2-3K on an amp/source. I'd take HD650s + Zana Deux + one of my DACs over HD800 + Crack or solid state amp + Middle Tier source any day of the week. And it's an issue of synergy. Problem is, I find the HD800s bright. Most people would say "well find a new headphone that isn't bright" and I'd say that's the wrong approach. None of those headphones can produce the kind of treble the HD800s can with the amount of speed and the nice tone that the HD800s have. I like what the HD800s can do. They just aren't an extended listening headphone for me in and of themselves. What does this have to do with amps? Well the issue what that HD800 Crack rig I mentioned is that it kills the HD800s imaging/detail which is the whole point of getting the HD800 in the first place. A solid state rig at a cheaper level that keeps the detail, in my experience, tends to sound bright and not good. Lets talk about the HD650/Zana Deux rig now. It doesn't get sloppy at all like a HD650/Crack rig can be. Its tubes have a hint of warmth that complements the hd650 and doesn't work against it like I feel solid state amps do. It's close to neutral while playing to the HD650s strengths of having a big sound and brings out a lot of detail and makes them sound nothing close to veiled. Give me the choice between that and the HD800 and an amp that works against it in one way or another, and it's an easy choice for me. And that choice is all driven by the amp. Lets talk about a fully formed HD800 rig though -- in my case HD800 + Zana Deux or DNA Stratus.

>Budget
350 flexible (I dont know how much ill have left i buy an at2020 with shockarm)
>Location
New Jersey, USA
>Source
Standard motherboard. More specifically msi z87-g45
>Preferred type of headphone
Circumaural
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
At least need to be able to wear them for a few hours a day
>Preferred tonal balance
Bass
>Preferred music
Dubstep, Trap, Rap, Pop
>Past headphones
Those on ear things that came with CD players back in the late 90s

>>55197118
mmmm, fresh pasta

just got a pair of Beyerdynamic 770's (32 Ohm in the mail today. Giving them the first try right now.

So far I'm loving them. Comfortable and sound is super crisp. Highs mids and lows all sound great, and don't ever down each other out so you can hear it all. Sound stage is also phenomenal, it feels like in im 360 degrees of sound.

I feel like a deaf kid who got hearing aids and heard his mother speak for the first time.

>>55197118
>Most people would say "well find a new headphone that isn't bright" and I'd say that's the wrong approach.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

>>55196529
>you need a good seal to avoid a drop off in the bass response.
You are retarded. The driver's position is the only thing that matters for bass response in an open headphone because the air is freely moving. A seal only matters on a closed headphone. You can take any open headphone, stick two fingers on either or both sides, open a break in the seal and the bass response is exactly the same (so long as you don't jostle the driver position.

>>55197124
PM3 if you can get it up there otherwise M-100.

nubred when?

>>55197541
When people say seal wrt open headphones, they're talking about the pads. In a strict sense its not a seal, but it's pad leakage.

>>55197660
>In a strict sense its not the pads creating a better seal, but it's changing the enclosure resonance.
FTFY

>>55197541
several open headphones show signs of leakage effects
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE400S.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD600.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD800S.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT88032ohm.pdf

>>55197794
Are you just throwing up graphs for no reason? Where does it list any test showing a difference between sealed and unsealed? Are you referring to isolation which is zero or less dbs?

anyone have the Etymotic Research ETY-Kids? how are they and are there any comparable IEMs for under 60? balanced, noice isolation, and comfy?

>>55197878
Get the MK5 instead. The kids is a gimped low volume ety for...........wait for it...........kids.

>>55197842
i'm referring to the raw measurements (shown in grey) which show 5 different trials from 5 different positions.

>>55197928
>i'm referring to the raw measurements (shown in grey) which show 5 different trials from 5 different positions.
All with the same "seal" status?

>>55197902
what about the Brainwavz M1

New thread:
>>55197967
>>55197967
>>55197967

>>55197945
depends on the measurement in question. the HD800S, for instance, shows a trial with a significant (~5 dB) drop off in bass because a repositioning lead to a broken seal.

>>55198026
>repositioning lead to a broken sea
[citation needed]
As I said before. Driver position makes a difference and your citation shows that as well. You are making up that the seal is broken do to re-positioning.

>>55198056
a different driver positioning would also affect the rest of the frequency response. that is not the case.

>>55198090
>a different driver positioning would also affect the rest of the frequency response.
It would only affect the bass and the treble.

>>55198129
do you have a source on that?

>>55198179
This coming from the guy who was requested a citation and failed to provide one? Are we a bit of a hypocrite?

Then, of course, there's your very citations provided which shows specifically "different positions" which explicitly will affect driver location and each and every one the mids are barely affected.

File: Feature_MecedonianHero_headphonesigma_Figure6.jpg (65KB, 600x430px) Image search: [Google]

65KB, 600x430px

>>55198221
>The bass to mid bass/lower mids regions (Regions 1 and 2) still show little effect of precision loss due to headphone placement.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/expert-tests-innerfidelitys-headphone-measurement-repeatability-and-reproducibility-page-2

>>55198349
So the bass and sub bass is more affected than mid bass and low mids? Thanks for supporting the point.

Oh, and then there is:
>First, the reader should know thatl the peaks and valleys in the high frequency region arrise from resonances: between the driver and ear; within the concha ridge of the ear; and in the ear canal itself.

>Because these resonant cavities are very small, very small positional changes of the headphones on the head significantly shift the resonant frequencies of the acoustic coupling between the headphone and ear.

Finally there is:
>Peters current study shows us the repeatability when measuring an HD 800---a headphone that's fairly positionally insensitive.
>If I were to perform the same test with a Beyerdynamic DT1350, which tends to be fairly positionally sensitive, we might see a completely different analysis from Peter. In that case, variations reported in bass response do to the changing seal would be much higher.
Which shows the lack of importance of a seal with open headphones versus closed headphones.

Thank you for proving my point.

File: Feature_MecedonianHero_headphonesigma_Figure7.jpg (57KB, 600x430px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 600x430px

>>55198515
>So the bass and sub bass is more affected than mid bass and low mids?
20 Hz is not affected more than the mids. the drop off get bigger the lowest the frequencies go.

>First, the reader should know thatl the peaks and valleys in the high frequency region arrise from resonances: between the driver and ear; within the concha ridge of the ear; and in the ear canal itself.
>Because these resonant cavities are very small, very small positional changes of the headphones on the head significantly shift the resonant frequencies of the acoustic coupling between the headphone and ear.
yeah, that's pretty much the point of the article. repositioning affect the treble to a large degree, bass and mids, not so much.

>Which shows the lack of importance of a seal with open headphones versus closed headphones.
it shows the drop off in bass could not be caused because of driver repositioning.

So I have some portapros which I fucking love, is there any point in trying ksc 75s as well? I hear that people switch the drivers on them and get really good sounding results, anyone try this? I heard that it makes the porta pros have tighter bass, and it takes the highs on the 75s. Sounds interesting.

>>55198614
>20 Hz is not affected more than the mids. the drop off get bigger the lowest the frequencies go.
Then I will correct what I wrote earlier. Only the treble will be affected by repositioning not the entire spectrum as you claimed.

>it shows the drop off in bass could not be caused because of driver repositioning.
Nor, as the papers pointed distinction lays bare, is it caused by the "seal" on the HD800.

Guys I have a Lenovo Vibe K5 phone and I'm looking to buy earphones with a mic because the built in one is shit, you have to yell to pick up sound which is not good for skypecalls if you do it as regularly as I do. Any help?

>>55199568
if you want good audio quality, I recommend hf2/hf3. I used hf5 for years, then got these, and am pleased.

>>55197048
They are fine but you better check the site for comparisons.