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>"Linux is the best environment for programming!"

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>"Linux is the best environment for programming!"
>Doesn't even have VS
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u wot m8
https://code.visualstudio.com/
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>>51498659
>VS
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>>51498695
That's like saying you know Java when you've never used anything except Javascript
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>"Linux is the best environment for programming!"
>Doesn't even have Xcode
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>>51498659
>VS
>good
It's a sad product when you're even outclassed by netbeans
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>>51498738
I can't tell if your post or your image makes you more of a dick head m8
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>>51498659
What's good about VS?
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>>51498899
>Netbeans better than VS

Literally what? Or is this going to be a "Because VS is made by Microsoft, that automatically makes it bad!" thread?

Because VS is fucking tops.
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>>51498659
>>51498659
No one does win forms or wpf shit anymore. VS is irrelevant
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>>51498738
dumb GNU/NEET
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>>51498915
Sadly, no. VS can barely into remote dev, and literally only for Microsoft services and project plugins that support remote code deployment like lightswitch.
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>>51498915
VS is
Slow
annoying to use
hard on the eyes
cumbersome

and it offers no advantages over other IDEs.

oh and its an IDE

use vim + compiler, only way to do it.
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>>51498963
This guy knows
Vim+gcc master race
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>>51498924
>Winforms
I love how each build of a winforms project regenerates thousands of lines of UI code, never in the same order. Have fun with your version control.
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>>51498963
>>51498992
Serious question here, but what is the supposed benefit of an IDE? I've always just used vim and gcc.
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>>51498963
>use vim + compiler

you might want make too.
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>>51499023
has a compiler integrated in it, for one to increase efficiency
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>>51499023

if you're using gcc, prolly not much.
if you're using java tho then netbeans refactoring tools are awesome.
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>>51499038
How is efficiency increased?
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>Currynigger: The IDE
>Not using glorious Qt Creator.
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>tfw Visual Studio installs several GB of useless MS shit
>tfw Visual Studio is next to impossible to remove completely. (seriously, google it)
>tfw you may need to have multiple versions of Visual Studio for some projects because one of the libraries you're was compiled with a different version of VS than the one you're using

>tfw Linux users can install gcc and an ide under a minute and start their project while you'd be still wating for VS to install on Windows.
>tfw Linux users can grab all of their required libraries from a central repo and guarantee that anyone who uses their program can do the same.
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Visual Studio is obviously good for .net, but not much else. It has a better debugger than anything Linux offers, but Linux has better compilers.
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but it does
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>>51499257
Faggots and Microsoft shills know everything.
I wonder who's behind this post...
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>>51498659
>vs
HAHAHA HOLY SHIT!!
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>>51499257
Been professional for 8 years now, and the biggest problems I've ever had with build environments, dependency management, etc have all been with VS.
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>>51498963
>>51498992
MINE NEIGGERS
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>>51499225
gdb + valgrind are fucking perfect for debugging.
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>>51499331
radare2 is better. hell, why not gdb server and ida pro on windows?
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>>51499347
never used radare, never needed more than gdb+valgrind. what does it do that gdb cant ?
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>>51498924
WPF developer chiming in.
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>>51498954
M80, I use git on VS every day...
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>>51499420
Woopty fucking doo, you can now use a VCS that the rest of the world has been using for a decade, and only poorly at that.

Good luck with your merging
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>>51499420
and there was an article about a guy who used to use VS git feature, VS fucked up, and made a private repo public, and leaked sensitive data.
give, the guy was a fucking moron for using github for his project and for using VS, but still...
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>>51499463
>fucking moron for using github for his project

What's the better alternative?
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>>51499503
self-hosted
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>>51499292
>>>/pol/

>>51499313
So the biggest problems you've had is with using a platform designed for babies. And you're using this as a example of what, how inept you are? So, a professional what, prostitute?
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>>51499503
this >>51499515 honestly for a project with senstive data and code that shouldn't be disclosed to the public
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>>51498659
You mad that VS doesn't have built in desktop ricing support? Fucking NEETs. I used to think like you then I got a job brogramming in C#.

Ricing desktops = 0$
Using Visual Studio and working on real projects = 100k per year
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>>51499503
For private? Literally any other service
>>51499521
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>>51499503
Not using Github.
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>>51499543
The truth hurts.

>>51499546
using Github. Seriously, unless ist for open source, to are doing it wrong.
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>>51499543
>>51499546

Let me rephrase then. What's so bad about Github? Why /shouldn't/ I use it?
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>>51499023
It comes with everything you need and just werks out the box.
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>>51499648
I'm not advocating against github. *I* don't like it for my own reasons.

If you're making private repos, don't use github.
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>>51499648
the point is, you CAN use git locally so if that is sufficient, why WOULD you add the extra complexity of github. its basic engineering to minimise complexity.
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>>51499680
Pretty much every distro comes with everything I need and works for me. What's the difference?
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>>51499693
I just looked at Github's pricing. Turns out I'd need to pay for private repos.
So yeah, you're correct. Anything but Github would be better for private repos.

>>51499714
I guess that's understandable. It seems like having it stored online somewhere would be better if you're travelling or w/e.
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>>51498659
GCC/G++ > VS
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>>51499742
why dont you try it and find out. make up your own mind? hmm?
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>>51499757
>It seems like having it stored online somewhere would be better if you're travelling or w/e.

there you go you just came up with a reason for the extra complexity. congratulations, you're now thinking like an engineer.
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>>51499782
But I still have no concrete reason to believe that any particular IDE offers me an advantage. Why should I try one?
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>>51499773
Clang or GTFO.
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>Linux doesn't have VS but it does have vim/emacs/notepad.exe!

Have none of you had a programming job before or something? I'm a fucking NEET but can't imagine doing that for a project larger than 100 lines
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>>51499805

well i gave you one above but you appear to have ignored it.

>>51499040

so let me expound a little more. ide's can also help with consistency. so when you're in a team (which is how most software is done) the ide can ensure everyone lays out there code the same. everyone knows where the test harness is. the build is the same, the way to run the tests is the same and so on. this becomes important in a team so you can eg help a team mate out without spending an hour getting him to explain his environment.

note, you can (and i have) done the above in a team with just gcc, vi and make but you'll end up toolsmithing a lot and manually enforcing consistency which is a lot of effort.

sufficient?
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>>51499910
>well i gave you one above but you appear to have ignored it.
I pretty much debunked your earlier reason.

What you posted below makes quite a bit more sense though.
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>>51499878
i do, and i use tmux+vim+gcc+gdb+valgrind+git
works fine for me, but the project i'm currently working on is only ~60k lines of code
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>>51499933
>I pretty much debunked your earlier reason.

you did? i just checked, i see no replies to that post debunking anything. please, do point me at this debunking.

>What you posted below makes quite a bit more sense though.

splendid.
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>>51499804
Can't you just use rsync to to sync your code between desktop and notebook?
Sorry if i miss something i don't know much about version control software.
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>>51499997

sure you could. but even better would be to say make your desktop the main git repo and then point your notebook at that and use git itself to keep things in sync. its what its for.
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>>51499878
>notepad.exe
>Linux
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>>51500045
>Not running notepad.exe in Wine like a true ganoo/linucks user.
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>>51498659

I honestly doubt you can beat Visual Studio.

But goddamn has it had a rough history. Version 6 was fucking amazing. Fast as all hell.

After that, it went downhill for quite awhile. 2003 was slow (but introduced .NET and C#). 2005 was better generally, and 2008 was better still.

2010 was a goddamn horror show. Slow, bloated, ugly, and it absolutely broke the fuck out of C++. I stayed with 2008 until 2013 came along.

2013 and 2015 are generally awesome, though what the FUCK is up with their bizarre elimination of Tools | Options instead opting for "property pages". You literally have to have a solution loaded in order to edit options/properties that apply to the entire application.

The single greatest thing about Visual Studio is probably how well integrated debugging is. You can step through your code right there in the main IDE, doing the same thing across a pretty wide variety of applications. It seems like most web-oriented people don't get the difference between real breakpoints and trace/logging/alerts, so it seems a bit lost on them.

When I first used Eclipse back around 2001 or so, it was clunky and shitty looking. That Borland Java IDE was way sweeter. The last time I used Eclipse, around 2011 or so, it was actually pretty tolerable.
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>>51498659
have you heard of MonoDevelop?
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>>51499410
my condolences. maintaining decades old enterprise spaghetti must be worse than death. i imagine you must pray to cthullu for swift and merciful end to your existence every night. hang in there brother
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>>51499054
last time I tried using Qt Creator I got aids and suffered from an anal prolapse
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>>51500145
It doesn't beat VS but it's still pretty good IMO.
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>>51498659
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I like the JetBrains editors better at this point.

VS is Microsoft vendor lockin, once you do anything that leaves the Microsoft world you are fucked and have to resort to workaround after workaround. I take that the people that constantly praise it do exactly that, development exclusively for Windows, otherwise I cant explain that opinion.

I've got an OSS project running (library in C, posix) and some guy did a pull request to make it compile with VS. He basically had to add 3 or 4 huge XML project files, 10 copy pasted c-files with about 100-200 lines each to add missing system calls, a batch file, more than 20 ifdefs scattered all over the place in existing code just to make it work with that POS compiler VS enforces. I asked him if he could make the patch less invasive (he couldn't) so I had to reject it cause it would make the whole project unmaintainable and it already works with MinGW for Windows.

Other solutions like CLion, NetBeans, Eclipse, ( partiallz even VIM + YCM) have any feature VS has, but will just work with any project, though it might require a few minutes of configuration.
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I took a class on MASM this semester and it took me 2 weeks to finally get VS properly working. What a piece of shit.
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>cross compiling
Nice meme
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>>51499812
>not using both clang and gcc
there is no reason not to
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>>51498659
>"Windows is the best enviroment for games!"
>Doesn't even have Tux Racer
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>>51498659
>VS
Give up programming
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>>51500082
>The single greatest thing about Visual Studio is probably how well integrated debugging is. You can step through your code right there in the main IDE, doing the same thing across a pretty wide variety of applications.
Is that supposed to be omething special? You can do this with any fart IDE that exists, NetBeans, Eclipse, CLion, QtCreator, even text editors like Emacs, Atom or Sublime can do that with plugins by now.

>It seems like most web-oriented people don't get the difference between real breakpoints and trace/logging/alerts, so it seems a bit lost on them.
Nice opinion.
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>>51499050
>using vim+gcc
Write program, exit vim, compile, run
Or you could have two terminal windows open but still you'd have to save using vim's convoluted shortcuts and Alt+Tab to the other terminal just to compile

>using IDE
Write code, use keyboard shortcut to run program

It doesn't force you to exit the editor to test your program. Plus, it can tell you right on the editor any error you may have that using editor+compiler will only tell you at compile time, thus wasting some time.

I agree that it's handholding, but unless you're learning, an IDE will almost always be more efficient.
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>>51499521
Shut up, rajesh
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>>51500145
eh It might be cause I was a bit of a noob but monodevelop seemed like shit when I used it, I only tried it for a short time but I just use visual studio code and mono, works ok for me, albeit I am only doing tiny uni projects
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>>51498659
so much m$ curry in this thread
just leave, untermensch
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>16GB notepad
>good
Choose one
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>>51498659
>VS
>Good
Anyway
Visual Studio has been open sourced and the Linux version is being developed.
Are you seriously this retarded?
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>>51504150
>Visual Studio has been open sourced and the Linux version is being developed.
>Are you seriously this retarded?
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Its funny because they teach to you to use VS and Eclipse in college, then when you realize when you graduate everyone just uses vim or emacs and gcc/g++. Outside of web development its all python or c/c++ these days anyway. Literally no reason to use IDE.
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>>51504150
visual studio != visual studio code
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so, what is the best ide for c#?
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>>51504576
>ide
>c#
At least apple dips know a valid c language.
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>>51499257
I honestly think that posts linking to more than 4 other posts shall be deleted automatically. They never bring anything valuable to the conversation and only obtrusively show up in every other posts' answers.
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>>51503759
>>Using vim+gcc
>>use the command :!make if you have a makefile or use :!gcc -c something.c then :!gcc somthing.o

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>Microsoft
Not even once.
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>>51505762
or just use make main.c like a normal person without a makefile and then ./main
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>>51498963
>>51498992
>2015
>>still using vim instead of the mighty emacs
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>>51498659
Linux is shit for coding. I don't want to have an hour of system config bullshit to literally do anything.

>wine

Fucking kill me now.

OSX and windows are nice because they actually care about making things user friendly.

All systems should be built imagining that the user is drunk.
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>not using a jetbrains ide

I use VS for C# and WebStorm for Node/web. I like both but WebStorm wins.
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>>51507219
At the very worst, all you need to do is install a text editor and a compiler andd a few other minor utilities depending on what your doing which takes 15 minutes

>> Pic related
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>>51498963
>annoying to use
You can get ViEmu for $100. It gives you complete Vim shortcut compatibility in VS.

It's actually really awesome.
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>>51507219
>someone actually fell for the Gentoo meme.
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>>51498659
>VS
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>>51503695
>Is that supposed to be omething special? You can do this with any fart IDE that exists

Really? You can deploy web services and debug them remotely through every one of those IDEs?

>Nice opinion.

It's generally true. Remember that until Chrome came along, you couldn't even set breakpoints in website Javascript without expensive extensions. And stepping through your web service code? Forget about it.
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>>51499878
>not using Mono for C# or Codeblocks for C++
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>>51498659
>VS is the best text editor/IDE

Welcome to the /g/tarded side of /g/
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>>51498963
>slow
You're entering fucking text. TEXT. if it's actually noticeably slow and not having a difference of like 1 nanosecond, stop using a computer that still has vacuum tubes.
>hard on the eyes
Still leagues better than the "gay pride parade raped a clown car, then the offspring went on a bad acid trip" neon rainbowfont I've seen in Vim.
>cumbersome
Stop trying to code on a NUC or a phone from 2001. This is literally a nonissue.
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>>51498659
How does it feel that your hobby IDE can't even surpass Vim.
Eclipse master race reporting.
Are you that faggot who keeps meming that VS is the industry standard?
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Bitch if all about dat pycharm u dig?
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>>51507667
Thats because the world is filled with poorfags
Professionals who are not neets use Visual Studio.
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>>51507628
>VS isn't the best development environment

Give my regards to your unfortunate parents, bringing up a child suffering from freetardation must have been very hard on them.
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>>51507605
Netbeans, eclipse, and intellij ide's are all capable of this across every language they support, across every platform they support.

Netbeans can set breakpoints in every language it can write for, including php (inb4php) and remote compile and debug C++, including code completion for the remote machine's libraries.

Good luck writing your SharePoint plugins though. I'm sure that's a fulfilling job.
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>>51507361
Fuck Jetbrains, ReSharper is incredible but they have an utterly disgusting model of splitting everything i to it's own IDE. Everything should've been under intelliJ but no, they had to split it into individual licenses where every IDE has features the others miss by being specialized for a certain language.

They are all the same, yet for some reason I am requires to navigate between numerous IDEs for anything web related that's not Node.
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>>51507542
>51505762

>Visual Studio 2015
>emulating Teletype interface
>tfw

Seriously, I don't get it. There are precisely three things I like about vim: 1) it's fast, 2) I can throw my config file in Dropbox and have the same experience across machines and 3) the regex syntax is identical to GNU tools.

Which, incidentally, is one thing I absolutely *despise* about Visual Studio. They change up the regular expression syntax every few years. I waste too much time having to look up how things like tagged expressions now work.
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>Not using vim
>2009+5
ishygddt
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>>51507855
Don't worry about my parents. Just think about you kids. Think about how they''ll live with an autistic, Microsoft shill as a parent.
>>Please don't have kids
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>>51507667
Proves nothing.
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>>51507949
>Netbeans, eclipse, and intellij ide's are all capable of this across every language they support, across every platform they support.

Yeah, so good job dropping IDEs off your list once you actually paid attention to the requirement being discussed.

>Good luck writing your SharePoint plugins though.

I've never touched SharePoint in my life.
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God setup right here:
Ultra decked out emacs
Hand written make files
Clang for autocomplete and static analysis
G++ for compiling
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>>51508040
Yes it does.
I feel sorry that youare so butthurt about your hobby IDE.May be get a job and you will have a sense of what happens in the world.
>>51508054
>never used sharepoint
>never left mamas basement
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>>51508028
I suggest you don't get a GF.Not all girls will be able to handle an autist like you.
>Almost 2016
>Still thinks of having kis and a family
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>>51508015
The regex syntax is not at all identical to GNU tools, but ViEmu re-implements regex so you get the same ones.

The thing I like about Vim is the clean and efficient editing commands, and that's what you get with ViEmu.
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>>51508110
> yes it does
No.. It doesn't. I just showed you a pie that shows that the second most popular framework to develop websites in is ASP. Web API popularity is also rising.
Yet you ignore this? Perfect.
Here's my source:
http://trends.builtwith.com/framework
Where's yours, NEET?

> hobby IDE
Didn't realize hobby IDEs cost 800$. Expensive hobby. Faggot.
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>>51498910
The integrated debugger is the best, by far.
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>>51508217
>Can't believe there are expensive hobby software
>What is fagOS
>Ironically
>claims to be
>a
>web developer
kek
Still PHP is the no 1.
Are you ignoring that or you going to be like one of those keks who keep saying Windows Phone will be top OS for mobiles in 2016.
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>>51508217
>using a 300 GB IDE
>for web development
Literally kek
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>>51508136
Why would I listen to the advice of a clearly retarded shill?
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>>51508217
You are funny senpai.You posted something that clearly shows PHP to be No 1 and keeps saying ASP being second makes VS the most popular IDE.
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>>51498659
I dislike VS, but I would never claim that's anything more than personal preference. It's not absolute shit, even if it does kind of feel like an 80s throwback to Lattice C.
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>>51508040
>posting from your phone
>>>/trash/
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>>51507605
>It's generally true. Remember that until Chrome came along, you couldn't even set breakpoints in website Javascript without expensive extensions.
No, you've been able to do thus using Microsoft script debugger for a long time before chrome even existed.
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>>51507667
>most popular IDEs
>notepad++
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>>51508403
Well he is right.Most people when coding does'nt need anything as powerful as something that VS or Eclipse offers.They just usually go for one that has autocompletion,debugging and Compiling so they go for Notepad++
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>>51508403
>Using bloated IDEs
>To write in C and C++
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>>51508397

Yes, you're right. There was a free extension that required a thousand dollar IDE.
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/g/ is so easy to bait.
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The IDE shouldn't matter.
Visual studio does not magically improve your ability to edit files.

What does matter is the tools available.
If you are doing web development it is easy to have an excact copy of the software running on your local machine for testing.

If you are doing applications it easy to analyze memory, automate tests, create documentation and everything you want.

If you are doing embedded, it is easy to emulate the device you are working on.
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>>51508472
>not using development environments with integrated debuggers

It's like you've never written anything larger than a "hello world" project. In the real world, you actually -need- these things because switching sourcefiles manually (god forbid) during debugging is far too tedious.

In any case, I doubt that pie chart is credible. Literally nobody in the professional world programs large projects in notepad++. If Eclipse/Netbeans/VS was in 1st place it'd at least be believable. But it fails to even be remotely realistic. That chart is more likely includes DE of undergrad students than anything.
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>>51499910
Isn't this what stuff like build systems like cmake (well, it builds the build script) or gradle are for?
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>>51498963
>no syntax highlighting
>no intellisense
>ugly as fuck
>complicated
>two step process to do anything

You're fucking retarded asshole.
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>>51508602
eh it seems like everyone is just having fun arguing. Have any better ideas to waste time at work anon?
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>>51508682
I don't think you can use "ugly" as an argument unless your IDE has to be pretty....you faggot
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>>51508716
It has to be not eye burningly fugly like vim and its stupid fucking command system.
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>>51508682
>>No syntax highlighting
>>No intellisense
There are plugins for that

>> Ugly as fuck
It fucking works. Only a faggot like you would care how it looks.

>>Complicated
>> two step process to do anything
The only commands you have to know are :q, :wq,
:!make, i(literally pressing the 'i' keypad), ESC. Hw is that complicated? Oh yeah, you're an autistic faggot. How did I forget that.

Stupid fuccboi
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>>51508816
*How
>>:w is also another commad. It's still simple as shit.
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>>51508403
Nice reading compression there.
>Most popular IDEs & Code Editors
>& Code Editors
>EDITORS
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>>51508816
Stupid neckbeard weeaboo prick kill yourself faggot.
>>
Unix *is* my IDE
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>>51508682
>not having intellisense
Christ, I hate any DE that doesn't have context awareness. I mean, even fucking eclipse has it. I shouldn't have to swap sourcefiles to write code that only uses the APIs I've just finished writing, only to compile and find out I misspelled the 10 functions I've called/edited each iteration.
And don't even get me started on debugging.
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>>51508324
I never said that it was. You'd do well to take care of your reading comprehension.

>>51508291
Oh, hyperboles. Cool.

>>51508263
Read what I wrote to top anon.

I never said VS is the most popular IDE. Only that your claims are empty because I can also pull a chart that completely negates everything you say and imply.

Also, it's obvious PHP is the most popular. For a good while, it was the only viable thing out there.

But it's receding and becoming more obsolete as the days go by. Even the w3 websites are built in ASP.

Now, you gonna counter that or you gonna continue shitposting?
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>>51508841
>notepad++
>'CODE editor'

I stand by my statement.
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>>51508843
Right after you, you autistic waste of organic matter and existence.
>>:3
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>>51508870
FAGGOT!
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>>51508870
>>51508888
I think you guys might be pretty cool friends in real life you fags
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>>51508816
How is typing :!make easier than a build hotkey?

And the general idea that you have to mentally switch between inserting text and editing is complicated compared to modern text editors where everything just works.
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>>51508888
I feel bad for your parents. They had to deal with a autistic retard (clearly you have reached a whole new level of retardation) like you for a number of years now. Let them know I sent my condolences to them.
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>>51509002
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>>51508888
pretty sad man
i feel for you
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>>51499503
>>What's the better alternative?
Gitlab is great.
Also if it's private with sensitive data you can host gitlab yourself for extra security.
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>>51508574
It was free application no vs installed. I used it while you were still watching blues clues. God you're a dumb fucking shit.
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>>51509068

Why not just use ordinary Git? If he needs to host, just use a ssh-daemon.
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>>51508976
>>
>And the general idea that you have to mentally switch between inserting text and editing is complicated compared to modern text editors where everything just works.
What does this even mean? Does VS just read my mind and write code for me or something. Vim has different modes that you can switch between depending on what you're doing, and it's really easy to get used to.
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>>51508976
>>everything just works
Everything just works with vim+gcc too. It's just taking up less space, because I honestly don't need any extra features. They don't help me get finished any sooner or really enhance my work at all. It might help you but minimalism is my schtick.
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>>51498992
g++ gvim reportin for duty
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>>51509102

I think he's saying that it's tedious that you even -have- to switch modes and everything isn't just there for you.

Have you actually tried developing in VS? It's completely different.
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>>51509138
>Have you actually tried developing in VS?
No, this is why I'm confused. What's there for me in VS that I don't already have in vim? Pretty much any feature I could want is just a line or two in my config file.
>>
How long before VS proper is open-sourced and ported to OS X and Linux?
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>>51499062
>>tfw Visual Studio installs several GB of useless MS shit
You can disable the shit you don't want.

>>tfw Visual Studio is next to impossible to remove completely. (seriously, google it)
Not true, and if you got problems removing some remains there's a tool that will remove it.

>>tfw you may need to have multiple versions of Visual Studio for some projects because one of the libraries you're was compiled with a different version of VS than the one you're using
Nope. If you have some project created with lets say VS13 and want to open it in VS15 then let VS15 do a conversion (one time) and that's it. Has nothing to do with compiling, only with the project files.

Also, shut up with your linux shit, if you had worked extended periods of time with visual studio you wouldn't even start to compare it with any other IDE.

>>51499225
Do you guys even know what visual studio is capable of?
If a language is not supported by default, there's most likely a plugin for it.
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>>51508245
Why? Because you can step through, set breakpoints, and view state?
What else is there that isn't solved by every other decent IDE?
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I think Linus still uses microemacs for dev, so considering the kernels bloat I really don't think it matters what you use. Still think VS and Jet brains ide are better than everything else. But then again for personal use I use just a text editor like notepad2 because it doesn't matter.
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>>51509085
Well true but i like the web interface of gitlab a lot.
We use self hosted gitlab at work and I use gitlab.com for private use.
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>>51509256
>Windows Phone
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>>51509200
>let VS15 do a conversion
VS is so bad at this outside of the most trivial wizard projects that if you'd have ever done any kind of professional development you'd know this off hand and wouldn't have even mentioned it.
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>>51498659
>"Preparing for first use" on every 3rd start
>No i don't freaking want to sign up just to use a text editor with some glitter on top.
>"Parsing header file xyz.h (1 of 1296)" on every other start. Totally unusable until it's finished.
>1-2 second delay when processing syntax highlight
>stalls syntax highlighting if i hit Ctrl+S faster than it can process.
>Has no fucking clue wat to do if the file suffix is suddenly cu instead of c,cpp,hpp etc.
>Preference windows closes and ignores all changes if it's defocused
>Windows 98 tearing problems
>compiler goes full tard mode if i use a pointer like an array. Freaking *(data+index) everywhere

>Having VS
>2015

I'm fucking done with this shit excuse of an IDE.
Even Vim and a sane compiler is more usable.
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>>51509644
I'm working with VS professionally, you shouldn't blame the mistakes you make on the software you use to make the mistakes
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>>51509661
>>>"Preparing for first use" on every 3rd start
Not true unless you are too stupid to configure it

>>No i don't freaking want to sign up just to use a text editor with some glitter on top.
You don't need to sign up

>>1-2 second delay when processing syntax highlight
It takes no time at all with every language I've ever programmed in in visual studio.

>>stalls syntax highlighting if i hit Ctrl+S faster than it can process.
Because saving your file hundreds of time in a row is a normal thing to do?

>>Preference windows closes and ignores all changes if it's defocused
Didn't experience that either.
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>>51509665
>you
No anon, everyone else.
I don't use VS for anything outside of webapi because it's simply shit. Monodevelop/xamarin is almost comparable for webapi anyway, with numerous much better refactoring tools, and better platform support.

The only reason VS still exists is babyducks that started using it right our of college, or old MS wizards from the oil field. Literally every other IDE is better, and most plain editors are better too.
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>>51498659
>using a proprietary ide
>using a proprietary language
>>
JAVA OR C#????
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>>51509661
Your hard drive if fucked.
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>>51511943
C/C++ NIGGER!!!!
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>>51502762

JetBrains shit is even slower.
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>>51498899
the only thing netbeans outclasses is rocks and sticks
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>>51499019
>I love how each build of a winforms project regenerates thousands of lines of UI code, never in the same order. Have fun with your version control.
That's not only never happened, that's not even how it works.
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>>51498910
debugger and profiling tools integration is sadly the best available
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>>51499463

Read the article again.

The bug was inside the github plugin for visual studio. Blame Phil Haack.
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Sublime Text and VS are the only good software for programming.
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ewww hobby programming in windows? Mine as well just lube up your ass yourself while you're at it
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>>51511943
C#
that's what I'm starting with at least
also I recommend the animal book with the heron or whatever the hell it is. it's shit, but because it's shit you have to actually figure out what the fuck is going on and you actually learn what the fuck is going on
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>>51498659
>VS
>Good
Gee Jimmy, those "Hello world" programs you made are so cool, yer a real hacker.
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>>51498659
I can't justify using something so large and filled with so many tools I'll never use.

Honestly, I just use Mousepad and gcc. I'm a student in engineering so my programs aren't especially large and don't need to be deployed for anyone but myself and a couple friends.
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>>51500145
when I used monodevelop it froze constantly, hung on the splash screen, wiped all the lines of my project out and replaced it with corrupt data, then saved all of my files with a starting line of about 18000 NULL characters
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>>51498659
GR8 B8 M8 I R8 IT 14/88.
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>>51499878
My latest project has 5758 lines and it's all written in QtCreator. Also, MSVC compiler is garbage. Your entire argument is a fallacy.
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When I used VS back in the day it was a mess, but I've needed to use it lately for school and I really liked its autocompletion and integrated debugging.
I think I might go back to it, or at least try to write some neovim plugins.
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>>51514645
>Qt
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