''Nietzsche's complete works''? More

He was truly a bridge to the Ubermensch. He will be remembered for all time.

He started, and hardcore studied the greeks

I want to read his works. Are there any differences in the few English translations I've heard about, and if so is there a "definitive" version?

>>24406
He started with the greeks, then he repeated the greeks, then he took a break with some light post-greeks literature and philosophy, then guess what he did?

>>24406
I guess that was a real eye-opener for him.
The more I read him the more I understand to what extent he truly was outside of any possible culture, identifying himself firstly as a primitive man and secondly as a man of culture.

>tfw Nietzsche never wrote a book about cavemen

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>>24372
By overcoming literally everything, the morals of his time, the epistemology of his time, the psychology, the socio- and politology, fucking everything.

He was with 60 what the Übermensch would be with 20. Wich is greater than anything anyone of us will ever achieve.

>>24448
>then guess what he did?
went nuts, his power level was getting extreamly high, now we wait for the biological overman to keep winning

>>24394
Whoever the Übermensch is, he will probably reject Nietzsche. It's a shame for a student to not kill his teacher.

>>24573
How can one man be so based?

>>24573
>literal hero worship
>dude he wuz the best evar
Nietzsche would have been disgusted by you. Nietzsche is something that ought to be surpassed. You really don't have any major disagreements with him?

>>24722
Not him, but I think that you can worship him for aesthetic reasons: Nietzsche is obviously something bigger than life, his existence itself make automatically this world more interesting, just like other great polarizing historic figures like Gengis Khan and Gauss (you can like the idea of Gengis Khan way more than Gengis Khan himself, and in fact you should).

I truly love the fact that a guy like Nietzsche actually existed, and that he actually lived these experiences, thought these thoughts and wrote them this way. I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

I've never read a word of him, what's your favorite quote? (I hope he's not anti-Christian)

he's dynamite

>>24854
he's a *destiny

>>24722
>Nietzsche would have been disgusted by you.
And he should rightly have been. My only virtue is that I am still capable of despising myself.

>>24722
>Nietzsche would have been disgusted by you
that's Nietzsche's problem not anon's problem

>>24722
Surprisingly Nietzsche genuinely liked all of his more devote fans, you can see it in his letters.

Ok I read him, he's a fool. Reminds me of the guy who argued hard against Socrates... He's the antithesis to every religion in the world.

>>24722
>Nietzsche is something that ought to be surpassed
Correct, but the idea of the man, like >>24796 said, is something to admire, for sure.

>You really don't have any major disagreements with him?
As a raised catholic I really can´t bring myself to hate the church. Christianity serves its purpose and all the rituals in it do, too. Also, while he admitted he had resentments towards people, he could have pronounced the fact that these resentments are only opinions born from hate stronger.

>>24722
>You really don't have any major disagreements with him?
He should have been a national socialist

>>24372
He read Stirner. It's the natural conclusion to reading Stirner.

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Nietzsche will live forever.

>"The spiritual haughtiness and nausea of every man who has suffered profoundly – it almost determines the order of rank how profoundly human beings can suffer – his shuddering certainty, which permeates and colors him through and through, that by virtue of his suffering he knows more than the cleverest and wisest could possibly know, and that he knows his way and has once been ‘at home’ in many distant, terrifying worlds of which ‘you know nothing’ – this spiritual and silent haughtiness of the sufferer, this pride of the elect of knowledge, of the ‘initiated,’ of the almost sacrificed, finds all kinds of disguises necessary to protect itself against contact with obtrusive and pitying hands and altogether against everything that is not its equal in suffering. Profound suffering makes noble; it separates."

>"Man may bleed to death through the truth that he recognizes"

>“Man, as the animal that is most courageous, most accustomed to suffering, does not negate suffering as such: he wants it, even seeks it out, provided one shows him some meaning in it, some wherefore of suffering.”

>''My brother, do you know the word "contempt" yet? And the agony of your justice—being just to those who despise you? You force many to relearn about you; they charge it bitterly against you. You came close to them and yet passed by; that they will never forgive. You pass over and beyond them: but the higher you ascend, the smaller you appear to the eye of envy. But most of all they hate those who fly.''

>“And life confided the secret to me: behold, it said, I am that which must always overcome itself.”

>“To have and to want to have more – growth, in one word – that is life itself.”

>“That something is a hundred times more important than the question of whether we feel well or not: basic instinct of all strong natures…In sum, that we have a goal for which one does not hesitate…to risk every danger, to take upon oneself whatever is bad and worst: the great passion.”

>''Injustice and filth they throw after the lonely one: but, my brother, if you would be a star, you must not shine less for them''

My love for Nietzsche, as a historian, stems from his views on philosophy of history and the relationship between his views on nihilism and history. And that moustache makes me manparts tingle.

Stop worshiping him like sheep...
>‘Only those who suffer are good, only the poor, the
powerless, the lowly are good; the suffering, the deprived, the sick, the ugly,
are the only pious people, the only ones saved, salvation is for them alone,
whereas you rich, the noble and powerful, you are eternally wicked, cruel,
lustful, insatiate, godless, you will also be eternally wretched, cursed and
damned!’

"Powerful" people aren't much, he makes them sound better than it really is to have "power". I would consider it more "noble" to be powerful in a worldly way and still deny yourself the luxuries.

Don't fall for this anon, there's no "power" in conquering or being rich or handsome or whatever. It's childish.

>>25273
>I have found strength where one does not look for it: in simple, mild, and pleasant people, without the least desire to rule—and, conversely, the desire to rule has often appeared to me a sign of inward weakness: they fear their own slave soul and shroud it in a royal cloak (in the end, they still become the slaves of their followers, their fame, etc.) The powerful natures dominate, it is a necessity, they need not lift one finger. Even if, during their lifetime, they bury themselves in a garden house!
stop doing shallow 10 minute readings

>>24408

Walter Kaufmann was by far the best translator of his that I've read. There are some more recent, but I can't judge them. He died in 1980, so there's been plenty since.

His biography of N. is quite illuminating.

>>25273
Have you ever actually read any of his works? Because if you did, you certainly didn't understand it.

>>25309
Ok, I read quotes of him a long time ago and found his book in PDF, skipped to a RANDOM page and got that quote.... I guessed it was the same idea all the way through.

>>25273
Stop posting.

>>25344
sorry, I change my mind, stop doing any readings of anything at all, it would be ideal if you make yourself entirely illiterate again

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In the three or four civilized European countries, one can in a few centuries educate women to be anything one wants, even men--not in the sexual sense, of course, but certainly in every other sense. At some point, under such an influence, they will have taken on all male virtues and strengths, and of course they will also have to take male weaknesses and vices into the bargain. This much, as I said, one can bring about by force. But how will we endure the intermediate stage it brings with it, which itself can last a few centuries, during which female follies and injustices, their ancient birthright, still claim predominance over everything they will have learned or achieved? This will be the time when anger will constitute the real male emotion, anger over the fact that all the arts and sciences will be overrun and clogged up by shocking dilettantism; bewildering chatter will talk philosophy to death; politics will be more fantastic and partisan than ever; society will be in complete dissolution because women, the preservers of the old custom, will have become ludicrous in their own eyes, and will be intent on standing outside custom in every way. For if women had their greatest power in custom, where will they not have to reach to achieve a similar abundance of power again, after they have given up custom?

>>25248

N. has a line in one of his later works (it might even have been in Ecce Homo) about the benefits of having an intimidating moustache. It's been too many years for me to remember exactly where.

>>25387
I'd rather be than get brainwashed

>>25273
Do you think that when he talked about aristocracy he was talking about petty talentless noblemen enjoying their inherited power?

When he talks about great men he's not talking about powerful men in general, but that does not mean that a great man can be a powerful one. His idea of aristocracy is the ones of Greek Society, based on virtue, vision and character.
It is easier to think about the ubermensch as a great artist rather than a conqueror. It's still a generalization of the concept, but a correct one (that hopefully you will later on able to trascend after getting more accostumed with Nietzsche's writings).

>>25396
Somehow I'm not even surprised.

>>25395
Reminder that Nietzsche didn't hate women, but the institutionalized persona associated to the gender by culture and tradition.
Also reminder that Nietzsche can't be a feminist, since he thinks that women should follow blindly some of their istincts, resulting in him wanting every woman to become a mother.

>>25328
Thank you, anon. I'll take your word for it.

>>25430
>His idea of aristocracy is the ones of Greek Society, based on virtue, vision and character.
This, post the Zarathustra passage when he talks about aristocracy, iirc he said something in the lines of "aristocracy must be defined by their goals, not their past"

>>25396
I think the quote talked about the moustache acting as a mask for his character (compare to someone walking around in pink hair and with problem glasses, you'd assume their character instantly as well despite knowing nothing of the person), right?

>>25396
from middle phase actually: Dawn #381

>Knowing one's “Individuality”.—We too often forget that in the eyes of strangers who see us for the first time we are quite different beings from what we consider ourselves to be—in most cases we exhibit nothing more than one particular characteristic which catches the eye of the stranger, and determines the impression we make on him. Thus the most peaceful and fair-minded man, if only he has a big moustache, may, as it were, repose in the shade of this moustache; for ordinary eyes will merely see in him the accessory of a big moustache, that is to say, a military, irascible, and occasionally violent character, and will act accordingly.

>>25395
He really tells us why these times are so fucked up without even witnessing...

>>24630
No dum dum, he read the greeks again.

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>>24372
He got a bunch of half literate kids to embrace nihilism rather than reject it. The world as a whole is worse off due to Nietzsche.

>>25567
>nietzsche isn't a nihilist

Love this meme. Especially funny when you accuse others of being illiterate.

>>25567
He has not made us accept nihilism, he just predicted that this is what was coming: humanity was starting to internalize empiricism and scientism, dismissing every mystical aspect of our experience, which is what actually happened.
Look at us: do you believe anymore in things such as ''beauty'' and ''inspiration'' as something that actually exists? No, you don't. You may still give value to them, and hold them dear cause of their consequences, but you don't believe anymore in an actual metaphysical world which gives meaning to everything through some sort of mystical relationship. He was right all along.

The world is not a whole worse due to Nietzsche, since virtually no one is following his advices. People either suffer, or sedate themselves through hedonism or are too stupid to see the horrible truths of human existence, and the one who are exerting their will are not doing anything that Nietzsche would have liked (he obviously was not thinking about bank CEOs, oil overlords and shady tech corporations).

>>25667
He dedicated his whole life to stopping edgy faggots from living a nihilistic life of emptiness, you utter fucking pleb. Read more before ever posting here.

>>25542

That may be what I was recalling. I remember thinking that he *enjoyed* that part of it, but I could have reading something into it. He certainly seemed to enjoy idiots misunderstanding his writing, so I wouldn't be surprised that he enjoyed it in his personal appearance.

>>25789
Yes, he tries to battle nihilism, but that doesn't mean it isn't also in part a nihilist himself.

To just blankly say he isn't is a reductionist view.

>>25667
According to him the entire purpose of history was to function and work towards the future through understanding of the current time. This was so that man could avoid the nihilistic escapism that comes from burying oneself into the past. He was very much against nihilism.

>>25913
(I take it back, reading him could've helped me stop being nihilistic much quicker...)

>>25913
Not him, but even according to Nietzsche's these conclusions are reached while keeping nihilims in the background: there is no metaphysical foundation under those arguments, he truly believes that nothing has inherent value or meaning.
The values he puts at the foundation of everyone of his arguments are usually arbitrary (although he always states the reasons behind them, showing that this is just one, deep, personal interpretation of reality).

Nietzsche is ALSO a nihilist.

>>26035
nihilism is a physiological state, not a matter of conscious technicalities

>>26090
Nihilism is a matter of philosophical foundation, the physiological and psychological state is what comes after the realization.

>>26103
it's fine if it's your personal view but that is contrary to nietzches philosophy

>>26103
>>26090
>>26158
t. Plebeian men arguing semantics
Nietzsche vehemently opposed nihilism. It is that simple.

>>26169
but I am arguing that nietzsche wasn't a nihilist???????????

>>26169
To oppose nihilism you have to propose something else. Nietzsche never believed in metaphysics, and even when he reaches his conclusion metaphysics still do not exist in his mindset. The point in Nietzsche is that nothing has meaning or value, but this should not stop you from giving arbitrary value to your desires and goals (another major point is that many people can't do it because they're too entrenched in a set of morality that suppress those human aspects taht are required to attain your desires in a creative manner, which he identifies with the macro-idea called ''ressentiment'').

>>26185
You're still arguing semantics pointlessly instead of discussing his work, and now I am too. Get it yet?

>>26035
>Nietzsche is ALSO a nihilist

Not according to N. He called nihilism the largest hazard facing someone (like him) who rejects all conventions and starts afresh with creating new values. It would accurate enough to call him a rejectionist, but N. wouldn't much like needing to use a label.

Which leads back to OP:
>>24372
>How did he do it?

Nietzsche about as completely rejected whatever had been handed down to him ("tradition", etymologically) and started, as it were, afresh. To use a pop version, he was a fish who strove to see the water he swam in, and he did so rather successfully. The man was incredibly intelligent and fiercely stubborn to figure out what he did.

To my mind, the best illustration of this is "Human, All Too Human". It's not so late in his writing that you can't still catch sight of how he started out, with lots of observations that feel like stand-up comedy. A lot of that book seems fairly common now, but some still shocks. The thing to know is that when he wrote it, it *all* shocked. That's how influential N. was.

>>26246
how is arguing what nihilism is arguing semantics

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>>24372
My Little /pol/ny reporting in

I like Nietzsche

>>26251
>He called nihilism the largest hazard facing someone (like him) who rejects all conventions and starts afresh with creating new values.

Even in this choice no metaphysical aspect is implied, which means that Nietzsche was still a nihilist. More than a metaphysicist he was an aesthetician: he doesn't really believe in ''morality'' but he can see the benefits of it.
In the same way he rejects most metaphysical traditions, but not every single one of them, and shift this judgement from a rational/logical point of view to a dyonisian one.

Even in his deepest, most human moments Nietzsche still does not believe that there is something called ''ethics'' that lives outside of us.

>>26234
>The point in Nietzsche
Right, Joe "Dumb fuck" Bloggs has it all figured out. Regurgitating, as per.
>To oppose nihilism you have to propose something else.
Nietzsche spent is whole life doing just this, friend.

>>26251
in last years he wrote that if nihilism cant be prevented, it should at least be get over with quickly... various aphorisms about dancing on the edge of vulcano, pushing that which is falling etc are related to this view. the "hammer" of eternal return was supposed to amplify nihilism in weak persons and select übermensch material.
so while his overall project was dedicated to analysis and prevention of nihilism, he didnt reject it totally and would use its momentum like in Judo.

lol imagine if everyone in the world except for (you) was Nietzsche tier Ubermensch or greater XD

>>26326
He did, but he never pretended to have metaphysical foundations for this proposal. This wasn't meant as a dismissal, but just as a confermation of his nihilism.

What changes is that his nihilism does not get the same results that most pessimists got, but his still nihilism.
Don't let labels scare you that much.

>>26352
What he wanted was something similar to Ancient Greek virtue ethics without religious arguments: the ability of choosing the good without the need of some foundation, since this does not obviously exist. It's a call for trust for the human insight.

In his last years he wrote that ''there is no fact, only interpretations'', but this did not stop him from making any sort of statement, and this was the most poignant point of his philosophy (to which he then attached all the arguments for such a philosophical foundation, all of its implications and all the considerations that derived from it.

Nihilism is not an insult when it comes to Nietzsche.

>>26323

I'm thinking you've got a Humpty-Dumpty definition of nihilism that can't be discussed.

Whatever.

>>26415
What's wrong with my definition of nihilism? It's the belief in the non-existence of inherent meaning and value.
Even when Nietzsche makes a statement he still does not think that this statement is justified by metaphysics, nor does he think that there is any sort of metaphysical foundation to his arguments.

>>25395
Very true, women trying to become men is a very real cancer in modern society.

We need good women who act like women.

>>24838
>I hope he's not anti-christian

Quality keks

>>26402
>Nihilism is not an insult when it comes to Nietzsche
>What he wanted
Confirmed for not understanding Nietzsche

>>26471
>What's wrong with my definition of nihilism? It's the belief in the non-existence of inherent meaning and value.

Nihilism is the belief that because there's no inherent meaning, that no meaning can be created. Fritz called nihilism a kind of despair.

>>24838

My second favorite quote:
>There was only one true Christian, and he died on the cross.

>>25040
>Comparing Nietzsche with Thrasymachus
wew lad

>>25667
He's agreeing with you moron.

Okay, can anyone give me a quick rundown on why this guy is so respected? What did he say in his most important works that is worthy of so much praise? I only know the basics of the Ubermensch theory and that doesn't sound too impressive.

>>24372
how many push ups he did a day?

>>26806
>Can someone quickly help me not be a fucking retard
The answer is no

>>26806
He once said "God is dead" in his book and all the edgy teenage fedora rebellious neckbeards started gravitating towards him.

>>25685
thats why you need to take psychedelics at least once. metaphysics is serious business, but exactly like he says it is thought of as ludicrous and silly.

>>25040
> fucking christians still exist in 2017

shit is hilarioius

>>25273
i really want you to fuck off you stupid christian prick. You have no intelligence at all and dont belong here

>>26544
>that no meaning can be created.

Nietzsche still does not believe that there is anything metaphysical in the creation of values: he doesn't think, for example, that is idea of will to power literally exists. He knows that it does not exist, but its contemplation is justified by the predicted result of such an idea. His statements are more often than not completely materialist: the first part of The Gay Science (which he never rejected, but instead depicted as his most honest and pessimistic work) deals exactly with these topics, and even as late as 1887 he did not think that any fact or idea existed, confirming that he was still a materialist at heart who valued infinitely the aesthetic experience in itself, without the need of any other metaphysical or religious justification to it.

>>25040
You read nietzche in 10 minutes?

>>26941
There is nothing wrong with that, neckbeard.
You're too dumb to understand Christianity.
>Le current year
All you can say?

>>25395
holy fucking shit
> being this much of a prophet

>>26806
You've got to read the man for yourself. His views are too nuanced and varied to be reduced to a simple synopsis. It's the people who piece together bits of Nietzsche's work, hearing about the Ubermensch or the eternal recurrence, who misunderstand his work the most. To paraphrase the man himself, the text disappears beneath interpretation.

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You have to move past Nietzsche, Goonan is the next step in our evolution.

>>27011
Please give me a brief outline of your Christian beliefs without leaving out key points and we shall examine them together. I will approach with an open mind

>>27082
I'm not religious but I have respect for Christianity nonetheless, and not in a, "we have to accept all faiths and be nice to everyone" kind of way either.
I'd rather be neighbours with the average Christian (and not just those who say they're one for the sake of it) than the average atheist. Mostly fat, lazy, underachievers with entitlement issues and zero character. No grit. Spineless "men" who play children's games and watch children's television shows. They don't understand religion enough to criticise it, yet they do so because it's considered "cool" to do so.
Already, you're displaying signs that lead me to believe you fit this bill. The tone of your posts and your word selection, I can almost feel your entitlement and false belief of superiority. Embarrassing.

>>27066
>t.sean goonan for the 500th time

i might get it, sean. you are persistent, i like that.

>>24722

On ethics mostly.

John Stuart Mill FTW.

>>28278
Does it hurt being such a pleb?