How did warriors and other strong people train before the current

>>42867441

Wrestling labor and gymnastics. They also didnt sugar everything up and ate healthy since there wasnt no fucking twinkies or anything.

>>42867441

>did they lift stones or something

They wrestled, swung swords, carried equipment and marched. They probably played games too like throwing stones or versions of a national sport like the caber toss

>What did they eat to get swole

Bread. bread. and more bread. Also whatever fish/game you could hunt along the way during a campaign. Also berries n shit of course

Ancient Greeks practised progressive overload and ate a lot of protein from fish, also, remember the men in their prime were the only ones eating that way, not the women, young children, or elderly.

I suggest you go to chaosandpain and start using the search function.

I saw a traditional gym workout in Bojnurd, Iran. Dudes have big weights with handles they swing around over their heads which builds the muscles needed to swing a sword, and they all do it in unison as somebody plays the drums. They have other exercises as well and do wrestling. Pretty badass.

>>42867492
This. Jamie Lewis has written dozens of articles on this topic.

The fact that their water sources weren't contaminated with plastic fibres and estrogen should've been beneficial to their test.

>>42867441
They didn't, for example the skeletons of knights in the middle ages were pretty small. They were essentially aristocracy prancing around on horses with expensive armour. The taller, larger boned (due to vastly more muscle mass) were blacksmiths and other labourers

>>42867441
>Did they lift stones or something?
stones, logs, swords, animals they hunted >What did they eat to get swole?
assuming we are talking about European warriors; bread, berries, meat/fish, eggs, dairy.

they were all 5'3 swole manlets

>>42867512
kek

>>42867509
gains increase your bone size........manlets wish

>>42867441
>swole

I assume they weren't swole considering the lack of resources. Most people were very short due to poor nutrition, chances are the only people that grew to a modern average size were those genetically gifted. Diets of course varied greatly from region to region, culture to culture. For example, beer was a central part of the Egyptian diet but their beer was more of a thick porridge or oatmeal. It was supposed to be very nutritious so I imagine the pyramids were built on the power of squats, oats and manlets

>>42868807
They increase your bone density you tard.

Swords were heavy as fuck. Try swinging a weight around all day every day

I'd imagine most of their time would be spent on skill work and conditioning

>>42867441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-bnM5SuQkI
Watch this
It was something like crossfit

>>42868926
>Swords were heavy as fuck

For children.

http://www.thearma.org/essays/weights.htm#.WbvKt7KGOUk

>the average weight of any one of normal size is between 2.5 lb. and 3.5 lbs. Even the big hand-and-a-half 'war' swords rarely weigh more than 4.5 lbs.

>>42867494
>witnesses Irani troops prepare for upcoming world war
>duuude cool lets watch

>>42868926
Retard, i bet you also think a katana is the most advanced and best sword out there (it isnt its crap)

>>42869013
Good guy anon
Although they used training swords which have about double the weight to get quicker when useing the actual one

>>42867512
not entirely wrong

>>42868909
best post of the week

>>42869070
Fuck me sideways if I remembered the name but one Greek lad lifted a newborn calf every day, once it had reached adult weight (progressive overload) he ate it (protons!) and took a new one (deload). Now where to get cheap livestock these days tho.

>>42869629
>>42869070
meant to quote OP sorry

>>42868807
They literally get wider; they don't get longer, you melt.

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>>42868999
Came here to post this.

Tfw bodyweight stuff in a fully-body weight vest.

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>>42869629
http://www.equinenow.com

Horses have broteins too.

>>42870687
KEK

I hate the taste sadly (and cattle is generally heavier, thus better for the task at hand anyway), but thanks for the hearty chortle m8

>>42870722
You can't ride steers to the gym, though.

>>42870748

You can ride a steer to the gym but you can't make it lift

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You guys ever look into BotN/HMB full armor combat shit?

I've finally got a fair amount of expendable income and nogf, and there's something that seems deeply appealing about loading up 30kg worth of metal and wrestling another guy.

I just don't want to get a concussion and a fractured vertebrae from a 45 year old Polack with a non-regulation poleaxe.

>>42870748
Not with that attitude.

>>42870765
But cop discount tren in its name https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Component-T-H-Implant-Box-For-Cattle-Beef-Heifers-5-Packs-Trenbolone-/281931744800?epid=0&hash=item41a4710620%3Ag%3AAkcAAOSw7FRWUJyV&_trkparms=pageci%253Ace8e5248-9a34-11e7-9c74-74dbd1804dac%257Cparentrq%253A866b302215e0a860d1a7eb82ffe31209%257Ciid%253A1

>>42867441
Greeks did squats, leg raises and shoulder raises with progressive overload

>>42870935
Ex of mine did it, fun stuff but those fights are full contact indeed, not a single fight in his 10 year career was over without someone hurting himself, not from rulebending slavs (although that too) but they just go so hard at it that shit happens.

>>42870970
How dangerous would you say it is compared to other contact sports, martial or not?

I mean there's always HEMA, but I did fencing when I was a teenager and it felt real feminine near the end, and HEMA seems to follow the same trends.

>>42867441
Most people werent particularly jacked and were manlets due to poor nutrition.
We can look at ancient greeks tho and conclude that:
>How did warriors and other strong people train before the current knowledge of nutrition and training?
Well, guess what, they would practice wrestling, climbing, swimming, running, carrying and lifting heavy shit, crafting, etc.
>Did they lift stones or something?
Yeah. Lifting and carrying stones was used in various cultures as a strength test. Ancient scots and icelanders did that.
> What did they eat to get swole?
Pretty much same shit we do now. Meat, fish, dairy, eggs, bread. Because there werent really much unhealthy junk foods, people had good eating habits and thus they wouldnt really get fat. Plus they would do fasting to shed weight off.
>>42867508
Estrogen doesnt actually affect your gains at all. The only thing that would actually make you less muscular that you could take would be some kind of androgen blocker. You can look at people who do roids that get aromatised into estradiol, their perfomance doesnt suffer, but they get gyno. You can actually look at people who have really low estrogen for whatever reason, they dont really get crazy ripped, they just get really fucking tall and develop early osteoporosis.

>>42870957
>Ancient Greeks did squats with progressive overload
How?

>>42867441
wrestling and labour

>>42870935
>>42870970

has anyone ever died from it?

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>>42867441
Some exercises like body weight squats, push ups, and even muscle ups are ancient. These are foundational movements of gymnastics. Some form of what we'd call gymnastics or tumbling are have been practiced worldwide since before writing.

Stone throwing and lifting is an ancient practice. We see it in Egypt, Greece, China, Japan, and elsewhere in places like Europe and India.

Heavy club/mace (or other weapon) lifting is also a training method seen in many places throughout the ancient world.

Various forms of wrestling, pugilism, and armor mock-combat were popular as well.

>>42870989
Not too comparable, the armor protects you from direct impact fractures and shit but also weighs you down in case you fall or tweak something nasty. Most injuries were concussions, dislocated limbs and once a guy got a blade in between helmet and faulty shoulder pad and boiiii

HEMA is some neat shit too but I have no actual experience in the matter.


>>42871272
there were a couple (not when my ex did it of course), but afaik one had a preexisting condition and the others were due to faulty or rulebreaking equipment, so technically, not directly from the sport as it is meant to be

>>42867441
fuckin manual labor all goddam day.

Why do you think the roman army litterally built a new camp with a trench around it every night?

also, nomatter what anyone tells you, there is no strength like construction worker strength

>>42867441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhQlNwxn5oo
still practised to this day. I think the history behind it makes it even more awesome

There's a big difference between warriors/soldiers and athletes, both in training and diet.
Soldiers did drills, weapons training and endurance marches, while athletes would train for their sport and general conditioning with calisthenics and weights. A soldier's diet was mostly grain based, while an athlete's was more animal based. There are exceptions, of course, as a knight's or a noble's diet and training was far better than the average man at arms.
I guess it's not so different from the situation today. Even if they didn't have our modern nutrition and training science, they did have a lot of time to experiment and see what works over the generations. So you would definitely get various traditions maintaining things that worked.

>>42872365
>also, nomatter what anyone tells you, there is no strength like construction worker strength
Where are all those strength record-breaking construction workers?

>visit grandparents that live in a village
>eastern europe
>significantly less car pollution
>people have big gardens and own land
>they have chicken, cows, sheep, goats, any useful animal
>fresh 100% natural eggs
>fresh meat when needed
>fresh all natural fruits and vegetables
>fresh milk, cheese, cream...
>do physical work almost everyday due to owning a farm

anon i've seen dudes train with bricks and got leaner, stronger, healthier than any city boy who buys his food from a grocery store, and they didn't even eat 1kg or whatever per bodyweight, just good quality food.

people in those times were not gluten and lactose free beta males. they had good quality food which wasn't injected with ever drug possible

>>42872516
Working

>>42867441
warrior castes had better food, healthcare, training, they didn't do much manual labor decreasing possible injuries or chronic illness. Repeat this many generations and you have people with better bodies and genetics to fight. The only problem with being of the warrior caste is that there is a high probability to die young.

I prefer to be farmer master race, you are strong, close to nature, good food, girls with big tits and die very old. FUCK WARRIORS, FARMER MASTER RACE.

>>42872516
Its not lift the biggest thing possible kind of strength, its the total moved over the course of 8 hours.

>>42867441
the name dumbbell comes from the original strength training weights being bells (like the ones used in a bell tower) wrapped in cloth so they wouldn't make noise, i.e. the bells were "dumb" (silent)

>>42867441
>Did they lift stones or something?
no you retard.
lots of combat practice with heavy melee weapons and armor. lots of marching too.

>What did they eat to get swole?
they werent swole.
war doesnt require tons of muscle strength. as long as you can effectively wield your weapons and armor, you're good, and those weapons are lighter than even an empty barbell.
war does require a lot of endurance, which they got from tons of combat excercise and marching around.

as to what did they eat - depends on the time and the location. mainly large amounts of carbs - grains, beets, potatoes, that kind of thing. vegetables too. fish if available. cheap meat, but nowhere near the amount that we eat today.

>>42867441
People like you are retarded.
>how did ancients get big and strong if they didn't have peer reviewed studies telling them what to do??
Most ancients that observed nature and human behavior were able to parse out what we know now, just without the scientific confirmation. For fucks sake, the concept of progressive overload has been around since the ancient Greeks (Milo of Croton), and probably before. The folly of modern man lies in how much weight we give to expertise, and how little we give to our own minds. We assume, with incredible hubris, that past generations were essentially idiots, based on the premise that just because they didn't have science as we know it today, they were therefore uninformed and illogical. This is manifestly ridiculous and untrue, they even came to many of the same conclusions we are arriving at today through observation and reason. You don't need a doctor to tell you how to lose weight, you don't need peer reviewed studies to tell you how to get stronger, you don't need a nutritionist to tell you what to eat. Listen to your body, observe what works, and fucking do it.

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Google says that the average height of the average European man during the early middle ages was around 173.4 centimeters, which isn't that distant from modern male averages (especially in the US). This average fell to 167 centimeters in the later Middle Ages. Most warriors in history were ordinary men -oftentimes conscripts- who lived a hard, fighting lifestyle. Weapons and emergent technologies were what leveled the playing field in many respects.

>>42874823
>173.4 centimeters
At least I made the knight cutoff.

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>>42874823
>>42874962
Everyone thinks that knights were fucking giants; more often than not, they resembled skinnyfat manlets trained to fight from puberty. Reminds me of modern special forces groups.

>>42867478
Some ancient greeks ate cooked blood cakes for strength

>>42867509
However, to counter this point, often noble knights would do a fuck ton of training to compensate, and would have the best skills with a sword or mace, because they'd used it the most.
To add to that, they would have armour, which was OP as fuck, as well as a horse, which added to the OP as fuck nature of mounted knights.
Add to that the fact that they would have a contingent of fellows to support them and cover them from blindsides
PLUS
a horde of their own loyal peasant soldiers
being noble actually btfo'd being a blacksmith who has the power of banging on an anvil all day so he's 1% more strong on one side

>>42875340
>>42874823
>knights were basically average

not if they were good knights

>>42867441
Reminder that any person from ancient civilization would be in no way impressive by today's standard

They were all like 5'5 and 130lb

>>42872516

Fuck you even Master Roshi trained Goku and Krillin with construction work.

>>42875582
Plowing fields and delivering mail isn't construction work.

>>42875554
You realize that knighthood was an inherited station, right? With superior training and military hardware, you don't have to be fuckheuge to win battles.

>>42875484
>cooked blood cakes

WHAT THE FUCK NOBODY HAS COMMENTED ON THIS SHIT. BLOOD CAKES HOLY SHIT

>>42875554
>all knights were The Mountain from Game of Thrones

>>42875608
>you don't have to be fuckheuge to win battles
True, but what about knightly tournaments? Besides jousting, the melees usually wound up as straight up wrestling in armor. Surely the biggest and strongest would have an advantage there.

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>>42867441
It doesnt take a genius to realize when you see a man that does physical work everyday that the physical work that requires nutrient energy source and rest equals healthy strong body.

Humans have always had the ability to deduce things.


When there was no fast ways of communication people spoke to each other, changed opinions and their viewpoints of life face to face. Doesnt mean there wasnt knowledge on how you get strong, the information just was more rare and hard to find. Also i dont think people had time to study other people's lifestyles just to inform others about it, there was no merit.

>>42875623
Its bretty common
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_as_food

>>42872700
my farmer co-worker is big as fuck, i once asked him what gym he goes to and he just replied "i just plow hay all day"

>>42875635
>the melees usually wound up as straight up wrestling in armor.
Sure, but that didn't prevent average-sized knights from competing. Depending on experience and the weapons used, smaller armored dudes could contend (or at least challenge) larger knights. Size is definitely an advantage in armored combat but not the be-all end-all.

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>>42867441
>All these pseudo-historian retards.

Humans haven't fully understood the practice of progressive overload or putting on lean body mass since the later half of the 20th century. If you look at guys like Rocky Marciano or Jack Dempsey, they weren't jacked, they were just guys who were athletic and also naturally carried a lot of mass on them (including fat).

The vast majority of humans (farmers) have historically never had the macro-nutrients necessary to put on more than a modicum of mass. They probably looked more like the Mexican field hands of today than anything else, albeit skinnier.

The same can be said for the nobility and soldiery, who had a better diet but believed bulk would slow you down. The vast majority of manuscript illustrations show fencers who are skinny but athletic. Unless a swordsman is strapped down with a lot of armor, strength isn't going to do a lot for him, as it doesn't take a ton of strength to stab or cut someone.

Historical incidents tend to also point towards knights not being that strong. At the battle of Agincourt for example, by the time the armored french had ran the 300 yards to the English lines, many of them were too tired to fight or move at all, and either suffocated face-first in the mud or were beaten to death by unarmored longbowmen with mallets.

>>42875811
The amount of wrong in this post makes my head hurt.

>>42875623
What do you think black pudding is? I eat that stuff at least once a week, shit is tasty as fuck.

>>42875811
Agincourt was an absolute fucking fluke battle where French knights got bogged down in a a fucking muck swamp. Shitty example, even pro athletes today would tire in full plate running through deep muck for 300 yards

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Soldiers were soldiers, they trained to win battles/wars and it would seem anecdotally that the most important things would be
>Speed and skill to get a kill/disable in melee or with a bow to hit targets
>Endurance to keep fighting and march for days
>Discipline to not rout in battle and being drilled for formations (shield wall/pike formations etc)
So basically training hours a day, especially in full armour and holding weapons, would build all that. It's probably a pretty obvious deduction that bigger guys won fights more often, but most soldiers wouldn't be huge because endless training and rations etc. Knights probably could have been because massive feasts and carrying tavern wenches.

Also knights:
>in your knightly practices:
>throwing aпd pushing stones,
>dancing aпd jumping,
>fencing aпd wrestling,
>>42868999 as noted is a good example in writing. And there's some accounts of knights doing more calisthenics style things in armour.
Greeks: did Calisthenics/gymnastics; though that could be more related to wanting aesthetics and better man-love.
Roman Legionnaires: average weight was something like 65kg. Drilling with a heavy shield all day, +40kg for 15 mile hikes, drills. During non-campaign times they would just be a construction crew and build roads non-stop. They enjoyed war-time as a "rest".
English (in 15th-16th? century): professional archers would training every day, that's pulling for hours up to and above 100lb bow in some cases and they had greatly increased bony ridges (tendon attachment points) around arm/shoulder, supposedly some deformed skeletons from doing it too much and only on one side so maybe they didn't know to do rows on the other arm for balance.

So yes they trained strength secondarily by manner of doing what they wanted to be better at and ate because they'd be hungry.

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>>42875635
>Surely the biggest and strongest would have an advantage there.
Never said they wouldn't, but armed fighting skill tends to supersede size alone (unless the disparity is overwhelmingly in favor of the bigcunt). There where also events that pitted teams of knights against each other; in these contests superior strategy would prevail.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QOnYsnmSRzc

>>42875878
>Fluke
>Happened twice before at Crécy and Poitiers.

I'd suggest you all to read "De Re Militari" by Vegetius. It was basically the only military manual during the medieval times. Here's a quote:

"The young soldier, therefore, ought to have a lively eye, should carry his head erect, his chest should be broad, his shoulders muscular and brawny, his fingers long, his arms strong, his waist small, his shape easy, his legs and feet rather nervous than fleshy. When all these marks are found in a recruit, a little height may be dispensed with, since it is of much more importance that a soldier should be strong than tall."

The exercises Vegetius recommends consist of running, jumping, vaulting, javelin throwing, drilling, marching, swimming, and for some troops archery and slinging. Not really stuff that's going to pack on the mass.

The whole thing is a pretty interesting read:

http://www.digitalattic.org/home/war/vegetius/

>>42876096
Ahh I see we've got babbys first history book.

Anyway, using Agincourt as a good example of knights "not being that strong" is fucking retarded. In the grand scheme of things being bogged down in any sort of armor will fuck you royally in battle no matter if it was a peasant boy or a modern day NFL player. Its just a stupid example which is a fluke for the time period.

>>42873832
That would make sense if it wasn't complete horse shit

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>>42876240
A full set of armor at the time of Agincourt weighted at most 30 KG, which is about as much as a modern soldier carries today. The fact that French knights were consistently exhausted after marching (not running) about 300 yards shows that Medieval knights were not nearly as strong or conditioned as modern soldiers. This happened not only at Agincourt but also Crécy and Poitiers.

The armor worn by the nobility at Agincourt was not yet the true "fullplate" seen later in the century. It was somewhat lighter and more maneuverable. Yet even then it was too heavy and cumbersome for the knights to effectively fight in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7CUfkGLB48

You seem to be out of your depth.

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>>42872770

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How tall would knights be if they persisted to the present day? I figured 5'9 and up would be most likely.

>>42868807
nigger it gets larger as in width. why are lanklets such stupid little faggots

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>>42869629
That's Milo of Croton you are talking about anon. He was a 5 time champion wrestler and would consume meat by the kilos.

His death was actually pretty badass. He attempted to split an oak with his barehands, but he got stuck and was eaten by a pack of wolves

Do you think people back then were mentally healthier and happier because their work and suffering gave them true purpose in life

>>42876898
Get a job.

>>42876917
Do you think they were happier because they didn't have alarm clocks and insomnia was basically non-existent

>>42876741
Right, thats the guy, thanks. First lifting motivation right there back in HS history class kek

>>42875484
blood cake? no wonder their empire fell

>>42876944
they were absolutely happier living to 40, having their teeth rot out of their mouths, subsisting on a diet of bread and beer, working 12 hours a day, hard physical labor, and getting tortured by their owner. Life was objectively better.

>>42875623
Uh wtf
We eat that shit at school
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blodpl%C3%A4ttar
Blood has tons of iron and your mussels love it

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>>42867494
>big weights with handles they swing around over their heads

>>42876576
yeah because knights are a completely different race. What kinda idiot are you?

>>42868926
Some of the heaviest swords were the two-handed Scottish claymores, which weighed 10lbs each. Most swords weren't nearly that heavy.

>>42878736
Also I'd like to add that we have this thing too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykyrokka
And it tastes fucking awesome. Fatty meats, liver, blood and potatoes. Real /fit/ food.

>>42874649
you remind me of a certain guy on /lit/, oh the memories

...but that one doesnt lift so disregard me pls, kek

>>42878782
can confirm. not finfag but very fond of anything offal related, ate this a couple times when I stayed there.

>mfw bulking on 4k kcal worth of haggis back in the UK
those were the days

>>42875811
4/10 for effort

>>42868926
Anon, even a large broadsword weighed only 2kg.

>>42867494
Indian clubs, Persian meels, those weird little axe things, and the gada mace. That shit will blow your back, chest, and shoulders up, son.

>>42878747
Kys. It's Indian meel.

>>42867512
Accurate

>>42876063
>that sallet

Fucking DISGUSTING!

Consistency is more important than routine.

>>42876411
>You seem to be out of your depth.
>claims armour was heavy yet neglets to mention weight dispersion
>Claims armoured knights got gassed after 300 yards but forgets to mention it was through fucking boggy terrain, mud, and under a hail of arrows, and fighting all day
>States armoured combat is sub-optimal but seems to neglect to mention the numerous manuals that specifically talk about how it's better to have armour than not

It is you who is out of their depth pleb.

>>42880944
*persian

>>42867494
https://youtu.be/UPctn6E0CNY

>>42867441

White Europeans would wear armor while they fucked chickens as practice for battle-rape.

Savage disgusting low IQ people

>>42868909
There were times when people were thriving and multiplying like rabbits, especially from the 11th towards the 13th century.

>>42875864
This is actually really cool. I wish more fights in movies had stuff like this instead of wide, telegraphed swings where people aim at each other's swords instead of each other.

I can't find it right now, but I read an account of one guy who won a bunch of tournaments and was a big deal when it came to fighting and shit.

Someone at the time went to visit him and wrote down what he saw this guy do for training.

The guy would wear his armour and go running circuits, sprints and long distances. he'd practice doing cartwheels in his armour, and other gymnastics. He'd be doing all kinds of body weight lifts in his armour, from pushups and sit-ups to climbing steep faces that would challenge an unencumbered man. He'd also spar and shadow-spar in full kit.

The writer said this guy was basically fit as fuck and wore armour like it was nothing, and that this allowed him to perform a lot better on the field.

>>42876411

I bet this nigger is talking about Agincourt, where french knights charged across a swamp so boggy they couldn't take their horses, and got shot to shot by arrows the whole while.

Armour wasn't the problem here, trying to sprint through a marsh was. Are you a mad Frenchman?

You're seriously trying to say that people didn't figure in armour, against every historian ever? There are people who fight in similar armour today for fun, and these fucks have been seen doing flying kicks on unsuspecting opponents.

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>>42878515

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>>42872770

>>42878760
5'9 kind would be my guess

I would imagine that weapon fighting, like martial arts, is more dependant on technique than raw strength. Practicing sword fighting is probably the best training for fighting with a sword. Cardio too, since exhaustion will ruin you in a fight. Remember unless the particular culture in question had some kind of warrior class, most soldiers were peasants forced to go to war for their Lord/ruler and were more or less meat fodder for the few skilled warriors who would control the battle. Also the most successful fighting forces have been due to group tactics, not individual prowess, like the phalanx or winged hussars

were there any warriors who weren't complete scum that would partake in looting and rape?

fuck me I always end up hearing about warriors/soldiers raping women and other soldiers or ransacking a fucking village.

Absolutely disgusting.

>>42872770
lmao

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>>42886308
>were there any warriors who weren't complete scum that would partake in looting and rape?
Doubtful. They need to get something for their efforts. After months of rough living and risking their lives, it's the least they could get.
The only exceptions would be highly discipline troops, that receive orders to leave the civilians alone. But even those would partake if their commanders allowed them.
Maybe some highly religious warriors? I know that some knightly orders were essentially monks, with restricted diets, vows of poverty and abstinence, stuff like that. So maybe they abstained because of their fear of God. But honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about those as being just as greedy and savage as the rest.

>>42887176
Those look pretty cool.

St. Lazarus was for lepers wasn't it? so they had the closest thing to undead knights that we'll ever get?

>>42887469
not exactly, they were hospitalers who ran a hospital for lepers

>>42876096
>When all these marks are found in a recruit, a little height may be dispensed with, since it is of much more importance that a soldier should be strong than tall."

Lanklets BTFO

>>42887176
>Maybe some highly religious warriors? I know that some knightly orders were essentially monks, with restricted diets, vows of poverty and abstinence, stuff like that. So maybe they abstained because of their fear of God. But honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about those as being just as greedy and savage as the rest.

When the Catholic crusades to retake the Holy Land failed, returning Catholic knights looted the weaked Christian city of Constantinople instead, paving the way for the Ottomons to take it and rename it Istanbul

>>42888291
>>When the Catholic crusades to retake the Holy Land failed, returning Catholic knights looted the weaked Christian city of Constantinople instead,
Lol no. They never even got to the Levant before they sacked Constantinople. The entire army had been excommunicated by the Pope thanks to their shitty doings in the Balkans, and they needed the ships to do their crusading shit. A certain man with a claim to the Byzantine throne told them to take the city so that he could give them the ships

>>42875340
>Reminds me of modern special forces groups.

Exactly. Knights are special forces.
Your army though is starving peasants given a spear and told to follow orders or be killed.

>>42867441
They had gyms back then too. Also martial arts, wrestling and carrying heavy loads. Lots of training was military oriented. Also, people who were farmers just naturally got swole from farm work.

>>42867501
>>42867492
I'm tired of you fucking shills

>>42883361
>I bet this nigger is talking about Agincourt
Yes he is. As mentioned like six times between his post and yours.

>>42867441
The Roman soldiers when not fighting were building and working in armor, they also had marches and drills so that kept them fit and strong.
The knight had tournaments and they trained for tournament and for battle, I watched a video were some guy talked about a knight that ran, climbed a ladder, and coped wood in full plate armor.
When it comes to diet they eat what was available, veggies and fruits during spring, summer and autumn, the only thing that they had all year around was meat, both fresh and preserved, cereals, and during the medieval era the troops started eating more dairy. Also more alcohol was consumed, so they got some calories from this.

>>42867441
They did manual labour shit for brains.

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Pic related is a forensically reconstructed face of a knight who was buried at Stirling castle. Died at some point during the wars between Scotland and England.

He was around 5'7 and had the musculature of a rugby player according to his bones. Essentially, he was of average height and had the natty physique of someone who was very active for short bursts of speed and strength.

Basically,

>>42889391

Knights, just like modern special operations capable forces, are just average joes who have committed themselves to their craft and didn't bitch out. They trained professionally and lived the lifestyle.

This isn't simply the "nobles had it better" meme either. You'd see the same from mercenaries of the Italian city states as well.

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>>42872785
>farmer anon youve been conscripted into you're lord chadesters army.
>heres your dull pike, one size fits all helemt and your house chad tunic.
>you will be in the vanguard
>sorry there wasnt enough time to train you, but dont worry if their warriors in state of the art armor, the best money can buy weapons and armored Clydesdales roll over ill make sure you are remembered for your bravery
>im sure your wife the milk maiden will need some comforting after she has done serving in the warriors hall :^)

>>42891020
>you're
>your

guess how i know u an amerifag

>>42867441
Swinging swords and weapons along with wearing heavy armor gets you big as fuck. Plus, they didn't have shit diets

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>>42891042
Jokes on you im just illiterate

>>42867441
Well despite not knowing WHY exactly it is so, people have known for tens of thousands of years that eating meat will make you big and strong. Which is why the hunters and fighters diets consisted of both carbs and protein (meat, fish) but the betas like gatherers and peasants only got carbs and remained either skinnyfat or skeleton. Rich non fighters also ate too much carbs, not enough protein, and no exercise, so they got fat.

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>>42868909
There were men that grew even far above modern average height. Acting like there were never swole people in history is idiotic, there were men who lived active lifestyles and some even vigorously trained all their lives, while being given high protein high calorie diets.

Here is the sword that belonged to Pier Gerlofs, a German mercenary from hundreds of years ago. Guy was fucking gigantic even by modern standards to be able to wield that in battle.

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Fuck lads, this thread has made me fire up the old Mount and Blade

>>42875623
Dunno about you but "veriletut" is somewhat common food in Finland, its like a spinach crepe except made from blood and not spinach. Tastes decent.

>>42875811
>All these pseudo-historian retards.
>proceeds to be wrong about history really hard
LMAOOOO
Humans have been doing progressive overload for thousands of years, you don't need to understand why it works for it to work. Just do it and it will work.

>>42876096
Jesus you are UNINTELLIGENT. Not all who wore heavy armor were weak nobles, there were tons of strong as fuck mercenaries who could afford armor with their earnings.

>>42891889
>Pier Gerlofs
kek we don't even know if it's actual sword. it only weighs 6 kilos too. read a book, anon.

>>42886308
What a beta fag you are.
Nothing wrong with pillaging and taking captives from foreigner villages. That's the way of man.

>>42887176
>Maybe some highly religious warriors?
You mean like Templars and Crusaders that mostly spent their time exterminating fellow Aryans?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
>Popes templars attack city in France
>From 1209 to 1215, the Crusaders experienced grand success, capturing Cathar lands and perpetrating acts of extreme violence, often against civilians.
>Raphael Lemkin, who in the 20th century coined the word genocide,[102] referred to the Albigensian Crusade as "one of the most conclusive cases of genocide in religious history."

Christcuck soldiers were the worst of the worst.

>>42891960
>kek we don't even know if it's actual sword
Umm yes we do, and we know for a fact it was used by Pier Gerlofs. Clearly you need to read some books nigger, because there are many mentions of Pier in historical texts from different countries, of him swinging his huge sword.
Like nigger there is literally text from Austria that the emperor declares him an enemy of the HRE because he would keep attacking the emperors troops.
>it only weighs 6 kilos too
Irrelevant, it's the length of the sword which guarantees that the guy was tall as fuck. Otherwise it would be dragging on the ground when holstered.

>>42891020
I wonder just how many peasants did the nobles cuck

>>42867441

Life was harder back then, only the rich could afford a day or two off from any type of work. Regular people always worked and slaved away, there were no couches for you to sit on, there was no time to watch tv, there was no books for the common people to read in their downtime

You worked, drank, fucked and you died

>>42892896
The average was that one in ten men was able to father his own child.
You do the math.

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>>42867441
>warriors and other strongmen

Warriors are soldiers and they're the same across history: almost all endurance. It's about repetition than it is about power/strength (although there is some of that).

80% of the time it's just marching, carrying and digging.

>>42867441
1. There's a strong possibility that our ancestors weren't that strong in the first place
2. They worked more than they trained
3. They experimented with odd objects and lifted them with barely any structured training scheme. Believe it or not that's what gives people 90% of their possible gains.
The rest is jus icing on the cake.

Gladiators ate a shitload of wheat/barley, almost nothing else, which is basically high carb/low-moderate protein and low fat diet.
Roman soldiers ate a shitload of grains like bread and believed eating meat made them slower and weaker.

Eating a lot of carbs is good for performance, mood, thyroid health and overall hormonal balance in humans, and it has a protein breakdown stunting effect which lowers protein needs.

>>42893136
You're ignoring the aspect of cost there. They ate grains because it was cheaper to feed your slaves (gladiators) and your common soldiers like that. Whoever could afford it, would eat a more varied diet, as seen in those who had the luxury to compete in sports. High carbs is good for endurance, and they liked that, given the amount of work that was expected.

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>>42876411
>>42883361
lest we forget that french knights were known to remain on their horses during combat. their strategy was to charge into infantry to break up the line. this doesn't work in boggy and muddy terrain. a knight off his horse is almost as defenseless as a peasant in cloth scraps. the french knights trained on their horse and rarely dismounted to fight. the english on the other hand almost always fought dismounted but were regularly owned when fighting about the french on plains or fields.

just a friendly fyi.

>>42892970
Too bad that this is how our grandchildren will be living because modern life is unsustainable for this planet
Better learn to start chopping wood and preserving food without a fridge brah

>>42894026
There is an option that will prevent that. Round up all Jews and other nonwhites in all of Europe, remove them one way or another. Prevent any from ever getting in again.
Literally all problems solved.

>>42894456
Honestly I don't even blame the eskimos.
Without imperialism, I doubt we'd have this many bleeding heart faggots who'd welcome the destruction of their own people.
Seems we're only victims to our own success.

>mfw no European space colony

first of all, fighting is an endurance activity. and second of all fighting is often secondary to all the logistics of moving large groups of men and equipment around, which is also mostly endurance based.

they trained by marching under load, running, rowing, digging, setting up camp, and doing military/combat drills. most would already have a background in some form of manual labor already.