FASTING

Day 5 of water fast. Feeling great.

Can I bike on stationary bike every day? Otherwise I sit all day on my ass at work.

Quick talk on ECA stack while fasting:

Anyone do this? What were your results?

I'm cutting and have started 16:8 IF. Should I eat more or keep my goal at 1800 calories/day?

>>42857637
I'd assume a stationary bike would be fine. I've been trying to either swim/run while fasted. I'm doing a 20:4 but I'm finishing day 4 now and I'm feeling good.

>>42857664
With IF the goal should be to continue your regular maintenance TDEE, maybe just a 100 calories less. Don't reduce CI per day and fast at the same time

>>42857703
I've plateaued with my weight loss and took up IF to try power through it. I feel it'll get harder if I go back to maintenance

>>42857719
Aight well be careful about getting your micro nutrients

>>42857477
anyone else get these weird shivers when fasting?

>>42857779
Yes, especially at the start of it

>>42857477
I fast like 7 hours a night. Unless I wake up during it. That is a long fucking time to go without sugar.

Sugar is life, sugar is love.

I'm trying to start a 16/8 fasting cycle every day but I'm having an issue because, at my work, my lunch is at 11:00, and I only get an hour.

Most days I don't get to eat dinner until 7:00-7:30 and fasting begins after that.

My question is: does fasting cycles have to be even numbers? (sounds fucking dumb I know) but my cycle would be more like 15/9, just wondering if it matters.

>>42858498
>7 hours is not fasting
>spoken like a true addict
>probably obese
>enjoy your insulin resistance

Well meme'd sir! I tip my fedora to you

>>42858846

if you're still eating two meals a day your fast isn't really going to be as effective. you're essentially just skipping breakfast.

i recommend skipping lunch at work and doing a 20/4 cycle

>>42858846
The more the merrier but still better than nothing and/or eating the cereal jew every morning

>>42859001
I tried a 20/4 and I found it incredibly difficult to fit my maintenance calories into dinner. Like I just couldn't eat that much. Got any tips besides make more calorie dense food?

>>42859001
>not doing 23/1
>not stuffing your face in just one hour and calling it a day

>>42859031
Kek
If I was gonna do a 23/1 I would rather just fast the whole weekend and say fuck it.

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Can you people not start threads for me? There is a method to my madness

also

>xray for chest pain at doc
>nothing on spine or in tissue
>do have tiny calcified pulmonary nodule in lung
>every website says I'm either gonna die or need to shell out 6k for CT scans for a year; even though chiro said it ain't shit and not to worry

I do hope OMAD encourages enough autophagy to clear it out or stop it if it's bad, time to chug coffee for them auto-gainz

>>42859028

Here's what I do

>Feeding window starts at 6
>6PM, eat snack
>7PM, eat dinner
>8PM eat snack
>9 PM, eat smoothie

2 250 calorie snacks, 500 calorie dinner, and a 400 calorie smoothie puts me at 1,400 cals for the day.

Just add more/less to the smoothie depending on what your goal is.

>>42859056
Hmm, I feel like I could probably do that. I can easily get a few tablespoons of peanut butter in there too. To make up for the difference.

That's a pretty hefty cut (assuming your maintenance is around mine) That would be a 750 cut for me. I know that's safe normally, but is that fine with IF?

>>42859087

Considering there are people who do 7 day water fasts in this thread, yeah, it's fine with IF.

I have an in-and-out mentality with this anyway. Once I hit my goal weight I'm stopping. I'm relatively new to lifting so I'm not too worried about losing muscle but I've found my lifts have even been slightly increasing since I started IF. Go figure.

>>42859118
Thanks for the help anon! I think I'm gonna try 20/4 for a few weeks and see how I like it.

>>42859148

It takes some adjustment but once you get used to it, it's really not bad at all. I drink a lot of tea and coffee to curb hunger pangs whenever I'm feeling them and it works like a charm.

Plus it makes eating dinner so fucking good.

>>42859165
Bout to eat your dinner

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>>42857477
Can someone seriously explain something.

So I fasted for 2-3 days then went ketogenic for 2 days then went high carb for a day.

I repeated this pattern for about 3 weeks.

After the carb day I felt like I hit 15 pounds of cocaine ran around my house then went to sleep.

I was also extremely productive and dug a ditch in my yard and built shit all over the place.

I am curious if there was a scientific test that studied the effects of performance and this pattern in sports that could confirm I was not experiencing some type of placebo effect or something.

>fasting til dinner tonight
>coworkers are ordering pizza for special occasion
Am I going to look autistic if I say I'm not hungry?

>>42859738
you went through 3 2-3 day of malnutrition and then had a tons of the most potent and easy to use fuel for human being

>>42859756
You'll look autistic if you say you're not hungry while fearing that you'll look autistic for saying you're not hungry

Been doing 16/8 for awhile. Haven't been able to lift for a couple months because injury. I'm eating at maintenance, and I feel like I'm "uncomping", i.e. My weight is holding steady but I'm starting to get flabbier, I think.

What do?

>>42859774
There has to be more to it then that realistically because I have been put in positions of very low food and did not experience the same sort of boost.

>>42859801
Try a gay relationship.

>>42859812
Not that guy but curious to what's your reasoning behind this

Big fan of IF fat fasting (I use a bit of ghee) for fat loss and alertness during the day, especially for an office job. I mean why have breakfast and lunch and then just sit on your ass and let it convert to fat? Ugh.

Question: what do you guys think about chewing gum while fasting, is this halal? I'd like to go through a few pieces during fasting periods, but they seem to have 5 calories per stick (1-2g of sugar). How much will this fuck with my insulin?

>>42859910
It's worth a shot. If you're trying to work out but it's not fixing what feels wrong, you're probably just gay.

>>42859931
hmm never thought of it like that. Might try this out, thanks!

>>42859973
np Carrie Prejean

>>42858993
Nice meltdown.

>>42860012
Nice juicy penis.

>>42859028
Don't do it if you can't do it well. Soon you'll be eating all kinds of junk just to meet your caloric need. Do 20/4 4 times a week and 18/6 or 16/8 or something the other days so you can eat more while still eating healthy foods.

>>42859801

Sounds like maybe you should shorten the window more to eat less. It makes sense to let yourself lose a bit of weight if you're not lifting, otherwise what do you expect? Of course you're gonna gain fat if you hold bodyweight constant.

Clean up food quality too. It sucks not being able to lift, I know. What kind of injury though? If you're not bed-ridden, maybe you could do light cardio to keep your metabolism up. Even a good walk on a fasted stomach helps.

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>>42859914
Absolutely haram. The sweet taste alone can easily trigger hormonal mechanisms.

>>42860226

Fuck alright. Should I find some of that shit tasting sugar free stuff then? Does sugar free gum even exist?

>>42860279
Yeah, it's called my scrotum. Chew on it.

>>42860226
>>42860279
>>42860289

http://www.dummies.com/health/nutrition/weight-loss/stay-clear-of-foods-with-calories-while-fasting/

=(((

>>42857477
Hi /fast/
can fasting get me ripped ? ( even if skinny )

>>42859914
You're ghee as shit you homo

>>42859738
I experienced the same thing, it is awesome

>>42860316
The Op pic clearly state that you lose around 60 g of muscle a day so doubt it .

>>42860401
buhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh WAT

>>42860444
it seems to drop at around 45-50 after 20 days of fasting but at that point you're top DYEL

Whats the consensus on coffee? Lets say 1 sugar per cup six times a day?

>>42860478
Suck my Johnson!!!!!!!

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4111762/

reminder to drink that coffee brehs

>>42860815

What is autophagy?

>>42861060
I don't know, but you're awful faggy!

>>42861060
Intercellular process where lysosomes destroy any junk material in the cell (misformed/old proteins etc). Basically leads to more effecient processes in the cell overall.

Enjoy your hair loss, guys. I did a 14-5 fast. And my hair has been falling out for months. Nobody warned me about this.

On day 8 of my water fast, was thinking of smoking my pipe. Kind of worried what sort of impact the nicotine would have though. Anyone tried this before?

>>42861145
Oh no! Your body autophaggoted your hair!

>>42861145
Its not our fault that you are a genetic trash heap

>>42861176
Try smoking my pipe first. When I'm done, then you should be safe to smoke your pipe without being beaten bloody by my fists.

how do I use massive HGH gain from fasting in gaining muscles? Should I do something like fasting on rest days?

>>42861392

fasting is lifestyle not a cycle you go on and off of

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>>42861267

>>42859044
Medfag here, i don't know how old you are but the likelihood is you don't have cancer if you're a young non-smoker. Dunno what the US guidelines are but in the UK you'd get a CT scan every year, no growth after two years and they'd discharge you from follow up. Don't get a shit ton of CTs, it's approaching fukashima levels of radiation.

>>42861176
horrible idea, your immune system has probably refreshed and your blood and liver is probably the cleanest it's been in awhile; Tobacco and nicotine would hit you like a freight train

Any info on weed while fasting? It tends to help me get past hard days.

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>>42861850
Damn, figured as much. Thanks senpai

Does it matter what you break your fast with? Could I just eat shit?

>>42862241
Depends on the fast and duration. If you are going longer than 2-3 days, it would be recommended to do a refeed when getting off your fast. Refeed syndrome can potentially kill you, so look up refeeding if you are doing something long-term.

>>42862296
What about just OMAD?

>>42857477
Good one

Is diet pepsi okay for fasts?

are we anorexic

>>42862653
Some would say no, as your body cant tell the difference between a sweet sugary substance, or a sweet 0 calorie substance and will spike insulin in response to what it expects to be a very sweet intake.

I would also say no. Not only because the first reason, but because I always end up becoming hungry and really wanting food if I go for a diet beverage. I thought I was being clever drinking a ton of diet A&W when cutting, but I quickly realized all it did was make me want more sweets and bullshit food.

Ultimately, if you can do it without it fucking your world up, then go ahead. I cannot.

>>42862975

>Some would say no, as your body cant tell the difference between a sweet sugary substance, or a sweet 0 calorie substance and will spike insulin in response to what it expects to be a very sweet intake.

This seems like broscience to me. The insulin spike is a biological response to caloric intake. Just because something tastes sweet IE artificial sweetener does not mean that the body assumes you are ingesting calories.

>>42863009
Ya, I wasnt too keen on that one either. Which is why I said the second reason is the reason I avoid diet drinks.

>>42863009
Well check the insulin response on different sweeteners. As far as I know very few sweeteners do not cause an insulin reaction.

>The insulin spike is a biological response to caloric intake

Not quite, Insulin is a response to carbohydrates. Fats do not trigger an insulin response. Would be really stupid if you were eating some blocks of butter and you would pass out due to hypoglycemia.

>>42857477
How do you guys overcome the shits? I get liquid sharts on day 3 like clockwork. I'm talking a dripping leakage. I never get to day 4 because of these.

I'm not obese or an amerishart, I'm just trying to get from 172lb to 165lbs before Oct 1.

>>42862296
this is literally the first time hearing about refeed syndrome. i plan to do a month long fast so what do i eat after the month to not kill myself?

>>42863235
As many pizzas as you can afford, as fast as you can eat it.

>>42859738

>I am curious if there was a scientific test that studied the effects of performance and this pattern in sports that could confirm I was not experiencing some type of placebo effect or something

What grade are you in?

>>42863230

Uh yeah don't drink so much water.

will fasting help me lose my panniculus
i don't want my panniculus anymore

>>42863230
mmmkay but like... you ARE an obese amerishart, right?

i like how cold my body feels during fasts, feels good.

>>42860331
heheheheh

>>42861109
oohhahaha

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>>42857477
97 hours in, I caught cold hopefully I'll get better tomorrow. Been watching a lot of ramen videos, my soul food lol

We all are gonna make it.>>42857477

Is it better to start lifting after I lose all my fat?

How do I retain most of my muscle mass and go on a fast too??

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>>42865700
No
>>42865704
Continue lifting

>>42861955
How about you man the fuck up and grind it through you cuck

first time going 25 hrs without food

what should I expect within the next 24?

>>42857477
Does this image mean you don't get the most out of fasts if you only do them for like 2 days

>>42866877
pretty much you dont get the most out of it until you hit ketosis

>>42859031
Doesn't really work that way friendo, the benefits of fasting kick in between 24-27 after last meal, so you'll be getting very close to being in a completely fasted state and then kicking yourself straight back out.

>>42861399
Prove it faggit

>>42861399
This. I've been in a fasted state for 10 years now.

>>42867016
That is simply not true....

>>42867016
How much longer are you going to fast?

>>42859044
other medfag here, what you have is probably tuberculosis mate, not trying to fear monger, just being realistic

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>tfw 48 hours into my fast

sometime tomorrow i should be under 200lbs for the first time this year.
feels good, even though i know it's mostly water weight.

>>42867016
You should be dead

WHY IS THIS SO FUCKING HARD

>>42866821
Suffering

Day 6 of water fast.

Why the fuck do I keep watching cooking tv show

>>42867422
but everyone says its so easy

>>42867777
Yeah, but not before the turning point (2-3 days)

>>42867940
plan to eat at 36 hours anyway

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does one meal a day (7pm to 7pm) actually burn my fat or is it just a meme that gets rid of water weight?

>no progress pics from jaked guys
>fasting is good guy this one asian guy said so

Inspiration

https://www.reddit.com/r/fasting/comments/6k9u07/78day_check_in/

>>42868135
I've lost 15 pounds in the past 3 weeks doing it, however, I'm also exercising like a mofo and doing 2 day fasts

>>42859738
Carbs are like caffeine. You feel like shit without it and get withdrawal. Soon as you eat some more or drink a cup of coffee it's double the effect because you weaned off it for some time.

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>start keto, feel the best I have felt in forever
>want to fast because of all the good things I hear about it
>ask dad about it since he's a smart, /fit/ as fuck nutritionist and natural body builder
>says I shouldn't fast because I'm a grill and it throws off hormones, menses, etc.

Is there no other option?

>>42870761
>listening to opinion of uneducated amateurs

Can anyone post the pic showing HGH increase during fast?

>>42869389
he's have a steak with egg for his first meal after over two months fasting? shouldn't he be going easy on his stomach after a fast that long?

>>42872115
better than shitty carbs imo

up

Gonna try 7-day fast with multivitamins.

Will drinking Centrum give me a bad time?

>>42872115
That was his plan but they told him its fucking retarded

Doing OMAD and I have to take a few different pills, for stuff like my multivit and everything that is one a day, is it worth me taking it with my meal in the evening rather than the morning when I would normally do it.

How to minimize cortisol gains during fast?

This is the cheekiest thread I've read in a while. You're alright, /fast/.

>>42857477
didn't the sticky say this was bad for you?

>>42870799
>listening to the opinion of self-proclaimed educated professionals from an anime forum

went 38 hours

feels so good to eat

>no award winning bodybuilding has ever done prolonged fasting despite the claims that he would be able to cut down fat without losing muscle mass

Okay, I'm done with 3 days fasting just tea and water.
What should I eat to break this?

24h now

Anyone else feel light headed during fast, doesn't feel terrible ,it's like my brains on autopilot and actually has increased focus. (I'm ADHD ). But I'm all spaced out and it can be hard doing dexterous tasks. I drink like 5 glasses of water ,doing 16/8 leangains. It might have something to do with all the coffee caffeine

>>42877579

Drink more water and some salty soup, you may need sodium.

>>42860226
So can I not drink any diet sodas?

>>42877658
soup has calories retard

>>42877696
I'd avoid them just because they are not really 0 calories, even if the label says so.

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>>42877333
>tfw broke my 3 day fast with 3k calories worth of shit like microwave meals and pre packaged cookies/pies
didn't even diarrhea, shit was a nice natty log the next day.

i am also curious how to break my next fast. i haven't looked into it yet, but i was thinking bone broth and low calorie keto type meal.

I'm interested in doing a ketogenic lifestyle but I'm worried that the 20% protein figure I see everywhere is too low, I eat about 35% protein 60% fat and from 5% to absolutely no carbs

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> Fasting = Ramadan
Good goy

Day 7 of water fast and second day in a row I woke up with terrible muscle cramp in my left calf even tho I take centrum multivitamin daily. Should I start taking extra magnesium?

>>42878165
Maybe try taurine. But wtf do I know.

What's /fast/ opinion on OMAD?

I'm doing 36 hour fasts, accidentally went over my calories refeeding, feels bad man

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>>42870813

Okay, so summer is around the corner in my country and i'm around 8 pounds overweight, i've been considering water fasting for around a week
Any recommendations before i start this?
I have only done intermitent fasting before

>>42879124
>Okay, so summer is around the corner in my country
wat

>>42879124
Just stop eating. You will easily lost that and more in a week. You dont need any supplements because 7 days is a short fast. I would just make my last meal something fibrous so that you are not constipated.

>>42878467
so past 33 days starvation mode kicks in?

>>42877774
he probably means bonebroths which I believe people eat on fasts, or at least on keto.

>>42879279
no what makes you think that? Starvation happens when body no longer has fat to burn so its individual. One guy fasted for over a year

>>42879299
it still has calories. It you eat that its not real fast

>>42879165
In the southern emisphere, summer actually starts 21st december
Sadly, as i live in one of the hottest cities, we have 34 degrees temperatures starting in october usually, and when summer actually starts it can get really nasty, some people literally dies of heat attacks, also humidity makes thermal sensation rise a lot, we peaked at 60°C thermal sensation last year (wich is around 45 actual degrees). So summer time here is actually spring because in actual summer most people don't wanna leave their houses or goes on vacation to someplace colder
>>42879240
Thanks for usefull advice bro

>>42879311
how many calories can a bone broth really have? google says 10 per cube whatever the fuck that means

coffee also has a few calories too (like 3) so you fags arent really fasting if you sip coffee

>>42879440
also read it has electrolytes so I dont think it'd really hurt your fast

>>42857477
On the larger topic of fasting, isnt it quite a peculiar thing? Why do so many religions have it? Why do people who focus on health do it outside of religions?

Is it something of a sacred thing? I have been thinking about it from a bio evolutionary principle as to why it may be useful in spiritual ways, alike to that of religion.

Imagine that in our brain we have repositories, math principles and databases that loosely detail many aspects around us, from safety, to weather, too wealth...and food access of course. Now if you have a lot of wealth, if you have a lot of access to food, then those math scrips will tell you "Shit faggot, we are running out of food, stop doing everything else and fix it".

And in this modern age that "everything else" is hedonism, its partying, its drinking, its being some slut using faggotmongler. Now if these events were limited to themselves it wouldnt be that horrible...but obviously they arent. That little math script in your brain will tell many things in your life to stagnate. If there is no need for fresh kill to get, then your brain goes off "predatory mode" and suddenly you are a bit less capable at work, less capable at life. Eventually these things may add up and then a child who grows up with these math principles never learns anything on how to live, and they just waste away.

So in a way, fasting may trigger many of the underlying mental math repositories that will prompt higher performance in you. But obviously, the more potent thing is to find the mid range of your brain, the subtle part where your consciousness starts to end, and where those repositories begin. Actually cutting off your money supply and sending you into a panick of how and where you may be able to eat is even more potent.

It is a very similar approach in the way that the Spaniards burned their vessels when they arrived into america, to kill the natives in a huge successful storm. (because they had nothing else to go back to). Opinions?

I'm feeling the urge lately to throw up, is this just a phase or should I stop Water Fasting?

>>42879979
>spaniards burned their vessels to better motivate themselves to conquer the new world

ur a special kind of fake intellectual

kys soon tyvm

Why am I farting when I am not eating

Been fasting from 1/2pm to 7/8pm for just under a week now and lost 3 pounds. I was 152 pounds but am now 149, is that a healthy loss in a week or am I losing it at a rate that will eat away muscle?

>ate ravascioucly for about 8 hours then drank for an extra 3-4 last night even though I usually do OMAD
>assume I've fallen out of keto even though I was eating low carb
>check pee stick this morning
>still in keto

Going to go on a hike for them extra glucagon loss gainz, then get ready to reset and fall back into OMAD

anyone have exeprience with OMAD autophagy btw?

I've lost a lot of weight with IF and clean eating. I've noticed I sleep a lot less. Like 4hrs tops at night then maybe an afternoon cat nap of about an hour.


Is there a link between fasting and sleep patterns?

>>42882222
>Is there a link between fasting and sleep patterns?
Yes. I've heard other people say basically the same thing as you. I've been doing IF for 6 months and unfortunately it hasn't happened to me. The only thing it changed is that sometimes I'll fall asleep around 8-9pm, wake up at midnight, spend the entire night awake, and then sleep the other half during the morning.

What's your feeding period and how long have you been on it?

>>42857644
Seconding on this question

>>42879979
I have to agree with the other guy who replied to you. KYS.

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>>42882770
>>42857644
I didnt do it but i dont see why it would be bad. Ive heard if you take aspirin in large doses its hard on an empty stomach though.
>>42857477
>>42862296
>>42863235
>>42877333
>>42878075
Re-Feeding, dont skim like a faggot actually read the whole damn thing.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440847/

>also all hail the queen

>>42867456
haha it's like instinct. I find my mind constantly wandering to food even if i don't feel like eating.

I've been doing 20 4 IF for the past 3 months, but after I took a break, it was hard to start again. I've finally started again now. I'm planning to do two extended fasts--one for 2 weeks after Canadian Thanksgiving, and another for 5 weeks after Halloween. Should I really start taking tons of potassium and magnesium or is that retarded?

Longest I've fasted before is 90 hours.

>>42884243
You should get your potassium and magnesium no matter what kind of diet or fast you are doing. You don't need "tons" of it. Some multivitamins have either of both of these, another one is mineral salt.

So I want to do the obvious, lose fat/gain muscle, but how does that work into a fast especially when I should be getting anywhere from 120g-180g protons for my lifting?

I've been trying to do fullbody 3x a week, if I just went on a little 3 day fast every other weekend would that be bueno? or is there some synergy I'm missing?

>>42857477
Why the fuck does this chart go to MINUS 5 days

>>42884585
They started measuring people 5 days before they began fasting

>>42884475
>is there some synergy I'm missing?
ya its called the OP template

>>42884426
It seems that the body needs 3500 mg of potassium per day, while most supplements have about 100 mg. That's what I was referencing.

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6 days worth of fasting from 213 to 195

>>42884911
>>42884426
1 tsp Pink Himalayan Salt (sodium)
1 tsp Nosalt (potassium)
1 liter of water
1 magnesium supplement

I mix a liter a day in my Ninja and sip on it all day. It's salt water but it keeps your electrolytes in the right place for prolonged fasting.

>>42885375
Thanks, that sounds perfect. I'm really excited to start these two long fasts.

>>42857477

>250 kcal/d of energy from protein.
>Protein has 4kcal/g.
>So you burn 62.5 g of Protein.
>Not even muscle cells are 100% protein.

Fasting is literally the worst one can do. Prove me wrong.

>>42885451
desu I did 14 days and the refeeding is a pain in the ass. For me there are two options that make sense.

>OMAD, in a low carb manner
>eat on lift days, fast on rest days

>>42885483
I want to do a prolonged fast to experience it and also cut down. I won't be lifting or doing a ton of exercise. Mostly going to be doing 60 days of no fap, rebuilding my engine and wiring harness on my Rx7, and fasting until Christmas season.

I'm now 8 days in. No supplements, just water. I've done 6 days a few times, it was perfectly fine. But since yesterday, at the 7 day mark, I get these weird body aches and these migraines that won't go away. I also feel queasy like I'm going to have diarrhea in 20 minute, or puke in 5 minutes, but nothing ever comes. Should I brute force some light cardio or something? It seems weird that a fast just two days longer than last time is this painful. I really feel like utter fucking shit. I have to finish an assignment in about 24 hours and I don't think it's doable in this state, my brain is barely working. As far as I know, nobody has mentioned a sharp increase in difficulty on the 7th day.

Some people have gone longer with just water, so I don't think it's inherently the worst thing in the world. Are supplements really that necessary? I've never taken them on the 6 day fasts.

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>>42885656
That doesn't sound very good anon. If you feel like throwing up, how are you supposed to end the fast by eating.
>inb4 pic related

>>42857477
>protein oxidation goes down in a fasted state

Daily reminder people will literally believe this.

>>42863173
>Insulin is a response to carbohydrates

Beef is insulinogenic.

>>42885834
I don't know. What should I do? My goal was 12 days, which seemed perfectly doable from day 1-6. It's just surreal as fuck to feel fine on day 6 and feel like utter complete fucking shit on day 7. I lay down probably once every hour because I feel queasy but I usually don't fall asleep.

Is there kind of a "pick me up" to get me out of this but light enough to still be fasting?

>>42861850
I've been on a 22/2 fast for months while smoking and never had problems. I survive on black coffee and cigarettes like a real man.

>>42886030
listen to your body. It's time to eat, ease into it - Well deserved

>>42886119
Yeah, I guess you're right. I'll just cook some mixed vegetables and eat them with a spoon so that it's nothing too crazy. I'm just a bit weary of food because, for the last year and a half, if I ever eat, I really over eat and stuff myself, no matter what it is, which is why I was pushing 300 pounds 6 months ago.

It feels safer to starve, if that makes sense. I don't mean to turn this into my blog, but it's nice to say (or type) out loud.

>>42886190
No man, it's normal to have up days and down days on fasts like these. Take minerals and check yourself tomorrow. Trust me you'll regret it

>>42879440
You buy shitty coffee then, faggot.

>tfw even skipping breakfast and eating a late lunch makes me lightheaded

How long does this shit take to get used to? I swear if this is all just bullshit like the nofap I'm going to spend the rest of my days shitposting here

>>42885470
>Prove me wrong
actually read all the info in the template and you will be proven wrong you moron

>>42885901
>>42885470
samefag idiot?

>>42886486
>have you ever been diagnosed as diabetic or prediabetic? That'd be the main reason I could think for why you get lightheadedness just skipping breakfast. Other would be insufficient hydration and electrolytes

Can i fap while fasting?

>consider a ketogenic diet

nope

>>42887743
as long as you don't eat the cum

>>42857477
>What I've Learned
>Thomas DeLauer

Stop posting retarded keto shills.

>>42877411
48h fasted now

>>42887794
So no

Starting a 10 days fast today, lads. Wish me luck.

>>42887794
I ate my cum once while fasting and got a tummy ache. I honestly thought I had done srooms by accident like when you accidentally listen to that one vapor wave album and the announcer girl says "featuring Diana Shermie" and it sounds like Shroomie. So what I'm trying to say is that there's a direct connection there

Just got to my 9th day of fast. Feeling pretty well, haven't felt lightheaded at all and no hunger. My weight loss has slowed down but was expected. Can't really complain much, still have a few days until refeeeding but life's gud.
How are my other long fast bros doing?

>>42885656

You should force some electrolytes in yourself

>>42863009
>The insulin spike is a biological response to caloric intake

What the fuck are you smoking my dude...
Carbs raise blood sugar and insulin
Proteins raise insulin, but not blood sugar
Fats don't do shit
Calorie is not a calorie

>>42890851
Day 8 of my fast feeling pretty good. Will probably aim for 2 weeks at least

>>42890552
good luck bro. Stay strong it's gonna be tough.

>>42890851
Day 7 of my fast. Feeling like shit today.

>>42891277
Thank you m8. I already did one of three days and one of six, ten days will be a challenge I am glad to accept.

>>42886208
Maybe that's true, but it was 2 very down days in a row. It's hard to put into words, it wasn't a specific pain like one of my arms hurting, it was a general feeling of slowly dying.

I ended up eating anyways, about 300 calories worth of mixed vegetables, felt like a million (canadian) bucks afterwards. Now it's the next morning and I feel perfectly fine, like I've been eating regularly for the past week. All of the pain and malaise is gone.

Maybe I just have to edge up 1 day at a time, so that each successive fast is n+1 days, and maybe next time I should take supplements. But now at least I can work and be on my feet for more than 10 minutes at a time.

For the record, I had no stomach trouble, even after breaking the 8 day fast. Maybe refeeding syndrome isn't as severe as people think, I don't know.

IF while trying to build muscle. Yay or nay? I figured I could benefit from the surplus hgh.

>>42891824
You wont get much HGH while doing just IF
But still it is worth doing it and skippin the morning jew (cereal, oats etc)

>>42891957
>You wont get much HGH while doing just IF
can you elaborate further?

>>42859044
Hey I had something similar a couple of years ago. Turned out to be a benign thyroid nodule that had stuck itself to my windpipe. Nothing to worry about, I did have it removed though.
However I've been getting similar symptoms again recently to before I had it removed so I'm going back to the hospital on Tuesday to see what's going on.

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>>42892007
Because you would have to do longer fasts to exploit the benefits

>pic related

I dont have time to watch 30 youtube videos

What are the main points for going from /fit/ to shredded.

I can already cut successfully by just reducing caloric intake but this time I want to get absolutely shredded.

>>42870761

Don't trust anyone and just fucking try it out for a while.

Trial and error in a world of misinformation is all you cal rely on these days

>>42870761
I've been doing IF and lifting since May this year and my tits look great.

>>42892550
transformation pics needed

Why do I even bother supplementing potassium. You need like 4700mg per day right? My fucking tabs got 40mg in one

>>42885656
That's your bodies way of saying it hates you, your cells are commiting suicide and your brain is accepting an Early death at its owners malnutrition.

>>42886889
No, are you upset or something?

Fasting is inferior for muscle retention and gain, it's literally the worst thing you could possibly do. It's worse than low protein low calorie diets, you have to be a retard in order to spin this around and justify your shitty dietary habits.

>>42891957
Who cares about slight elevations in HGH when you are figuratively cucking yourself out of a healthy insulin level which is the most anabolic hormone in the human body.
HGH goes up on a long fast because it has to go up in order to cope with your shitty diet and cortisol/adrenal spike.

>>42893254
But it's superior for losing weight.

legit question, are all the people doing IF and extended fasts in this thread fatties trying to lose bodyfat fast or do some fit people do it because they think it's healthy/good for gains?

>>42860401
>of muscle
You know there's more protein stores in the body than muscle right?

>>42893316
They are fatties or trolls, no one worth their salt actually does this or even recommends it.

Fasting for whole days is fucking stupid.

>>42893324
Yeah, like your organs.

>>42893316
I think mostly fatties, but I think some fit people as well who just want to be quick and over with a cut.

>>42893355
>They are fatties or trolls, no one worth their salt actually does this or even recommends it.
>>42893359
so is it even healthy or just another "fad diet" to cut weight quick?

>>42893402
Read some of the links on op. The information there is in much better form what I can tell you here.

>>42893355
>Yeah, like your organs.
more like defective and malfunctioning Intracellular organelles, skin, dead and dying cells that sit around.

Why do you think those people who fast for weight loss don't have loose skin problems?

>>42893476
5 blogpost and one study on mice for the autofaggy part .

>>42893402
>just another "fad diet"

Yes, this is even more retarded than ketoniggers and their shitty bulletproof coffee meme because at least ketoniggers eat food and somewhat prevent their bodies from eating away at their muscles and organs.

>>42893643
But THEY do beside the one in every 500 that dr bung or another guru use as their example .
>>42893643
You really thing your body find 60g a DAY of that in your body ? You're fucking delusional man , There is NOT a SINGLE timestamped visual proof that someone made his loose skin or scar mark disappear with it , NOT A SINGLE ONE , and you know why ? because it's pure wishful thinking , nothing else .

>>42893359
>>42893402
>>42893655
why are you guys even in this thread if you're just gonna shitpost?

>>42893695
To prevent serious health damage on gullible people looking for a quick fix , especially if they're young or female , it could literally fuck their hormone / growth for good .

Alright so I have what I shall call a "loose skin belt" around my waist. Nothing hanging really. But I can definitely pinch the skin there and it is thin as hell. Anywhere else I can grab outward like 5 inches because my skin is so fucking elastic from losing weight fast. I don't know if it's genetics or not or whatever.

Is this autophagy shit true? How far does it go? If I'm going to the gym I can't fast so what do I do then to get into autophagy?

>>42893643
>Why do you think those people who fast for weight loss don't have loose skin problems?
got any examples of this? all the before after pictures of obese people losing weight fasting still have a fair amount of loose skin. and why are people throwing the term "autophagy" around like a buzzword? no one knows how autophagy works in the human body, it's only theorized how it could possibly work and the models are very recent and haven't been verified through observations.

>>42893716
Autofaggy it a fucking meme blew up out of proportion by guru to get a bigger cult , It happens but It has NONE of the properties those retard want you to believe , you're cucking your gym gain and muscle by fasting .

>>42893744
Alright thanks i'll just forget about all this shit and autofaggy i was literally thinking about spelling it that way too

>>42893643
Literally every single example of success from fatties who did full fasting weeks I've seen look like their skin stretched.

Good luck with your body eating away at its organs and muscles for some stupid meme "diet".

>>42893254
>
Youre wrong though, the science shows that.

>>42893744
autophagy is no meme, and fasting shifts the body from a state of new cell production to a state of cell repair. your body will experience lower levels of IGF1 (which is linked to the development of cancers and diabetes)

>>42893814
No ,a guru voluntarily misinterpreting a study told you that science evolved and science was wrong but now NEWS finding shows that MEMEMEMEMMEMEMEME autofaggy , MEMEMMEME fat is good , MEMEMEMEM cholesterol is not bad , MEMEMEMEMEMe x is good , MEMEMEMEE y was BAD .

Was always like that with sect & booksellers and will always be like that .

>>42893677
>But THEY do beside the one in every 500 that dr bung or another guru use as their example .
I've gotten 25 fat fuck to lose a shit load of weight via fasting. including a 440lb fatass who got down to 180.

None of them have saggy skin.

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>>42893854
>science was wrong
what do you mean?
Dude science evolves all the time. Not sure what your problem is? Autism?

>>42893316
i am fasting to get rid of bodyfat. but even when i am at a healthy weight i may stick to keto and do a 5:2 fast. fasting helps with longevity, i don't understand why people disagree. it is basically a fact that eating less results in a longer life, across all animals.

>>42893911
>None of them have saggy skin.
how would you know that? and fasting is obviously a way to restrict calories, leading to fat loss. it's definitely an efficient way to lose weight, whether or not it's healthy is the issue here.

reduced calorie cucks all pissy today, must be the hunger

>>42894021
lol

i realised there are 100 or so days until christmas, i'm about a week into my fast and i'm thinking if things carry out going well then i might just extend it to a month and if it's still going well then i could extend it even further. but i think i'll probably stop tomorrow as this is the longest i've done a fast and i feel like i need to work up to it. my dream of a 100 day fast is probably too much to hope for, especially in the event that i feel a bit off and i need to break it.

>>42894021
At least people who lose weight through a caloric deficit don't lose around 60g of muscle & organ a day :^)

>>42894136
but they do lose muscle.

are the people fasting 3+ days neets who can afford to do nothing all day? if not how do you have the energy for work and exercise? and going on walks doesn't count, I'm talking high intensity exertion

I've done IF and carb cycling AND keto and they're all bullshit if you're an athlete

More power to you guys if you're fatasses and are trying to lose weight, but if you are into any kind of sports whatsoever, carbs are life.

Having said that, I still do a slight fast/carb cycle most days:

>530am wake up
coffee with coconut oil
>11am
handful of cashews
>3pm
salad with chicken or fish
>6pm Boxing or gym
protein shake with oats and instant coffee
>8pm
protein shake with PB and psyllium husk
>9-10pm
lots of rice, veg and some kind of meat
>1030pm
greek yogurt whisked with frozen berries and/or protein powder

seems to work ok for me, adderall helps

>>42894145
Yes , maybe in the ballpark of 10g a day and not 60 +

>>42894168
and what's your reasoning for that?

>>42894157
i've been on keto and low carbs and when i went to the gym to talk to someone about my diet, he started putting his hand to his face and saying oh god. now i'm trying to get more carbs in my diet since i am workout out more often. but it's hard for me to get in all my calories. i still live at home and have no way to buy food, so i'm usually missing like 500 cals by the end of the day

>>42894200
>he started putting his hand to his face and saying oh god
nice to know that's all it takes to convince you

>>42894206
oh i forgot to mention how he said that low carb was ok for losing weight but not good at all for gaining muscle and having energy to workout.

nice to know that you like to read essays faggot cuck

>>42894230
that is true but i'd expect you to at least go out and read about this stuff yourself rather than having some guy at the gym tell you it without making you understand why that is.

>>42894239
carbs are fuel for us and you can't have your body run on fat especially when you are trying to build muscle. you won't be able to push as hard.

>>42894200
Nuts are decent and easy for carbs

Oats, rice, beans are your friends. Black beans in a can with some hot sauce and yeast is a good combo. Can be a bit dry so add salsa or plain greek yogurt if that bothers you

>>42894272
carbs are short term fuel for us. they help in the gym and let you push yourself further but you can crash later on.

>>42894272
debatable

You can look good and be strong with little carbs but you won't be a performance athlete... even a "hobbyist" athlete

For instance, I'm 33 and do obstacle course races, mountain bike, kayak, boxing, etc

However when I was in my 20s and just wanted to look good naked, carbs weren't as important

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>>42894272
this. carbs are especially important for cardio, i have vastly improved my 5k's since i stopped being a ketolet and carbed up before my runs. i'm doing omad so i stuff my face like 6 hours before a run and i'm good to go.

Anyone take addrral during a fast or ec

>>42892029
Was this before or after fasting out of curiosity? Also best of luck my dude

>>42892465
www.leangains.com
16:8 or 20:4 for even greater HGH
good luck

>>42893311
Anabolic and carcinogenic and damaging
There's a reason all the bodybuilding greats died before 50 and by the time a lifter gets to using insulin he cuts in life epectancy in half

Also the massive HGH boost is amazing for strength and keeping mass even while cut, fasting also helps recycling which reduces your protein needs

>>42894157
>carb cuck needs to take adderall to cope with the constant insulin spikes
sounds about right

>>42894383
>limiting yourself and your potential by eating carbs
>doesn't know that any ultra-distance runner worth their shit nowadays is now doing keto because they literally get a nigh infinite amount of steady anergy and improved VO2 max throughout a race

>>42857477
How does keto affect natty test levels?

>>42894505
i don't question the science behind keto and you are probably completely right. i'm eating at a 300 caloric deficit trying to lower my bodyfat. i did keto for like 2-3 months and was super carbphobic and i lost a ton of weight.
but fact is my runs improved after i started eating carbs. maybe it's because i just do high intensity 5ks instead of long distance stuff.

>>42894540
"Total testosterone increased significantly from Weeks 0-11 in the KD diet (118 ng/dl) as compared to the WD (-36 ng/dl) from pre to post while insulin did not change."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28399015

I don't know of any conclusive studies, though. But at the very least, such a diet would not restrict testosterone production from the supply side (test is made from cholesterol, which raises with saturated fat intakes).

>doesn't know that any ultra-distance runner worth their shit nowadays is now doing keto because they literally get a nigh infinite amount of steady anergy and improved VO2 max throughout a race.

You don't do a lot of sports do you ?

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>>42894154
You get youre energy back once the fat burning really kicks in and youre body gets used to it. Everyone agrees the frist 3-4 days are miserable but after that you feel great.
>>42895045
correct
required viewing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96VZFklUM_Q

>>42895181
This dude clearly state that he eat sweet potatoes before training and use gels during race on his website , even now , it's just one of those retard who believe carb= pasta .
NO ultra endurance runner use keto , NOT A SINGLE ONE

>>42895208
>it's just one of those retard who believe carb= pasta
what?
>This dude clearly state that he eat sweet potatoes before training and use gels during race on his website
Link please

>>42895231

http://www.timothyallenolson.com/2013/04/10/nutrition/

>Sweet potatoes
>Fruits
>Green smoothies
>Gels

You CAN'T perform correctly and optimally without carbs , even the "fat adaptation" for ultra endurance athlete is more of an "carb sparing" adaptation , you want to use fat because it allow you to spare more carbs , because at the second you're out of carbs in a race you're O U T

>>42894194
Because low calorie diets are catabolic by nature and reduce nitrogen balance, and fasting is more catabolic than eating a low calorie diet and reduces nitrogen balance even further.

>>42895045
Ultra marathon runners or utlra distance runners literally use the slowest energy system in the body.
They still don't do keto, they use carbs just like anyone else, their diet is simply higher in fats than the olympic marathon runner who eats loads of carbs.

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>>42895312
Are you retarded?
Look at the date you idiot. Its from 2013. The video i psoted is from 2015. Do you know how time works?

30 mins till fast is over!

Gonna start with pure mango juice then crab stew and rice!

>>42895387
>pure mango juice
pure sugar?

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>>42895343
>BANANA
>LITERALLY THE HIGHEST GI FRUITS
Fucking retarded ketard , he also eat a futons of zucchini & tomato , they don't contain much but that's still adds up ;

And btw you mong , zucchini , tomatoes , banana , are all mostly SOLUBLE fibers , which are partly digested as fructose

>>42895448
>some runner who doesn't even win anything internationally
>used by ketoniggers as proof keto works for sports
>dude isn't even on a ketosis state off season

made me think

>>42895423
absolute madman

>>42895448
He said before a race he eats high fat low carb, never said it was full keto. And the banans might be for his wife. This is you coping because i made you look like a moron because you dont know how time works.
>>42895469
did it make you same fag as well?

>>42895469
His diet is literally "trying to get as much carbs as possible while still trying to act like i'm a ketonigger "
Tons of (RED) Bell peppers , tons of cucurbitaceae veg / fruits .
>>42895512
yeah his " post run smoothie" for his wife , fucking retard .

He indeed eat High fat low carb for a runner , which is around 150-200 g of daily carbs n A K A not ketosis :^)

>>42894480
This, I barely lose any muscle at all while fasting. I dropped 50 lbs off in a few months and felt amazing. Compare this to the last two times I slowly restricted calories--both times, I felt weak and unable to exercise or think, and I felt like I'd fall over whenever someone walked by me. I lost roughly the same amount of weight both times, but gained it back. I haven't gained back the weight i lost fasting, maybe in part because I love fasting, and like I said, I've retained almost all my muscle mass.

Anon is right; there's so much God damn misinformation. Do your own first hand research. Trial and error. You'll eventually realize that lots of people are lying.

>>42895542
Dude bell peppers barerly have any carbs wtf are you talking about?
Also moron he said prior to a race, a radom post run smoothie with one banana doesnt disprove anything. Grow a brain.

>>42857477
>ketogenic
Heart disease... please stop promoting it.

>There has only been one study ever done measuring actual blood flow to the heart muscles of people eating low-carb diets.
>Those sticking to the vegetarian diet showed a reversal of their heart disease as expected.
>What happened to those who abandoned the treatment diet, and switched over to the low-carb diet? >Their condition significantly worsened. 40% to 50% more artery clogging at the end of the year.

https://nutritionfacts.org/2015/05/19/low-carb-diets-and-coronary-blood-flow/

There's no reason to advocate this shit. You're encouraging death. Heart disease is our leading killer. Let's not race towards it.

>>42895687
do peanutbutter keto then

>>42895423
no sugar added
all naturel

>>42895584
>Banana smoothie offseason

>Low ( 150-200) carbs pre race

This dude is never in ketosis man .

Also yes a bell pepper isn't lot of carbs , but if you eats tons of not lots of sugar bell pepper & tons of not full of sugar zucchini & tons of not full of sugar potatoes ( oh wait hmmmm) it ends up at the end of the day , and did you forget the part were Soluble fibers ( so most of the berries fibers , most of the avocado fibers , most of the zucchini & tomatoes fibers ) are highly fermentable fiber which count for around 0.4-0.5 g of carbs each ?

>>42895718
>>Low ( 150-200) carbs pre race
i still havent seen any proof for this. Again that blog post was from 2013, the video was from 2015. learn how time works please.
>>Banana smoothie offseason
1 banana is still low carb dude
>This dude is never in ketosis man
He never said he was. He said high fat low carb. Your arguing against something that doesnt exists.
>that paragraph
Again, LOW CARB. Never said no carb, he said low carb.

>>42895710
youre making the smoothie yourself with real mango?

>>42895707
Why? There is no reason. I have abs already because I don't eat weird fatty "food." It's normal to be lean if you eat normal shit.

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ITT: cucks trying to bash fasting without posting any evidence or counter argument whatsoever

>Enjoy your shitty 10 meal/day meme diet fads brainlets, while I shed my last few percentages of unwanted bf while maintaining muscle mass and having the mental clarity of a man made god

Try harder fucksticks

>>42895780
its a pure mango extract yeah

you need fruit to ease in the digesting after a long fast

>>42895813
Why not eat a mango? Our ancestots ate over 100g of fiber a day. You've got trillions of gut bacteria that need fiber to live.

>>42895813
>its a pure mango extract yeah
wtf does this mean?
>you need fruit to ease in the digesting after a long fast
this is 100% untrue which is why im bothering you. You want no carbs or sugar. You want veggies and fat.

>>42895803
How long do you typically fast for

>>42895803
Show me one hypertrophy or excercise science specialist that promotes fasting.
Plus, the way most posts ITT read it really doesn't seem that people know what the fuck they're doing.

Fasting for multiple days straight with water only and 0 supplementation is retarded and should only be done with the supervision of an actual physician.

>>42894449
Before fasting. I had surgery to get the nodule removed in March 2016 and have been IF since June this year so they aren't related to each other.
I do have a hiatus hernia as well, but the doctor told me it isn't related to that either.

>>42895869
It depends.
Nowadays Im doing 3 day fast followed by 1-2 day refeed, then repeat.
Before that I've been doing IF 18/6 for months which helped a lot to lose weight (unlike CICO)
But now I'm gonna do a 7 day one to lose the last remaining bf, then back to IF with slow "bulk"

>>42895853
>You want veggies
You mean carbs? Yes our body needs carbs.


>fat
You mean fatty acids? Yes our body needs that and vegetables have plenty.

There's no reason to clog one's arteries.

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>>42895512
>>42895512
>samefag
Calm down ketobaby.

>>42895770
Have you seen any proof that the guy is actually on a ketogenic state?

>>42895803
My counter argument is that fasting for whole days is retarded and not practised by anyone who actually wins at olympic sports.
>10 meals a day is bad
For starters almost no one actually eats that many times a day, not even brainlet gymbros.
>maintaining muscle mass with consecutive days of fasting
lmao no
also good luck getting your nutrition in check while literally starving yourself off micronutrients.
inb4 muh supplements though

>>42895910
Dude, no one is talking about BUILDING muscle or hitting insane new PRs during fasting.
It is a shortcut/cheatcode to shed fat with retaining muscle mass relatively quickly

>>42896051
The point is that you're literally more catabolic than if you would be just eating less food in general and not have to do meme shit like fasting for whole days.

>>42896021
>You mean carbs? Yes our body needs carbs.
its almost non existant compared to what most people consider carbs, pasta and rice
>You mean fatty acids? Yes our body needs that and vegetables have plenty.

no they dont, post a source
>>42896045
>>samefag
???
You clicked the same post twice you moron
>Have you seen any proof that the guy is actually on a ketogenic state?
I never said he was you idiot, neither did he. He said high fat low carb.
>>42896076
this isnt true though. Post a study showing this.

>>42896045
You should read the bloody op, even the fucking graph in OP disproves your muscle loss meme.
But I'm still waiting for sources...

Oh wait. It is a lot easier to enter a thread which you clearly have no interest in, then shit it up with your non sense mom science bullshit

>I tip my fedora to you my good sir! >Upvoted!

>>42896051
>retaining muscle mass while NOT EATING ANYTHING
Even retaining muscle mass on a hypocaloric diet is difficult, what makes you think eating even less than "little" is better for maintaining your muscle?

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>>42896130
>graph in the op
which is from where exactly? an actually cited scientific study that looks at actual myofibrillar muscle protein synthesis and breakdown and overall muscle protein balance during whole consecutive days of fasting in a human model or just some bullshit blog from some quack doctor pushing forward cult like meme "diets"?

>>42896087
>this isnt true though. Post a study showing this.
Ok.

http://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0029/ea0029P1163.htm

>>42896153
Because you'll be fasting for a way shorter amount of time than you'll be normally cutting. And the HGH release also helps with keeping the muscles.

>>42896087
>calls me samefag
>prove to him I'm not
Are you lost?

>>42896257
HGH changes is irrelevant, it gets spiked on a fasted state in order to cope with your pathetic insulin levels.
Insulin is miles more anabolic than HGH.

>>42896153
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11147801/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4895001/

Just the 2 random studies out of dozen done on the subject

Also: Fasting != Calorie restriction/Starvation mode

>>42896286
Insulin is also the one reason why people become fat and gives a wide range of negative effects.

>The hypoglycemia (pathologically low glucose levels) that resulted from ICT made patients extremely restless, sweaty, and liable to further convulsions and "after-shocks". In addition, patients invariably emerged from the long course of treatment "grossly obese".[5] The most severe risks of insulin coma therapy were death and brain damage, resulting from irreversible or prolonged coma respectively.[1][6] A study at the time claimed that many of the cases of brain damage were actually therapeutic improvement because they showed "loss of tension and hostility".[12] Mortality risk estimates varied from about one percent[2] to 4.9 percent.[13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_shock_therapy

>>42896269
you didnt prove anything, and you clicked my post twice for some reason
>>42896248
>http://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0029/ea0029P1163.htm
Do you even understand the study you just posted?
It has nothing to do with what you originally said. Show me a study that shows you lose more muscle fasting rather than just calorie restricting, cause in case youre two stoopid to realise it, the study you posted doesnt show that at all.

>>42896286
>HGH changes is irrelevant

:DDDDDDD

OK, it's time to stop posting kid.

It clear you are just spewing nonsense.
Fuck off, lurk and educate yourself

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>>42896327
>Insulin is also the one reason why people become fat and gives a wide range of negative effects.

In clinical trials done on actual people where their diet is actually controlled, people who eat low fat and have higher rates of insulin lose MORE fat, despite being OBESE and SEDENTARY.

>>42896289
Literally from the first study you linked, pic related.

>>42896407
If you think a small rise in HGH is gonna make up for your shitty diet you're beyond delusional.
HGH rises all the time when insulin goes down.
HGH rises when you're in a fasted state during your sleep.
Your simpleton simplistic view of human biology makes me laugh.
Separating single excreted circulating hormones in the human body and making a big deal out of a small difference in increase or reduction in its concentration is retarded without looking at OTHER hormones.

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>>42896327
>Insulin makes you fat
Oops

>>42896045
>not practised by anyone who actually wins at olympic sports.

>>42896327
>Citing an example of a therapy that requires the use of exogenous insulin shots into patients
>shooting insulin, a blood glucose depleting hormone, in copious ammounts into patients made them go through hypoglycemia
Wow, who would've thought.

>>42896087
>no they dont, post a source
Of course plants have fatty acids.

Foods highest in Total Omega-3 fatty acids (based on levels per 200-Calorie serving)
http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-011140000000000000000.html?maxCount=217

Looks like mostly plants there. We don't need to eat oil dor any reason. It ain't food.

>>42896518
>Literally from the first study you linked, pic related.
It says without GH you idiot. They suppressed their GH.

>>42893677
Look at American prisoners of war or holocaust survivors. None of them have loose skin.

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>>42896776
No, that is WITHOUT EXOGENOUS GH, read the whole study.

8 subjects were examined on four occasions.
1. before fasting
2. after 40h of fasting
3. after 40h of fasting with suppression of GH
4. after 40h of fasting with exogenous GH replacement

In the state BEFORE fasting muscle protein breakdown was at 17+/-4, after 40h of fasting it was at 26+/-9, after 40h of fasting with GH suppression it was at 33 +/-7, after 40h of fasting with exogenous GH it was at 25+/-6 nmol/min.

Again, read the study you linked.

>>42896602
PEDRO GET YOUR ASS BACK IN THE DISCORD FFS

>>42896869
I didnt post it, but did you read it?
>These results demonstrate that GH-possibly by maintenance of circulating concentrations of free IGF-I--is a decisive component of protein conservation during fasting and provide evidence that the underlying mechanism involves a decrease in muscle protein breakdown.

>>42897131
Yes , a decrease in MPB , it's high , it get a bit lower thanks to GH , it's still high as fuck .

Thinking about doing IF, how does this look for a window?

95:1
?

>>42897195
Are you obese?

>>42897272
No, 200 at 5'9

just broke my fast on day 6. dunno if i needed to do a refeed period because i don't know if a week is a long time to fast. anyway the past week has been weird because i didn't shit until today and it was liquid shit. and i had to go to the toilet twice. then once i ate a meal i went and did a shit again.

gonna go back to intermittent fasting for a bit before trying to do another week long fast.

Anyone have info on cholesterol levels during a long term fast?