Sup bretherns As a early intermediate with >le 1/2/3/4 achieved,

I'd go 4 Day upper lower rather than 4 Day push pull

That's mainly because I really like the superset+ core format Brian alsruhe is a proponent of.

>>42837690
Yeah truly toke that into consideration, however i dont really now how to structure diddlies without interfering with heavy back training (weighted chins, pendlay) Got any advice?

>>42837477
Would a PPL program be good for aesthetics?
I'm thinking on push days

OHP
Bench
Flat bench dumbbell press
Dumbbell Shoulder press
Lat raises
Facepulls
Clapping Pushups to failure

Pull days
Deadlifts
Barbell rows
T bar rows
Lat pulldowns
Close grip cable rows
Pull ups to failure or lat pulldowns to failure

Legs
Squats
Lunges
Leg press
Extensions
Curls
Straight leg deadlifts
Calves

>>42837777
Push pull legs really isn't enough frequency for a natty to acquire any kind of "aesthetics" as you say. 2x a week frequency bare minium.
Doing pplXppl on the contrary burns you out really quickly

>>42837812
Holy shit I just realized I got quads.
And well shit. What should I do then? My torso is really lacking. When it comes to legs I'm a leg day guy so I can definitely get them to grow asap but for torso I've always fucked myself up.

Anything you recommend?

>>42837723
I just accept a slightly fatigued upper back, because unless I'm pulling above 92-95% my upper back can usually cope just fine without any rounding the day after training hard.

I also slightly fudge the lines and do my heaviest back work on lower day, so it looks a bit like this

U1
Bench +Row + obliques
Ohp variant + chins + obliques
Press ups + db rows
Arm circuit

L1
Front Squat + abs
Pause Squat + abs
Pause DL + abs
Snatch grip rack pull (heaviest upper back training, which strictly should be on u1)
Face pulls

Rest

U2
Ohp variant + chin + obliques
dB bench variant + dB row
dB pressing + lat pulldown
Arm circuit

L2
Heavy squat (5rm)
DL (3-5*5) + abs
SGRP + abs
Unilateral Lower body + face pulls

Effectively means that I can train my upper back really often, and it just seems to thrive on the extra volume and frequency

>>42837812
Maybe if you manage your workload and are strategically placing in light work it could happen