Is the Keto diet the real deal? Do carbs cause fat more

>>42813206

Keto allows weight loss if you eat less calories than you expend. Any diet does. Keto's just an unhealthy way to do it.

>>42813206

Putting butter on top of that is disgusting.

Eggs and bacon are good for breakfast. Lots of protein, not heavy on calories.

Keto increases the % of protein in your diet, and makes it hard (by restricting carbs) to mass calories.

You should do the latter without doing the former, carbs are great for energy.

>>42813226
That's not butter

>>42813226
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brie

>>42813217
The French have like 50% of their calories from fat. Incidence of cardiovascular disease is low.
>>42813226
>Keto increases the % of protein in your diet
Not the goal of keto. The goal is to get into ketosis, which means avoiding the synthesis of glucose for energy. Which means low carb intake and moderate protein intake. Too much protein on keto means excess protein is turned into glucose.

>>42813206
So-called 'keto' diet is just another form of Extremism, and as such should be avoided.

Just LIMIT carb intake, you'll lose weight, and without bonking constantly during any sort of physical activity.

Basically don't go below 30% of your total caloric intake being carbs, and stay away from simple carbs.

Would a 40/40/20 - Protein/Fat/Carbs split count as Keto or is Keto literally no carbs?

>>42813290
Anon, stop buying into extreme diets.

>>42813269
ya the french also MOVE THEIR FUCKING ASSES AFTER THEY EAT and BASICALLY UR RETARDED

>>42813269

>The French have like 50% of their calories from fat. Incidence of cardiovascular disease is low.

They also love white bread and cigarettes. There's other reasons for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxBk_76Q8BU

Keto should work as long as you're under your calorie requirements, but investing in fat rather than protein will hinder any attempt to gain muscle while losing weight.

you have to try really hard not to notice that everybody who looks good eats carbs and that people who advocate keto are still overweight or skinnyfat

Keto is a fucking meme

>>42813307
>>42813290
this

>>42813206
Works for me, I go on the diet for about a month to finish off my cuts. Definitely not for everyone but if you're disciplined enough the results come, I have a hard time getting into the 10-12% BF range without it

i dont recommend keto because its a fucking unhealthy meme diet, but it does work mostly because youre seriously limiting the amount of calories you can consume. my gf is on keto and even though shes losing weight, shes got no energy, cant shit, and is fucking up her menstural cycle. she is convinced ALL carbs are bad even though i explain sugar and complex carbs from whole foods are not at all the same thing -- shes just nutritionally retarded.

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>>42813519
I advocate keto kys yourself

>>42813519
>>42813734
someone post photo of ketard with loose saggy skin who asked for advice couple days ago

>>42813206
Look up what the rock eats. A piece of chicken or steak or cod, some potato or yam carbs, and 2 cups of veggies 5 times a day. No extreme diet, can prepare all this yourself the day before too.

>>42813652
Why don't you beat some sense into her?

>>42813794
Post any picture of a fat person who lost weight that doesn't have loose skin

I've been on the keto for >10 years and I'm healthy as fuck. I initially used it to lose 100lbs and never stopped.

>>42813734
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>>42813519
>>42813734
>>42813652
I also advocate keto. Your GF is probably not eating enough and needs more medium chain triglycerides and fiber. I have more energy, build easily, cut easily, and feel all around normal if not better than when I ate high protein, high complex carbs. Doesn't mess with my menstrual cycle. If anything it makes symptoms more mild. If you do keto you have to do it right.

>>42813336
Does OP not move his ass when he goes to the gym?

>>42813933
i would, but i dont wanna go to jail.

>>42813290
keto is 4:1 fat_calories:non-fat_calories
what you listed, assumign thats grams, is 3:2 or 1.5:1

i.e. not even close, fucking retard

>>42813206
Keto, like other marketing constructs, is just a "shortcut diet" marketing paradigm. Can you lose weight eating keto? sure. Can you gain weight eating keto? Also yes.

You've gotta eat less and move more to lose weight.

Also the amount of keto scams out there are insane.

I worked at the coffee wholesaler which provides the bulletproof coffee guy with his beans? It's literally a breakfast blend that he puts his stamps on. Fucking idiots paying out the nose they could buy five pound bags from our website for the same price if they did any amount of research.

>>42814786
to be fair to the guy, the whole thing about his special toxin-free beans isn't about keto. he doesn't say you need his beans or even any coffee at all to be keto. so it's not a keto scam.

and there might be something to it. i started getting a rashon my scalp. after going through many things, i realised it was somethign abotu my cheap supermarket brand ground coffee. maybe something abotu how it was harvested/processed (a certain chemical i ad a sensitvity to? a certain pesticide?) or just a certain quality that bean had. i switched to a different brand, and the rash is now gone.

i still wouldn't buy his standard $19 bags of coffee (that's just ridiculous), but i think there is truth to toxins/sensitivities. not all beans are grown the same, nor are they processed the same.

>>42813206
Keto is great, don't listen to carb sympathizers

>>42814786
>marketing constructs

To sell fucking what? Belly pork shares? Because 95% of the supermarkets become dead zones on keto.

I'm down 31 pounds in just over a month and a half on keto (two protein shakes a day made with almond milk, whey, and full cream, and a meat + veggies meal with a fatty sauce) and am managing to do more exercise than I ever had before in my life.

I'm not staying on it once I hit my desired weight. I'd literally kill a man for a Big Mac. But I can't argue against how effective it is. It's also good for training self discipline.

Do not do it if you have low bile production.
>no gallbladder
>lazy ass liver
>oily, smelly, runny shits on more than 15-20% fat

>>42813206
Idk im about to try it out. I was fat most of my life, when i turned 18 (27 now) i got into mma and got into a healthy and good looking figure at about 190. Im looking to get back to that, and im at 255ish now. Back in december i was 305 and thats when i had a bit of a wakeup call that its important to me for how i view myself to be in shape again, at the ideal weight i liked myself at. I made some small changes to diet and lost went from 300 to 260 super easily over about 4ish months. The hardest thing for me I consume that is shit for me is alcohol. My dads been into fitness his whole life, from body building to being a gym trainer for a bit. Its basically been like, his main hobby throughout his life and he only reads books and watchs videos on stuff like this. Hes been doing it for i think 2 years now (honestly not sure but its been awhile) and he says its great. He warned me about something called Keto Fever and gave me some good resources, just got back from the market and me and my gf are gonna try it for about 2 weeks and see how we do. If it doesnt feel like we are on a diet (we dont really like diets they generally dont work, its gotta be a lifestyle change) then we are gonna try it for about 3 months. I guess I can let you all know how its going for me, as a mostly unbiased viewpoint. Im somewhat skeptical myself but.. well see.

>>42817948

>breaks free
>could kill for shitty sandwich that is designed to keep you addicted
>not enjoying a life free of addicting food
>voluntarily going back to be a carb slave

ngmi

>>42817948
>I'm not staying on it once I hit my desired weight.
I've been there, done that. You're going to gain most or all of the weight back if you do that.

>>42813206
Ketoer here - and without waffling on, yes it works, yes it's relatively easy and the main benefit is that once you're about two weeks in, the hunger from combining it with moderate IF is VERY moderate as long as you chug a lot of water.

Would highly recommend.

At the very least, you're most likely eating less calories on it. Carbs are heavy in calories and can be addicting. Refined sugar also does shit things to your body. All of that being said, you're not going to know how you feel on a diet until you personally try it. Everyone is built differently and reacts to diets differently.

>>42813206
No, a calorie surplus does make your body gain fat.
Also dietary fats are most likely to be stored as body fat.
If you eat more fat your body uses more fat. If you eat more carbs it uses more carbs. Surplus makes you gain and a deficit lose mass.
Simple as that.
Don't cut out makros because of some meme.
Only purpose of keto diet for an athlete is to reach very low bf and get a dry look. For example, for the last two weeks before a Bodybuilding show.
This however will make you weaker and also look slightly flat which is why Bodybuilders do a small carbload and pump themselves up before they go to the stage.
Eric Helms, Lyle McDonald, Alan Aragon and so on do not recommend it, especially for performance reasons or only for short term (reason above)

>>42819908

>Carbs are heavy in calories and can be addicting.

Junk food =/= carbs

>>42819988
Also studies have shown that there is no advantage of a low carb to a low fat diet for fat loss.
However weightloss is bigger on a low carb diet for the first two to three weeks due to water retention.
But after 5 to 6 weeks it is the same.
Only thing that counts is the deficit and to keep Protein intake high.

Keto is slightly more muscle sparing. But its still about calories in > calories out

>>42813217
Keto isnt unhealthy faggot

>>42817948
if you lost 31 pounds in 1.5 months (read: over 5 lbs a week) that means that you're fucking obese (no offense) and could lose weight putting on your pants. doesn't mean there's something special about keto.

>>42813276
t. Fatass

>>42814757
Thats not what ketosis is

>>42819471
t. Fatass

>>42820070
>he STILL believes this
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fed-fasted-state/

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Keto is a meme. Calories in, calories out.

>>42820481
Ya. Its true

>>42813336
>ya the french also MOVE THEIR FUCKING ASSES AFTER THEY EAT and BASICALLY UR RETARDED
French and Italians don't really do much sports, eat a fuckload of calories, fat AND carbs (especially flour as white as possible) and still manage to be among the thinnest populations in Europe, and in case of Italy, the healthiest country in the whole world.

Nobody knows why, either.

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>>42820481
Dr dung is an hack trying to sell books .

>>42813734
You also do steroids. Come on, those delts, the upper chest, who are you trying to bullshit here?

>>42817948
>To sell fucking what? Belly pork shares?
Keto diet books, you retard.

>>42820700
It's because we eat small portion

>>42820632
Well obviously you still need a deficit

>>42819908
>Carbs are heavy in calories
Wrong.

>and can be addicting.
Also wrong.

Lemme guess, you're American.

>>42820718
May be, but I dunno. Last time I've been to Italy was in the 90s and your portions didn't seem smaller than say, German portions (I'm German so i would know).

I was diagnosed as a type 2 diabetic about 6 months ago. I've already dropped 27kg and normalized my blood sugar.

I'm eating low carb high fat, but not keto. Should I just go keto? Should I balance my diet more and eat lower fat but slightly more carbs and higher protein?

I don't want to do this long term, but I do want my new diet to be able to not fuck my blood sugar so I'm really worried about carbs.

>>42813206
Keto diets the one kid, if your a meat lover it's for you man, it's just a case of swapping, breads and pasta for fibre or veg. I know it allows you to have whole meal pastas an brown rice but I have had either. Dropped from 96kg to 88kg in a week an half maintained lifts. Feeling much better for it not bloated not tired, had a cheat day over the weekend felt like shit, not even bothering with it next weekend, maybe half a beer, don't want to be a freak about it.

>>42820730
The fat is literally what caused your insulin resistance in the first place , it literally clogged the pipe , you just stopped using the sink by going low carb .
This is the ultimate Redpill on keto diabete reversal properties , EVERYONE who says "fixed their beetus" by going keto get even higher blood sugar spike than before when they re-introduce carbs in their diet .

Just because your glycated hemoglobin is lower doesn't means your insulin resistance is lowered , it just means you stopped eating carbs.
A clean low Gi carbs and low fat diet slowly re-build up your insulin sensitivity and allow you to REALLY fix the beetus, unclog the fucking pipe and stop being afraid of turning on the water , and for the love of god stop throwing lard and coconut oil in it .

>>42813206
>Do carbs cause fat

No retard, fat causes fat.

>>42820762
I understand body fat contributes to diabetes, but I'm losing body fat.

Do you mean they consuming dietary fat is the cause of diabetes? In what way? I'm eating more fat now than I was before, and my blood sugar and A1C are significantly better.

I get that you are saying that that is because I'm no longer eating carbs in large amounts, which I assume is true (it is why I stopped eating them). But I'm having trouble with how fat connects to diabetes, exacerbating it. I was under the impression that was body fat interfering with organ function, not consumption of fat in the diet?

>>42820791
High fat meals means that it needs to be transported in the blood , usually resulting in thicker blood and impaired blood flow , which cause a need for more insulin when you ingest carbs .

On top of that high fat diet correlate with more intramuscular lipids which also hinder the glucose uptake of the muscle .

But yeah being fat in general is the worst things because it means both of the thing I mentioned above are usually higher no matter what kind of diet you have .

>>42814165
what are your macros, anon?

test

>>42820791
> I'm eating more fat now than I was before, and my blood sugar and A1C are significantly better.

It has been the same for me, anon. Try watching the fathead docu, they are sort of explaining this in the movie and it does make a lot of sense to me. I used to do a lot of cardio but I consumed carbs quite a lot. I was hungry, fat, unhappy and whats worse - addicted to sugar.

I've lost 20kg without much effort, I'm lean, I don't really get hunger pains and I'm overall more balanced.

>>42821059
I only count macros when I'm doing a+ lean, high protein and carb cut. I've noticed my body is pretty good at telling me what it needs in keto. If I'm feeling sluggish, I'm know didn't eat enough fats in the day and will take a scoop or 2 of coconut oil. Because of protein powders I can probably put my daily protein intake at about 130-150g/day (I weight 165 lbs so that's pretty appropriate).

>>42820764
People like you should be shot for spreading misinformation. Fat does not make you fat you dipshit, neither do carbs. Eating more calories than you burn make you fat.

>>42821669
Eating more calories than you burn causes you to store the fat you eat.

>>42821683
the point is if you're at a deficit it doesn't matter

>>42821691
In the event of a caloric surplus it's the fat that makes you fat, which is what I meant from the start and you must be a special kind of retard to not assume this as a given.

>>42821683
So if I eat at a surplus but I only eat carbs the carbs are magically transported out of my body?

Smh senpai

>>42821715
Fat isn't making you fat, a caloric surplus eas. Go eat over your TDEE in high carb low fat food and you'll gain just as much weight as if you were overeating high fat low carb food.

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>>42821722
Yes.

>>42821722
They'll turn to fat , with a piss poor conversion rate because almost all the energy is lost as heat during the conversion .

>>42820707
Keep memeing yourself bud

>>42813226
>thinking brie cheese is butter
just americans

>>42813206
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/48/2/240.short
carbs making you fat is a huge meme

>>42813206
its alsways about calories. There is literally no fucking metabolic advantage to keto. The only argument I hear about keto benefits, its that your blood sugar goes down since you don't consume carbs which is incredibly stupid is that context. Protein has also an Glycemic Index and Protein still gives a similar insulin response as carbs. So now you are down to fat, your bodys least favorite energy source.

ALL High Carb people I've seen are lean as fuck while the only keto people I've seen are either red and smell bad or look like they are about to die.

But to be honest you lose weight on both extreme diets. The real benefit of keto is that it helps suppress appetite which helps you not go into an calorie defecit. On the other hand the high carb diet works differently. Before you are aple to gain weight on a high carb diet, you need to heavily overconsume on carbs and even if you consume to much, carbs still need to been turned into fat first which takes a lot of energy. In the end only 70% of your overconsumed carbs turn to fat.

Keto is usually high in processed fat and processed meat with high sodium (like cheese, salami, bacon...). If you are able to do a keto without that unhealthy shit, you will be healthy. High carb on the other hand has a lot more benefits. Not only do your energy levels rise much higher than they ever could on a keto, you also are able to reverse CAD, improve colesterol levels, better almost cureable diabetes, better skin, better teath and a lot more (I would encourage to do research on this on your own).

Good luck.

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>>42813206
It's semi-legit. Food messes with your leptin, cortisol etc. depending on the macros and fiber. It's just a supplement to your willpower and it's too complicated to know WTF you are doing without the diet being full-retard like keto. Just avoid sugar and try to not carb-bomb yourself unless it is on purpose for a refeed or something. Everything will fuck you up in excess. Be nice to your organs, including your kidneys, and run a defecit/surplus, that's it.

>>42813226
What is cholesterol

>>42821890
A sterol.

>>42821923
It causes cholera.

all the ppl here who saying keto is not working or just a meme are fucking Liars i know it because i know how many weak minded ppl in fit ....
for keto diet you need commitment , most ppl here are fatties and self-relinquishment so they don't know shit .
give it a try op only you can know if its works for you or not .

>>42820701
nice debunk bro

>>42821938
You are always burning fat & carbs at the same time in different proportion , anyone who says otherwise is retardedly uninformed of lying on purpose .

all the ppl here who saying keto is not working or just a meme are fucking Liars i know it because i know how many weak minded ppl in fit ....
for keto diet you need commitment , most ppl here are fatties and self-relinquishment so they don't know shit .
give it a try op only you can know if its works for you or not .

all the ppl here who saying keto is not working or just a meme are fucking Liars i know it because i know how many weak minded ppl in fit ....
for keto diet you need commitment , most ppl here are fatties and self-relinquishment so they don't know shit .
give it a try op only you can know if its works for you or not .

>>42821966
How long you've been on it?

>>42813206
Keto is retarded for the general public that doesn't have neurological and metabolic disorders.

Low carb has merit, but eating a shit ton of saturated fats and cholesterol for no reason is retarded.
Eat some fucking peanuts instead of eating so much butter you absolute cretins.

>>42821975
never ....
just don't like to listen to unknowledgeable people.
first rule is to try it and than give your opinion on it

>>42821999
>never

Moving on...

>>42822002
all the ppl here who saying keto is not working or just a meme are fucking Liars i know it because i know how many weak minded ppl in fit ....
for keto diet you need commitment , most ppl here are fatties and self-relinquishment so they don't know shit .
give it a try op only you can know if its works for you or not .

>>42814013
> never eating carbs ever

lmao at your life. you must be fucking miserable.

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>>42814013
Imagine going through life permanently bonked.

>>42813652
>shes got no energy, cant shit
She is an idiot. If you have low energy past the first two weeks, you should be taking magnesium and potassium supplements. If she can't shit, maybe she should eat more vegetables, or at least add supplemental fiber. Written literally in any keto FAQ out there.

>lost 30 pounds but I'm still so fat I can't even tell a difference in my own appearance
How did it get this bad, lads?

>>42813206
keto is superior diet with many advantages over standard diet

>better blood sugar control
>better hormonal profile

>>42813652
>explain sugar and complex carbs from whole foods are not at all the same thing

they are same for your body - energy
unironically you are the retard in your relationship

>>42822101
>meme number one
>meme number two

>>42822118
>Fructose & glucose are metabolized in the same way

>>42817948

Pork is more expensive than rice or corn or potatoes.
The most expensive whole foods are fruits and vegetables and meats.

>>42819514
>I've been there, done that.

Shouldn't have stuffed your face full of chocolate, imbecile. The only weight you get back after dropping keto is water weight, a few pounds.

>>42822118
For starters fiber is a carb and added up in the carb total in food labels despite having basically 0 net calories.
Sugar has less calories than starches or non-sugary/fiber carbs.
Specific kinds of sugar like lactose are slowly metabolized in the human body unlike fructose or sucrose or glucose.

>Le calories in calories out meme

Sure, calories are a good way to estimate bodyweight change, but 3000 calories from protein is less fattening than 3000 calories from fat.

>>42822129
>science
>meme

lmao

>>42822311
Read the science you're alluding to sometime.

>our studies have shown that compared to obese fucks on a high-fat, high-sugar diet, lowcarb patients exhibited better blood sugar and hormonal profile
>this study was funded in full by the American Meat&Dairy Association

>>42813734
Ripped but still looking like shit. It's an achievement on its own.

>>42817948
>Literally

>>42819471
You sound like a fatso with no self control or even moderation

>>42813519
Because that is the diet someone who is fat should go on. "Hehe the only people I see using this fat loss diet are fat people, I see no thin people doing this it must not work"

Fuck lad.

>>42821938
His statement is 100% wrong and he should know better. And so should you.

>>42822458
Sour grapes dude keep coping

>>42821747
75-90% are converted to fat idiot

>>42821806
>carbs making you fat is a huge meme
From that exact study you posted:
"When the glycogen stores are saturated, massive intakes of carbohydrate are disposed of by high carbohydrate-oxidation rates and substantial de novo lipid synthesis"
>substantial de novo lipid synthesis
Translated: "substantial new fat production". And where do you think this new fat goes, if you're not using enough energy? Especially with high insulin signalling to fatcells to take in blood lipids?

>>42822614
ahahaha

>>42813276
Extremism is a made up word used to denounce people you don't agree with

>>42820724
And how sugar is not addictive?
Endorphin levels rise significantly when anticipating sugary food, like, the same things (though not as strong) that happens with anticipating a shoot up among heroin addicts.

>>42823135
Endorphin levels also rise when you accomplish a task, you know, like feeding.

This is retarded.

>>42823135
How is water?

>>42820814
>intramuscular lipids
are caused by refined foods like sugar I think
the liver has to deal with those quickly since they get into the blood really fast. So it starts to store more and more fat. First in fat tissue and then just leaves it in itself. That causes the fat liver syndrome that alcoholics experience for same reasons as people consuming lots of fructose.
So I assume accumulation of fat in muscle might be caused by the same thing. Fat is processed in completely different manner than carbs.

>>42821747
What is fat liver disease.
What is diabetes.

>>42823275
>>42823293
Are levels the same when fixing your sink and snorting coke?

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Here are some videos that might be interesting to both opponents, advocates of keto and fasting and especially illiterate in matters of metabolism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S6-v37nOtY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHaCKudtVi0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_4Q9Iv7_Ao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcMBm-UVdII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APZCfmgzoS0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dan8qtgQRi8

>>42823738
Oh boy, more keto misinformation.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHaCKudtVi0&t=50s
>"maybe what really happened is the dietary advice we've been given doesn't work"

How would you know since it's never been tried?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTB0kBunT1M

>>42823815
Try other videos for broader picture.

>>42823951
Why, I open the first one and within a minute I'm told lies.

>>42823967
As I said - for broader picture.
If you have no desire to do this then do whatever you want, I'm not here to convince somebody who is already determined not to try to understand.

>>42823738
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcMBm-UVdII [Embed]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APZCfmgzoS0 [Embed]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dan8qtgQRi8 [Embed]

this is your source of reliable information? how were you ever able to grow out of age 12.

>>42824078
How is this a critique? Address the points made in video and then it will be valuable critique.

It's effective for fat loss.

I was too weak on it.

>>42819514

Nah bro, been trained into counting calories, and didn't say I wouldn't diet at all. I just don't see the need to stay on something as aggressive as keto.

>>42819849

Yeah, I'm drinking near 2 litres of water a day, and since then my cravings for food have mostly passed. I've even managed to drop the protein shakes at this point. I'm fasting, generally, til my main meal.

>>42820152

245ish to 200. Obese down to just Overweight, and still going. I'm making it bro, sorry if that triggers you.

>>42820717
>What is the internet and billions of fucking free articles, forums, and JewTube videos.

>>42821845

I don't know enough to argue, I only know Keto is working for me, and I'm learning self discipline and to count calories.

>>42822135

Here, pork is (along with chicken) cheap as fuck compared to other meats. But yeah, fruit and veggies are expensive as fuck, the only saving grace being that I'm no longer buying all the shit I used to eat like cheescake, fast food, and a pack of beer every few days.

>>42822031
>liking carbs

Carbs are shitty filler

>>42820700
they walk a lot

>>42824114
>just watch 45+ minutes of reductionist cherry picked bullshit and get back to me
>rather than read a whole study in less than 5 minutes
just link actual studies man these are second and third hand sources there's no telling how much misrepresentation is going on without them.

Wait does keto not have to do workouts and just be couch potato? Because whatever diet thing will work as long as you be active?

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>>42813226
> butter

>>42826759

Nah. HIIT is a bad idea, but you can still lift and do a moderate amount of cardio. I'm managing to do beginner gains and lifts and then half an hour on an exercise bike on keto, at a <1000 deficit. I assume my body is using the fat burned to replace the carbs I'm not taking in.

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>>42826557
They're the best ones.

>>42826948
Shit graph, arbitrary y axis units and satiety isn't the same for all foods for all people, with huge disparities

>>42826963
Present a better one.

>>42827026
Go suck off a potato

>>42813206
Any diet with a calorie deficit will lead to weight loss. You could eat donuts all day and lose weight assuming it is a calorie deficit.

Eating bacon and eggs with butter slathered on it every day is a good way to develop coronary heart disease.

>>42813206
Carbs cause hangry making it much easier to not overeat without them

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>>42821683
Zombie Jesus help me, I can't handle all the fucking stupidity in this thread. I'm a molecular biologist and let me tell you all one thing, about 95% of the comments in this thread are fucking retarded.
You don't store the fat that you eat as is. Stored fat is synthesised from acetyl-CoA which can come from any macro. Dietary fat is chemically not the same as the fat which we store (for the most part).
The only 'problem' with the keto diet that is valid is that your brain strictly requires glucose, and if you don't eat enough proteins/carbs then skeletal muscle will be broken down for glycosynthesis. If you avoid this one pitfall by eating some carbs, or eating more protein then you'll be good.

Read a fucking textbook you mongoloids before you spew some bullshit you read in a diet book and pass off like it's an informed opinion on the matter. Big fucking clue: the guy not selling you shit but trying to teach you is going to give you the best advice.
http://watcut.uwaterloo.ca/webnotes/Metabolism/Fat.html#sec-fattyAcidSynthesis

>>42828011
You'd hope that people who are fitness enthusiasts would have a better understanding of nutrition but alas, here you are being a retard.

>>42829943
Finally someone who isn't just blowing a bunch of broscience out of his ass

>>42814165
WHOAHHHHH HAHAHXD YOU LOOK GOOOOOOOD HAHA DONT DO KET OTHOUTH DONT DOOO IITTTT

>>42829943
how many carbs should I take at 175cm/114kg while still maintaining ketosis, I usually get 60-100g but most sites say I should be under 50g, I'm also doing OMAD getting around 1000-1500kcal/day when eating

I've been on keto for about a month but the insomnia is killing me. Anyone else had insomnia on keto? I feel good otherwise but I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.

>>42831005
If you're eating 60-100g carbs a day with no exercise you're not in ketosis

>>42829943
You're talking about a single isolated reaction, how about some studies on the whole process of de novo lipogenesis, its prevalence and efficiency in humans.

>>42822031
My life is great. Being disciplined about my diet has carried over to other pursists in my life.

Also, I eat cheat meals when being a keto autist isn't possible (i.e. when out with friends).

>>42822045
The body can great at adapting to a diet and my energy levels are fine. I actually feel like shit after eating large amounts of carbs.

>>42828011
I've been eating shitty food at a 700 cal deficit for the last year and my weight hasn't changed.

>>42813734
Would look great if it wasnt for the twink frame. Kinda obvious that you are on the juice when your delt is about as wide as your waist, your body wasnt made to build any muscle

>>42833158
You're shit at math then.

>>42820183
>>42822526

Ex fatass to be exact. And pretty happy with it.

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Carbs cause a spike in bloodsugar and insulin. Depending on how highly and often you spike it, you may experience an "addicting" effect similar to sugar. This becomes quite obvious after abstaining from carbs more than a few days.

Insulin is the driver of all gains (Both muscle and fat) and is best spiked around excercise. Insulin doesnt discriminate, spike it and it will shove protein and fat into your cells - whichever is readily available and fitting.

Spike it when your protein synthesis is low at evenings - you gain fat. Spike it after a workout togheter with protein intake - you gain muscle.

Also, the more you spike it, the more insulin resistant you become. Signs of insulin resistance are fat around the waist, lethargy after meals and hard time gaining muscle "fullness".

Going full Keto is hardly a good thing when trying to gain muscle, but saving your starchy/fast carbs for gymtime is. Carbcycling is a must if you ever wish to get both really lean and swole.

Go keto if you are fat, go carbcycling if you´re abit pudgy and trying to lean out, just fucking eat if you are skinny.

>>42826638
nah, the purpose, as I stated, was to show videos that might be interesting
if you want studies - go find them yourself

>>42834144
What is interesting about purposefully misleading propaganda? Well they might be interesting in a "wow, look at the bullshit they're feeding to the uninformed" sense but that's a rather debatable quality.

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>>42833246
>Spike it when your protein synthesis is low at evenings

This is what freaks me out about supposedly eating carbs in the morning times or post work out. Carbs make me sleepy and I find that I function better fasted or low carb during the day and go to sleep after eating carbs at night.

>>42813734
nice gyno

>>42828011
You'd just get your body in dormant mode and shitty mood.
Fasting FTW

>>42829943
No, your brain does not require strictly glucose, ketone bodies work just as fine if not better. Best example is infants, their brains thrive on ketone bodies.

>>42833166
How to confirm you're retarded and don't lift in one post

>>42834188
It also might be interesting in a "wow, look at this info I never thought about, I'll look more into it" sense.
Depends on you completely. Did you look for useful info, mistakes only or both? Did you do the further reading (sources are provided in videos' descriptions)?
Did you watch them? Did you really watch them and without bias look at all the info presented and judged it's quality based on how actually useful those are?
Or did you just watch two minutes of one of them, latched on some mistake (if it is a mistake, because you might be wrong) and decided to bitch about it here without actually trying to achieve anything but to boost your ego?
Because if the latter is the case then I don't want to have a dispute with you.

>>42833246

that sounds like 100% meal timing bro-science, but also sounds legit.

I don't know what to think.

>>42813206
Carbs make you wanna shove more carbs in your face.

Fat makes you feel fuller longer.

Also keto recipes are actually tasty. I've lost 30 pounds already.

>>42813652
Tell her to eat some vegetables and get some fiber in her diet, you god damn mongoloid.

>>42813206
The only thing you will lose is water weight and maybe some lean muscle mass.

>>42834580
I'm not that guy.
Stop being so salty that people aren't sucking your dick for that selfie. You've already replied like 10 times. If you think you look good then man the fuck up and stop being a bitch.

>>42834622
>Did you look for useful info

Why would I do that? What kind of retard opens up a video, realizes he's being fed misinfo but keeps watching in case something true pops up further on?

>>42821890
Good for you.

>>42834718
I'm getting accused of roids, dick's been sucked dude. Don't need more ego boosts and when you try and back up a solid diet I'm kinda undermined when some retard yells roids

>>42834636
Meal timing was never broscience, except from the part where some brotards cited it as "bro u gotta get a shake after workout or all your work is wasted".

Protein synthesis does increase and insulin really does matter when building muscle - if the top bodybuilders abusing it wasnt proof enough.

https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/3-ways-to-control-insulin-and-get-jacked

I know it´s a meme-nation article but the citations are legit and it´s simple enough to get the point across. Just ignore the product-pedaling.

>>42820720
Here's your (You)

>>42829943
>molecular biologist
No you aren't. No biologist is this ignorant. Stop lying.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_acid_metabolism#Dietary_sources_of_fatty_acids.2C_their_digestion.2C_absorption.2C_transport_in_the_blood_and_storage

>>42835059
A significant proportion of the fatty acids in the body are obtained from the diet, in the form of triglycerides of either animal or plant origin. The fatty acids in the fats obtained from land animals tend to be saturated, whereas the fatty acids in the triglycerides of fish and plants are often polyunsaturated and therefore present as oils.
These triglycerides, cannot be absorbed by the intestine.[25] They are broken down into mono- and di-glycerides plus free fatty acids (but no free glycerol) by pancreatic lipase, which forms a 1:1 complex with a protein called colipase (also a constituent of pancreatic juice), which is necessary for its activity. The activated complex can work only at a water-fat interface. Therefore, it is essential that fats are first emulsified by bile salts for optimal activity of these enzymes.[26] The digestion products consisting of a mixture of tri-, di- and monoglycerides and free fatty acids, which, together with the other fat soluble contents of the diet (e.g. the fat soluble vitamins and cholesterol) and bile salts form mixed micelles, in the watery duodenal contents (see diagrams on the right).[25][27]

>>42835096
The contents of these micelles (but not the bile salts) enter the enterocytes (epithelial cells lining the small intestine) where they are resynthesized into triglycerides, and packaged into chylomicrons which are released into the lacteals (the capillaries of the lymph system of the intestines).[28] These lacteals drain into the thoracic duct which empties into the venous blood at the junction of the left jugular and left subclavian veins on the lower left hand side of the neck. This means that the fat soluble products of digestion are discharged directly into the general circulation, without first passing through the liver, as all other digestion products do. The reason for this peculiarity is unknown.[29]

A schematic diagram of a chylomicron.
The chylomicrons circulate throughout the body, giving the blood plasma a milky, or creamy appearance after a fatty meal. Lipoprotein lipase on the endothelial surfaces of the capillaries, especially in adipose tissue, but to a lesser extent also in other tissues, partially digests the chylomicrons into free fatty acids, glycerol and chylomicron remnants. The fatty acids are absorbed by the adipocytes, but the glycerol and chylomicron remnants remain in the blood plasma, ultimately to be removed from the circulation by the liver. The free fatty acids released by the digestion of the chylomicrons are absorbed by the adipocytes, where they are resynthesized into triglycerides using glycerol derived from glucose in the glycolytic pathway. These triglycerides are stored, until needed for the fuel requirements of other tissues, in the fat droplet of the adipocyte.

>>42813206
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dan8qtgQRi8

yes it is
keto+OMAD IF master mother fucking race

If you're not on keto you're only hurting your performance, your health, your longevity, and your mental health

>>42814165
>having a menstrual cycle

not trying hard enough sweetie

>>42813206
No

>>42813269
>The French have like 50% of their calories from fat. Incidence of cardiovascular disease is low.
And I'm sure that's the only factor you need to account for, aftet all, correlation implies causation

>>42835252
You know what else implies causation? My dick and balls stuffed completely into your colon.

>>42823815
I know you're argument is just that the conventional recommended diet might never have been tried, but I don't think the person of the videos from >>42823738 claims that a diet with carbs is bad if you get the right ones. He however proposes that a ketogenic diet might also be suitable. This doesn't seem weird, since humans wouldn't have evolved that quickly from scavenger lifestyle to aggrecultural. I've heard about studies in the past which claim that our digestive system is made for eating lots of nuts, berries, stuff you can find on hand, and occasionally meat. This lies really close imo to a keto diet combined with a bit of fasting.
Our bodies might not even be made for eating carbs day in day out.
Also in zoo's, they feed carnivores like lions etc. only one time a week, and they don't lose muscle. I know humans aren't the same tough so that doesn't make a strong argument.

The guy in the vid you provided from the channel 'plantiful health' assumes proponents of keto say a carb diet has failed, while I've have yet to find someone who claims all carbs are bad. He also focusses on the obesity epidemic, which is not necessarily the focus of the keto diet. But he assumes keto is meant solely as a solution to the obesity epidemic, disregarding all the claimed benefits of keto, like better brain functionality, less cravings/hunger spikes ...
He finishes his video with saying we should all just eat more plants and get our carbs from that, which isn't a bad thing, but in combination with his channel name 'plantifull heatlh' and the comments he gives to viewers I assume it's a vegan channel which makes him naturally biased against the keto died, which is highly based on meat.

>>42813206

Not directly. Carbs* are less filling, which leads to feeling more hungry, which in turn leads to eating more calories.

(*When they say "carbs", what they really mean is SUGAR, specifically, but if you're a fatty just starting out, you probably don't know the difference. Keto teaches you how to read food labels and learn this difference.)

>>42835480
>Keto teaches you how to read food labels and learn this difference

No it doesn't, it just tells you carbs=bad and makes you avoid them, regardless.of source.

>>42813652
>shes got no energy,
If you're doing it right this only lasts the first week.

>>42835542
maybe but she's going to smell like period forever. she stops menstruating but all that uterus wall builds up in her bloodstream until she reeks of fucking period 24/7.

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>>42813369
>>42813269
>tfw french, love white bread and smoke cigarettes

>>42835116
What do you mean by this? Mine has disappeared, and idk why. Could it be related to lifting or eating fewer carbs? Definitely not pregnant, and no other symptoms of cysts or anything.

>>42834532
Partially this is true, but there is a limit and 30-80% energy has to be glucose in adults (depending on how trained you are for it).

>>42835867
people who have integrity and work hard don't get periods. congratulations, you're graduating to the superior gender.

>>42813226
That's Brie cheese you uncultured ape

>>42835921
Eat gallons of doo doo you cur

>>42822547
This.
Idiots confuse causation and correlation.
"Most people I see at the gym are overweight or skinny. Gyms are bad!"

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>>42813206
I thought that was all butter for a second I almost puked. I was about to fucking neck you bud. Looks good just add some plants.

>>42834736
Somebody without ADHD?