are the hodge twins achievable natty? https://www.youtube.c

they have been on TRT for a few years now, and possibly 1-2 other cycles after signing that gymshark contract. With that said, you can come close to the mass (except conditioning) at your natty max if you have good genetics

definitely not natty

They don't squat and deadlift and we all know that it's impossible to make gains without those two exercises.

>>42804247
this guy has no idea what he is talking about

>>42804391
prove me wrong, they blew up after signing the gymshark contract. Big size+definition gap if you'd remember their physiques from back then, but you don't because you're a fucking newfag that hasn't been on /fit/ in it's golden early 10s era with zyzz alive

>>42804276
the only reason to do those exercises is if you wanna snap up your shit.

>>42804402

It's possible to make gains without squats or deadlifts