>get blood work done >test is 263 >doctor says it's

>>42660890
make sure you're eating healthy, sleeping, working out and not stressing, and get another test. if it's still bad, just hop on roids.

>>42660895
my diet is fine and i sleep like 8-9h

What symptoms did you have? Has this surprised you?

>>42660890
Just accept that you're fine you fucking faggot. You're in the normal range for a reason. (No 'test' doesn't decrease with age (in most people) and the reference values are adapted from healthy adult (not elderly) males.

If you want to use steroids don't look for excuses and just do it.

>>42661306
I can't believe some people actually think like this.

>>42661293
no motivation, tired most of the time, feeling weak. that's what i noticed the most. i thought those things were just due to lifting and my busy schedule. my gym progress was pretty decent though.

but seeing it that low did surprise me. i knew it probably isn't high but i never though it'd be that low

Can I get a test check without going to a doctor?

>>42661322
Welcome to 4chan?

>>42661332
dick length x 100 - (age x 5)

should get in in the ball park

whats your free test ?

>>42661383
He's American he had to pay

>>42661378
can op confirm this

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>>42661401
by that my test should be 605

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>>42661306
> I can have 8-9x more test than someone else and it's normal

Why are the ranges so large? Any scientific reason behind this? I understand weight and height matter but does a couple of pounds really mean 500 more test? Seemed strange I don't understand.

>>42661394
as in free testosterone levels ?

(if you are American don't forget to tip)

>>42661401
No that's not real lmao.

There are body builders with 1500 test and can't even get boners.

>>42661378
>>42661430
Forgot to put flaccid length. Please recalculate op

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>>42660890
Vitamin D (3k IU) and dietary cholesterol

artofmanliness.com/2013/01/18/how-to-increase-testosterone-naturally/

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>>42661441
How accurate is this?

>>42661478
Idk. That's kinda insane, test is a powerful hormone, you notice differnces between pretty much any amount. Men should be on on 500-900 average imo.

>>42660890
Honestly, get a gf
Women are incredible test boosters

>>42661332
You can use online services like Medichecks in the UK where all you'll need to do is see a nurse for the blood draw, the rest is postal/online.

>>42660890
that's like the exact same shit I did, mine was like 268. I was tired and depressed and all that, doc checked thyroid too, both were in normal ranges. got on welbutrin and feel on top of the world. boners came back too. turns out I was just actually depressed.

>>42661306
Shut the fuck up you clueless idiot. You might get someone hurt.

>>42661661
taking a synthetic medication isn't fixing shit

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>>42660895
>test slightly low
>fuck it, use roids
>what could happen, low test?

kek

>>42660890
It makes no difference. Someone could have 800 and you wouldn't notice any difference. Stop being so obsessed with it.

The only thing that actually does make a difference within its reference range is your dihydrotestosterone value.

>>42661478
>there are bebbe with higher test than op

>>42660890
Get bloodwork done at a time of the day where your test levels are lower. Test levels show up below 240. Get test prescribed and then enjoy feeling like a man.

>>42661740
>263
>slightly low
Living the rest of your life on trt for normal levels would be 263x more enjoyable.

>>42661805
Would living on trt for say 10+ years not fuck up your ability to have children?

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>>42660890
>>42661757

>>42660890
The average man test levels sit between 250-300 and rise to 1000 when they doing competitive or test related activities. Your test is fine. Obviously you nowhere close to roiders like arnold sitting at 7000 or whatever.

>>42661831
What are you trying to say? It still makes no difference.
Dihydrotestosterone still makes the biggest difference in muscle building capabilities.

>>42660890
Its not ideal or optimal but you can get into the 350s with natural supplements and hard work, sleep, food etc..

I started TRT at 28 years old and am 30 next year
Total test was at 218, free test was the lowest on the scale
SHBG was low as fuck

Started TRT, depression went away things are good these days

The only thing that sucks is if you want to maintain this way of life you have to use steroids forever

Inject test 2x a week
Inject HCG 2x a week - keeps balls functional and doesn't atrophy
Take an AI .25mg adex twice a week- controls estrogen conversion

>>42661306
most healthy guys are have at least 500-600. 263 is like the bottom 5 percent.

>what can i do
finalize your transition

>>42661538
>Women are incredible test boosters
how does that work?

>>42662030
No the bottom 2.5% is below the value of 240, that is how normal distribution and 2 times standard deviation is defined you moron. >>42661322
>>42661478
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26419465
Also www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25295520
>>42661441
There is no clear cut answer to why one range can be so wide whereas the other is really small. Part has to do with the bioavailability of 'free testosterone' which has a much smaller range another part has to do with natural fluctuations in testosterone level throughout the day (higher in morning) and year (higher in spring). It is however not that uncommon for wide normal ranges to exist.
>>42661322
And I can't believe you're that full of yourself as to think you know better than medical specialists who studied for 10 years just to get into their profession and research that has been going on for hundreds of years
>>42661672
How? People are free to use drugs if they want to, I just don't want people having the false assumption that being on the lower end of the normal range of testosterone is the source of all their perceived problems. Taking testosterone will do nothing for that, but it will give you a nice muscular body.

>>42661538
If I recall, men in longterm relationships have their test lowered. Going from girl to girl would give the desired effect, I think

>>42660890
Learn to deepthroat dick you are bascially a women

>min on paper says 240-1100
>get test checked, 241
>doc says its still in the 'normal range'

>>42662278
In that case he could at least run a trial treatment.. what a dick just ask for that or find another doctor.

>>42661972
Fucking retard spewing crap as if he knows anything just shut up and go bacl to reddit

>>42662322
I don't, but my family full of ambitious docs that work with men in all age classes on exactly these issues do.
All of them agree that a) total test is insignificant and b) the difference in the ranges close to irrelevant

>>42662017

based 2017 poster

Doesnt this make it impossible to travel or go overseas?

>>42661441
>when you finally realize being a beta male is genetic
Ahahaha. Embrace your destiny, start drinking soymilk, and become a cute girl (male).

But seriously anon a big reason is that testosterone has more cons than pros in these situations, theres no pills that wont kill your liver so you have to self inject with a big scary needle and get bloodwork done constantly. For most people thats too much trouble and theyre too irresponsible to keep their hormone levels stable, and will fuck up their injections. Honestly though approaching 300s is really low for your age if you get a second opinion and ask for test the doc might say yes.

>>42662278
thats because docs nowadays are retards

they do the same with vitamins and other nutrients
>vitamin range is 100-10000
>be at 110
>doc says is ok
He only says 'is ok' because 100 is the minimum amount where you dont get any disease, optimum is always much much higher. I really fucking hate docs nowadays

Up until 2015 test levels under 450 were considered low. But now average test levels have fallen so much 250 is the new low. Welcome ro femenism, where 1 in 5 suicides are women and thats a real problem

>>42661430
test activated .dick is a go

>>42662527
It's the same with docs as with any other profession - there are people good at it and there are people bad at it.
As with any other service that you need to have done by someone who's profession it is, you have to somehow select someone that is actually good at it.
It's not that hard in times of Internet though.

But in this case, even the extremely knowledgeable docs agree that what op is describing is irrelevant.

>>42661469
3k? Fuck that. U can take 5k if it's cold and winter where u live.

>>42662202
Test also cures depression in men. And makes thtem phisically healthier as well

>>42662202
Someone with an actual understanding of the topic, props

>HURR DURR DOCTORS ARE SO RETARDED OMG THEY DONT EVEN GIVE ME TEST

4x cooked whole eggs every day
Don't use an alarm
Fish oil
Lifting
Onions
Orgasm 3x per day
Selenium
Vitamin D
ZMA

>>42662601
>U can take 5k
If you have the height, weight and athletic preformance of an actual human male, you can easly see improvements at 8k.

If you're 260+ lbs and a strength athlete, you can use up to 12k

>>42662689
20k once weekly is what I do

Raw garlic lad. If people aren't visibly cringing when you talk to them you're not eating enough.

>>42661818
No unless you're on high doses.

>>42662527
So if OP drops a little more test he will become a girl.

>>42662677
lol
>>42660890
inject ugl test adn hcg

>>42662616
If they are actually hypogonadal than yes it could do those things. If they are
>hurr durr muhh low test
Than it won't change anything, maybe even make them more depressive when they find out they spend all this money and took drugs for nothing. Maybe they even end up with gyno or acne flare up and are even more miserable. People generally don't self medicate in decent dosages they usually take like 200mg/w which would be the absolute maximum any physician would prescribe and will be supraphysiological (thus again putting them at more risk etc.) in almost all males.

>>42660890
take your blood work to another doctor and suck his cock

>>42662596
yeah but being a doctor used to be a very respected proffession, nowadays its quite the opposite

>>42662017
>Started TRT, depression went away things are good these days

this is literally the number one reason I'd ever consider roids

I got delt a shitty hand in life and being depressed and anxious just makes everything in life 500x worse and harder

>>42662717
I usually just inject 120k once monthly, it's worked so far

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>>42661441
>tfw I had coffee and red bull today
>still feel the same as usual

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>>42661737

>>42660890
Do shit to lower test

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>>42660890

>>42662202
oh wow I was 2.5% off

eat my dick.

>>42660890
>>42661430
what video are these clips from?

>>42661757
>It makes no difference. Someone could have 800 and you wouldn't notice any difference.

Shut the fuck up you cunt

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>>42661441
looks like he finally left humanity behind

>>42660890
More porn

>>42661757
>Someone could have 800 and you wouldn't notice any difference
No. As you're test levels drop naturally over time you'll definitely notice a difference.

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>>42661469

>>42661441
>>42662467
>>42661469

>>42662189
Studies show when your horny test goes up

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>>42661841
Source?

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>>42666906
he's wrong, there's no source

cruising on test at 21 for a year was the best life decision i've made

but dyor

>>42660890
Say "Fuck u fool, i finna fuck ya nigga ass up if ya dn gimme that sterooone nigga, jump yo ass and kill ya dentist nigga".
>Source?
Former detective.

>>42664573
Me personally? I enema 1mil yearly.

>>42666826
Not all endorphin deficiencies/surplus' can be fixed by diet, in which case medication is the only thing that works.

That'd be like saying that you can fix schizophrenia by changing your diet.

>>42667086
What?

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>>42660890
zinc gluconate 30-50mg a day helped me

>>42667095
Not all cases of depression are diet-related. Either you or another anon in the chain suggested this.

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>>42667150
Debating points?

If it's something just thought about (situational), what's to say that pills vs. metabolites is relevant at all? The quickest way "up" is plausibly just quitting association, thought or whatever.

Yet pharmaceuticals are often about as effective as placebo.

Doing cool/exciting stuff is rewarded with chemicals. Enough / extra protein for enough / extra chemicals is literally the point — those are research excerpts.

>>42667410
I'd like a source because a good bit of depression is caused by lack of receptors, meaning you can produce all the dopamine and serotonin in the world and have no effect. Debating the efficacy is a whole different subject than debating cause.

Mine was 313 and I have a humiliation fetish and a 7.5 inch cock. Any females on board want to jump on the boss train? Hit me up

>>42667502
I'm a supernatural beta male btw

>>42667472
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17513421
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13261

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4592645/

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>>42661378
HOLY FUCK TOP KEK LMFAOOOOOO

>>42661378
top kek

underrated post

>>42660890
Cruise clomid or enclomiphene to boost.

>>42667773
Also use DHEA to jam up your SHBG or your free will drop back to normal even though your total is 4x what it was.

>>42667662
Once again though, a larger part of depression isn't lack of NT, it's lack of receptors, hence the argument that diet isn't a solution in those cases.

>>42667877
No? What do you think SSRIs were created for? Cases of actual depression, not just mild, are actual genetic issues, not hormonal ones.

>>42667895
The argument here is "increasing levels of serotonin with pharmaceuticals" vs. "increasing levels of serotonin with metabolites", so receptor amount is beyond the scope.

>>42667931
If you recall, I was simply pointing out from a previous post that not all depression is fixable by diet, as another anon had claimed that depression was simply a bad diet.

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>>42667895
>>42667953

>>42662382
They're wrong m80. DHT is a derivative of testosterone and is responsible for some of the effects seen by increases in test, but it's nowhere near as important as test is. If you increase your free T, you will also increase your DHT, but if you supplement DHT (or creatine, which raises it), you will only see some of the secondary benefits. Test is responsible for far more than DHT is, at least far more of the positive effects people are looking for. There's a reason no one specifically supplements DHT when they're looking for increased performance or as HRT, because DHT, while not irrelevant, is significantly less important than free T.

>>42662382
As for the range issue, they are also wrong. The acceptable range given is usually for people ages 18-65, give or take. We know that test declines significantly as we age, so it is safe to assume that the lower third of the range should be populated by people over 40, and the top third of the range should be populated by people under 40. Most doctors view people within the lower range as normal, regardless of whether their age indicates they should be there or not, because that is what they are trained to do. Doctors fix things when they're wrong, but are generally not very good at preemptive or preventative care. One can clearly see a man in his 20s should be nowhere near the bottom of the range with this simple thought experiment: if he is near the bottom in his 20s, and let's just say T halves every 20 years, when he's in his 40s he'll be well below the normal range. In another 20, he'll hardly be producing test at all. Given current T and age, one can safely assume a trajectory, and given that trajectory see if one should fix something now rather than later.

>>42667967
Fun fact: the same hippocampal nerogenesis seen with SSRIs is also found with cannabinoid use.

>>42660890
Go doctor shopping until you find one willing to give you that sweet medical grade test