90s >fats are evil 00s >carbs are evil 10s >gluten

There is a shitton of things I hate about my country, but atleast the Netherlands has a sugar tax which keeps rising every year.

The real evil is and always has been overeating.

LSD isn't evil bro.

>>42618912
That's fucking retarded and pointless nannystate bullshit

>>42618894
It is becoming the enemy. Just look at all the no sugar soft drinks.

Btw sugar companies lobby like tobacco companies did last century.

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20s
>sugar is evil

when will people realize pic related was the real evil all this time

Sugar is carbs

>>42618894
Same way with Cigarettes, once the companies that rely on shit like high fructose corn syrup can't shill to keep people from directly pinning the issue on them.

>>42618894
>implying all of these things cant be independently bad

wew

>>42618894

Processed sugar is bad, yes. But what kills people, over half a million people a year to be exact, is fat. Specifically saturated and trans fat. Heart disease is easily the biggest killer of people, and it's completely tied to animal fat.

>>42618959
How is it tied

>>42618918
That's marihuana bro I know that my brothers friend has smoked it once

>>42618959
Being fat, not eating fat. I mean obviously you have to eat to be fat, but it doesn't much matter what

>>42618959
>Completely tied to animal fat
Come to shit up another thread and turn it into a vegan vs meat eater thread I see

>>42618959
If you are a fit person, you can literally eat pure grease everyday, it won't affect shit.

>>42618894
Sugar never had a reputation as a health food you underaged fuckwit. Governments have been telling people not to eat it for almost 50 years. Do you think fatties give a shit what the government tells them? Sugar is pretty much the healthiest not-healthy thing you can eat. Compared to saturated and refined fat, calorie by calorie, it provides more satiety and less cardiometabolic harm.

>>42618912
That's almost as bad as leafland trying to tax people for junk food. Fuck off I eat chips once every three months only to have to pay extra for it?

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Never, all those "evils" were concocted by the fast food and junk food industries to make sure they can easily shift their wares slightly while maintaining the one thing (sugar) that makes their shit so addictive.

>>42618936
>straps for lmao2plaet

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>>42618959
>unsaturated fats are thousands times more prone to oxidation
>heart disease is caused by saturated fats

>>42619024
No, it will actually raise your LDL cholesterol, deposit fat into your liver and muscle, and cause endotoxemia, systemic inflammation and multi-tissue insulin resistance and lipotoxicity. Whether you are fit or not is irrelevant, because saturated fat is toxic to most organs and is also treated like a toxin by the body. Out of all the fatty acids, the saturated fats have the lowest capacity to be oxidized, with 80-90% being stored as fat, compared to ~50% for PUFAs which stimulate their oxidation because they do not interfere with glucose metabolism inside the cell.

>>42619027
Fat just makes you fat because of the energy density. A whole ton of sugar gives you a blood sugar spike, not good unless immediately before physically demanding work or exercise

>>42619072
LDL, organ accumulation of adipose and lipid droplets, insulin resistance, and systemic inflamation are all caused by and depend on having a highly positive energy balance, not the kind of fat you eat

Gluten is only evil to a tiny portion of the population, it's not comparable to the near propaganda-tier hatred against fat we used to have.

>>42619031
A necessary casualty

>>42619164
It's not nessesary and doesn't even work. You want a solution? Cut off medical benefits for fatties

>>42619183
That would be inhumane, dude

>>42619164
Spoken like a true soulless communist.

>>42619190
They've given up their humanity, and not even in the cool way

>>42619027
>it provides more satiety
Bullshit. Pure sugar like candy, as OP pictured, barely fill you up.

>>42619031
Oh no, a tax only affects you once every 3 months?????? The humanity!

If people won't stop binging on unhealthy foods, then a temporary(or permanent) tax on unhealthy shit isn't a bad thing. I wish Burgerland would consider it. Nothing too big, just enough to make it hurt fatties' wallet. Anyone who eats the taxed foods appropriately should be fine.

>>42619335
See >>42619197
Kys asap my man a tax isn't gonna stop fatties

>>42619335
They're still gonna fucking buy it. You aren't accomplishing anything

>>42618959
>Believing 1950's rhetoric

>>42619335
Taxing people on their stupidity is usually good, but in this situation it'll be unsustainable.

>>42619335
That's some nice naive ideals bernout but what actually happens is fatties keep buying it while the guys that restrict it end up getting cucked and indirectly punished when they do occasionally grab some junk fold

>>42618912
What about a Sugar tax accompanied with a yearly (bi-yearly?) fitness test. If you pass, no tax. If you fail, then have fun paying more for sugar, fatty.

>>42618912
why not skip the bullshit and have a fat tax? would that trigger the libtards 2much?

>>42618959
kys

>>42619027
not the point. the real point is, they are replacing fats with sugar to make things taste better.

Beurocratically expensive. If you were to implement such a test, costs would have to be recooped in a more thorough way, like cutting their benefits

>>42618959
fuck off
eating fats will mostly cause increase in HDL cholesterol which guess what doesnt have shit to do with heart disease, LDL cholesterol is shit for you and guess what causes an increase in that? Sugar.

>>42619147
This, otherwise, the food is consumed

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Haven't had fat in a week now. Lost 2 lbs. Unless you're on keto, the fat you eat is the fat you wear.

Nothing is evil, everything is evil in excess.

Saved you the next 500 years of diet debates

>>42618913
Yes, which is essentially impossible to do without sugary crap if you have absolutely any self-control. Carbs on the other hand are addictive, there is no denying that.

>>42618959
No. Heart disease is mostly caused by obesity/metabolic syndrome, both can be solved by low-carb/keto. Fats or carbs alone are not bad, the problem is mixing the two (then your body stores dietary fat directly as body fat).

>>42619027
Oh yes, I can just gorge on coconut oil just as well as a bagel. Retard.

>>42619031
So taxing anything unhealthy should be banned.

>>42619072
Kek, you are shilling for carbs m8 and trying to call any non trans fat a toxin? I think riding the glucose rollercoaster is affecting your brain.

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>>42618959
What if your body used cholesterol to repair small tears in your veins and arteries?

And for some reason, you have an increasing amount of tears in your veins and arteries and that cholesterol builds up in certain areas because it is constantly repairing an increasing amount of tears.

Insulin causes vascular dilation. It's part of the process of allowing your body to absorb nutrients. Suppose a person was constantly driving their insulin levels way up and way down by eating high amounts of carbohydrates and the constant dilation and contraction of the veins and arteries were causing injuries to them.

So doctors say, "don't get rid of what is causing holes in your arteries, get rid of what is sealing them up".

>>42619353
>>42619366
>>42619426
>>42619413

Where the fuck are fatasses getting their money? A tax like this would have to add up after a bit.

>>42618894
sugar is nutritional jew, they have their own defense force from companies like hersheys or pepsi

>>42618987
Very carefully

>>42618894
well, some fats are evil. like some trans-fats and most polyunsaturated-fats. good fats are bacon, coconut fat, butter, olive oil.
carbs in general arent evil, sugar is. the amount of play also a role.
gluten aint good because you hold more water in your body and i could fuck with your stomach. pro bodybuilders mind gluten while dieting for contests and they know why.

How do you healthily consume sugar?
>inb4 you don't
I like sweets too much to give them up.

>>42618930
STAY mad, fat fuck

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>>42618894

What the fuck is wrong with these anti-carb anti-fat fanatics.

Getting a good dose of sugar / your favourite food before killing it in the gym can result in crazy gains. Its just fucking fuel, keep lifting till you cant lift any fucking more, pure and simple.

>>42620110
no need to give em up. just reduce it or try to reward yourself for good workouts etc.

>>42620143
> needing a reward for a good workout
> the rush of adrenaline/endorphins is not enough
not gonna make it fatty

>>42620143

Holy shit reward mentality is cancer and beta as fuck. You must eat avocados and use nuts for protein top kek. The only fuel I need is high calorie food and hate for the weak.

>>42620139
You are the most retarded poster on this board, congrats.

>>42620110
Eat it right after your workout and hope the evidence that says the body converts carbs eaten right after a hard workout into glycogen and doesn't store it as fat.

>>42620193
>avocado
Fuck that disgusting shit.

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>>42618912
im conflicted because i believe that nanny state taxes like this are complete bullshit. But at the same time i believe that if these countries have free healthcare then they should be able to tax unhealthy food because im the one who eventually has to pay for these fat fucks to get surgery.

>>42619887
>Fats or carbs alone are not bad, the problem is mixing the two (then your body stores dietary fat directly as body fat).
This, the most mentally addictive food is high carb, high fat, high salt. e.g. chips

>>42619072
Funny, I cut most carbs and sugar out of my diet while upping my saturated fat consumption and my LDL (and triglycerides) WENT DOWN.
Basically - shit's complicated yo.

>>42620285
Why don't you eat and actually work hard instead pussy?

>>42620274
>>42620274
>mentally addictive
so in other words weak willed fucks who want to shift the blame for their shit habits onto a condition therefore eliminating their responsibility?

Id argue that only caffeine is truly addictive when it comes to food/drinks. And even then its easy to kick in about a week with discipline

>>42620193

>hate for the weak.

Disagree with you but kek

>>42620311
Sure, if that's what you want to believe to have an excuse to act like a dick. Doesn't mean you're not full of shit though.

>>42620305
>go on low-carb diet
>eat more vegetables than ever before
>cook every day, constantly increasing my cooking skill
>meticulously track calories and macros
>snowball effect into other areas of my life where I start giving a shit
>be mindful of what I'm putting in my body
>feel better than ever before
meme or not, this diet is the best thing that has ever happened to me. when I'm not morbidly obese and start lifting weights and doing heavy cardio then I'll see a need to fit some carbs into my diet.

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>>42618894
Gluten-Free for 15 years here here
Gluten isn't innately bad. There are just people that don't digest it and thus causes problems. I cringe every fucking time I hear some health food advocate push something for everyone because it's gluten free. It's just something on a checklist companies can use to market the product at a higher price point
The real problem is that education doesn't teach you that the best way to understand what you need in your diet is to keep up with what you eat. If you eat Cheetos and in 2 hours you feel like trash, stop eating fucking Cheetos.

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>>42620368

Me too bro

No one prepared me for IF+keto though. Trying to eat 3k ish of fat and protein in a 4 hour window is fucking brutal.

>>42620427
bacon is your friend

>>42620427
oh jesus christ this. I do 16-8 tho, but it's still difficult sometimes. Most days I don't even feel hungry, but I'll force myself to eat and I can barely finish my meals.

>>42620311
Do you read what you write m8? You can say that about anything addictive. Heck lets smoke some crack since I'm not a weak willed fuck.

Btw, craving for carbs can take longer than 1 week to stop so by your reasoning it is more addictive than caffeine.

t. chronic pain sufferer which cut his two copping mechanisms: caffeine and carbs

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>>42620368
>>42620427

Why the fuck do you guys do this. Please explain this to me. Keto diets will do fucking nothing for you if you're going for hyper trophy or strength I don't care who you are. Enjoy all that volume of useless protein and trying to digest it all within 4 long fucking hours and being piss tired after your first few sets instead of doing it right and getting some serious carb intake and killing it for 4 or 5 hours within an hour or two tops. Get some brownies down them guts if you're tired or a massive fruit juice mix and keep going, jesus, atkins, what the fuck is wrong with you guys. /puke

>>42620497

I actually had a back/bi session a couple hours ago after a 24 hour fast on nothing but BCAAs and hit 2 PRs.

I realize it's not for everyone but it's clicking pretty well atm.

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>>42618959
goooood goy, trying to get them internet dollars. Shills are even here... theres no study that clearly shows that animal fats are bad. use sci-hub to search for one, but you wont have luck. saturated fats and monounsaturated fats are best for the human body.

>>42618959
>is fat. Specifically saturated
No
>Heart disease is easily the biggest killer of people, and it's completely tied to animal fat.
No, it's not.
>>42618987
It's not.
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>http://www.uib.no/en/node/103172
>http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health

>>42618959

Sugar is sugar. Don't give me that hippy bullshit.

>>42619031
>>42619183
>taxing people for eating junk food is "not necessary and doesn't work"
>meanwhile, it's been scientifically proven that smokers are 20% more likely to quit when cigarettes cost $1 more
HMMMMMMMMMMMM... REALLY MAKES ME THINK

>>42618936
Such a big guy, such small weight

>>42618894
No macro is evil, you dumb fuck. Sugar is just the newest fad.

>>42618894
Money. In America, the sugar industry has the money, and they use it to blame other foods, and otherwise confuse the issue so that complacent customers will never learn jack shit about diet, and that sugar inflates the calories of everything they consume.

And needing everything to taste sweet is the shittiest taste.

>>42620670
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5174153/

And there is no such thing as sugar addiction.

>>42620497
>fatties can't stick to a diet without eliminating an entire food group
colour me shocked

>>42620688
> non essential (the little glucose you need can be synthesized from protein)
> cravings when not accessible
> headaches/unwellness for the first few days of restriction
Sounds like addiction to me. Maybe more psychological than physiological but it is nonetheless.

>inb4 all of these happen with food in general
None of these are valid for protein or fat.

>>42620266

same desu

>>42619931
>And for some reason, you have an increasing amount of tears in your veins and arteries and that cholesterol builds up in certain areas because it is constantly repairing an increasing amount of tears

STICKY SCRATCHY SUGAR BLOOD

http://www.endofshiftreport.com/2015/07/a-colleague-of-mine-related-tale-of-pt.html

>>42621026
It's physiological. Use basic nuerology m8.

Sugar and the anticipation of eating sugar releases dopamine. Having an over-abundance of sugar over long periods of time leads to rewiring of your reward center. There's a genetic factor too.

It is the LITERAL description of addiction.

>>42619052
It's an advertisement for straps dumbass.
He doesn't need those things . No one needs to use straps.

>>42621670
i bet you use straps for lmaO1p8

>>42618894
>>42618913
This guy knows whats up. That and ignorance and laziness of the average bluepilled retard mixed with a crappily structured society.

>>42619939
Welfare and credit cards I'd assume.

I really wish welfare/food stamps would allow only foods that are canned/have to be cooked to be eaten/Frozen vegetables and fruits

No frozen meals, no snacks, no juice drinks (one of the most misleading offenders) but ultimately I think even if they did that it would be useless because the lobbyists and food companies would riot and claim that something as sugary as their shit was "healthy". Generally though, the food companies and lobbyists basically run the food propaganda and influence congress and opinion about what is good and what isnt.

It's fucking depressing.

>>42621744
Oh and to add to this as well, it isnt just the "evil government" it's also the average, lazy, unwilling to learn, gullible and lazy consumer that ends up reproducing and then the cycle repeats.

Ok I'm confused, aren't most food sources broken down into sugars in the body anyway? I was under the (perhaps incorrect) impression that carbs and lipids and proteins are all broken down into glucose for ATP production? So why would sugar be worse than protein? Moreover, I thought that if you didn't get enough glucose from carbohydrates, proteins would get broken down to provide glucose? And when you talk about sugar, do you mean refined sugar, or carbohydrates, or what? In essence, I'm confused what is meant to be so bad about "sugar" or what it even is? Surely eating just fruits and vegetables can't be unhealthy...

>he doesn't realise that carbs and gluten in white flour are basically the same as sugar

It's not sugar, it's all simple carbs in general. Sugar is the worst one though

>>42621911
liquid sugars < solid sugars << simple carbs < complex carbs <<<<<<<< everything else

>>42619006
I don't know but I can't stop laughing at this

>>42622202
It's because you're a 17 year old Redditor who just found out about "this site full of hackers" and thinks that anything posted here is super cool and hilarious.

>>42620404
What symptoms did you have and what changed when you stopped eating glute

>>42618912
Fucking euros I swear

Do you hate freedom or something?

>>42618959
Shoo shoo vegan shill

>>42619931
The more I learn about beetus and insulin the more I'm absolutely blown the fuck away that no one is actually treating it properly. But then again, big pharma.

hmmm
>diabetes was lower before the government started telling us not to eat saturated fat

>heart disease was lower before the government started telling us not to eat saturated fat

>americans eat less saturated fat now than before the government started telling them to not eat saturated fat

REALLY GETS MY NEURONS INTERCONNECTED BREHS

>>42623826
Governement told people to eat less fat but nobody listened , they just added more sugar.
Fat consumption is the same , dairy is higher overall , and sugar increased , if 2 macro stay the same and one rise what do you get ? A caloric increase of around 500 .

>>42623849
>literally speaking out of his ass

want me to completely wreck your angus with statistics, breh?

>>42623849
http://news.heart.org/trans-fat-and-saturated-fat-consumption-down-but-not-enough/

sat fat consumption down, yet heart disease still rising, heart foundation recommends reducing sat fat even more but when it was highest heart disease was the lowest

hmm im really thinking now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPAQFck9XHQ

>>42623888
% of sat fat and fat dropped but calories increased you mong , it almost didn't bulge , people just indulge more .

>>42623906
>>42623888
And on top of that the job trend is changing a lot , physical labors went down a WHOLE lot since then , now most people do very sedentary jobs , combine that with the huge simplification of life thanks and you get an increase of CI with a decrease of CO

>>42623906
So the problem was never sat fat.
Actually sat fat helps the body by sealing up the veins when they're wounded.
The problem is overconsumption overall.
sugars.

>>42623949
The problem is over consumption from all source , fat or sugar , and both play a huge role in metabolic syndrome because they both are consumed in refined form .

Lot of people like to calls chips and icecream "carby food" but most of them contain around 50/50 calories from fat/carb , the is nothing healthy about getting double refined macro in a single food .
Try eating pure sugar like that , not with aroma in a drink or a candy , just straight up table sugar , shit taste horrible .

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>3017
>people finally fucking realize that a nutritious BALANCED diet with LIMITED
processed/added sugar and saturated fat is the key to health
>everyone consumes <2700mg of sodium/day
>everyone starts eating 8-12 servings of fruits and veggies per day and drinking nothing but water and milk (to obtain their vitamin D and calcium for the day)
>in the final irony of mankind, this is also when they are on the verge of extinction
>mfw

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>>42623970
The ultimate "carby food" right here , it has 58% of its cals from fat and only 36 from carbs , and then you get total retard like the keto community who get afraid of potatoes because of the evil carby potatoes chips .

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>>42618930
our insurance premiums would be way cheaper if whales stopped stuffing their face with sugar all the time

>>42618894
>>42618936

30s
>protein is evil

>>42619024
your liver can only process so much saturated fat in one day, thats why supersize me guy got so sick

>>42620368
you started paying attention to your diet because you were trying to avoid sugary filth and that's what made you feel better, if you started eating a few servings of complex carbs before your training sessions you would feel even better

>>42620139
If the sugars are fast releasing sugars coming from fruit, then yes.

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>>42624033
Ketolards don't even understand that if you mix fat and sugar 1:1, fat provides 70% of calories and sugar provides 30%. Nor do they understand that 40% calories from fat in a food is high-fat, but 40% calories from carbs is low-carb. Being chronically undercarbed causes brain degeneration

>>42618894

>10s

Dieting is evil.

>>42619017

hahha

this guy knows

>>42618894
>>42618936
>>42624054
40'
>Testosterone is evil

>>42618912
Why are the Dutch always so proud of reductions in their standards of living? Fuckers like to brag how so few people drive cars over there, not mentioning how prohibitive the taxes on owning and driving a car are compared to real countries.

>>42618894
>sugar was the real evil all this time

Diabetics have been treated and even cured with a diet rich in table sugar.

You see, having too many lipids in the blood and being too fat overall is the main cause of metabolic and cardiovascular diseases.

If you have too much lipids in your blood you will accumulate visceral fat easier, clog your artheries easier, increase insulin resistance easier, etc.

Even a twinkie based diet can cure diabetes if it gets rid of the lipids blocking off the glucose receptors in the muscles and organs, and thus allowing blood sugar to normalize.

>>42619311

Try and eat a 1000 calorie meal purely on sugar and then post about how "barely" it fills you up.

eating too much sugary shit makes you full, fast, and makes you even feel a bit sick.
Eating too much fat doesn't have the same issue, meaning you can EASILY overfeed on it.

2 tablespoon of olive oil have around 1000 calories, put 6 of those in a small salad and you are ALREADY in a fucking surplus.

>>42619887
>No. Heart disease is mostly caused by obesity/metabolic syndrome, both can be solved by low-carb/keto

And it can be solved easier by lowering fat intake.
The only way you're gonna treat cardio vascular disease with a high fat diet is if you drop weight dramatically, because it literally gets rid of lipids in your body.

Guess which diet is better at getting rid of lipids in your body.

>>42619931
You don't get rid of cholesterol though, your body produces cholesterol, meaning dietary cholesterol is absolutely 100% unnecessary.

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>>42623949
>Actually sat fat helps the body by sealing up the veins when they're wounded.

They also clog them up, and make them harder.
Saturated fats also promote more visceral fat accumulation than ANY OTHER type of fat.
Poly unsaturated fats are shown time and time again to promote LEAN MASS gain and FAT MASS loss.

Saturated fats are promoted ONLY BY KETO RETARDS who can't stop eating FATTY SHIT FOODS.

>>42618930
People are too stupid to govern themselves responsibly. I wish the US would start a sugar tax. Everything is loaded with sugar and normies don't bother researching it or even looking what is on the nutrition sheet. Also think advertising should be regulated so companies just can't slap healthy or diet all over shit.

>>42624030
> vitamind D from dietary sources
Ask me how I know you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

>>42625930
Not him, but how do you know he doesn't have a clue of what he's talking about?
Are you even for one second insinuating vitamin D isn't found naturally from dietary sources?

>>42625835
Americans actually consume more calories from added refined fat than from added refined sugar. Sugar consumption has also been decreasing for the past 20 years.

Bonus points: Almost nobody craves high-sugar low-fat food, whereas craving for high-fat low-sugar foods are rampant

>The majority of respondents experienced these problems for combined high-fat savoury (30%) and high-fat sweet (25%) foods, whereas only a minority experienced such problems for low-fat/savoury (2%) and mainly sugar-containing foods (5%). Overweight correlated only with addictive-like problems for high-fat savoury and high-fat sweet foods (P < 0.0001), while this was not found for foods mainly containing sugar.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28330706

Genetic predisposition for preferring high-sugar low-fat foods is associated with lower body weight, but a preference for high-fat high-sugar foods is not

http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(17)30214-0

>>42625981
100ml of milk has 1 UI of vitamin D, the RDA is 600 but most people would benefit from 3000+ (you need supplements or sun exposure to reach)

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No, dipshit. There is no such thing as an "evil" food. You can even make the argument that fats, carbs, and even protein is just as evil as sugar, if people are eating too much.

Food companies are merely filling the market consumption desire. If everyone was obsessively craving low calories salads with chicken breast, that's what they'd be selling.

The problem ALWAYS lies with the individual. People will always like sweet, sugary, creamy, fatty things. Those things taste good and always will.

>>42626060
> Sugar consumption has also been decreasing for the past 20 years.
Maybe table sugar, I highly doubt this includes refined foods/sodas.

Alright, so you accept that almost everyone which overeats is better off stopping carbs. It is a lot harder to keep eating only carbs without fat since your blood glucose levels will be all over the place the entire day. On the other hand, going low carb will actually curb your appetite and you can make better choices overall.

> inb4 muh willpower
Assuming unlimited willpower/time for meal prep then any diet will work for you b/c of CICO.

>>42626385
>It is a lot harder to keep eating only carbs without fat since your blood glucose levels will be all over the place the entire day. On the other hand, going low carb will actually curb your appetite and you can make better choices overall.
You know how I know you have never eaten less than 10 grams of fat and more than 500 grams of carbs in a day? Because you write shit like this

>>42620531
>links blogs

illl stick to what WHO, harvard medicine, american college of cardiology and many other top organizations have to say(to limit animal fats),thanks.

>>42626411
Ok m8. Don't forget your hourly fix in a few minutes. Meanwhile I'm back to work and only going to eat in 16 hours.

>>42618894
Sugar was always bad. Not sure why you idiots think processed sugar was ever promoted as a health food.

You do know it's possible that more than one thing is bad right? It's not just sugar we should stay away of, there are also saturated fats and trans fats, for example.

Every major health and nutrition organization on every continent recommends limiting saturated fat to no more than 7-10% of total calories, or as low as possible, based on the best available evidence. The notion that saturated fat intake should not be limited is a fringe position on the internet that is not embraced or promoted by any relevant expert body. Saturated fat is not essential to the human body and health benefits are not known.

Saturated fat raises LDL cholesterol in a dose-dependent fashion and LDL cholesterol causes atherosclerosis, leading to cardiovascular disease. Excess saturated fat is also toxic to the liver, pancreas, hypothalamus, muscles, endothelium and other organs, causes insulin resistance and may be associated with some cancers.

There is a reason why if you check these organizations "healthy eating guidelines" (see below), they recommend what is essentially a plant based diet. They are the only diet shown to prevent and even reverse our #1 killer, heart disease. Even american college of cardiology straight up recommended vegan diets for optimal heart health. Even some reddit ama I read from a cardiologist one time he replied saying yes, vegan diets and in fact diets that have no animal fats are optimal for heart health. It's not a secret or conspiracy, unless you're a ketard. Check out blue zones, the longest living populations, they eat also a diet which is mostly vegan, with a lot of legumes and such.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs394/en/
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-eating-plate/

>>42625829
sat fats are healthy, stop trying to get us goyim to stop eating them and replace with (((polyunsaturated))) while you eat all the healthy sat fat, getting high IQ well functioning organs

>>42626518
Oh look, another vegan cuck.

I would happily eat things sugarfree if they were fucking available. I'm not attached to it being sugar, sweeteners are fine, but the option isn't there.

>>42626671
WHOLE FOODS FAGGOT
Just start with cutting out processed crap and go from there. I lost 60 pounds just switching to fresh food.

>>42626712
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
>links blogs, westonaprice and /r/keto


is this bait? Anyhow, the organizations I mentioned have committees of expert scientists more qualified than any of the morons you linked, and they come to their guidelines based on a huge process which goes over the latest research, is it a coincidence all these organizations from all over the world are saying the same thing even though according to you it's wrong? There must be illuminati shit going on controlling all these organizations telling them to lie

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>>42625829
>>42626518
>They are the only diet shown to prevent and even reverse our #1 killer, heart disease. Even american college of cardiology straight up recommended vegan diets for optimal heart health.
>More memes and not reading
>>42626450
>illl stick to what WHO, harvard medicine, american college of cardiology and many other top organizations have to say(to limit animal fats),thanks.
So you'll stick to garbage science, unsupported by actual well done research and the human historical record along with organizations headed by pseudoscientists; Good to know.
>http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>https://chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ >http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>http://caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>(cont.)

>>42618912
>I like to pay more money for nice things because some people cannot control their urges

I hate Western Europeans.

>>42626806
>(cont.)
>>42626749
>is this bait?
You being a retard and refusing to read doesn'
t make good consistent science bait.
>Anyhow, the organizations I mentioned have committees of expert scientists more qualified than any of the morons you linked
If they were so expert and qualififed then they would have done their science right the first time and not have to be corrected by those "morons"
>and they come to their guidelines based on a huge process which goes over the latest research
And I just went over exactly why they didn't, at all.
>is it a coincidence all these organizations from all over the world are saying the same thing even though according to you it's wrong? There must be illuminati shit going on controlling all these organizations telling them to lie
No, just shit science no backed by any proper scientific or historical evidence

>>42620266
they should tax unhealthy people, not products

>>42618912
The Netherlands doesn't have a sugartax, there is however a tax on "sugary drinks".

t. dutch person
and source https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accijns

>>42625642
So what exactly are you saying m8

>>42627154
Still. If I want a sugary drink why should I pay extra because some fat slob fuck can't control himself?

>>42624846
>current time
>men are evil

>>42623622
Frequent long poops that aren't dense but so large in volume you feel exhausted after each drop. These happen until you are completely empty. Incredibly easy to identify when I eat gluten because this happens 100% of the time.
Dry skin
Round, malnutrition belly (continued diet of gluten)
Rosacea (also an immediate indicator, but dairy does this too for me)
Severe water retention (moon faced really quick)
Psoriasis

>>42627868
You have some seriously poor genetics if that's what you get by eating gluten.

Do the world a favor and do not contaminate the gene pool.

Thoughts on Keto? Good for a short cut or a total complete diet?

Also post your average meals in a day.

>>42627999
>4 eggs for breakfast - 320 calories 0 carbs 32g protein
>12 chicken wings for lunch - 800 calories 0 carbs 112g protein
>250g of chicken breast for dinner - 425 calories 0 carbs 67g protein
>several scoops of fiber powder so you can take a shit - 100 calories 40g carbs (fiber) 0g protein

Is good long term diet.

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>>42626806
>unsupported by actual well done research and the human historical record
Funny how the founders of the paleo movement, Cordain and Eades, agree that prehistoric humans ate a diet low in total fat and saturated fat - which also happens to be scientific consensus in anthropology. Ketards are apparently unaware that most wild animals are lean as fuck and not all animal fat is highly saturated like the animals we eat today. In fact animals during the ice age were much more likely to store polyunsaturated fat because it stays liquid at low temperatures.

>>42627999
A good way to kill your performance and health

>>42619335
Hahahaha here in America, a lot of fat people get food stamps.... Things bought with food stamps... Are... Wait for it... TAX EXEMPT *gasps* the fatties can't be stopped. I think you should have to have a yearly physical, the results of which effect your own, your personal, you by yourself, your health insurance premium and taxes

>>42627971
You aren't going to further your genetics by trying to prevent other people from breeding. Communication is too accessible in first world countries for eugenics to be successful. You should think a bit more and feel a bit less.
If you actually care about the genetic condition of your society then perhaps you should look into the drastic abuse of unnecessary medicine that's prolonging the lives of failed offspring and funneling trillions of dollars to the government and off shore banks.

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>>42628321
t. pic related

>>42626361
Alright.
Brb gotta eat my food containing concentrated poison and nanoparticles.

>>42620657
Because smoke floats around a makes people cough... Oh no think of the children, ids ebil

But when those same fat liberals stuff their poor innocent children full of unhealthy food. No one bats an eye. There's nothing that breaks my heart more than to see chubby kids with fat parents. DO SOMETHING YOU MORON YOU'RE RUINING YOUR KIDS FUTURE

>>42626290
Not them, how much vitamin D do you get from like an hour in strong sunlight? Genuine question

>>42623216
well put, fuck this site

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>>42628369
Ok lad

>>42628159
>Funny how the founders of the paleo movement, Cordain and Eades, agree that prehistoric humans ate a diet low in total fat and saturated fat
>Cordain
That's from the 80's/90's and clearly outdated. Cordain also debated Campbell in a far more current work where he linked to numerous studies backing his admittedly held position in support of animal protein and our ancestors eating more of it, so he's clearly changed his mind And even if he or Eades did still agree on your above statement, it's wrong.
>https://www.catalystathletics.com/articles/downloads/proteinDebate.pdf
>which also happens to be scientific consensus in anthropology.
It most certainly isn't.
>http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
>https://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html
>https://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html
>People who read books know a fact that vegetarians do not- that at one point in history, the Earth's total population of humans dropped to between 5,000 and 10,000 individuals, due to the eruption of Mt. Toba in Sumatra, which killed off most of the available plant and animal life on Earth in 71,000 BC. During this period of time, humans were confined to an
>extraordinarily small area of Africa that escaped glaciation, where they subsisted on a diet that was "approximately 50-70% meat and 50-30% plants, respectively." This diet was necessitated by the die-off of plants and animals, and the lack of a varied diet that could have been otherwise obtained though plant gathering. It was at this time that the Neanderthal diet came to consist of naught but meat, due to the complete lack of availability of edible vegetation, which likely lasted for at least 1000 years.(Plants/climate)
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html?zx=19c1d9e7ae7f06a5