When will the lifting meme end? When will the fitness movement

Most countries where body positivity is promoted, it favors women. I would expect that a similar proportion of men will still go to the gym or try to be fit.

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>>42579704
People are just trying to look for meaning in this drab world because of their lack of religion and connection to the universe (God) so they seek it in frivolous things such as identity politics, lifting 7 days a week, joining certain fandoms (GoT, Harry Potter, Steven Universe, etc.) because this makes them feel powerful or strong; however, because of their nihilistic, materialistic world view, this limits them from ever finding that true meaning and fulfillment. But, be not worried! Science will save us, right? Wrong. Half of the lovers of "science" have never read a scientific paper in their lives. Ask your average environmentalist-hippiefag who their favorite climate researcher is. If they answer Bill Nye, congrats, you found yet another 103 IQ person in this world who fell victim to ideology and the cult of personality of their immediate social group.

You're right, nothing lasts forever. But, we can find ourselves through self-reflection, becoming closer to God through your flavor of Protestantism, and reconnecting with who we are as men in the world. That being said, there's nothing wrong with roiding, lifting often, obsessing over fitness, etc. My point is that people lack meaning in their lives since society because materialist, irreligious, and obsessive over the "truth" of science despite having asymmetric information about how the universe operates.
>inb4 anti-science
I'm not. I'm just making a point about how scientifically illiterate the average retard is despite putting all his faith in it despite never having read a single research paper in his life which does nothing more than reinforce his nihilism, materialism, and lack of meaning in this world. All these things force people into finding meaning and acceptance in things and people that do not matter. The only thing that matters is your relationship to God, putting your faith in Him, and living life as a good Christian. This is what fills the void. Memes, culture, fads, etc. all fade.

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>>42579782
>good christian
>protestant

>>42579704
>would of

Stopped reading RIGHT there.

>>42579815
Catholicism is a cult and requires no individual commitment nor does it offer any real personal relation to God.

>"father I did x, y, z sins and killed me dog for lulz"
>"just say 10 hail mary's anon"
>"k thx"
Protestantism requires integrity. That is, being a good boy when no one is looking.

It seems to me that there are more and more girls going to the gym to get a ass.

Too bad majority of them always date dyels.

>>42579782
Can god make a weight that he himself could not squat?

>>42579704
>15 years ago no-one would of probabaly gone to the gym
Mass media influenced fad. It will deflate the same as your muscles when you hit 45

>>42579782
We're never going back to old religions. They'll continue to exist but they will never dominate the culture again.

To find future religions, look for small cabals that are considering the effects and solutions to problems that we will face in the future. Immortality, universal basic income, an economy that doesn't need 80pc of humans to run.

These are the questions of the 21st century. They cannot be answered by texts two millenia distant and philosophers of the enlightenment.

>>42579841
Nice one holy apostolic church that the Holy Spirit won't ever abandon you fucking heathen

Gym is only a fad at the moment for gamers/ex-gamers.
For the rest of society it is as it has always been.

>>42580002
Dunno man with the rise of Islam we might all be heading back to the dark ages.

>>42579819
This, I would have kept reading otherwise

>>42579704

Piss off, faggot. Nobody forces you to lift, why are you coming here?

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>>42579782

>>42580012
explain

The fitness industry operates on roughly 20-year cycles, often associated with the socioeconomic state at the time (at least in America).

Bodybuilding really took off in the 50's, and those guys went onto be in movies and stopped training so hard. The early 60's brought us JFK's fitness standards for school, but that wasn't exactly a large promotion on gym time. It was a quiet scene until the late 70's when Arnold got some notoriety and he went onto movies, which led to the fitness trends through the 80's (which ended in the early-mid 90's). At the start of this decade came the resurgence, but some social standard will knock it off course again (I think it's on it's way out now, with the rise of ironic millennial culture desu), and we'll see yet another boom in the 2030's

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>>42579704
fuggin saged. could the bait be any more obvious?

and you all are retards for replying to this shit thread.

>>42579704
>coming years?

Stopped reading there

>>42581422
Not him but i guess it's because of social media and streaming kept showing people how they looked like and realizing they have to "try" and do something about it. Viewer or streamer alike.

I still game alot but i stopped lifting nearly 10 years ago and i'm picking up again because my dad was awefully sick thanks to our lazy family tradition it hit me one day. l'm trying to do something about this weight gain since i stopped lifting. I got no excuse, my addiction of gaming on freetime is the cause of this for me.

>>42579952
yes

He can also squat that weight

>>42579841
>protestantism
>integrity
Keep in mind that your meme religion only exists because a fat fuck priest wanted some pussy

>>42579782
Truth. Without Jesus, everything is meaningless and vain. The mortality rate is holding steady at 100% so none of us are getting out of this life alive whether we choose a life of ease or a life filled with physical challenges. God gives purpose and meaning. Sort yourself out with God first and then hit the gym and "tend the garden" of the body that He has created for you.

>>42581407

"But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, and with his wife's knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land?

While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal?

Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.” Acts 5:1-4 | ESV

>> inb4 God opposes personal ownership of property and compels us to sell our possessions and give to the church.

>>42579704
Nah, not really, its not gonna end. It was around and has been very popular since the fucking 50s, in 70s bodybuilding just exploded with arnolds huge popularity. And it is still alive to this day.
>. Women seem to be shying away from the gym these days in favour of body positivity allowing them to get fat and still feel proud.
Thats fucking degenerate and unhealthy. Not doing shit to keep your body healthy and strong is retarded.

What i will say tho, is that bodybuilding is in a pretty fucked degenerate state right now, so it might either die out or become even more niche and something else takes off. But its not gonna die, its just gonna change and take a new form. People are still gonna be lifting even 40 years down the line most likely.

>>42581407
This, "Jesus was a commie," meme is often spouted, unironically, by people who aren't fucking Christians to begin with kek.

>>42580002
Economic questions have nothing to do with spirituality. Immortality, at least for now, is a fantasy right now. Most people cannot even control their basic caloric intake and outright refuse to exercise. Hasn't it been estimated that the majority of medical issues, like 70%+, could have been avoided with a better diet and exercise? People are more interested in immediate, reactionary results than making proactive lifestyle choices. Even if those same people were immortal, they'd probably end up killing themselves because they are so useless and lack meaning anyways.

>>42579704
So you're just going to completely ignore crossfit, soulcycle, and the plethora of other fitshit booming right now? I realize OP is bait, but fitness will not die out. A lot of people see body positivity fatasses for what they are. They preach being accepting of oneself and dye their hair all sorts of whack colors, get tattoos and piercings in the same breath. It's all a fucking sham. Every decision anyone makes lies somewhere on the Cartesian coordinate plane with axes of 'effort required' and 'pleasure resulting'. Changing your body is no different than any other aesthetic alteration you make to yourself. It just requires diet and consistent work. People will always be interested in it. Not to mention, health benefits.

>>42579704
You, a moron:
>15 years ago no-one would of [sic] probabaly gone to the gym
Me, an intellectual and fitness historian:
>2000 was truly the golden age of bodybuilding

>>42582033
>>42581765
>>42581407
Distributism is the only moral economic system, and if you disagree you're wrong

>>42579704
Well with the rise of social media and fractionalized culture, I doubt any movement will ever end. But in short, most movements die out when there's no money to be made, with the exception of a few die-hard holdouts. The fitness industry as a whole is a giant cashcow where anyone with a decent body fat percentage and a cursory knowledge of diet and nutrition can make a quick buck, so its not going away any time soon.

>>42582230
Is it still a moral thing when you are forced to do it at gunpoint rather than through your own personal decision?

>>42582220
I was talking about harcore bodybuilding dickminj, more just generally going to the gym and lifting weights as a way of lifestyle.

La Vey Satanism is the only sensible religion.

>>42582277
Obviously not - the issue of Distributism has always been that is serves as an ideal, and has no easy way to be put into place. It was really bit in the church about a century ago though.

>>42579782
God doesn't exist because you can't see him. Logic breh.

>>42579704
Sauce?

>>42582230
There are some good points in distributism, but it would never function properly irl.

>>42580002
>We're never going back to old religions.
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/the-myth-of-the-secular-part-1-1.3135538

Fuck off tripshit, you have no idea what you are talking about.

>>42582203
>So you're just going to completely ignore crossfit, soulcycle, and the plethora of other fitshit booming right now?

This is /fit/. The only thing we care about is lmao2pl8, any other kind of exercise doesn't exist.

>>42582203
I disagree. Obesity is rising. If fitness and a healthy lifestyle was on the up then obesity rates would he dropping. Gyms will become a thing of the past in the next few years as people are becoming a lot more mentally unstable.

fitness is dying off this yr
my gym is barely pack anymore

>>42581505
It wasn't against the rules for Catholic priests to get married and have families until the counter reformation, hundreds of years after the reformation, brainlet.

>>42582230
Eh, the actual policies of distributists were abolishing of banks, small business and antitrust laws. The thing is that it provides an ideal where everyone owns "three acres and a cow" and doesnt really give a model about how one would achieve that in practice. If you start out with a system where families own certain amount of land and means of productions and just allow those people to use their property however the fuck they want, inevitably the market forces will start to come into play and certain people will start
>>42582773
>Obesity is rising. If fitness and a healthy lifestyle was on the up then obesity rates would he dropping
That will just make the demand for the fitness industry greater as more and more people become obese. Its far easier to sell this shit to fat lazy retard with a lot of money and no willpower to just work. This is why fitness industry is the way it is now. It wouldnt be nearly as big if it was just access to strength training equipment and coaching to people who have need/interest to train for strength. Of course there are still no bullshit gyms like that, but most commercial gyms dont really operate like that anymore, neither do crossfit gyms. Those fat, depressed and emotionally insecure people are the target demographic for the fitness industry

>>42582277
>Believing in Libertarianism
How does it feel to be a walking, breathing meme?

>>42579704
>Women seem to be shying away from the gym these days in favour of body positivity allowing them to get fat and still feel proud
85% of all women are below average.

>>42583105
>85% of all women are below average.
>85% of women below average
>85% below average
>85%
Take my you

>>42583053
Libertarians don't have morals kek. So you're obviously fucking retarded. They're unironically cool with the philosophy, "You do you, I'll do me." Morality just magically appears all of a sudden when you step on snek.

>>42579782
being religious is so dishonest.

my life is so much more fulfilling knowing that i actually have something to lose and that i wont go to some fake fairy hippy realm when i die

>>42579704
5-10 years until gymcels reach their limit. They'll realize their life stayed the same and will stop shilling.

The next big thing is surgery and looksmaxing in general. Mewing, carrotceling, skincareceling...

>>42583308
>"You do you, I'll do me"
>"go on hitler, have your ways with the jews, nothing off my back. You do you, I'll do me"
>"go on Pol Pot, do your own thing. You do you, I'll do me."
>"Disabled child with no access to healthcare and no job prospects? You'll be alright, just try harder. You do you, I'll do me"
>"urban schools are underperforming and their kids are falling into lives of crime? Its the governments fault, take away regulation and everything will be alright. You do you, I'll do me"

Libertarianism is the biggest meme on the planet. Doesn't matter whether they are unironically cool with the philosophy or ironically cool with it. They are still morons.

>>42579704
>15 years ago no-one would of probabaly gone to the gym.
Doubt.

>>42583121
That could be true depending on his assumption of the underlying diatribution of hotness rating
Median only equals the mean for certain probabilistic distributions, normal distribution being a big example

>>42583690
Why are you saying libertarians would be isolationist?

>disabled children
As if truely disabled people are actually the people on wellfare. Like 75% of "disabled" people have back issues. And the majority of them would be alleviated with weight loss.

You are just dressing up your fatty fetish in disabled child clothing. Or it is the same pro-abortion argument. Same hypothetical single mother through no fault of her own, working 2 minimum wage jobs through no fault of her own, with no access to healthcare through no fault of her own.

Also what is charity?

>urban schools ran by the government are failing.
>Lets keep doing that and see if it changes.
Most libertarians would be pro-voucher system, which gets the free market into education. Nothing to do with regulation, though most would probably want to do away with standardized testing and such.

>>42579895
Pfft, I wish.

t. Dyel

FAGGOTS BEGONE WITH THE RETARDED RELIGION SPEAK

>>42583105

>how do averages work

If everyone in this thread were in a room with Warren Buffet, >99% of the people in the room would have below average net worth

>>42583849

Wrong person >>42583121

>>42583778
>Why are you saying libertarians would be isolationist?

I'm not saying libertarians are all isolationist, I'm saying the "You do you, I'll do me" philosophy is inherently isolationist.

>Like 75% of "disabled" people have back issues.

Nice statistic you got there, are there any more made up numbers up your arse, or is that the only one you could pull out.

>What is charity?

something that doesn't raise enough money to help to less priveleged.

>Most libertarians would be pro-voucher system, which gets the free market into education.

The countries with the best K-12 education systems are all socialised. Finland, switzerland, belgium, singapore. All heavily regulated and better than yours

>>42583849
>>42583857
He didn't say in a room, he say all women, women as a collective across the world

>>42582230

If you are not using Christianity as your standard for what is "moral" then you are the one that is wrong. Jesus never established any economic system other than the principle to "give unto Cesar the things which are Cesar's and unto God the things which are God's"

The first century CHURCH, not government, shared assets and had all things in common, but the verse I quoted above clearly shows it was voluntary, not by compulsion.

>>42579952
Yes, but he would still be able to diddly it, though, neighborino.

>>42583334

A life without goals or purpose is no life at all. Are you saying that knowing that regardless of your choices, you are terminal and will be forgotten in a few years gives you a more fulfilling existence? That you are more fulfilled in the bliss of being a dead man walking??

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. John 11:25-26 | ESV

>>42579704
>Nothing lasts forever, 15 years ago no-one would of probabaly gone to the gym.
Keep telling yourself that you fat fuck
My dad used to go to the gym 25 years ago and had bodybuilder friends.

>>42583919
>inherently isolationist.
not really, if what I want to do is free trade.

>Nice statistic
Nice way to avoid the point completely. I'll retract the claim.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3198028/
Over 50% of people on disability are obese.

>less priveleged.
Has nothing to do with privileged. It is about helping people in need. How did you go from helping a disabled child to social justice.

>The countries with the best K-12 education systems are all socialised.
The US's K-12 education system is socialized. What the fuck are you talking about?

And I don't think comparing incredibly racial hegemonic countries to the US, is very convincing. If a huge % of your inner cities were filled with blacks, those schools would be failing as well.

>>42583121
He meant that 85% of women are below 6/10
It's true too
Best girls are from 17-25
Subtract the old ones
Subtract the fat ones
You will get around 20% of total females who look ok

>>42584108

>over 50% of people on disability are obese.
Doesn't mean the are disabled because they are obese. Just means they are obese and disabled. This is not reason enough to spite the rest of the disabled out of their disability benefits.

>How did you do from helping a disabled child to social justice.
I'm not talking about racial or sexual privelage. You've been reading too many anti-SJW blogs and don't understand what the word privileged means anymore. less privileged = people in need. people with less money and less opportunities. It has everything to do with privilege.

>Racially hegemonic countries
Singapore and belgium are not racially hegemonic. Still able to provide world class k-12 education. Whats your excuse? The blacks? go back to /pol/

>If what i want to do is free trade
If all you care about is free trade, if you place the value of free trade over the wellbeing of those abroad (hence the hitler and pol pot analogies) then i find your ideology repugnant

>>42584204
>This is not reason enough to spite the rest of the disabled out of their disability benefits.
I do not want money to go to people that choose to be disabled. I money to go to people that have no choice. If you are obese, you choose that life, and considering obesity is a major risk factor for damn near all disease, it is hard to argue they have not done it to themselves.

>less privileged = people in need
not true.

I am less privileged than Bill Gates, but I am not in need.

>wellbeing of those abroad
What is a government's obligation to people whom are not their citizens?

>>42584306
>I do not want money to go to people that choose to be disabled. I money to go to people that have no choice.
so you agree that you want money to go to those that have no choice? So you agree in an efficient welfare system that cuts out the leaches? Thats not libertarianism mate. You don't want to get rid of the welfare system, you want to improve on it.

>I am less priveleged than bill gate, but I am not in need.
I didn't say 'less priveleged than me' or 'less priveleged than you' I said the less priveleged, its a synonym for the underpriveleged. Look up the definition, is english your second language?

>What is a governments obligation to people whom are not their citizens.
So you would have let hitler massacre the jews, so long as he let you trade freely with him? Is that really what the libertarians believe in? If so, libertarianism is the antithesis to western values.

This thread has become a /pol/ thread.

>>42579841
>ignores orthodoxy
Also, not really fitness related.

>>42579782
God is a mythical creation spurred by human imagination and the mystery of our origin. There are better things to devote your time to than the belief in a non existent being in order to give your life purpose. E.g. become a philanthropist or give your time to the sick or weak.

>>42581490
So he can't make a weight he would be unable to squat?
Inability is all equal.

>>42579952
Yes. Does that make him all powerful? In the creation of such a magnitude, does it not?

>>42584440
>Thats not libertarianism mate
Who said I was libertarian?

> I said the less priveleged, its a synonym for the underpriveleged.
No you said, less privileged = people in need, then said
>people with less money and less opportunities
which applies to all people all along the economic spectrum, save for people like Musk, Bezos, or Gates

But that is irrelevant. Define underprivileged. What is the perceptible standard, and why do others have the responsibility to provide it. Additionally how are you going to ensure that in providing this standard you are not disincentivizing success, as our current welfare and EIC does now. As the more you succeed your benefits are taken way.

>War crimes are valid examples.
I asked you what obligation does a country have to another citizenry.
>so long as he let you trade freely with him
Well no, trade would be a way you could "punish" another country without direct military involvement. Which is actually exactly what the US did, through the first years of the war. We stopped trading with germany and japan and we gave a shit load to the other Allies. And we kept atlantic trade flowing freely, as the US Navy was actually engaged with german U-boats long before we entered the war.

But using genocide to prove your point is a little extreme.

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>>42579841
Remember anon its a sin to bear false witness. This does not represent at all the Catholic belief so you are either ignorant about the faith and shouldn't speak or you are being willfully sinful. Hope it's not the latter! Have a great day brother

>>42580002
Have you ever picked up a book? Somehow the vast majority of philosophy has remained relevant for the past 2000 years and no amount of technology seems remotely close to explaining it "away" yet.

Philosophy becomes science once it has been empirically proven. It becomes mathematics once it is logically proven.

>>42582033
Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature

>>42585240

>Who said i was libertarian?
This whole argument has been about libertarianism, or are you going to all of a sudden pretend its about something else? Thats pretty disingenuous.

>Define underprivileged
look up the definition yourself, its a fairly simple word. Don't pretend its some sort of 'vague meaningless term'. underprivileged = people in need = people with less opportunities. Do you not understand that all of these things mean the same thing? Im talking about poor people for christs sake. Just cause your less rich than bill gates doesnt make you underprivileged. By providing this standard you may well disincentivize success. But i suppose thats a price im willing to pay to give dying poor people access to healthcare, food and education.

>Implying war crimes are not valid examples.
Whats the point in learning history if youre not going to take its lessons seriously. War crimes happen all the time, yet people like you see them as 'unfair debate tactics'. Its unfair because it destroys your "You do you, I'll do me" philosophy. Try telling all the victims of genocide that their deaths aren't a fair debate tactic.

>>42585209
Why? If there is there is no God, why be kind at all lol. There's literally no reason to help others and not simply seek maximum utility and personal gain if there is no God. God is who gave man the rules to live by, not other men.

>>42579704

Never.

No seriously. As economies stagnate you witness Males start to compete in strength and beauty contests. Look at Japan, Korea & Russia. Anyone who is middle class and has a hope at getting pussy lifts and trains martial arts like they NEED to win a bit-part in a Hollywood Movie.

North American society will follow suit. As working hours start to eclipse those of Japanese wage slaves, we will see anyone who is not a 7/10 with a middle class job (and no sleep) start to overcompensate and push their bodies to become a 10/10.

In turn, women will recognize their only path to procreate is to become Prostitutes, Comfort Girls (Sugar Baby's) to offset their Waitress / Hostess incomes. So they too will cycle through a "Fat Acceptance" fad, and suddenly panic when they hit 25 to 35 with no Male to provide for their retirement.

The best you can do is Lift and Become the Mensch you always knew you were internally, so that when the generational crunch comes, you can get your pick of the top tier pussy.

>>42579782
You fucken idiot, have you read a book? I don't need a science book to know that your christian belief is on its way out. Gods die out all the time. There's thousands of beliefs around the world claiming they know what's best. But guess what? they get thrown away by the most powerful opposition. Your chrisitian belief is nothing special from a popular meme.

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>>42585878
Never lifted weights, still fucked different white and black chicks (in Austria especially) than you.

Don't get fat, nor skinny, and don't be a sperg. And you'll be like me in this pic.

>>42585803
because if you aren't kind, it can bite you in the ass and your "maximum utility" gets hit with extreme consequences, which destroy the utility or pleasure of that action. (See nihilistic hedonism)

>>42585930

I doubt that your number is as high as mine, but good on you for fucking 4/10's & blacks. Eurotrash needs love too.

We're all going to make it and your ego needs the score card (pussy) because you lack the Pump.

>>42585930
>Don't get fat, nor skinny, and don't be a sperg. And you'll be like me in this pic.
So, fat?

>>42579704
More people are into the gym now than ever, especially lifting.

>>42585209
this is flawed too. What if i come to be a philanthropist through the inspiration or connection to that "mythical creation"?
You speak as if philanthropy is intrinsically purposeful.

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>>42585930

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Here's what OP wants.

>>42585502
>disingenuous
Jewish**

Gradually... I began to hate them.

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>>42585920
No shit it's on the way out. Look at modern western society; a clear indication that we have left God.

>Your chrisitian belief is nothing special from a popular meme.
l'edgy... back to /r/atheism

>>42585949
>because if you aren't kind, it can bite you in the ass
Nice karma meme bro.

>your "maximum utility" gets hit with extreme consequences, which destroy the utility or pleasure of that action.
Why? Do you not rationally maximize your utility with every action you do? If not, then you deserve to have your utility destroyed. Makes sense coming from a karma faggot like you.

>>42586855
well every action (the causation) has a reaction. which should be weighted in the original action to the best of possible. Of course you maximize your utility in every action, or else you're a sad sack, but if you stop thinking about the end effect of being aggressive then you can cause an action of extremely destructive utility.

EG: take a basic crime. Fuck money n shiet im just gonna steal because i'm maximizing my utility there. I keep the money (+++) and I get my property(+++). But I'm failing to see past the initial disregard. For example, the store owner can kill me, which is my own effect and is the destruction of any sort of utility in the future. As well as the future enjoyment of my possessions: the money can no longer be enjoyed or the newly stolens.

not to mention the dissolution of character and the pathologies that come with such a disregard, which isn't a net positive utility.

You didn't really say much, but I may as well try to get something more than
>muh karma faggot

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>>42585930
Lmao this fat fuck using MySpace angles and having a shit haircut. How much you spending on hookers, brah?

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reminder

>>42580012
you're missing the whole health side of it

>>42587087
>But I'm failing to see past the initial disregard. For example, the store owner can kill me, which is my own effect and is the destruction of any sort of utility in the future. As well as the future enjoyment of my possessions: the money can no longer be enjoyed or the newly stolens.
Then you're not maximizing your utility. A rational person factors in all relevant factors. Failing to consider these means you're not rationalizing the decision making process and ergo your utility because in the end you're left with nothing but Jamal cock in your ass. If, however, you factor those in and KNOW you can get away with it, then why wouldn't you do it? If there are no consequences and you have nothing but gain, then do it? A Christian wouldn't because, "Thou shalt not steal."

>>42585930
You do look fat, tho

>>42579704
It looks like she dropped her car keys or credit card down there.

>>42587299
I'm just arguing that there are reasons to be kind from your original post. kindness can be a means to further utility.

I don't disagree with you. If it was wide open, go for it damn it, and have a good time.
Just sometimes, kindness can help maximize utility, without a God. that is all i am arguing for.

>>42580002
>Universal basic income
>People who work pay for people who don't

This is absolutely fucking communism level retarded

>>42579841
>Catholicism
>cult
Cool I'll just join the Mormons who think Indians are just jews burned by god or, Jehovah's witnesses who think only 1346 people will be saved or, whatever fucking number it is or, I can be an evagalist and spend more time ripping on dudes kissing then anything else in the bible or, I can start my dumb ass own branch for the fuck of it complete with kool aid. You know, the protestant way of dealing with disagreements.

>>42585502
>This whole argument has been about libertarianism
Yes, but I can understand libertarian positions without agreeing with all of their positions.

>But i suppose thats a price im willing to pay to give dying poor people access to healthcare, food and education.
so you like keeping people permanently poor, then claiming the moral high ground.

Classy

>Its unfair because it destroys your "You do you, I'll do me" philosophy.
With whom does the western world trade with that is committing these war crimes? No one. Africa and the middle east have very very little to offer. The only thing of value in the middle east is oil, and we get that from the places that aren't permanently blowing each other up, though Saudi Arabia has gotten pretty close to that line in the past.

Your example is disingenuous, as it doesn't apply to anything relevant today. Additionally, did I not show that one could be militarily isolationist, while still putting pressure on foreign governments to clean up their acts? I believe I did.

>>42587695

>Yes, but I can understand libertarian positions without agreeing with all of their positions.
right, but i'm not criticising your special, unique ideology. I'm criticising libertarianism.

>so you like keeping people permanently poor, then claiming the moral high ground.
giving people access to socialised healthcare food and education doesn't make people permanently poor. This is evidenced by the many democratic socialist countries in europe with significantly better living conditions than america. Thats a red herring.

Classy

>With whom does the western world trade with that is committing these war crimes?
I never suggested the western world was trading with these people. I believe military interventionism is an important tool. Its not disingenuous to use a historical example, just because its not happening today. It happened in the balkans and we stepped in. It happened in cambodia and we didnt step in. Millions of innocents died. It happened in rwanda and we didn't step in. Millions of innocents died.

No you did not show that you could put enough foreign pressure to clean up their acts through trade barriers. Western powers didn't end the khmer rouge, vietnam did. Western powers didn't intervene in Rwanda, and Clinton said he regrets it because he could have cut down the death toll.

Thinking you can solve the worlds problems with nothing but trade restriction is naive. You proved nothing

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>>42579782
>>42579782
GOOD CHRISTIAN IS A FUCKING PROTESTANT HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY

Women are going to the gym more because of instagram and social media making them compete to take the best gym selfies and meal pics.

Men are going to the gym more because lifting heavy weight is one of the last remaining socially acceptable manly activities and men feel pressure to be in the top 10% looks wise to even dream of getting some pussy.

So, to answer your question, people will continue to use the gym until Shariah law inevitably takes over and thots are put in their rightful place.

>>42584046
>needing religion to have goals and purpose

damn.. religious people really are empty sad sacks of shit